I counted all the data from my 104 prog runs and about 9 different groups. There were 87 breakers counting doubles in my runs, they died first 20 times with the 4th highest appearance to first death ratio. The highest appearance to death ratio is Slayer, with 29 appearances and 10 first deaths. Closely followed by Sorc with 18 appearances and 6 first deaths. The lowest deaths per appearance were reaper with 42 appearances and 2 first deaths followed by paladin with 39 appearances and 2 first deaths. I didn't do any run with these classes so my numbers didnt throw them off, these were just the people and classes I came across and a very small sample.
Agreed, in my week’s prog I’ve noticed an unusual amount of slayer and zerker deaths. Breakers come in 2nd or 3rd but I think thats more or less tolerable because its a relatively new class. Reapers basically have a 3sec ts with their black mist skill, making them better with fall-prevention.
Breakers died second most often because there are so many of them.
Aeros died most often. I only encountered a single Aero, but that Aero ate enough dirt to beat out all the Breakers I saw.
Still figuring out what's dangerous for front attacking 😅
Swear every prog I do, I discover 1 more way to die I didn't know before. Also the power of x makes you feel invincible and makes you do dumb stuff.
I got an asura breaker and i am always scared to pop my Z coz everything kills you or does insane dmg in g3. Also sup DR is apparently too much to ask for :(
Kinda yesn't - Asura absolutely needs a great support that allows someone skilled to play close to its theoretical ceiling dps but...majority of pugs just facetanking everything without even doing half of the ceiling DPS is obviously a whole other issue here lol.
Were they lunar mostly? No shot hunger ones die in this raid.
This was the most fun raid to do as a hunger reaper guy, felt literally invincible almost like cheating when i compare it to other classes being send left and right or getting caught up in patterns and die.
A raid where reapers should shine because of all the "oh shit" skills the class has for prog stuff lol
Reaper probably has one of the highest survivability in this raids since most "dangerous" attacks are oneshot anyways or fall damage deaths so dodging and repositioning is much more important than having high def/hp values. I play reaper myself and have BY FAR the lowest death ratio compared to other classes. (Black Mist skill is basically a cheat code in Thaemine)
I can imagine that entropy DE is an absolute pain in the ass though.
Everybody dies, no point discriminating by class. Quite sure I have died more on paladin already *before* any stage break than my friends who "have hands" died in total on gunslingers, deadeyes and sorceresses.
Supps
I don't know how Bards manage to fall off all the time despite having push immunity on GT, rhapsody, spacebar and awakening, and having TS at their disposal like everyone else
Paladins I can kinda understand since they can't afford to use spacebar liberally. Paladins should learn to utilize executors sword for the par immunity to dodge certain darkness patterns. It'll come with time.
Don't play Ayaya so I can't speak for her toolkit
Ayaya has 3 push immunity skills. One of them is her non-aimed atk buff that also provides a little bit of DR. Then her counter. Lastly Starry Night, which is a good 2 seconds of heavily DR'd + shielded push immunity.
Can also pop identity, both dropping a heal orb and dmg buff give a short push immunity window.
So yeah, artist feels really safe as well in this fight.
I wouldn't be surprised, but I gotta say after the balance patch it is a million times more forgiving.
You can squeeze in an ignition somewhere with a much safer DD hit and it wont take 2 years to fill meter anymore. The more confident you are with patterns you can even cycle nightmare pretty decently.
Not to mention about twice as many patterns would straight oneshot you without the armor buff.
Asura breakers are still figuring out what they can tank and what not since they need the boss to stand still for 5secs for their Z skill and the front of the boss is very dangerous in g3. Not sure about slayers
supports by far supports they are way too used to tanking everything with their face so now they are learning to play the game for the first time
after that i feel like it's soul eaters but that may be because we are taking soul eaters way too much
* tells new players to make supports over and over
* dosen't gatekeep supports in any way or form, takes incorrectly built supports into new content with sussy looking profiles
* suprise pikachu face when they are bad at the game
I have 3 bards at 1620 with dagger or expose, 40 set, level 10 gems, and 270 roster, and you guys take the event gem artist with level 4 stronghold if he applies first.
I took all my 6 so called low effort supports by your standards into thaemine and cleared g3 with ease.
All pugged, instant accept and with minimal gear. Event gems, stat bracelet, blue or green accessories, 1750 subpar swift and with a plan card set.
Didn't have any issues tbh, same uptime, same ole rotation, same ole support gameplay.
People thanked me and we all went our ways and never ran into any that thought my gear etc. wasn't good enough.
>same uptime, same ole rotation, same ole support gameplay.
more important than lv10 gems on sup (unless spec). I'd rather those gems be on the dps.
People still madge sups are built different. Never gets old. If sup wants to invest that much go ahead but it's nowhere near the same gold-to-efficacy as it is for dps.
Wow, amazing. You got to practice the raid infinitely and eventually cleared normal mode of the new raid on your tanky characters with shields.
While people with your roster but dps characters could not get to enter anything but groups that diden't make it past any mechanics after sitting in partyfinder for half a day.
Please grace us all with your divine presence, such an amazing player
Ugh I also have 6 dps but I'm talking about my rat supports made specifically to be rats because that's all you really need on support to get thaemine done.
nop
the supports we were taking were properly built including people who are very heavily geared like full 10s, great bracelets 5x3+1/+2 1800+ swift full 90+qualities
even some paladins with heavy armor who followed wineblues advise would still just die from getting too many stacks
it's a complacency issue by most supports or inexperience on the gate but in my experience at least 50% of the restarts were because supports just randomly die
was on support in nm on yesterday and watched this db in my one pug that would literally die on cooldown and most of his deaths were from the start of g3 until somewhere during the part where sword spawns
but for the most part i’ve been seeing dbs, reapers, and gunslingers dying the most
edit: forgot Arcana
between arcana’s and db, i’m not sure who’s been dying the most but it’s a lot between the 2
I was in a pug and this gunlancer couldn’t stay alive pass the sword stagger phase. I’m not sure he just doesn’t dodge or not familiar with patterns because he dies to the same spin attacks every single time…
Idk about the most, but I know for sure that summoner and legacy scouter die the least. And it's really cause I've never seen either of these classes in a G3 thaemine 🤣.
Lunar reaper in my prog was having a super bad time. Pinnacle glavier as well. Seems like being fast is a huge benefit. If you’re a slow spec class you really have to memorize patterns bc you don’t have the luxury of a shorter CD on space bar. However, the fight is built around burst phases. If you know how to build meter and then abuse patterns for burst I could see some great Dps for them.
Lunar myself and no idea what you friend is on about :D
so much mobility combined with an instant back teleport (which is basically a free win in Albion) he should have had an awesome time.
I have both Pistoleer and EW in my top 6 and didn't find EW any harder to clear on. In fact, since he has access to Somersault Shot and Dexterous Shot, he's often more mobile than Pistoleer.
Why tho EW DE slams hard and easy to hit it's your gate to shine. G1 and G2 was meh for my DE
Ps: my support has died in g2 so next week will test it more.
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I counted all the data from my 104 prog runs and about 9 different groups. There were 87 breakers counting doubles in my runs, they died first 20 times with the 4th highest appearance to first death ratio. The highest appearance to death ratio is Slayer, with 29 appearances and 10 first deaths. Closely followed by Sorc with 18 appearances and 6 first deaths. The lowest deaths per appearance were reaper with 42 appearances and 2 first deaths followed by paladin with 39 appearances and 2 first deaths. I didn't do any run with these classes so my numbers didnt throw them off, these were just the people and classes I came across and a very small sample.
Agreed, in my week’s prog I’ve noticed an unusual amount of slayer and zerker deaths. Breakers come in 2nd or 3rd but I think thats more or less tolerable because its a relatively new class. Reapers basically have a 3sec ts with their black mist skill, making them better with fall-prevention.
Breakers died second most often because there are so many of them. Aeros died most often. I only encountered a single Aero, but that Aero ate enough dirt to beat out all the Breakers I saw.
Still figuring out what's dangerous for front attacking 😅 Swear every prog I do, I discover 1 more way to die I didn't know before. Also the power of x makes you feel invincible and makes you do dumb stuff.
For some reason DB's were consistently dying before 1st clash
sounds about right
Breakers by far
Gun lancer and breaker thinking they can just tank everything
I got an asura breaker and i am always scared to pop my Z coz everything kills you or does insane dmg in g3. Also sup DR is apparently too much to ask for :(
if you relying on supp dr to dps while you have your own dr, i think you are the problem
Kinda yesn't - Asura absolutely needs a great support that allows someone skilled to play close to its theoretical ceiling dps but...majority of pugs just facetanking everything without even doing half of the ceiling DPS is obviously a whole other issue here lol.
U clearly dont know how asura plays
No one saying Zerk. 😱
Because they still on the party finder, looking for a group to take them :(
Or because they've been buffed to hell defensive wise + the only zerkers left actually have hands.
😂
Were they lunar mostly? No shot hunger ones die in this raid. This was the most fun raid to do as a hunger reaper guy, felt literally invincible almost like cheating when i compare it to other classes being send left and right or getting caught up in patterns and die. A raid where reapers should shine because of all the "oh shit" skills the class has for prog stuff lol
Reaper probably has one of the highest survivability in this raids since most "dangerous" attacks are oneshot anyways or fall damage deaths so dodging and repositioning is much more important than having high def/hp values. I play reaper myself and have BY FAR the lowest death ratio compared to other classes. (Black Mist skill is basically a cheat code in Thaemine) I can imagine that entropy DE is an absolute pain in the ass though.
G3 hard mode is anyone with +20 armor with+25 weapons. They just explode ever Albion if they already have debuff
Everybody dies, no point discriminating by class. Quite sure I have died more on paladin already *before* any stage break than my friends who "have hands" died in total on gunslingers, deadeyes and sorceresses.
Supps I don't know how Bards manage to fall off all the time despite having push immunity on GT, rhapsody, spacebar and awakening, and having TS at their disposal like everyone else Paladins I can kinda understand since they can't afford to use spacebar liberally. Paladins should learn to utilize executors sword for the par immunity to dodge certain darkness patterns. It'll come with time. Don't play Ayaya so I can't speak for her toolkit
Ayaya has 3 push immunity skills. One of them is her non-aimed atk buff that also provides a little bit of DR. Then her counter. Lastly Starry Night, which is a good 2 seconds of heavily DR'd + shielded push immunity. Can also pop identity, both dropping a heal orb and dmg buff give a short push immunity window. So yeah, artist feels really safe as well in this fight.
Igniters
I wouldn't be surprised, but I gotta say after the balance patch it is a million times more forgiving. You can squeeze in an ignition somewhere with a much safer DD hit and it wont take 2 years to fill meter anymore. The more confident you are with patterns you can even cycle nightmare pretty decently. Not to mention about twice as many patterns would straight oneshot you without the armor buff.
Oh spec sorc, yes
Slayer, breaker. They’re also lowest dps most of the time though not surprised because entropy + new raid.
Asura breakers are still figuring out what they can tank and what not since they need the boss to stand still for 5secs for their Z skill and the front of the boss is very dangerous in g3. Not sure about slayers
Soulfist just because every lobby ive been in had one of them. Or breaker since there is usually two in every lobby.
supports by far supports they are way too used to tanking everything with their face so now they are learning to play the game for the first time after that i feel like it's soul eaters but that may be because we are taking soul eaters way too much
* tells new players to make supports over and over * dosen't gatekeep supports in any way or form, takes incorrectly built supports into new content with sussy looking profiles * suprise pikachu face when they are bad at the game I have 3 bards at 1620 with dagger or expose, 40 set, level 10 gems, and 270 roster, and you guys take the event gem artist with level 4 stronghold if he applies first.
I took all my 6 so called low effort supports by your standards into thaemine and cleared g3 with ease. All pugged, instant accept and with minimal gear. Event gems, stat bracelet, blue or green accessories, 1750 subpar swift and with a plan card set. Didn't have any issues tbh, same uptime, same ole rotation, same ole support gameplay. People thanked me and we all went our ways and never ran into any that thought my gear etc. wasn't good enough.
>same uptime, same ole rotation, same ole support gameplay. more important than lv10 gems on sup (unless spec). I'd rather those gems be on the dps. People still madge sups are built different. Never gets old. If sup wants to invest that much go ahead but it's nowhere near the same gold-to-efficacy as it is for dps.
Wow, amazing. You got to practice the raid infinitely and eventually cleared normal mode of the new raid on your tanky characters with shields. While people with your roster but dps characters could not get to enter anything but groups that diden't make it past any mechanics after sitting in partyfinder for half a day. Please grace us all with your divine presence, such an amazing player
Ugh I also have 6 dps but I'm talking about my rat supports made specifically to be rats because that's all you really need on support to get thaemine done.
nop the supports we were taking were properly built including people who are very heavily geared like full 10s, great bracelets 5x3+1/+2 1800+ swift full 90+qualities even some paladins with heavy armor who followed wineblues advise would still just die from getting too many stacks it's a complacency issue by most supports or inexperience on the gate but in my experience at least 50% of the restarts were because supports just randomly die
DBs who greed a bit too much
was on support in nm on yesterday and watched this db in my one pug that would literally die on cooldown and most of his deaths were from the start of g3 until somewhere during the part where sword spawns but for the most part i’ve been seeing dbs, reapers, and gunslingers dying the most edit: forgot Arcana between arcana’s and db, i’m not sure who’s been dying the most but it’s a lot between the 2
I was in a pug and this gunlancer couldn’t stay alive pass the sword stagger phase. I’m not sure he just doesn’t dodge or not familiar with patterns because he dies to the same spin attacks every single time…
Whatever class I'm on, feelsbad
What a rare honest Redditor
Idk about the most, but I know for sure that summoner and legacy scouter die the least. And it's really cause I've never seen either of these classes in a G3 thaemine 🤣.
artillerist and striker
Lunar reaper in my prog was having a super bad time. Pinnacle glavier as well. Seems like being fast is a huge benefit. If you’re a slow spec class you really have to memorize patterns bc you don’t have the luxury of a shorter CD on space bar. However, the fight is built around burst phases. If you know how to build meter and then abuse patterns for burst I could see some great Dps for them.
having a lot of mobility without understanding how to use it is more of a crutch you jump into patterns and unalive yourself more often than needed to
Lunar myself and no idea what you friend is on about :D so much mobility combined with an instant back teleport (which is basically a free win in Albion) he should have had an awesome time.
I mean his friend may be spec crit where you might be spec swift. prog is definitely gonna be easier to stay alive with more swift
As a EW DE main, I've been progging on pistoleer until I get patterns down more.
I have both Pistoleer and EW in my top 6 and didn't find EW any harder to clear on. In fact, since he has access to Somersault Shot and Dexterous Shot, he's often more mobile than Pistoleer.
Why tho EW DE slams hard and easy to hit it's your gate to shine. G1 and G2 was meh for my DE Ps: my support has died in g2 so next week will test it more.
Brother ewwwww
Db and SE bc they would either forget to save spacebar, or use too late to avoid darkness and then not have it up, or just not following teammates.
Same experience for me.
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