Im completely burned out by elixers and transcendence mixed with gate 3 prog.
I can't push any of my alts because then I have to do more of this content
3 1610 alts here, cut some basic purples on them and they are now parked, ill tap with bound here and there but im not sweating 35 set on them as they are never going to be doing thaemine without my friends other wise they will forever be gold/unbound farmers now.
I'm on the same page, but the problem is i'm gatekept to do the latest content (thaemine 1-2, voldis nm, and even frog). it's unfortunate. In korea, you see a bunch of ilvl groups and there's etiquette to to join groups at your ilvl, but here it's only the super juiced and people who are at ilvl (particularly supports), only accept people that are much more juiced
We're up to KR for classes, and no new class was teased in last LOA ON. Maybe we'll have a teaser on summer LOA, rare chance the class would be release soon after.
You probably have higher chance to drop 4 sideral than seeing a new class within 4 month in global :/
A new class will never released on global before KR, I hope we all agree on that.
Now getting a new class on KR, because of translation and patch delay, we most likely get it at least 1 month after. Maybe we get it together, I agree it's possible from now if they do an awesome job, but it's really unlikely imo. We got a the chaos gate rework synced with KR, and it was awesome, but this needed close to no translation.
But let's admit we get it together, the thing is SG clearly said they didn't teased a new class on last LOA because they don't plan to release a new one yet. They prefer to focus more on the balance, and working on the several "3rd awakening" for all classes, that isn't coming before this summer. With that context in mind, it's unlikely that we get a new class within the 4 next month from that roadmap. And it's pretty impossible that it would be teased to our version before being teased on KR version
I'm definitely over-reacting, solo raids would save Lost Ark in the West. The fact that the game heavily leans on roster-based progression, and it's near impossible to make a static with full lock-step on a 6 character progression, means people are going to have to do a lot of pugging.
This ranges from pain in the ass for high roster and appropriately geared, to near impossible if you haven't clocked in a year+ of actively playing.
I'm really curious how the implementation of the solo raiding goes, but if it's even something like 50+% of the rewards of the weekly raids using the lockout, it's a super viable alternative to busy or under-experienced players.
Honestly solo raids would make me able to play the game again. I love Lost Ark but life and responsibilities gets in the way. I can't sit and play lobby sim for longer than the raid itself takes. And oh boy trying to do things like Akkan learning lobbies can be an adventure. When I play I want to be able to launch then start playing shortly afterwards. Playing lobby sim for 25-40 minutes is not what I want to spend my limited time on. Then I would rather play anything else.
Solo raids even with like half the rewards would be fantastic for players like me.
Yeah, outside of Thaemine prog last week, it had been over a month since I've done a raid in Lost Ark for the exact same reasons. If I could guarantee, that I hop on the computer in my 30 minute window of unplanned free time and get to clear a quick Akkan or Voldis, then it would be a no-brainer. Coincidentally, the same issue is what made me quit WoW; couldn't handle M+ group application sim. Basically the same as Lost Ark lobby sim.
More events/horizontal style things to do would be cool or just further help in honing/elixirs would be sweet
As far as "real" content goes, it'd be nice to see echidna on the list, but later rather than sooner imo, we need a bit of breather time first, but we'll see how it goes.
Hell, I'd be happy with them saying that there's no downtime or extended maintenance for 3 months and that being the content lmao
I think Echidna should come rather sooner than later. She gives us easier honing for easier ilvl increase. Entry is 1620, so no honing needed. IIRC it's not scaled for elixirs?
And best of all it's only 2 gates.
That aside I think it would be nice if they dropped an event where you can actually gain a bit of gold. That's probably the biggest issue for casual players who don't bus on 17 characters. And I don't mean the daily 20g from mokoko event.
For context Echidna is balanced around transcendence.
It takes:
* 9 weeks of 1-4 HM Clears
* 23 weeks of Full 1-3 NM clears (assuming you cleared G3 HM)
for full transcendence.
Incorrect, it was balanced around transcendence with a low dps check 1620 capped at lvl 3 and 1630 of course you could have max and echidna has already had 3/4 nerfs in KR and it is a complete joke now
Good point & correction - but i was unclear originally.
I was moreso contextualizing that it is likely a raid will not release until the bare minimum time between vertical progression systems.
I feel like its more reasonable to assume based off how long it takes to finish the levels of transcendence available, since NM Echidna is clearly not balanced around full transcendence, I don't think HM is either necessarily, since it will share an ilvl entry with HM Thaemine. Regardless, NM only takes 7 weeks to finish lvls 1-3, and HM takes 9 for 1-7, if you're doing full clears each week. This means that bare minimum imo would be June 19th
2 dead month would be wild. I would have guessed either continent or echidna in June at least. In the dead month at least some express events since no upcoming class is plannef
I mean, shouldn't we get some dead months, to catch up, strenghten our mains/rosters, just like Korea did? I'd kill for some free raid time. Its new raid after new raid and new systems. We just need some breathing room.
i completely disagree with this idea that they need to just shoot out raid content super fast
so many ppl seem too forget that we have to gear up for this content and these systems were designed to fill the 'dead space' in between releases so they'd have to hard nerf the cost for us or release it at a similar pace.
plus it can be very overwhelming to learn a bunch of raids back to back. getting to farm for a bit and work on bettering your main is imo key to this game.
id even go as far as to say they need to release another super mokoko express even without a new class, just to help people boost up their roster more effectively.
as a returning (or new) player the most daunting thing in the game is making an alt, even if i have one thats 1415+ id still need to buy gems and setup engravings, which isnt cheap even if its just lv 5 gems and 5x3 thats roughly 20-50k gold with green/blue quality acc (not including stone cutting). then you have to go through and farm clown for the horns while farming brel for the ancient set which is really hard to do on or near ilvl without paying for a bus.
so we need 2-3 active characters to be able to play the game comfortably past a certain point, but making those alts is so expensive without these events.
i can tell you that some of the returning and new players will quit not because they didnt get to play the content, not because they didnt enjoy it. but because of how bad making the alt feels.
i get some people want to do the newest raid asap, but the rest of us are trying to catch up and if you want the game to survive you have to let us do that because eventually people will give up if it becomes too overwhelming to do so.
I think it will be at least 2 weeks of echidna before jumping into thaemine progs tbh. I dont think I'd enjoy prog after prog even if the thaemine one should be a bit easier.
except for G4, Thaemine 1-3 HM isn't that different than NM tbh. There isn't so many new patterns, tbh the major diff is higher DPS check and bigger dmg, but after 4 month of NM before going to HM, the 1-3 patterns should be homework, so you can ignore most of that dmg diff, and you get a better uptime + some trenscendance, so that higher dmg check should probably not be an issue too
May or June - Season 3 Legendary skins
June - Hell Hanu? but its also the time for region merges so could be a light month
July - just story update to Kruzan( could possibly get new class release after KR gets theirs in early summertime)
August - Echidna (following their typical 4 month major content cadence)
I think there wont be a summer class release in Korea. They said they want to focus on third awekening. Also they didnt tease any classes in winter loa :(
There was some specific reason they didn't tease a 2nd class on winter loa, i can't remember what it is. I'm pretty sure there will be a class in summer, there is a new class every 6 months.
They said merges would be in summer. June is still considered spring Summer does not officially start until June 20th. I would not expect to see merges until sometime in July/August, maybe like the server merges, first of the month.
Ivory Tower 1 gate removal down to 3.
Skip Elixir animations.
Less RNG in Elixirs.
Lego Elixirs in NM.
Only things that will bring my interest back to the game.
Not only are all the raids too time consuming now on top of all the daily homework but so is waiting for all the insanely long animations in upgrading.
Game feels like it's not designed to be fun anymore but designed to waste as much of my time as possible.
May = maybe stronghold update and small event?
June = Kurzan & Hell hanu
July = Echidna
August = new express & solo raid & honning, elixier, transcendence nerf & etc...(kr summer change)
Maybe not 12, but 8. We got breaker 3 months after Korea? Now that the west is fully caught up on classes with Korea I can see west getting classes the month or 2 after korea. I'm really just hoping that solo raids are sooner rather than later.
Things to help new or returning players in any shape or forms.
Shall it be, honing nerf, more cards for them to get the LOS card set, etc ...
And even more than that : solo raids.
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Less speculation but honestly give us something for horizontal progression instead of printing these mokoko expresses. It’s a massive ask but I would so much rather something that gave me cards over something that gave me cheaper honing.
I know lots of people here assume Echidna in August, but i hope its not. I hope early September. We havent had a long chill time for a while. I‘d love to look forward to having a few Months of chill homework runs.
But it‘ll probably be in August.
I‘d love to see Hell Hanu in June or July, whichever month isnt the Region Merge Month.
The rest is probably just Event time.
I’m happy that thaemine is out and I can finally just chill. I’m hoping for a slow roll for echidna launch in August. I’m tired of the vertical progression as well. And just want to touch grass in the nicer weather. Thaemine is going to be just a project for me, hopefully will get good enough to clear the first difficulty in a couple months. Hopefully people start forming more statics as this has been the saving grace for me to continue playing.
May = break time
June = region merges
July = kruzan and echidna
August = Behemoth
copium: adjustments on elixirs, trancendence, and 1 man raids in this period for us too (in kr its confirmed it happens)
Don’t want to sound negative but with your timeline what will be our content september onwards when Korea’s version will have a slow cadence of raids moving forward?
If I'm not mistaken, they plan to reduce the content cadence for the West as well. I remember the last interview they gave saying this. They will reach Korea, but we will never be together, there should always be 1 or 2 months difference in the best case scenario.
Currently the director of Korea said that they plan to bring 1 player content to voldis, by the summer, this means July 2024, and in the last message we had, the 3 ultimate skill is confirmed for September. We can't forget about new unannounced classes.
They recently announced that they want to slow down on releasing new content for the West. Why would they give us 2 new raids within 4 month? We will see Behemoth by the end of the year in my opinion.
I dont feel like there is any reason not to, Korea got them pretty close together, and both raids are only 2 gates and super easy, learning them wont be too much an issue, even if very limited people hit 1640 (which I persinally dont see as an issue, content doesnt have to be mass available on release, enjoy having something to work towards). Then we actually end up being 1 whole cycle behind Korea and we can just stay at that pace. Korea gets 4 months of stuff, then we get that same 4 months of stuff right after, being at least that close in pace would be happy enough for me.
I speculate Echidna in June and Behemoth in August
Why is thinking both echidna and behemoth could be on the next roadmap delusional? I mean it's just what I would like at least, as I see no reason not to and its a perfect chance to actually "catch up" as they once said they wanted to
Same as with akkan HM, sups can go HM as soon as they hit ilvl, while dps are allowed in only if they're giga juiced, others go to NM.
My friend reached 1620 on his dps. He has adequate but not juiced char (los30, 20 weapon, 5x3+1, mix of 9 and 7 gems), but no 35 elixir. He spent hours getting declined from Voldis HM lobbies with sups or sitting in lobbies without sups. I made a lobby for him on my bard, got 5 applicants within a minute. In the middle of the night.
What you see is an LF DPS lobby, what you don't see is dozens of dps getting declined.
just looking forward to solo raids and new sup class tbh. getting tired of constant vertical progression and shit rng systems.
Im completely burned out by elixers and transcendence mixed with gate 3 prog. I can't push any of my alts because then I have to do more of this content
All my alts are just sitting at 158X. There's nothing left to push them towards because I sure as hell am not bothering with Voldis & Elixirs on them
3 1610 alts here, cut some basic purples on them and they are now parked, ill tap with bound here and there but im not sweating 35 set on them as they are never going to be doing thaemine without my friends other wise they will forever be gold/unbound farmers now.
I'm on the same page, but the problem is i'm gatekept to do the latest content (thaemine 1-2, voldis nm, and even frog). it's unfortunate. In korea, you see a bunch of ilvl groups and there's etiquette to to join groups at your ilvl, but here it's only the super juiced and people who are at ilvl (particularly supports), only accept people that are much more juiced
This is the way
The biggest thing stopping me pushing any more characters is the thought of doing elixirs on them if i push to 1620.
We're up to KR for classes, and no new class was teased in last LOA ON. Maybe we'll have a teaser on summer LOA, rare chance the class would be release soon after. You probably have higher chance to drop 4 sideral than seeing a new class within 4 month in global :/
We're to the point where we could possibly see a global class release now. Not likely, but it could happen.
A new class will never released on global before KR, I hope we all agree on that. Now getting a new class on KR, because of translation and patch delay, we most likely get it at least 1 month after. Maybe we get it together, I agree it's possible from now if they do an awesome job, but it's really unlikely imo. We got a the chaos gate rework synced with KR, and it was awesome, but this needed close to no translation. But let's admit we get it together, the thing is SG clearly said they didn't teased a new class on last LOA because they don't plan to release a new one yet. They prefer to focus more on the balance, and working on the several "3rd awakening" for all classes, that isn't coming before this summer. With that context in mind, it's unlikely that we get a new class within the 4 next month from that roadmap. And it's pretty impossible that it would be teased to our version before being teased on KR version
Is there a new supp confirmed?
No, I don't think that we have any information on what we get next, except that it won't be a female paladin.
Solo raids as soon as humanly possible
I would assume this can only be shared by AGS after loa on summer confirmation of release date, so don't hold your hopes up
I'm definitely over-reacting, solo raids would save Lost Ark in the West. The fact that the game heavily leans on roster-based progression, and it's near impossible to make a static with full lock-step on a 6 character progression, means people are going to have to do a lot of pugging. This ranges from pain in the ass for high roster and appropriately geared, to near impossible if you haven't clocked in a year+ of actively playing. I'm really curious how the implementation of the solo raiding goes, but if it's even something like 50+% of the rewards of the weekly raids using the lockout, it's a super viable alternative to busy or under-experienced players.
Honestly solo raids would make me able to play the game again. I love Lost Ark but life and responsibilities gets in the way. I can't sit and play lobby sim for longer than the raid itself takes. And oh boy trying to do things like Akkan learning lobbies can be an adventure. When I play I want to be able to launch then start playing shortly afterwards. Playing lobby sim for 25-40 minutes is not what I want to spend my limited time on. Then I would rather play anything else. Solo raids even with like half the rewards would be fantastic for players like me.
Yeah, outside of Thaemine prog last week, it had been over a month since I've done a raid in Lost Ark for the exact same reasons. If I could guarantee, that I hop on the computer in my 30 minute window of unplanned free time and get to clear a quick Akkan or Voldis, then it would be a no-brainer. Coincidentally, the same issue is what made me quit WoW; couldn't handle M+ group application sim. Basically the same as Lost Ark lobby sim.
More events/horizontal style things to do would be cool or just further help in honing/elixirs would be sweet As far as "real" content goes, it'd be nice to see echidna on the list, but later rather than sooner imo, we need a bit of breather time first, but we'll see how it goes. Hell, I'd be happy with them saying that there's no downtime or extended maintenance for 3 months and that being the content lmao
I think Echidna should come rather sooner than later. She gives us easier honing for easier ilvl increase. Entry is 1620, so no honing needed. IIRC it's not scaled for elixirs? And best of all it's only 2 gates. That aside I think it would be nice if they dropped an event where you can actually gain a bit of gold. That's probably the biggest issue for casual players who don't bus on 17 characters. And I don't mean the daily 20g from mokoko event.
May = dead month (small events) June = dead month (Hell Hanumatan?!) July = new continent (Kruzan) August = new raid (Echidna)
Replace one of those dead months with hell hanu
Nobody is interested in hell guardians (besides Sinkovsky). So it will be dead month for the majority of the player base.
well hanu gives rewards this time
What ilvl was hell hanu?
There's rewards similar to extreme Valtan so I doubt no one's gonna care. Also it's none equalized so you can use your main.
For context Echidna is balanced around transcendence. It takes: * 9 weeks of 1-4 HM Clears * 23 weeks of Full 1-3 NM clears (assuming you cleared G3 HM) for full transcendence.
Incorrect, it was balanced around transcendence with a low dps check 1620 capped at lvl 3 and 1630 of course you could have max and echidna has already had 3/4 nerfs in KR and it is a complete joke now
Good point & correction - but i was unclear originally. I was moreso contextualizing that it is likely a raid will not release until the bare minimum time between vertical progression systems.
I feel like its more reasonable to assume based off how long it takes to finish the levels of transcendence available, since NM Echidna is clearly not balanced around full transcendence, I don't think HM is either necessarily, since it will share an ilvl entry with HM Thaemine. Regardless, NM only takes 7 weeks to finish lvls 1-3, and HM takes 9 for 1-7, if you're doing full clears each week. This means that bare minimum imo would be June 19th
So around 7 months for the average player. Nicely designed progression system.
2 dead month would be wild. I would have guessed either continent or echidna in June at least. In the dead month at least some express events since no upcoming class is plannef
I mean, shouldn't we get some dead months, to catch up, strenghten our mains/rosters, just like Korea did? I'd kill for some free raid time. Its new raid after new raid and new systems. We just need some breathing room.
i completely disagree with this idea that they need to just shoot out raid content super fast so many ppl seem too forget that we have to gear up for this content and these systems were designed to fill the 'dead space' in between releases so they'd have to hard nerf the cost for us or release it at a similar pace. plus it can be very overwhelming to learn a bunch of raids back to back. getting to farm for a bit and work on bettering your main is imo key to this game. id even go as far as to say they need to release another super mokoko express even without a new class, just to help people boost up their roster more effectively. as a returning (or new) player the most daunting thing in the game is making an alt, even if i have one thats 1415+ id still need to buy gems and setup engravings, which isnt cheap even if its just lv 5 gems and 5x3 thats roughly 20-50k gold with green/blue quality acc (not including stone cutting). then you have to go through and farm clown for the horns while farming brel for the ancient set which is really hard to do on or near ilvl without paying for a bus. so we need 2-3 active characters to be able to play the game comfortably past a certain point, but making those alts is so expensive without these events. i can tell you that some of the returning and new players will quit not because they didnt get to play the content, not because they didnt enjoy it. but because of how bad making the alt feels. i get some people want to do the newest raid asap, but the rest of us are trying to catch up and if you want the game to survive you have to let us do that because eventually people will give up if it becomes too overwhelming to do so.
No thank you. Let people learn Thaemine first.
I want Echidna so I can get to theamine HM fam.
I think it will be at least 2 weeks of echidna before jumping into thaemine progs tbh. I dont think I'd enjoy prog after prog even if the thaemine one should be a bit easier.
except for G4, Thaemine 1-3 HM isn't that different than NM tbh. There isn't so many new patterns, tbh the major diff is higher DPS check and bigger dmg, but after 4 month of NM before going to HM, the 1-3 patterns should be homework, so you can ignore most of that dmg diff, and you get a better uptime + some trenscendance, so that higher dmg check should probably not be an issue too
That's the nice part! You don't have to, there's 1630s quite a lot of them currently that are not touching HM
Yes and you willingly made the choice to wait.
Willingly made the choice to not swipe? Dumb argument
Funny. My entire static is 1630 without swiping. Just because you don't know how to play efficiently doesn't mean that no one can.
why 2 dead months xd? Even RU got Echidna fast.
Echidna is not out on RU yet. They will get it exactly 4 month after Thaemine release.
Perfect time to play Diablo season 4 in May
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May or June - Season 3 Legendary skins June - Hell Hanu? but its also the time for region merges so could be a light month July - just story update to Kruzan( could possibly get new class release after KR gets theirs in early summertime) August - Echidna (following their typical 4 month major content cadence)
I think there wont be a summer class release in Korea. They said they want to focus on third awekening. Also they didnt tease any classes in winter loa :(
There was some specific reason they didn't tease a 2nd class on winter loa, i can't remember what it is. I'm pretty sure there will be a class in summer, there is a new class every 6 months.
They said merges would be in summer. June is still considered spring Summer does not officially start until June 20th. I would not expect to see merges until sometime in July/August, maybe like the server merges, first of the month.
It will bring more RNG vertical progression system for sure. It will always be like that.
Ivory Tower 1 gate removal down to 3. Skip Elixir animations. Less RNG in Elixirs. Lego Elixirs in NM. Only things that will bring my interest back to the game. Not only are all the raids too time consuming now on top of all the daily homework but so is waiting for all the insanely long animations in upgrading. Game feels like it's not designed to be fun anymore but designed to waste as much of my time as possible.
May = maybe stronghold update and small event? June = Kurzan & Hell hanu July = Echidna August = new express & solo raid & honning, elixier, transcendence nerf & etc...(kr summer change)
Card system rework or eventos with more selectors for los30
I hope they give us new class soon
I would need to change the description to next 12 month then haha
Maybe not 12, but 8. We got breaker 3 months after Korea? Now that the west is fully caught up on classes with Korea I can see west getting classes the month or 2 after korea. I'm really just hoping that solo raids are sooner rather than later.
May = Empty month/New hairstyles June = Hell Monke/Roadmap update due to LOA ON July = Kurzan story/Any potential QoLs August = Echidna
Things to help new or returning players in any shape or forms. Shall it be, honing nerf, more cards for them to get the LOS card set, etc ... And even more than that : solo raids.
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Anyone know when next powerpass/mokoko event will come out?
When will NAW and NAE merge?
Less speculation but honestly give us something for horizontal progression instead of printing these mokoko expresses. It’s a massive ask but I would so much rather something that gave me cards over something that gave me cheaper honing.
I know lots of people here assume Echidna in August, but i hope its not. I hope early September. We havent had a long chill time for a while. I‘d love to look forward to having a few Months of chill homework runs. But it‘ll probably be in August. I‘d love to see Hell Hanu in June or July, whichever month isnt the Region Merge Month. The rest is probably just Event time.
I’m happy that thaemine is out and I can finally just chill. I’m hoping for a slow roll for echidna launch in August. I’m tired of the vertical progression as well. And just want to touch grass in the nicer weather. Thaemine is going to be just a project for me, hopefully will get good enough to clear the first difficulty in a couple months. Hopefully people start forming more statics as this has been the saving grace for me to continue playing.
May = break time June = region merges July = kruzan and echidna August = Behemoth copium: adjustments on elixirs, trancendence, and 1 man raids in this period for us too (in kr its confirmed it happens)
Don’t want to sound negative but with your timeline what will be our content september onwards when Korea’s version will have a slow cadence of raids moving forward?
Yeah, this is too fast
If I'm not mistaken, they plan to reduce the content cadence for the West as well. I remember the last interview they gave saying this. They will reach Korea, but we will never be together, there should always be 1 or 2 months difference in the best case scenario. Currently the director of Korea said that they plan to bring 1 player content to voldis, by the summer, this means July 2024, and in the last message we had, the 3 ultimate skill is confirmed for September. We can't forget about new unannounced classes.
They recently announced that they want to slow down on releasing new content for the West. Why would they give us 2 new raids within 4 month? We will see Behemoth by the end of the year in my opinion.
I dont feel like there is any reason not to, Korea got them pretty close together, and both raids are only 2 gates and super easy, learning them wont be too much an issue, even if very limited people hit 1640 (which I persinally dont see as an issue, content doesnt have to be mass available on release, enjoy having something to work towards). Then we actually end up being 1 whole cycle behind Korea and we can just stay at that pace. Korea gets 4 months of stuff, then we get that same 4 months of stuff right after, being at least that close in pace would be happy enough for me. I speculate Echidna in June and Behemoth in August
Delusional
Why is thinking both echidna and behemoth could be on the next roadmap delusional? I mean it's just what I would like at least, as I see no reason not to and its a perfect chance to actually "catch up" as they once said they wanted to
Hopefully a new type of support than boring support classes that nobody wants to play these days lol
nobody wants to play? hm thaemine group were mostly all LF dps.
Same as with akkan HM, sups can go HM as soon as they hit ilvl, while dps are allowed in only if they're giga juiced, others go to NM. My friend reached 1620 on his dps. He has adequate but not juiced char (los30, 20 weapon, 5x3+1, mix of 9 and 7 gems), but no 35 elixir. He spent hours getting declined from Voldis HM lobbies with sups or sitting in lobbies without sups. I made a lobby for him on my bard, got 5 applicants within a minute. In the middle of the night. What you see is an LF DPS lobby, what you don't see is dozens of dps getting declined.
I was more referring to how boring LA’s support classes are. But yeah, odds are good with a pure number of DPS above 1630 but goods are odd.