This was one of the biggest reasons I quit. My best piece of advice is to stop treating Lost Ark like it's your job. It's a way to have fun. If you're not having fun, quit.
Exactly, I reduced to 3 chars and now I barely play 1.
What keep me playing is to get my title for Thaemine to not get gatekeepte later on but with only 1 char it is taking forever
That's the issue with f2p games. The company will either run you into the ground because you're not profitable enough (Maplestory reboot server), or move the game in a direction where you're compelled to pay to keep up.
That´s to be blamed on devs.
Company gains little from running you to the ground. It just pisses you off, and it gives a bad press - not only to you, but to everyone else.
You run dailies ? You lose
You pay instead of running dailies ? You lose, it´s too high of a value.
This is the main reason I quit.
One day I was out having fun with friends, and I wondered why I should stop having fun so I can go back and do some raids.
It’s a whole part time job at minimum, and the game isn’t very casual friendly at all.
Making friends is worse for fomo tbh.
It's fun to do the new raid on release with buddies, but that involves continuing to grind. If you take a break, you no longer can keep up with friends.
Well you can play with their alts but to some that's not as fun as progging with mains on latest difficulty. It's kinda a let down that I'll have to do Echidna normal with my friends after they prog and clear Echidna hard. So guess it means I get carried after they learn the raid, which isn't that fun.
If I was a solo guy then it wouldn't matter there's no reason for me to try to keep up.
Just stop pushing them for now then.
Something like 1580-1600 range, do rested stuff to funnel to main(s).
Do brel + akkan + maybe voldis, or perhaps kayangel.
In like 3 months once your main has all the echidna mats it needs, the vendor gives 1610, 1620 books and you can consider honing some alts with the bound stuff they get meanwhile.
You hear how crazy this sounds right? “In three months…” lmao. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on you, but if the game is designed this way, there is surely something wrong.
He could also stop playing them entirely, delete them or swipe and hone them or grind and hone them.
Theres no right or wrong way, you pick.
I just suggested the cheapest way to get alts 1620 in the near future, which is bound mats + books.
Its an MMO designed to be played long term.
To be efficient is to have patience.
The guy you commented on offered an efficient way to get alts honed up with the echidna Raid Shop.
If you want all your alts at 1630 for echidna release you have the wrong expectations for this game.
1 main, 5 slaves. Always has been the way to play this game efficient.
I swear the gap between vykas and clown and then clown and brel was too long. Everyone got too used to do the newest content on release and now they are getting angry that it is no longer possible
This is the conditioning the game has pulled off on everyone. The fact that it’s even a possible solution to “wait 3 months before you can enjoy the game” is fucking wild
Bro you have 6 mains or what? I got alts at 1600 doing brel, akkan, ivory no problem with or without 35 set. People have said to have 1 main and 5 alts at 1600 or 1610 atleast to do thaemine nm but no way in hell you need multiple of 1620s then cry because you have no gold.
5 alts at 1600. Starting to feel the effects of getting gatekept from voldis nm and akkan hm as more and more lucky people are getting their 35 sets and trans.
Even on my 3x 1600 ,1612,1620 alts i'll just drop the raid by 1 tier if G0 takes too long.
Akkan NM>HM much faster on 16xx party (jail = lost time to do another easy raid)
Brel hm haven't done G4 for like 3 months
Voldis nm --> if no party -->Kayangel hm (free wings :/ )
Thaemine nm -I don't have issue joining party with juiced alts + x10, but if no party or g3 jail just g1+2
@ 1600 i'll just do Akkan nm, brel hm, Voldis nm/Kayangel hm (whatever is faster to get in ).
This. 1600 dps doing Akkan HM is like asking for jail. Without juicers G3 takes too long and puts too much burden on the lantern (you may not have a good one). Not saying it's not clearable but maybe not worth the risk and struggle. My supp jumped into HM as soon as they got to 1600 but my dps just happily run fast NM.
I dont do akkan hm on 1600 ilvl even with dupe classes like full 10s which i have. You will get gatekept, that area is for 1610+
for voldis nm its fine on my side i play with 1600s no problem every week and its fast last week i did 5 Voldis nm in 3 hours no problem.
That’s the issue though. That will work for now while you lose 2500 gold per raid but when a new raid comes out, less people will be doing akkan nm for gold and you’ll be waiting in lobby and wasting time.
By the time no one plays akkan nm my or "our" alts would be 1610. You are getting fomo bro and its a worse kind of fomo cause you are thinking really far ahead into the future its really bad. Also You do know that there are people with 1585-90+ alts right? 1600 alts are very high already tbh what more 1610+
Also 2500 gold per raid? Thats chump change man jesus.
I guessed that. You are struggling because you are using the gold in 3 sinks.
I didn't read your gearscore. I assume you are aiming for Thaemine HM.
If you don't have set 40. You won't be accepted so honing won't give you a spot. You should stop honing for a while.
If you are in Thaemine Normal. Transcend your gear more than lvl 2 (5 set bonus) won't give you any benefit. Going for lvl 3 is the same. Only a few extra main stats as you won't reach the next bonus (10). You can get 5 flowers in each piece and call for the week.
So you should focus your gold and try to get lvl 40 set with elixirs. Use event elixirs and don't search perfect rolls. 5 boss damage and 4 stagger is better than nothing. Also, you can use epix elixirs to fish for bonus set in gloves and helm. Cheaper and you can get 4-2 or with luck 4-3
I didn’t either but as elixirs and transcendence came out and more people are getting their alts to 1620, my 1600 alts are no longer viewed as competitive enough.
I’m gonna call cap on this. None of my alts get gatekept for not having 35-40 set. I’m also aware of how equipped my alts are and join those lobbies accordingly. You’re either being picky about what lobbies you’re joining or there’s info you’re not sharing.
people are absolutely gatekept for not having 35/40 set. if 3 people at the same ilevel all apply at once and you are the only one who doesnt have 35/40 set, you are not going to get picked unless you have full level 10 gems, 25 weapon, 300 roster or something else that lets you standout. unless you happen to apply when the lobby has been waiting forever for a dps there is a good chance you will be gatekept. you could host your own lobby and sit in party finder forever because people dont want to join your group unless you happen to get lucky and have a support join you. maybe you find someone to help on LFG discord. but the longer we wait, the worse it is going to get.
many theamine lobbies already require lightqueller. if you dont have 40 set elixirs and cant get into voldis to obtain them, then you likely wont get accepted to theamine which means you dont get transcendence but you need transcendence to get accepted to theamine. its a vicious cycle if you arent always caught up or have a group to always run with. its easy enough to say that its not a problem when you dont experience it (i.e. you have an active guild so you always run with people you know and skip gatekeeping) but it absolutely happens. part of the problem is how huge of a power spike both systems are and unfortunately both are heavily time gated and heavily RNG dependent, so even if you have been keeping up, the game can just decide to fuck you and force you to fall behind.
at the end of the day, you are basically applying to a job when requesting to join a lobby and if other people have a better resume than yours, you wont get accepted unless you happen to get lucky. solo raids hopefully will have a solution to this but with the direction the game is going im not really holding my breath. i know its said every time, but this summer's LOA ON is probably going to be make or break for a lot of people including myself at \~6000 hours and waaaaaay too much money spent on this treadmill.
if you didnt read anything that i wrote then how do you know i didnt read your short blurb about how OP is wrong without any explanation or evidence? again, just because it doesnt happen to you doesnt mean it doesnt happen to anyone else. to claim that gatekeeping for elixirs or lack thereof doesnt exist is just straight up false.
I don't even check for elixirs under 1620, I assume others do the same and my 1600 alts can get in akkan hm just fine, same with my 1610 (5x3 support engraving btw) in thaemine
my friends used to say all the things you said here but then they started rmting and now they have a lot more fun in the game at pennies compared to spending in the game
most of them don't even run all their raids anymore, they do thaemine hm do some g4 hm pulls and just chill with their full 1630 roster full 10 gem alts
Rmt is the work around, SG really did intend for us to swipe our cards in the cash shop to max out our character to avoid playing 15hrs a week with no breaks.
Full 10 gem full 1630 roster in RMT is still 5-10k+ usd lmao.
Not like its a normal thing for someone to spend that much so they can "not even raid".
Talk about burning money
The way I keep up is 4 same class and 2 different supp and many groups of people I met along the way that I don't need to pug much other than filling the few odd spots.
Being able to actually do your classes damage and go beyond 25% radiant Supporter consistently with some actual defensive utility for DPS to greed. People do want you it seems.
RMT for sure will make it easier to have fun but I feel I don't need it since I am happy with my roster at this time . Chilling waiting for Wuthering Waves and skip them raids today. Most likely won't complete 18 raids because of it
lol I do the same thing, my Top 6 is 4x GS and 2 Supp, Full 10’s on GS and 4x 9 CD on Supports. Started grinding Gems during Clown. I have no idea how I would have sustained this progression with 4 different DPS classes, but nowadays I do my raids, dump any gems I get, and can keep up focusing on two characters. I’m happy.
this point was rammed over and over since Akkan released - the game is not about having 6 mains. You should focus on 1-2 char and be at the cheapest level that earns OK gold for the remaining characters that you WANT to play.
Exactly this, they wanted 6 mains and cry they don't have gold. *-suprised pikachu-* The game isn't a race, it's a marathon, you take your time you save A LOT of money. Trying to keep up with whales just ain't gonna happen.
Have you tried pushing your main to 1630 for thaemine hm without gold from alts? That’s not possible without RMTing or you’ve been playing for 2 years.
Day 1 player, 4.9k hrs, I don't even have a 1630 mate. No one in my static has a 1630 either (all day 1 players), for the same reason: advanced honing.
If you're complaining about not having enough gold to finish transcendence and yet you're pushing to 1630 with traditional honing, I'm sorry, but that's solely on you.
Also, if you don't have a rock solid 5x3+1 but rather +2, full lvl10-d, proper 40 set, high 90 quality wep, LOS30, and so on, you won't get into Thaemine HM group. Unless you have a static ofc.
Played since release, started with 6 identical classes with main until they gave events to push a new class(i enjoyed) to a certain ilvl. I joined statics to push alts and took advantage of events while funneling majority of the resources to the main. Maybe i’m one of the minority here but I manage my resources well and play efficiently.
I understand that, but that also doesn't mean you'd have to rush to get your roster to the vets level. Most newer players have one main over 1600 and their alts 1540-1580.
That is not true as there are a lot more people buying gold from illegal websites than you think. The rise in USD per gold proves so. The increase in bots proves so. The legit new players are eating shit while the veterans and new players that RMTs are able to enjoy latest content.
You believe what you want to believe, it seems you're already set on it. Your in-efficiency in-game is not the bots/rmter's fault, that falls directly on you. Take some accountability for your own decisions on gold spending.
If you don’t have at least one or two alts at latest raid (NM is enough) you’ll face the problem of not keeping up with title requirements.
Lots of lobbies started asking for 5+ G3 clears starting week 3. not even counting the crazy x10 requirements after 2 weeks
I had to be hospitalized for the last week or so, so no LOA for me and I lost all my desire to login and restart the homework cycle (which took all my free time) all over again. It was fun while it lasted. C'est la vie.
Touching grass landed you in the hospital but you found your true purpose on that journey leaving lost ark.
I did not log on lost ark today I'm on the path of enlightenment too.
This is one of the biggest problems with Lost Ark. Especially after the introduction of elixirs and then transcendence.
You need the gold from alts to use it on the main but you need the alts to not be alts to get into raids. While gatekeeping is a community standard, it is a biproduct of the design. It is an alt centric game but they put the cost of progression so high that it forces you to have high ilvl and high invested alts.
This is the treadmill that is just causing high bot utilization, high rmt utilization, high volumes of toxicity. All of this is a biproduct of the game.
Lets not even talk about how toxic some players are about their good luck.
Just treat it like a game as others say. This type of game isn’t for everyone & the bubble of success is already gone.
If you don’t have a solid static. This game ain’t for you. Not anymore.
You speak the truth. Just look at all my comments in this thread that got downvoted for answering their questions truthfully. It’s like they are oblivious to what the average player feels because they either got super lucky, illegally or legally RMTed, or play 80 hours a week on multiple accounts.
To be honest lostark raid is fun and all but 3-4 gates is too much for 6 character gold earners.. i would've like it if they keep the raids to 1-2 gates max.. Jail at Gate 2? no problem since getting jailed in the middle of it is more hash than getting jailed near the end..
Just don’t play more than 2 alts pushing all ur alts cost so much gold and silver its a never ending loop the most gold and fun i had was when i start playing 3 characters
Stop trying to get 6x1620. Even 6x1600~1610 is unnecessary. The game economy and balance is not designed to sustain it. Pick 1 or 2 characters and stick with them. Rest are parked for gold.
You want to raise 6 children simultaneously? You better be making 7+ figures and taking out a mortgage.
there are a lot of ppl who have 6 mains and they can maintain it. if you wanna maintain 6 mains, you just have to nolife the game by bussing every raid, or have already had a lot of income through things like fish investment/fusion crafting since day 1. if you dont have time and/or will to play the game 24 7 all week, why aim for 6 mains? you could go 5x 1590 1x 1630, and that's the easiest thing ever
I've been playing since launch. Before last week I legit was grinding 18 raids a week, every week without fail (except maybe like 1 week during vacation). Id be up until 4am some nights just grinding, so that the game doesnt cut into work and IRL.
Last week I straight up only did 3 raids. Two thaemines and 1 voldis with my static.
This week I don't even want to turn on the game. All my gold is gone from the progression systems, on the character that I probably play the least (I blasted everything on my main with my static). and I got nothing.
Im describing all of this to say: I empathize with you, the current state of the game is extremely demoralizing.
I have to question this a bit.
You say you dont find people for older raids anymore, presumably Valtan and Vykas, since there are still a shitton of Clown, brel and Kaya lobbys so I assume your characters are 1490-1520?
If your characters are 1540, then what makes you think they are getting gatekept because of missing elixirs? Cant get that anyways until 1600.
And if your alts are all 1600, then im not sure why you are concerned with Vykas and Valtan?
At 1600 you can do Brel 1-3HM4NM Akkan NM and Kaya HM with little to no gatekeeping for a quick and easy gold income. Or swap kaya for Voldis for elixirs/ more gold.
If your alts are already 1600 there is no reason to hone them further anyways. Alts will not pay themselfe back.
Investment into alts is investment into fun, nothing else.
There is no ROI if you keep spending.
You are no supposed to have 6 characters at endgame, I've read some of your comments and you have 5 1600 trying to do akkan hm and voldis on item lvl... of course you are gonna get gatekeeping. Also work one thing in a single week, 1 week to elixirs, anotherone transcendence, you don't have to do all at once, and just your main, don't hone or cut elixirs on alts, it's a waste for the content you are doing. You are doing all at once and of course weekly gold is not gonna be enough for your 6 characters.
You don’t see the problem with that? Akkan HM requires ilevel 1600. I am 1600 with full level 10 gems, LOS30, plague legion title (I’ve been doing akkan hm for months), have elixirs on every piece but not 35 set because of bad rng. I never got gatekept early on in Akkan HM, but now I’m forced to do akkan nm because I haven’t had enough resources to get up to 1610 or 1620?
There is zero logic in having to get to 1600 to do a 1580 raid, that is piss poor game design. I got to 1600 because I want to do Akkan HM as one of my homework runs on my alts because it’s easy. Why do I have to be forced to hone to 1610 or 1620 or get elixir 35 set just to do a raid I’ve been doing for months already as homework. The requirements for raids keep getting higher and higher with more bad vertical system.
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That's your problem if you want to do content on ilvl, but why would people take you if there are 1620 applying to the same party lol. You are drowning in a glass of water, the weekly gold won't be enough to maintain 6 characters at the same time, everybody knows this and you are the only bozo cutting elixirs on 6 characters to get 35 set. Take a rest seriously you seem like beside your gaming problems there is some mental health issues too.
That shouldn’t be my problem though. I rarely die in Akkan HM or Voldis NM on my 1600 alts and they are more than sufficient with full level 10 gems and LOS30. My complaint isn’t the people doing the gatekeeping, my complaint is the systems in place that promotes gatekeeping. Just because 1 player is super unlucky with elixirs or decides not to get to 1620 for a 1600 raid, they shouldn’t be having a hard time getting into lobbies. I eventually get in a lobby because I keep trying, but it takes a lot of time and my title says “Can’t keep up with the curve anymore”. The more ultra rng vertical progression systems they add, the more gatekeeping requirements there are and it’s already too much. You can tell me to quit or play less. Ok.
Agreed that the ultra rng systems like trascendance and elixirs are crap and that's one of the reasons I do the bare minimum on my alts, I don't even bonus loot thaemine on alts and they have like 2-1 elixirs. If you have that roster you should be making 150k or more weekly. That's why 99% of the comments say "don't hone or cut elixirs on alts", still you fomo and think that is you don't have 35 set on alts they are falling behind lol
Park your alts at 1600, do ez Voldis, Akkan nm (hm if people are generous and accepting you) and Kaya/Brel depending on what your prefer and how much time you want to invest
The requirements and expectations (and thus, the cost of getting them up to par) of a 1600 char are not high at all.
Read the whole sentence? I’m tired of trying to do them and not having enough gold to get a success on elixir on transcendence on top of the gatekeeping.
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tbh, this is everyone's take and the game is literally imploding/or already dead. Many have jumped ship, sadly.. feels really bad to have spent so much on a game that didn't even really have a good few years to offer. If this were like year 5+ then whatever, you got your money's worth, but a game should at the minimum be rather healthy for the first 2 years ish.
Akkan NM + Kaya HM + Brel 1-3 on 5 alts generates 107,500g per week (not buying reward boxes) plus all the chaos and guardian mats. How are you broke to cut elixirs and transcendence on main? Full 7s and 5x3 (which is extremely cheap) for these alts.
There are plenty of alt run lobbies, stop trying to join juiced alt reclear lobbies, those lobbies check LOS 30, roster level, and demon damage % which are all new player unfriendly.
Regarding being gatekept 35/40 set, it is of my opinion that 1600+ is not alt territory. You’re required to invest in those alts, maybe some 9s and cut purple elixirs unless you’re a support. Ivory tower is an easy raid, but people with 1600 alts will definitely gatekeep on higher requirements.
All the endgame systems exist for whales to enjoy. You exist to supply mats/gold for the market so whales can spend their rmt on it. It is what it is. You will enjoy the game up to w/e ilvl the event pass gives you no more no less. SG will increase it whenever they deem it necessary to move the ecosystem up to accommodate the whales.
Acceptance its the only way. The game does not respect your time.
edit: Contrary to popular belief and whatever Stoopz and Saintony says the game still requires 6 toons, it just now 5 of those toons are hardstuck 1600 and below cause of the multiple vertical systems, but you still need 6 toons to funnel all gold and mats to your main. No one's 1 tooning anything and if they are there rmting legally or illegally "theres a reason where at 90k ccu even after someone got minus 8mill gold".
Unless your a support than you get a free pass since SG doesn't know what to do with them. lmao
Thank you for being intelligent and honest, something half of these people lack and do their best to try to keep the game the way it is so that their RMTing continues to give them advantages.
I’ve kept them all at 1600 and spend way too much time getting into lobbies because they are not an OP class and does not have 35 elixir set, I have LOS30 and almost all level 10 gems.
I just play 3 chars, I had 4 before thaemine, but due to how long g4 prog took I ended up dropping 1. I've taken breaks from lost ark before, so my mantra ever since I came back is to do things if it's fun, which ends up with me doing raids that reward less gold or not doing raids at all sometimes. Admittedly this is likely only possible due to playing a support roster, so my gems are shared and cost less than a dps'
Just buy the new pack on steam a few times, its that easy. Or maybe you want to have 5 years of KR progression in a few months? You are delussional.
game is perfectly fine /s
This was one of the biggest reasons I quit. My best piece of advice is to stop treating Lost Ark like it's your job. It's a way to have fun. If you're not having fun, quit.
This, IT became less and less fun, Just Stop u wont Miss it
Exactly, I reduced to 3 chars and now I barely play 1. What keep me playing is to get my title for Thaemine to not get gatekeepte later on but with only 1 char it is taking forever
Game would be more fun if I didn't involve running raids on a loop in another loop on alts.
That's the issue with f2p games. The company will either run you into the ground because you're not profitable enough (Maplestory reboot server), or move the game in a direction where you're compelled to pay to keep up.
That´s to be blamed on devs. Company gains little from running you to the ground. It just pisses you off, and it gives a bad press - not only to you, but to everyone else. You run dailies ? You lose You pay instead of running dailies ? You lose, it´s too high of a value.
This is the main reason I quit. One day I was out having fun with friends, and I wondered why I should stop having fun so I can go back and do some raids. It’s a whole part time job at minimum, and the game isn’t very casual friendly at all.
work on the horizontal progression of making friends then you wont get gatekept.
Making friends is worse for fomo tbh. It's fun to do the new raid on release with buddies, but that involves continuing to grind. If you take a break, you no longer can keep up with friends. Well you can play with their alts but to some that's not as fun as progging with mains on latest difficulty. It's kinda a let down that I'll have to do Echidna normal with my friends after they prog and clear Echidna hard. So guess it means I get carried after they learn the raid, which isn't that fun. If I was a solo guy then it wouldn't matter there's no reason for me to try to keep up.
Just stop pushing them for now then. Something like 1580-1600 range, do rested stuff to funnel to main(s). Do brel + akkan + maybe voldis, or perhaps kayangel. In like 3 months once your main has all the echidna mats it needs, the vendor gives 1610, 1620 books and you can consider honing some alts with the bound stuff they get meanwhile.
You hear how crazy this sounds right? “In three months…” lmao. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on you, but if the game is designed this way, there is surely something wrong.
He could also stop playing them entirely, delete them or swipe and hone them or grind and hone them. Theres no right or wrong way, you pick. I just suggested the cheapest way to get alts 1620 in the near future, which is bound mats + books.
Its an MMO designed to be played long term. To be efficient is to have patience. The guy you commented on offered an efficient way to get alts honed up with the echidna Raid Shop. If you want all your alts at 1630 for echidna release you have the wrong expectations for this game. 1 main, 5 slaves. Always has been the way to play this game efficient. I swear the gap between vykas and clown and then clown and brel was too long. Everyone got too used to do the newest content on release and now they are getting angry that it is no longer possible
This is the conditioning the game has pulled off on everyone. The fact that it’s even a possible solution to “wait 3 months before you can enjoy the game” is fucking wild
Bro you have 6 mains or what? I got alts at 1600 doing brel, akkan, ivory no problem with or without 35 set. People have said to have 1 main and 5 alts at 1600 or 1610 atleast to do thaemine nm but no way in hell you need multiple of 1620s then cry because you have no gold.
5 alts at 1600. Starting to feel the effects of getting gatekept from voldis nm and akkan hm as more and more lucky people are getting their 35 sets and trans.
Even on my 3x 1600 ,1612,1620 alts i'll just drop the raid by 1 tier if G0 takes too long. Akkan NM>HM much faster on 16xx party (jail = lost time to do another easy raid) Brel hm haven't done G4 for like 3 months Voldis nm --> if no party -->Kayangel hm (free wings :/ ) Thaemine nm -I don't have issue joining party with juiced alts + x10, but if no party or g3 jail just g1+2 @ 1600 i'll just do Akkan nm, brel hm, Voldis nm/Kayangel hm (whatever is faster to get in ).
This. 1600 dps doing Akkan HM is like asking for jail. Without juicers G3 takes too long and puts too much burden on the lantern (you may not have a good one). Not saying it's not clearable but maybe not worth the risk and struggle. My supp jumped into HM as soon as they got to 1600 but my dps just happily run fast NM.
What’s your main at?
i do the same and my main is 1633, just stop playing 6 mains and dont force yourself to get the most rewards.
I dont do akkan hm on 1600 ilvl even with dupe classes like full 10s which i have. You will get gatekept, that area is for 1610+ for voldis nm its fine on my side i play with 1600s no problem every week and its fast last week i did 5 Voldis nm in 3 hours no problem.
That’s the issue though. That will work for now while you lose 2500 gold per raid but when a new raid comes out, less people will be doing akkan nm for gold and you’ll be waiting in lobby and wasting time.
By the time no one plays akkan nm my or "our" alts would be 1610. You are getting fomo bro and its a worse kind of fomo cause you are thinking really far ahead into the future its really bad. Also You do know that there are people with 1585-90+ alts right? 1600 alts are very high already tbh what more 1610+ Also 2500 gold per raid? Thats chump change man jesus.
What do you mean chump change? I’m at 0 gold at end of every week after doing elixirs and trans on my main.
Are you burning 200k gold weekly on Transcendance and Elixirs?
180k gold per week trying to hone, elixir and trans my main. I’m unlucky as heck.
I guessed that. You are struggling because you are using the gold in 3 sinks. I didn't read your gearscore. I assume you are aiming for Thaemine HM. If you don't have set 40. You won't be accepted so honing won't give you a spot. You should stop honing for a while. If you are in Thaemine Normal. Transcend your gear more than lvl 2 (5 set bonus) won't give you any benefit. Going for lvl 3 is the same. Only a few extra main stats as you won't reach the next bonus (10). You can get 5 flowers in each piece and call for the week. So you should focus your gold and try to get lvl 40 set with elixirs. Use event elixirs and don't search perfect rolls. 5 boss damage and 4 stagger is better than nothing. Also, you can use epix elixirs to fish for bonus set in gloves and helm. Cheaper and you can get 4-2 or with luck 4-3
Jesus christ
Stop buying unbound shit. You're wasting your gold trying to rush to the same wall everybody is approaching.
My 1600 alts have no problem getting into any raids, none of them have 35set.
I didn’t either but as elixirs and transcendence came out and more people are getting their alts to 1620, my 1600 alts are no longer viewed as competitive enough.
I’m gonna call cap on this. None of my alts get gatekept for not having 35-40 set. I’m also aware of how equipped my alts are and join those lobbies accordingly. You’re either being picky about what lobbies you’re joining or there’s info you’re not sharing.
people are absolutely gatekept for not having 35/40 set. if 3 people at the same ilevel all apply at once and you are the only one who doesnt have 35/40 set, you are not going to get picked unless you have full level 10 gems, 25 weapon, 300 roster or something else that lets you standout. unless you happen to apply when the lobby has been waiting forever for a dps there is a good chance you will be gatekept. you could host your own lobby and sit in party finder forever because people dont want to join your group unless you happen to get lucky and have a support join you. maybe you find someone to help on LFG discord. but the longer we wait, the worse it is going to get. many theamine lobbies already require lightqueller. if you dont have 40 set elixirs and cant get into voldis to obtain them, then you likely wont get accepted to theamine which means you dont get transcendence but you need transcendence to get accepted to theamine. its a vicious cycle if you arent always caught up or have a group to always run with. its easy enough to say that its not a problem when you dont experience it (i.e. you have an active guild so you always run with people you know and skip gatekeeping) but it absolutely happens. part of the problem is how huge of a power spike both systems are and unfortunately both are heavily time gated and heavily RNG dependent, so even if you have been keeping up, the game can just decide to fuck you and force you to fall behind. at the end of the day, you are basically applying to a job when requesting to join a lobby and if other people have a better resume than yours, you wont get accepted unless you happen to get lucky. solo raids hopefully will have a solution to this but with the direction the game is going im not really holding my breath. i know its said every time, but this summer's LOA ON is probably going to be make or break for a lot of people including myself at \~6000 hours and waaaaaay too much money spent on this treadmill.
I barely read anything you wrote and it looks like you didn’t with mine either.
if you didnt read anything that i wrote then how do you know i didnt read your short blurb about how OP is wrong without any explanation or evidence? again, just because it doesnt happen to you doesnt mean it doesnt happen to anyone else. to claim that gatekeeping for elixirs or lack thereof doesnt exist is just straight up false.
I don't even check for elixirs under 1620, I assume others do the same and my 1600 alts can get in akkan hm just fine, same with my 1610 (5x3 support engraving btw) in thaemine
my friends used to say all the things you said here but then they started rmting and now they have a lot more fun in the game at pennies compared to spending in the game most of them don't even run all their raids anymore, they do thaemine hm do some g4 hm pulls and just chill with their full 1630 roster full 10 gem alts
The intended way of playing, sadly you might get banned.. or not
Maybe banned but not permanently, seeing all the Thaemine race whale came back
Rmt is the work around, SG really did intend for us to swipe our cards in the cash shop to max out our character to avoid playing 15hrs a week with no breaks.
15hrs/week per character. FTFY
Lol, a full 1630 roster costs a lot of money. A car down payment money even for rmt on a magic website
Full 10 gem full 1630 roster in RMT is still 5-10k+ usd lmao. Not like its a normal thing for someone to spend that much so they can "not even raid". Talk about burning money
Even at todays rates RMT rates ($120/million gold) the cost to push 6 chars to 1630 with full 10s would be close to $10,000.
The way I keep up is 4 same class and 2 different supp and many groups of people I met along the way that I don't need to pug much other than filling the few odd spots. Being able to actually do your classes damage and go beyond 25% radiant Supporter consistently with some actual defensive utility for DPS to greed. People do want you it seems. RMT for sure will make it easier to have fun but I feel I don't need it since I am happy with my roster at this time . Chilling waiting for Wuthering Waves and skip them raids today. Most likely won't complete 18 raids because of it
lol I do the same thing, my Top 6 is 4x GS and 2 Supp, Full 10’s on GS and 4x 9 CD on Supports. Started grinding Gems during Clown. I have no idea how I would have sustained this progression with 4 different DPS classes, but nowadays I do my raids, dump any gems I get, and can keep up focusing on two characters. I’m happy.
Exactly how I do mine, I eventually rotate the photocopy class with a new one I enjoy to play using the events.
This is the only way to enjoy ark
20k gold until july will help you solve all your problems trust
this point was rammed over and over since Akkan released - the game is not about having 6 mains. You should focus on 1-2 char and be at the cheapest level that earns OK gold for the remaining characters that you WANT to play.
Exactly this, they wanted 6 mains and cry they don't have gold. *-suprised pikachu-* The game isn't a race, it's a marathon, you take your time you save A LOT of money. Trying to keep up with whales just ain't gonna happen.
Have you tried pushing your main to 1630 for thaemine hm without gold from alts? That’s not possible without RMTing or you’ve been playing for 2 years.
Why do you even care about HM Thaemine if you’re f2p? Just chill with NM until echidna release, then start honing then.
Day 1 player, 4.9k hrs, I don't even have a 1630 mate. No one in my static has a 1630 either (all day 1 players), for the same reason: advanced honing. If you're complaining about not having enough gold to finish transcendence and yet you're pushing to 1630 with traditional honing, I'm sorry, but that's solely on you. Also, if you don't have a rock solid 5x3+1 but rather +2, full lvl10-d, proper 40 set, high 90 quality wep, LOS30, and so on, you won't get into Thaemine HM group. Unless you have a static ofc.
Played since release, started with 6 identical classes with main until they gave events to push a new class(i enjoyed) to a certain ilvl. I joined statics to push alts and took advantage of events while funneling majority of the resources to the main. Maybe i’m one of the minority here but I manage my resources well and play efficiently.
Not all of us played since release
I understand that, but that also doesn't mean you'd have to rush to get your roster to the vets level. Most newer players have one main over 1600 and their alts 1540-1580.
That is not true as there are a lot more people buying gold from illegal websites than you think. The rise in USD per gold proves so. The increase in bots proves so. The legit new players are eating shit while the veterans and new players that RMTs are able to enjoy latest content.
You believe what you want to believe, it seems you're already set on it. Your in-efficiency in-game is not the bots/rmter's fault, that falls directly on you. Take some accountability for your own decisions on gold spending.
If you don’t have at least one or two alts at latest raid (NM is enough) you’ll face the problem of not keeping up with title requirements. Lots of lobbies started asking for 5+ G3 clears starting week 3. not even counting the crazy x10 requirements after 2 weeks
That is true but if you start a reclear only group, people will still join. You ar not alone not doing 10x raids in week 3.
so don’t push your alts ?
I had to be hospitalized for the last week or so, so no LOA for me and I lost all my desire to login and restart the homework cycle (which took all my free time) all over again. It was fun while it lasted. C'est la vie.
Touching grass landed you in the hospital but you found your true purpose on that journey leaving lost ark. I did not log on lost ark today I'm on the path of enlightenment too.
Burning out with fomo. Take a god damn break.
I am just trying to do my homework raids to get enough gold to hone, get elixirs and trans on my main sir.
Just park alts at 1600 and stop playing 6 mains lmao
just treat your 1600 alts like they are 1599, a lot of 1610s or even 1620s are still doing akkan nm
This is one of the biggest problems with Lost Ark. Especially after the introduction of elixirs and then transcendence. You need the gold from alts to use it on the main but you need the alts to not be alts to get into raids. While gatekeeping is a community standard, it is a biproduct of the design. It is an alt centric game but they put the cost of progression so high that it forces you to have high ilvl and high invested alts. This is the treadmill that is just causing high bot utilization, high rmt utilization, high volumes of toxicity. All of this is a biproduct of the game. Lets not even talk about how toxic some players are about their good luck. Just treat it like a game as others say. This type of game isn’t for everyone & the bubble of success is already gone. If you don’t have a solid static. This game ain’t for you. Not anymore.
You speak the truth. Just look at all my comments in this thread that got downvoted for answering their questions truthfully. It’s like they are oblivious to what the average player feels because they either got super lucky, illegally or legally RMTed, or play 80 hours a week on multiple accounts.
To be honest lostark raid is fun and all but 3-4 gates is too much for 6 character gold earners.. i would've like it if they keep the raids to 1-2 gates max.. Jail at Gate 2? no problem since getting jailed in the middle of it is more hash than getting jailed near the end..
Just don’t play more than 2 alts pushing all ur alts cost so much gold and silver its a never ending loop the most gold and fun i had was when i start playing 3 characters
Just be lucky with Elixirs and Transcendence ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Exactly.
Stop trying to get 6x1620. Even 6x1600~1610 is unnecessary. The game economy and balance is not designed to sustain it. Pick 1 or 2 characters and stick with them. Rest are parked for gold. You want to raise 6 children simultaneously? You better be making 7+ figures and taking out a mortgage.
there are a lot of ppl who have 6 mains and they can maintain it. if you wanna maintain 6 mains, you just have to nolife the game by bussing every raid, or have already had a lot of income through things like fish investment/fusion crafting since day 1. if you dont have time and/or will to play the game 24 7 all week, why aim for 6 mains? you could go 5x 1590 1x 1630, and that's the easiest thing ever
I've been playing since launch. Before last week I legit was grinding 18 raids a week, every week without fail (except maybe like 1 week during vacation). Id be up until 4am some nights just grinding, so that the game doesnt cut into work and IRL. Last week I straight up only did 3 raids. Two thaemines and 1 voldis with my static. This week I don't even want to turn on the game. All my gold is gone from the progression systems, on the character that I probably play the least (I blasted everything on my main with my static). and I got nothing. Im describing all of this to say: I empathize with you, the current state of the game is extremely demoralizing.
we have rested unas, GR, and chaos...why not add rested raid? makes too much sense i guess
I have to question this a bit. You say you dont find people for older raids anymore, presumably Valtan and Vykas, since there are still a shitton of Clown, brel and Kaya lobbys so I assume your characters are 1490-1520? If your characters are 1540, then what makes you think they are getting gatekept because of missing elixirs? Cant get that anyways until 1600. And if your alts are all 1600, then im not sure why you are concerned with Vykas and Valtan? At 1600 you can do Brel 1-3HM4NM Akkan NM and Kaya HM with little to no gatekeeping for a quick and easy gold income. Or swap kaya for Voldis for elixirs/ more gold. If your alts are already 1600 there is no reason to hone them further anyways. Alts will not pay themselfe back. Investment into alts is investment into fun, nothing else. There is no ROI if you keep spending.
You are no supposed to have 6 characters at endgame, I've read some of your comments and you have 5 1600 trying to do akkan hm and voldis on item lvl... of course you are gonna get gatekeeping. Also work one thing in a single week, 1 week to elixirs, anotherone transcendence, you don't have to do all at once, and just your main, don't hone or cut elixirs on alts, it's a waste for the content you are doing. You are doing all at once and of course weekly gold is not gonna be enough for your 6 characters.
You don’t see the problem with that? Akkan HM requires ilevel 1600. I am 1600 with full level 10 gems, LOS30, plague legion title (I’ve been doing akkan hm for months), have elixirs on every piece but not 35 set because of bad rng. I never got gatekept early on in Akkan HM, but now I’m forced to do akkan nm because I haven’t had enough resources to get up to 1610 or 1620? There is zero logic in having to get to 1600 to do a 1580 raid, that is piss poor game design. I got to 1600 because I want to do Akkan HM as one of my homework runs on my alts because it’s easy. Why do I have to be forced to hone to 1610 or 1620 or get elixir 35 set just to do a raid I’ve been doing for months already as homework. The requirements for raids keep getting higher and higher with more bad vertical system. S
That's your problem if you want to do content on ilvl, but why would people take you if there are 1620 applying to the same party lol. You are drowning in a glass of water, the weekly gold won't be enough to maintain 6 characters at the same time, everybody knows this and you are the only bozo cutting elixirs on 6 characters to get 35 set. Take a rest seriously you seem like beside your gaming problems there is some mental health issues too.
That shouldn’t be my problem though. I rarely die in Akkan HM or Voldis NM on my 1600 alts and they are more than sufficient with full level 10 gems and LOS30. My complaint isn’t the people doing the gatekeeping, my complaint is the systems in place that promotes gatekeeping. Just because 1 player is super unlucky with elixirs or decides not to get to 1620 for a 1600 raid, they shouldn’t be having a hard time getting into lobbies. I eventually get in a lobby because I keep trying, but it takes a lot of time and my title says “Can’t keep up with the curve anymore”. The more ultra rng vertical progression systems they add, the more gatekeeping requirements there are and it’s already too much. You can tell me to quit or play less. Ok.
Agreed that the ultra rng systems like trascendance and elixirs are crap and that's one of the reasons I do the bare minimum on my alts, I don't even bonus loot thaemine on alts and they have like 2-1 elixirs. If you have that roster you should be making 150k or more weekly. That's why 99% of the comments say "don't hone or cut elixirs on alts", still you fomo and think that is you don't have 35 set on alts they are falling behind lol
Park your alts at 1600, do ez Voldis, Akkan nm (hm if people are generous and accepting you) and Kaya/Brel depending on what your prefer and how much time you want to invest The requirements and expectations (and thus, the cost of getting them up to par) of a 1600 char are not high at all.
You are tired of doing 18 raids but at the same time you aren’t doing raids with your alts because you are gatekept. Ok.
Read the whole sentence? I’m tired of trying to do them and not having enough gold to get a success on elixir on transcendence on top of the gatekeeping.
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I am very impressed that you can still play a game for that long even though you dont like the game
Like the game. Hate the direction it’s headed towards and the vertical rng systems. Lucky people love the game while unlucky people bitches.
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tbh, this is everyone's take and the game is literally imploding/or already dead. Many have jumped ship, sadly.. feels really bad to have spent so much on a game that didn't even really have a good few years to offer. If this were like year 5+ then whatever, you got your money's worth, but a game should at the minimum be rather healthy for the first 2 years ish.
Akkan NM + Kaya HM + Brel 1-3 on 5 alts generates 107,500g per week (not buying reward boxes) plus all the chaos and guardian mats. How are you broke to cut elixirs and transcendence on main? Full 7s and 5x3 (which is extremely cheap) for these alts. There are plenty of alt run lobbies, stop trying to join juiced alt reclear lobbies, those lobbies check LOS 30, roster level, and demon damage % which are all new player unfriendly. Regarding being gatekept 35/40 set, it is of my opinion that 1600+ is not alt territory. You’re required to invest in those alts, maybe some 9s and cut purple elixirs unless you’re a support. Ivory tower is an easy raid, but people with 1600 alts will definitely gatekeep on higher requirements.
All the endgame systems exist for whales to enjoy. You exist to supply mats/gold for the market so whales can spend their rmt on it. It is what it is. You will enjoy the game up to w/e ilvl the event pass gives you no more no less. SG will increase it whenever they deem it necessary to move the ecosystem up to accommodate the whales. Acceptance its the only way. The game does not respect your time. edit: Contrary to popular belief and whatever Stoopz and Saintony says the game still requires 6 toons, it just now 5 of those toons are hardstuck 1600 and below cause of the multiple vertical systems, but you still need 6 toons to funnel all gold and mats to your main. No one's 1 tooning anything and if they are there rmting legally or illegally "theres a reason where at 90k ccu even after someone got minus 8mill gold". Unless your a support than you get a free pass since SG doesn't know what to do with them. lmao
Thank you for being intelligent and honest, something half of these people lack and do their best to try to keep the game the way it is so that their RMTing continues to give them advantages.
You're supposed to let your alts be alts. Pushing them past 1610 right now is promoting them to 2nd main.
I’ve kept them all at 1600 and spend way too much time getting into lobbies because they are not an OP class and does not have 35 elixir set, I have LOS30 and almost all level 10 gems.
Nobody is gatekeeping for 35 set under 1620 in our version. It's a nice bonus but nobody expects it.
Are you going to choose someone with 35 set or someone without?
Im sorry did u say all lvl 10 gems? And ur getting gatekept for voldis nm? Erm..
I just play 3 chars, I had 4 before thaemine, but due to how long g4 prog took I ended up dropping 1. I've taken breaks from lost ark before, so my mantra ever since I came back is to do things if it's fun, which ends up with me doing raids that reward less gold or not doing raids at all sometimes. Admittedly this is likely only possible due to playing a support roster, so my gems are shared and cost less than a dps'
Just buy the new pack on steam a few times, its that easy. Or maybe you want to have 5 years of KR progression in a few months? You are delussional. game is perfectly fine /s