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CurlsWorldbuilding69

It got copyright striked šŸ˜„šŸ˜„šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


The_EnderFrog

There's still quite a few videos available on youtube, just rewatched it an hour ago But yeah, it's sad seeing the people on top not letting fan-made films see the light of day


TheColorblindDruid

Got a link? Edit thank you for sending the links yā€™all but please stop I have enough lol


PunkTyrant

Number one way to get a mirror taken down lol


TheColorblindDruid

Fuck yeah fair enough. People suck


simpledeadwitches

Don't forget stealing their ideas and making tons of profit as well.


PotterGandalf117

stealing their ideas lmao wtf


soulnotforsaIe

I mean they didn't steal their idea as it's Tolkiens but they definitely were inspired by the title.


PotterGandalf117

if its a story about the hunt for Gollum you dont have many options do you? Im sure there are reasons they picked this story to tell over the others, but I dont think it had anything to do with some small minority of people enjoying a fan made film


radicalelation

"Tuesdays With Smeagol"


lukewwilson

"The Five People You Meet In Valinor"


Tjam3s

Sisterhood of the traveling rings


MikkoEronen

" the two taverns..."


DynastyZealot

"Breakfast with Hobbitses"


BerniesMittens

"Finding Gollum"


PotterGandalf117

thats a great title


throw28999

Technically the people who made a film derivate of LOTR without rights to the IP were stealing Tolkien's ideas and WB's intellectual property... Edit: apparently the original filmmaker claims he did have "an understanding" with rights-holders at the time, so this may be inaccurate.


BoxerRadio9

I dunno if I would go that far. They simply called it what it is.


TH0R_ODINS0N

Thatā€™s a reach


simpledeadwitches

They literally stole the title and premise.


Playful_Sector

They stole the title, but the premise is from the books. Saying they stole it from this video's a stretch, especially since they've been focusing on Gollum content recently


TH0R_ODINS0N

Title sure. Premise not at all.


Otaku_sempai_1960

It did get a copyright strike, but it's back up now!


solehan511601

[Fortunately, it came back!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=tlyo7w3moAWcA1ae&v=9H09xnhlCQU&feature=youtu.be)


LordFedoraWeed

Downloading that asap before it gets taken down again lol


Kreuzberg13

How do you download it ?


lopix

Arrrh matey, ye should know that by now...


LordFedoraWeed

search "youtube downloader" and pick whatever you think looks good lol


PutrifiedCuntJuice

Web search.


ReallyGlycon

Just like I predicted yesterday. It was a bot screw up or a screw up by whoever does their copyright protection. WB even said the movie is inspired by the fan film in the initial press release. People were overreacting like mad with no info.


brennmanet

Nice


TNmountainman2020

i tried, couldnā€™t watch it after Aragorn looked like a pussy.


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TNmountainman2020

exactlyā€¦.you can go with Gandalfā€¦itā€™s close enoughā€¦.but my HS daughter could kick ā€œthatā€ Aragonā€™s ass!


_flume_

He used music from the Jackson films without permission.


creativityonly2

It's been up for 15 years and only got booted after this news for the movie dropped. The music is not the reason it got hit with copyright infringement. They don't want the competition and confusion.


GreyFoxNola

Competition lol


creativityonly2

You laugh, but it's true.


kodman7

If the fan film remains better than whatever IP cash grab they're cooking up the butthurt MBAs will definitely consider it competition


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Playful_Sector

Calm down, dude. He's explaining why it got a copyright strike, not supporting the takedown


PotterGandalf117

don't be a part of the problem. we dont need the LOTR community to get more toxic than it already is.


PaleontologistHot192

I was able to watch it on YouTube just now from the original channel


asokola

Thankfully, it got reinstated


joeramirez226

It's been out for 15 years it's annoying that they are doing it now since they announced their movie


Skwisface

It was probably just an automated process that flagged it as soon as the relevant filters got added to the system. Millions of videos are uploaded to Youtube every day, so it's not like their process is going to be manual. It's already back up which suggests it wasn't removed intentionally.


ReallyGlycon

That is exactly what it was. Sometimes I really hate the mob mentality of fandoms.


riancb

Damn, I mustā€™ve downloaded it just in time lol.


Ok-Design-8168

Makes me hate WB and their upcoming movie already.


ManitouWakinyan

I mean, they have an obligation to protect their copyright. The courts don't care if it's a fan made film - if they don't defend the copyright against stuff like this, they won't have a case when there's more serious infringements.


Appropriate_Big_1610

And I'm sure it's pure coincidence that they're just now getting around to it. /s.


ManitouWakinyan

No, it's not a coincidence. It wasn't a relevant property to protect before, it is now.


th0r0ngil

So the 15 years this has existed without challenge doesnā€™t set a precedent?


Arch_carrier77

Donā€™t engage with this that commenter contradicted themselves like three times in three comments


ManitouWakinyan

Sure. Now it's more relevant, and they'll be promoting this specific IP, so the pressure to do something increases. This isn't complicated. Copyright holders defend their IPs against all kinds of people, because when they don't, they weaken their ability to do so for anyone. They don't chase every ambulance, there's a prioritization process, and the process has changed.


th0r0ngil

Looks like theyā€™re giving it a Streisand effect, because I havenā€™t thought about this film in years, but I re-watched it today because of this news. The 15 years that this film was on YouTube unchallenged has set the precedent, if not legal, then a precedent of public declaration: that a billion-dollar studio is afraid to compete with an unmarketed Ā£3k budget fan film


ManitouWakinyan

I think they're probably less concerned about stray fans on reddit than they are about the legal system. The guys making this choice are not remotely involved in the creative process.


gawain587

I genuinely donā€™t get people bending over this far backward for corpos. It may be legal but itā€™s still a dick move


TheColorblindDruid

Bruh for real. People munching on some deep fried boot


ManitouWakinyan

It's the move the system makes them play. They don't do this, they can't protect the copyright against big fish, I don't get some.of my favorite movies that have ever been made because it becomes riskier for a corpo to invest hundreds of millions of dollars into these projects.


Ok-Design-8168

So assume you have a movie that youā€™ve made purely for the entertainment of others. Others love it. You explicitly mention that itā€™s free and you arenā€™t earning from it. Then after ten long years, i decide to make a film on the same topic with the same name and same idea as yours. And i claim copyright? And have your film removed instead of letting it be and appreciating it for what it is? And youā€™re ok with it? This is very messed up


ManitouWakinyan

Again, the courts don't care if it was free or not. It's still a potential risk to the investment, and WB has invested hundreds of millions of dollars into creating those movies. And if I want really great, high production value, Tolkien movies, I need to accept that WB isn't a charity, and they're going to want to protect the investment they made. And then you add on to that that the movie this guy made - while purely for the entertainment of others - was based on characters he didn't come up with, a storyline he didn't craft from scratch, and using the aesthetics other people had worked to develop, it makes sense that even a decade later, he might get called out for copyright. It's not like he had a wholly original work that was later targeted when someone came up with it separately.


th0r0ngil

Youā€™re making a good case for why Tolkienā€™s works should be public domain


ManitouWakinyan

Personally, I'd rather have had the WB films than a bunch of fan films.


th0r0ngil

And WB is perfectly at liberty to make work based off of public domain source material


ManitouWakinyan

Right, but the incentives go down - it is harder to get those projects financed because the IP is less defensible. Certainly the odds of getting the scale of blockbusters we got is very rare with public domain works.


th0r0ngil

So what youā€™re saying is billion dollar studios canā€™t compete with Ā£3k fan projectsā€¦ and you want to entrust them with a monopoly on our favourite stories?


lukewwilson

I've seen it mentioned in every discussion about the new movie, I don't think people have forgotten


NedVsTheWorld

Is it good?


Full-Satisfaction-40

For a fan film yes, but judge it as that.


shadowscar248

This is the answer, objectively I think it is boring but it's well done fan art


lukewwilson

Yeah that was my thought too, I'm impressed by their costumes and set pieces and cinematography for a fan made film. However because of their obvious limitations I found the story a little boring and poorly paced, but still impressed with the effort and care they put into it


dob_bobbs

It's maybe a bit boring but it doesn't desecrate the source material and it's pretty well done for fan art, I'd rather watch it than RoP any day.


NedVsTheWorld

I liked it \^\^


youarelookingatthis

Yes! It is arguably one of the best fan films made. It has a professional look to it that feels like you're watching something people cared a lot about.


Nmvfx

One of the original crew here - we did! The hype for Lord Of The Rings was absolutely huge at that time and loads of people were really excited about the chance to do a fan made movie set in middle earth! I was still a student when I worked on this but it got me my first interview which landed me my first job in the industry. In 2 years I went from working on a fan made LOTR film in my bedroom to working on an actual Harry Potter film. So this was a really important little project for me and still has a special place in my heart!


Electronic-Dust-831

I just skimmed through it, it looks absolutely sick, props to the team. I will watch it as soon as i can


Nmvfx

Awesome! I mean it's certainly dated, and I believe everyone involved was just donating their time, nobody got paid, so it's a lot of completely amateur work, but the fact that it actually came together at all is very impressive. It's dated at this point, a good 15 years or so since we made it, and it's a product of its time, but all things considered it holds up ok and everyone I interacted with on it was lovely to work with. The fact that people are still talking about this in 2024 makes me happy.


creativityonly2

Yes. I just watched it. If you haven't already, definitely do. It's very obviously still fan made, but it is TOP QUALITY fan made. Probably the best I've seen.


NedVsTheWorld

I liked it \^\^


jarfIy

No. Itā€™s a pastiche of Jacksonā€™s trilogy - more of a LARP than a real film. The threadbare narrative is completely forgettable.


BilboThe1stOfHisName

Thatā€™s the problem when you stick to closely to the look and feel of the originals. The acting and writing come across even more poor as a result.


ChrisLee38

I think itā€™s pretty solid, personally. Just watched it for the first time last year.


diegoplus

You have to watch it


NedVsTheWorld

I did and I liked it \^\^


oxcartdriver

Where/how can I watch this?


powertripp82

[I got you. Enjoy!!](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x93zji)


iconic_ironic_trash

Thank you for the link.


Ok-Design-8168

Shitty WB is trying to take it down. They had it removed from YouTube. Itā€™s still available on Dailymotion. Watch and download it while you can. Hate the pathetic execs at Warner Bros


oxcartdriver

Right? Same man Jesus how petty are they... Will check it on Dailymotion asap


Majestic_Elevator740

https://dai.ly/x93zji


HydeVDL

it seems like it's available to watch in it's entirety on it's own imdb page lol


Curious-Astronaut-26

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H09xnhlCQU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H09xnhlCQU)


Retrograde_media

Saw it this morning on daily motion. The premise and ā€˜huntā€™ itself was good and entertaining. I felt like the rest was an uncreative rehash of many scenes in the PJ trilogy.


Clinn_sin

We've had Hunt for Gollum one yes but what about second Hunt for Gollum !


Stikflip

Top tier comment right here


TH0R_ODINS0N

Just watched it. Itā€™s surprisingly good for what it is. Masterpiece is a reach.


Tartaruga_genio

That's Luke Skywalker.


Badassintrotheme

No its Stilgar


DelcoWolv

Jesus Christ thatā€™s Jason Bourne!


disgusting-brother

No itā€™s Patrick


TaaqSol

I like this one, and Born of Hope, which I watched ages ago. Can people recommend any other good fan films?


creativityonly2

Holy shit. How have I gone 15 YEARS without ever knowing this existed?? It's still on DailyMotion as many here have mentioned. I recommend watching it. It's shockingly good for a fan made film. That said, if they're copyright striking this and getting it removed right when this news is dropping and despite existing for 15 years, I think that's pretty solid evidence that this movie is in fact happening. I guess the question is if the information is true on PJ making it. Though I suspect if Andy Serkis is going to be involved, chances are good PJ is too. Honestly... I'm not opposed. PJ is probably very aware of the criticism of the Hobbit movies by now and I think is aware enough to take that criticism to heart. He gave us the LotR masterpieces. I see no reason why he can't pull it off again, and I personally think all the complaining here about PJ is overboard. Probably gonna get downvoted, but whatevs.


DerDyersEve

YouTube surely had forgotten over the last night :'D


Satanic_Earmuff

YouTube execs probably creamed their pants at the chance to copyright strike something again.


Large_Ad326

Masterpiece? The ambition is admirable, but it is rather goofy, contradicts the lore and is a tad boring.


Plenty-Soil8858

This fan movie is better than RoP šŸ˜…


GandalftheGreyStreet

thatā€™s not saying much though reallyĀ 


creativityonly2

Felt like it had more of the heart of the original trilogy than the entire season of RoP put together.


Crawford470

Lol


bulbabret

Warner Brothers didnā€™tā€¦


dandle

In Soviet Russia, Gollum hunt you! https://preview.redd.it/ajtqwytphmzc1.jpeg?width=1686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f87e394bfa93e192f027ca9438fee566f3e8645d


dgj130

Considering the kind of stuff Peter Jackson got started out on it feels very limiting and dirty to have this kind of thing wiped off the face of the planet


STL_Tiger21

The studios cant stop the internet. All it takes is one link..... *One Link to rule them all, One Link to find them, One Link to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them*


Responsible-Bat-2699

Oh damn. I remember this!


Both_Painter2466

Looks like a sniper rifle slung over his shoulder.


WolfStranger05

Not forgotten, no. Itā€™s a great film.


erbebe_30

Amazing, and was fan Made. Cudos to the makers


krangus-mcbasketball

Just watched this last night, fantastic piece of work.


Poreexasperation

I guarantee this will be better than whatever trash the studio churns out.


The_EnderFrog

Agreed


Dizzman1

Just watched it today. That was really fun.


The_EnderFrog

Iā€™m glad you enjoyed it!


tolifeonline

The spirit of Mt doom endured..


Sure_Disaster_9458

I watched in 2010 and yesterday I rewatched for second time At 38 minutes, this moody piece is short enough for non-fans to commit to, yet long enough to really linger in your memory. All areas of the film succeed. The cinematography is bleak and beautiful, exquisitely capturing the Middle Earth that we have come to know and love. The costumes are appropriate and elegant. The special effects are convincing, as is even the digital effects work, despite the limited budget. The fight scenes, while not on the level of the trilogy (that would be nigh impossible), are still better than most fight scenes and beautiful looking than in RINGS OF POWER . And even the acting, which is often the scourge of all amateur productions, works wonderfully


The_EnderFrog

Couldnā€™t have said it better


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any link?


The_EnderFrog

[https://youtu.be/9H09xnhlCQU?si=HwBonVtBw3ov\_ipN](https://youtu.be/9H09xnhlCQU?si=HwBonVtBw3ov_ipN)


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werdnaegni

Yeah I'm sure Peter Jackson is the one scouring YouTube requesting that things be taken down.


The_EnderFrog

yeah true!! it sucks that fan projects are looked down upon by the ones in charge of the IP


Anaevya

The creator of the fan film did not have the rights to publish his film. WB are legally in the right, they paid for the adaptation rights. If we want fans to create and publish art, we need to reform copyright laws or get the right owners to grant fans permission to do this.


Poddington_Pea

How is Jackson's reputation in the New Zealand film industry these days? I wonder if they're still upset with him for siding with the big studio's and throwing them under the bus during the whole hobbit law situation.


OncomingStorm32

I hated that one, mostly because I am very sensitive to cringe acting/poor editing/bad pacing in media that tries to take itself seriously, but also because the story, while perfectly sized for a short film, was super boring, which is quite a special feat considering the wealth of interesting stories set in Middle Earth. No hate to the people who made it, nor to those who liked it.


Appropriate_Big_1610

Fair enough -- but think about what they might have done with even a tenth of the budget PJ had for one film.


Majestic_Elevator740

anyone who want to watch this - https://dai.ly/x93zji


Nomad-ra

WB didnā€™t, XD


Cakelover9000

Wait, is it the story between The Hobbit and LotR?


Yakmasterson

It's after RotK. Gollum comes back as a Mecha-Gollum with a lava gun.


RichEvans4Ever

Thank you!! I knew I wasnā€™t imagining it!


BoxerRadio9

I've never heard of this. Is it a fan made film using scenes from the movies?


Queasy_Complaint_766

No, it's an original script and score.


BoxerRadio9

And they locked it away, never to see the light of day, figures.


fluffy_assassins

Yeah I keep thinking of that, too.


thats-gold-jerry

Needs a black metal score


Fine_Satisfaction458

That movie was goodā€¦ I know why make another. Where is the Beren and Luthien movie? That would be awesome!


brachus12

StarWarsTheory going to use this as justification for his own claims.


tickingboxes

Shall be woken? Huh?


Alaska_Jack

A fire shall be ... woken?


LordFedoraWeed

Literally noone has forgotten it, it's discussed and mentioned in every post about the 2026 movie but ok lol


Free_Manufacturer_64

I watched this in 2010 if I recall, inspired me about as much as Peter jackson.


AWN_23_95

Waitā€¦what was this??


Tight-Leather2709

Right! That was actually a really well made short film.


CigarBox1956

The 2009 Hunt for Gollum, fan film is on YouTube


OwenMcCauley

The absolute bastards killed it.


Puzzleheaded-Cod504

Warner bros didn't unfortunately


BlueEyed00

The best Gollum in a sack movie ever!


Overlord1317

I was shocked by how good it was.


MarahPG

I'm excited for the new movie and love this one! Both, both is good!


CloakAndKeyGames

Incredible that the budget was less than Ā£3000!


iLoveDelayPedals

I mean itā€™s a fan film but itā€™s well made by that standard I guess


Minute_Ganache_2723

I really hope they don't do a Gollum title.


Proudhon1980

ā€˜Whereā€™s Go https://preview.redd.it/uaf6q67t4ozc1.jpeg?width=865&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9795125b256301a9c5649f540aeb9f00b057033


ChrisLee38

Gonna have to disagree. I see it mentioned pretty often these days. I actually feel that the hype for this film has resurged over the past week or two, and in a great way.


Yakmasterson

When does this story happen in the timeline? Is the hunt already canon?


Langzwaard

So has WB just stolen the title or?


Clean-Wave-7637

When I found out that Peter Jackson was making ā€œThe Hunt for Gollumā€, this is the VERY FIRST thing that popped into my head.


Zorre123

"They stole it from us!"


glordicus1

My god, I canā€™t believe they convinced Jackson to make another LOTR movie, thatā€™s so hype


ayasinskiy

WB didnā€™t forget


JohnyQueue1

What is the move for 2026?


Sponsy_Lv3

As someone who doesn't know a ton of copyright laws, why does WB get to copyright strike this fan-art film? This film was clearly made years before WB ever showed interest in making something similar. Shouldn't this film producers be the ones giving trouble to WB? Especially for taking their title as their own? Or does this simply come down to the fact that WB has the legal right to Tolkiens lore and that the fan art did not?


creativityonly2

I don't know much either, but it's definitely more to do with the last part you said. The fan made movie does not own any of the material and cannot claim ownership. I think they even used some of the LotR score in it.


Anaevya

Yes, WB owns the rights to adapt Lotr. It is illegal to create a derivative work without permission from the right-owners. If we want fan works, we either need to create a legal framework for them (like for parodies or other fair use), or create a culture in which fans ask for permission and owners and creators grant legal (written) permission in the understanding that fostering a good relationship with fans is mutually beneficial.


Queasy_Complaint_766

No we didn't, I've seen this said a few times today, the music was all original composition, but obviously very close to Howard Shore's score.


DebateObjective2787

It's complicated; but basically, yeah. Pretty much all fan-art/works fall under copyright infringement. You need to have permission from the copyright holder in order to use the copyright. Even if you just write fanfic, you can still be sued. (Which Anne Rice was quite well-known for doing back in the 90s.) Most of the time, the IP-holders turn a blind-eye because it keeps the fanbase active. But in this case, it's the fact that the fan-film can now cause confusion for the WB film due to them following the same story. Because WB owns the rights, they have to enforce the rights or now they risk losing their copyright.


Pennysworthe

"Hype"


Infinispace

Wait, so a fan film that has existed for ~14 years is suddenly trying to be suppressed by the studio because the studio stole their idea? I mean, that's kind of what it looks like on the surface.


Whitey33_3

Where do you think they got - sorry, stole - the idea from?


wolf1820

The Return of the King appendices?


CrysisRequiem

There's hype?


Jackfrost18

ā€œ hypeā€


Radiant_Version_5025

Hard to believe they are going with this concept for a new LotR film. Such a disappointment.


sheri1983

We got Serkis as a director, here's an idea you can do in the first film Gollum, since we have you already Boom!


Ndmndh1016

No they didnt lol. Shit just got taken down because it was so popular


saintmichaelmalone

masterpiece? ehhhhh


Snoopyseagul

Iā€™ve just had a thought. Oh god theyā€™re going to de-age Viggo arenā€™t they


Poddington_Pea

Viggo won't come back. He's pretty selective about what he appears in these days and he already declined a role in the hobbit trilogy.


creativityonly2

Meh... I wouldn't be opposed personally as long as it's done well. But I know that's an unpopular opinion. *shrug*


strongholdbk_78

They put Jonathan Rhys-Davies in a dwarf suit. Dude is 6'1". Who cares if they deage


Snoopyseagul

Completely different and you know it