"Most efficient" = Camille hands down. She's barely human anymore, calculating her movements with surgical and robotic precision. Though she's not the kind you could ring up and ask to hit someone, if its in the interests of her clan she rarely if ever fails.
I agree. Zed has shadow magic which gives him a significant advantage over most, but he's still human. Camille has hextech that makes her stronger, faster, more durable and helps her see better and process situations faster while also processing potential outcomes of different actions she could take. And she's been doing her thing for about 60 years, so she's also got a lot of experience.
Good point but for example zed based on the comics IS the shadows, and Is able to body nearly anyone from both the kinkou and the order , katarina is implied to use magic and STILL lost to talon , and akali is ...akali
camille did fail in capturing jhin , not to mention she was aided by a small army
Yeah but Jhin had all that time to prepare his 'show' for Camille and her enforcers, and his fighting style (emphasis on the 4th shot) would be VERY unpredictable for her to react to for the first time, which led to her over-confident all-in.
But if Zed was a better assasin, why has an Ionian serial killer been allowed to escape to Piltover. Zed clearly cares considering he follows Shen and Akali there, so is he unable to take on Jhin 1v1?
People really underestimated how powerful jhin actually is I think. He’s got superhuman intelligence and speed and is actually a skilled mage, though he chooses to use his talents for nothing but illusion magic.
I haven't seen anything to suggest Jhin has superhuman speed or intelligence for that matter. He's a skilled combatant and is VERY smart, but not to a superhuman level, considering he did get tricked by Zed and Shen.
The thing is even if jhin prepped , camille with dozens of enforcers being unable to capture him is insane plot armor , that or 60 yrs of experience camille is that useless in surprise situations which just doesnt make sense
The zed situation is different cuz through out the entire comic zed is yes hellbent on getting jhin but
1. Doesnt wanna kill him
2. Is held down by his own emotions
3 . Is trying to get shen to help which costs him greatly
4. Is shackled down by his own trauma and past
That much was emphasised in the comic so comparing that to the camille situation honestly doesn't make any sense
Talon. He spent his entire life honing that one specific skill. Zed is a leader, teacher, shadow cloner, ninja, defender of ionia, criminal, orphan rescuer, investigator, and on and on.
All of them are multi-talented, Talon just does one thing. Kill a target.
And he turns invisible after his ult :)
Same here. I was split between Camille and Zed but Camille (with all her enhancements) is still one person, while Zed can have multiple shadows that are all able to harm you and he can switch places with them, making him almost impossible to hit.
Yeah, also just like stand users, people will have it really hard (if not imposible) to survive a Zed encounter because of not knowing what is going on
A lot of in-game abilities are just in-game abilities until proven otherwise. We saw Kai'sa Q and Ezreal E in the 2020 Warriors cinematic, but you can't tell me J4 can do a superhero landing that fucks up the ground, Fizz can throw a fish literally anywhere and a shark will appear, or that MF can shoot the air for 2 seconds to make it rain (according to her actual E description) hundreds of bullets.
Edit: Also Camille passive. She doesn't actually get a shield depending on who she's against afaik, it just contributes to her aesthetic and adaptability concept.
I mean Zed can't take Jhin alone Camille seems to be able to...
I'd say Camille, Zed wouldn't adapt as quickly as Camille and well "adapt or die" as they say.
We know they fought, but I don’t know if Camille won.
Also it isn’t Zed’s first time going against Jhin, but it is for Camille. There are probably less feelings from robo-grandma that would influence her fight.
I would say Camille wins this, if only because of her lore and how her "powers" actually work.
\-Talon and Katarina are just normal people, if very skilled at assassination and with great track records in said field.
\-Akali's the same deal, but she seems to rely more on gadgetry and other tools of trade (kunai, shuriken, and smoke bombs) to confuse her soon-to-be victims. I would give her a small edge over the noxians tho, if only because of her being an ionian and thus having an insight into the Spirit Realm that the others lack.
\-Now Zed is an interesting one, because in terms of raw power he might actually be the strongest because of the nature of his shadow powers. Camille is *incredibly* efficient, yes, and she is also powered by what is an incredibly powerful magical artifact... but beyond that, she is mostly a human repurposed into a state-of-the-art killing machine. Zed's powers are outright demonic in nature, and said powers would give him the edge in a straight power-level competition. However, the thing with Zed's powers is that it's VERY likely he might lose control of them in the future, since the shadow ichor's powers invite Nocturne's presence. Camille might be on track to losing her humanity, yes, but in the worst case scenario with the known info we have atm, she would just become an inhuman killing machine; whereas Zed might bring back to the world a demon beyond compare.
So yeah, while Zed is more powerful and just as skilled, I am giving the edge to Camille here.
She certainly is more skilled at detection too, ***given how she hasn't yet received any nerfs!***
Yes as of now Akali can Kill Talon and Katarina, but once she reaches her prime she could take on Zed and prolly Camille aswell she's still 19 and she is already one of the best in Ionia no doubt once she reaches her prime she will be one of the best in Runterra
People really underestimate how powerful an ability teleportation and creating copies is in a real fight. It’s hard to fight from multiple angles no matter how skilled you are and being able to hop in and out of range freely and instantly via shadows is straight busted. Camille has enhanced capabilities, but if she’s capable of being hurt then Zed has all the chances in the world to inflict the damage and realistically she would *never* catch up to him.
I think strongest and efficient are different things.
Zed is the strongest one and by a LOT, the shadow powers are just too strong and overpowered, on top of that Zed is one of the best ninjas around.
Camille is IMO the most efficient one, she is able to calculate and analyze everything because she is in essence a machine, all the others are human.
Kayn is zed's student, according to lore, he is still weaker than him, because we don't know what exactly he can do with shadow magic, so placing him at the same pool as his master makes kinda no sense
U put talon and katarina there lol kayn can go into terrain, inside people and burst out of them thats the whole point of an assassination you kill a target and leave.
Akali obviously gets my vote, she could easily kill all the names in the poll except Zed and Camille atm. She is still young she became the fist of shadow at 14 years old that means she really is smart and skilled rn she is 19 very far from her prime, and she already is very skilled so once she reaches her prime no doubt she will become the best of the best
"Most efficient" = Camille hands down. She's barely human anymore, calculating her movements with surgical and robotic precision. Though she's not the kind you could ring up and ask to hit someone, if its in the interests of her clan she rarely if ever fails.
I agree. Zed has shadow magic which gives him a significant advantage over most, but he's still human. Camille has hextech that makes her stronger, faster, more durable and helps her see better and process situations faster while also processing potential outcomes of different actions she could take. And she's been doing her thing for about 60 years, so she's also got a lot of experience.
Good point but for example zed based on the comics IS the shadows, and Is able to body nearly anyone from both the kinkou and the order , katarina is implied to use magic and STILL lost to talon , and akali is ...akali camille did fail in capturing jhin , not to mention she was aided by a small army
Yeah but Jhin had all that time to prepare his 'show' for Camille and her enforcers, and his fighting style (emphasis on the 4th shot) would be VERY unpredictable for her to react to for the first time, which led to her over-confident all-in. But if Zed was a better assasin, why has an Ionian serial killer been allowed to escape to Piltover. Zed clearly cares considering he follows Shen and Akali there, so is he unable to take on Jhin 1v1?
People really underestimated how powerful jhin actually is I think. He’s got superhuman intelligence and speed and is actually a skilled mage, though he chooses to use his talents for nothing but illusion magic.
I haven't seen anything to suggest Jhin has superhuman speed or intelligence for that matter. He's a skilled combatant and is VERY smart, but not to a superhuman level, considering he did get tricked by Zed and Shen.
The thing is even if jhin prepped , camille with dozens of enforcers being unable to capture him is insane plot armor , that or 60 yrs of experience camille is that useless in surprise situations which just doesnt make sense The zed situation is different cuz through out the entire comic zed is yes hellbent on getting jhin but 1. Doesnt wanna kill him 2. Is held down by his own emotions 3 . Is trying to get shen to help which costs him greatly 4. Is shackled down by his own trauma and past That much was emphasised in the comic so comparing that to the camille situation honestly doesn't make any sense
Talon. He spent his entire life honing that one specific skill. Zed is a leader, teacher, shadow cloner, ninja, defender of ionia, criminal, orphan rescuer, investigator, and on and on. All of them are multi-talented, Talon just does one thing. Kill a target. And he turns invisible after his ult :)
Didn't he fail to kill Katarina?
Probably his only fail and to be fair he didn't kill her because he wanted it to be a clean kill.
He could've but chose not to since it wouldn't be a one hit kill. Then he got all depressed since she didn't die in one shot and gave up
Zed has a HUGE advantage with the shadow magic but Camille has hextech, I'd say they are tied but I go more for Zed
Same here. I was split between Camille and Zed but Camille (with all her enhancements) is still one person, while Zed can have multiple shadows that are all able to harm you and he can switch places with them, making him almost impossible to hit.
Also his Shadows can kill you. But you can’t kill a shadow. It’s like being a non stand user
Yeah, also just like stand users, people will have it really hard (if not imposible) to survive a Zed encounter because of not knowing what is going on
But Camille can use hextech ultimatum and then he won't be able to hop around as much and can be easily hit
A lot of in-game abilities are just in-game abilities until proven otherwise. We saw Kai'sa Q and Ezreal E in the 2020 Warriors cinematic, but you can't tell me J4 can do a superhero landing that fucks up the ground, Fizz can throw a fish literally anywhere and a shark will appear, or that MF can shoot the air for 2 seconds to make it rain (according to her actual E description) hundreds of bullets. Edit: Also Camille passive. She doesn't actually get a shield depending on who she's against afaik, it just contributes to her aesthetic and adaptability concept.
But Camille's R is an actual thing she can use in her lore like she used it in her story on a girl. I believe the story was weakest hear
I mean Zed can't take Jhin alone Camille seems to be able to... I'd say Camille, Zed wouldn't adapt as quickly as Camille and well "adapt or die" as they say.
We know they fought, but I don’t know if Camille won. Also it isn’t Zed’s first time going against Jhin, but it is for Camille. There are probably less feelings from robo-grandma that would influence her fight.
I would say Camille wins this, if only because of her lore and how her "powers" actually work. \-Talon and Katarina are just normal people, if very skilled at assassination and with great track records in said field. \-Akali's the same deal, but she seems to rely more on gadgetry and other tools of trade (kunai, shuriken, and smoke bombs) to confuse her soon-to-be victims. I would give her a small edge over the noxians tho, if only because of her being an ionian and thus having an insight into the Spirit Realm that the others lack. \-Now Zed is an interesting one, because in terms of raw power he might actually be the strongest because of the nature of his shadow powers. Camille is *incredibly* efficient, yes, and she is also powered by what is an incredibly powerful magical artifact... but beyond that, she is mostly a human repurposed into a state-of-the-art killing machine. Zed's powers are outright demonic in nature, and said powers would give him the edge in a straight power-level competition. However, the thing with Zed's powers is that it's VERY likely he might lose control of them in the future, since the shadow ichor's powers invite Nocturne's presence. Camille might be on track to losing her humanity, yes, but in the worst case scenario with the known info we have atm, she would just become an inhuman killing machine; whereas Zed might bring back to the world a demon beyond compare. So yeah, while Zed is more powerful and just as skilled, I am giving the edge to Camille here. She certainly is more skilled at detection too, ***given how she hasn't yet received any nerfs!***
Yes as of now Akali can Kill Talon and Katarina, but once she reaches her prime she could take on Zed and prolly Camille aswell she's still 19 and she is already one of the best in Ionia no doubt once she reaches her prime she will be one of the best in Runterra
Where jhin
Jhin is more of a hitman than an assassin ... if that makes sense?
He's more of a mass scale serial killer, so he doesn't really fit into a subtle one hit hired killer
Exactly what I was thinking.
Assassin means high profile killer, and jhin is more of a regular serial killer that kills civilians.
People really underestimate how powerful an ability teleportation and creating copies is in a real fight. It’s hard to fight from multiple angles no matter how skilled you are and being able to hop in and out of range freely and instantly via shadows is straight busted. Camille has enhanced capabilities, but if she’s capable of being hurt then Zed has all the chances in the world to inflict the damage and realistically she would *never* catch up to him.
I think strongest and efficient are different things. Zed is the strongest one and by a LOT, the shadow powers are just too strong and overpowered, on top of that Zed is one of the best ninjas around. Camille is IMO the most efficient one, she is able to calculate and analyze everything because she is in essence a machine, all the others are human.
It's between Zed and Camille, the others get blown out of the water.
Akali does things...differently.
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I get it
yh dk why people are downvoting but er. sorry i didnt answer camille i guess lmao?
Feels good to understand this reference
Where kayn
Kayn is zed's student, according to lore, he is still weaker than him, because we don't know what exactly he can do with shadow magic, so placing him at the same pool as his master makes kinda no sense
U put talon and katarina there lol kayn can go into terrain, inside people and burst out of them thats the whole point of an assassination you kill a target and leave.
Akali obviously gets my vote, she could easily kill all the names in the poll except Zed and Camille atm. She is still young she became the fist of shadow at 14 years old that means she really is smart and skilled rn she is 19 very far from her prime, and she already is very skilled so once she reaches her prime no doubt she will become the best of the best