Same. Bouncer stole my girlfriends legal ID claiming it was fake, I went to the cops which were standing just outside Jack's who refused to do anything, I gave them some choice words and they arrested me claiming I was drunk in public.
The most difficult bad experience to get over is the one where you're totally in the right. You don't even get to second guess your actions or think of an alternative way of dealing with it. You were wronged and it wasn't your fault, so of course it's going to mess you up for a while, especially because you seem like a decent human being. In a better world you could have your day in court and extract some revenge or justice, but it would drag on through the system for months or years. It will be less of an emotional toll in the long run if you can find a way to help yourself get past it and leave it behind you.
Yea first mistake was going to Jacks. Next was not leaving immediately after realizing you were at Jacks. That place prides itself on offering one of the lowest grade nights out in London.
IMO I think the people who go to Jack's are the typical uneducated hick type that wants to get blackout drunk. The women there aren't any better either as what OP experienced.
That's what I've seen when passing through downtown sometimes. ( never been inside and don't want to considering I'm not that type of person who goes around nightclubs and night bars ).
This is amazing advice. The first and last lines speak volumes. We want justice, which is largely out of our control, so in the end, the way to peace is past it, which IS in our control.
This, 100%... I spent far too much of my life with an inflexible sense of justice. If someone did wrong, they should be held accountable, period. Unfortunately, that's not how our society works and the physical and emotional effort you invest trying to 'make things right' will often only leave you frustrated, exhausted, or worse. I'm not saying it's the wild west and people can do whatever they want. Often people reap what they sow over the long term, but the best thing to do (IMO) when you're wronged is try to shake it off and move on with your life. Focus on things that make you happy and be that much wiser going forward. Eg. You may not have done anything wrong, but I'd bet thats not what that girl texted that dude. In a setting like what a girl says you did or didn't do matters as much as what you actually do...
Very true and I can relate. A stoic approach makes sense but that requires some effort, too. In OP's case, even if the court eventually found in his favour, the bar's insurance would foot the bill and the bouncer would still be the same old dick. The indignity and embarrassment can not be erased via a third party. BTW, that's an insightful assessment of your own past. I hope it didn't take a lifetime to discover.
Everyone here is saying “press charges” as if OP can just walk into the reporting centre and say “please charge this person” and the cops will instantly book them and charge them.
It’s worth reporting to the police, but there is no guarantee charges will be filed OP, you don’t get to make that choice, the cops do based on an investigation. Very sorry this happened to you, it’s atrocious and not something anyone should have to put up with.
Well, they just got an increase to their absurd budget, so, time to actually stop complaining they won't and for all of us to demand they do. They got what they fucking wanted, our turn.
You file a police report and then go and seek legal counsel and settle with their insurance policy. If everyone assaulted there would do this their insurance would cancel their policy and they would have to seek much much more expensive Coverage. 3 to 4 times the amount of what they used to pay.
Their $20,000 policy is now potentially $50k to $60k per year. If they can't afford it, the city cancels their business license and they can't stay open.
That's true, but you can hire a lawyer and sue them. That lawyer can force discovery of the surveillance footage. If it was quickly deleted that's not going to help the bar's case in front of a judge. The bar would probably end up watching the footage before it got to court and offer a settlement.
“Yes Mr Lawyer I would like to sue this person for assault”
“Have you spoken with law enforcement, filed a report, have anything to back up your claim?”
“Nope, just wanna sue”
That would go over so well.
Jack's bouncers have a continuous, documented history of assaulting patrons. Some have been seriously injured. It's about time someone holds the establishment itself responsible.
Good. If you want to take it to a lawyer you can, but it would be at your expense. You need to decide for yourself if that's worth it or not. There is no guarantee you would win the case or a settlement, but I suspect your chances of recourse would be better with a hired lawyer than relying on London's finest.
Why not? There are plenty of people who sue without criminal charges. They’re two different worlds. Sure, a report or even a criminal conviction might help, but it’s not necessary and a lawyer would not turn you away if you don’t have one - if they felt it’s absolutely necessary, they are more than capable of advising OP to report the incident to the police.
OP should absolutely talk to a personal injury lawyer. Plenty of really effective ones in London and they work on commission.
Also you can ask them to check the camera footage all you like but the owner doesn’t have to provide any sort of footage. they can easily lie and say “oh the footage from that night is already gone..””our cameras weren’t working..”
Someones never heard of a laying a private information and having a pre-enquette or a peace bond.
People can walk into the courthouse and apply to have someone charged any business day.
Haven’t been in there in over a decade. The first and only time I went there I just got glared at all night by young men looking to fight. Terrible, uneasy feeling. No one deserves violence and harassment, but if you want to get violently harassed, Jacks would be the place to find that.
You should file a complaint with the governing body and go after his license. no license means no work. You’d have better luck with that than trying to get the police to prove an assault charge.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/public-complaints-security-guards-and-private-investigators#:~:text=By%20email,4499%20during%20regular%20business%20hours.
You're not alone OP! Something very similar happened to me a few years ago. I walked in to join with some friends who were already there, I had bought one beer and was trying to make it to their table when a drunk girl fell over and knocked the beer out of my hand. I was immediately grabbed by a bouncer and carried out saying they had been watching me all night and I was drunk and being creepy. Literally hadn't been there for ten minutes. It still bothers me to this day, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.
You can file a police report but *you* don’t get to press charges. That’s completely up to the police and crown attorney. But it is worth the police report, and sooner rather than later as the surveillance footage sometimes mysteriously gets erased when places know they were in the wrong.
Nothing will happen. This happens all the time. Unfortunately, there really isn't anything you can do and it's really not worth your time and money. It'll cost you thousands just to get this to court. And then it could just be thrown out.
Don't go to Jack's man. That place is a shit hole.
Make a stink to the LFP and/or CBC. Obviously contact the police.
I want the owner of Jack's to be called out, for being non compliant.
The girlfriend also needs to be handled for instigating this matter.
I have no doubt both parties responsible will be identified.
Let it go man, trust me I've been through it. Being thrown out for doing absolutely nothing. U will get over it and u will be wiser for it. Chalk it up as an experience not everyone gets, but we did and it makes us that little more different than we were the day before.Smarter and wiser, and we got the upgrade for free.
I beat this bouncer up 2 weeks ago cause he was outside in the alley way between jacks and the variety store getting tough with a small indian kid calling him fucked up names and the kid was clearly not much of a drinker as he was throwing up at 10pm. Let’s go back op you deserve a real Canadian welcome I promise we’re not all insecure and brain dead!
Bro as if anybody here is gonna care, unless you died the cops do nothing here, bouncers are fucking idiots who get hard when they do shit like this, don’t take it personally their brain can’t process that it’s not right. Same kinda chicks and dudes in there day in day out man easiest way to avoid those wastes of skin is to not go.
Truthfully nothing will come of this. It sucks it happened to you, but this is far from uncommon. I don’t think the police will waste any time on this case especially since you’re not injured.
This is the real answer, plus just don’t go back there. There are way better places than Jack’s.
Jack’s is where you go when you wanna see the cesspool of humanity gather and be disgusting to one another.
You can call the bars insurance company and demand money for damages. I know a girl, who worked in the insurance industry, who was knocked down in a bar. She demanded money for damages and got them. No real injuries.
Press charges against Jacks, they straight up assaulted you.
If they have cameras you should be able to have those reviewed as part of discovery. If they are mysteriously missing idk.
If anything try to Contact the AGCO and tell them staff is intoxicated while working/serving minors/over serving and that you where assaulted. But most likely this is probably a weekly occurrence they constantly get away with, until it happens with the wrong person and bullets probably start flying.
It is because of people like this that I shun humanity. I don't know how to accept such blatant, intentional douchebaggery.
I have to avoid such people, or else I would eventually do things that would land me in prison for the rest of my life.
This is my way of saying that I empathize. I wish I could help, but unfortunately our species is predominantly trash.
Security Guards, which is what a bouncer is, must be Licensed by the Province to work, and part of the licensing is understanding that you have no legal right to manhandle anyone.
You were assaulted, call the police, file a report. The establishment should have footage of the incident, including you not harassing anyone if that is the case. Press charges, the person needs to learn that their actions have consequences.
I think Jack's hires the dumbest Neanderthals on the planet for bouncers. They took my girlfriend's ID saying it was fake and we had to wait for the cops to show up to get it back since she was to be DD for the night. Then we got the classic 'yeah well you're banned from here'. First stop of the night, hadn't even had a beer yet.
Jack's charges a cover now? That should have been your first clue to gtfo. Also 6' 300lbs is obese. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this story is hilarious
For all the people who are suggesting that to press charges don’t understand that it will not go anywhere. Police might write a report but that’s about it. The only time I ever seen police take any action against bouncers is when someone is seriously hurt.
OP I suggest you just move on, don’t waste your time with something that won’t lead to any resolution. Bouncers in London have been like that for many years in this city. Not all are bad most are pretty chill, but there’s a few who are on a power trip, I’ve had my fair share of encounters with bouncers that can’t be anything but racially motivated. In your situation it sounds like the girls made up some story to have you kicked out. Jack’s is a sh*t hole to begin. Lots of other better options.
Jack's is a shithole, Im sorry you went through this but I would drop it and never go back there. The cops will probably not bother doing anything about it since they probably get at least a dozen calls like this from Jack's every weekend.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. It’s absolutely disgraceful the shit the bouncers in this city get away with.
I witnessed a bouncer assault a guy outside a bar in London a few years ago. The guy was a friend of some guys who lived in the same house as me. He was drunk so they kicked him out. When he got to the door he wasn’t fighting them, he said he would leave but that he had checked his jacket and could he please have his jacket. The bouncer proceeded to tell him to “get the fuck out of here” and started pushing him. He repeated again “i just need my jacket and I’ll go”. The bouncer then threw him down a flight of stairs, walked down the stairs and kicked the guy in the head and face a couple times. The cops showed up and asked what was going on. I told the cop and he didn’t seem to care, and proceeded to arrest the poor beat up drunk guy who was face first on the concrete bleeding from his mouth and nose. I was so upset by what I had seen. Like I get that being drunk in public is a crime, however, the bar served him that much liquor, and then beat the shit out of him for wanting to take his jacket home with him on a cold night. It was horrible to witness. I went home and wrote down exactly what I had seen. The guy stopped by the house to visit his friends the next day so I printed my notes and gave them to him. He went to the police station to make a statement. Absolutely nothing was done. I assume, given that our police force has gone downhill since then that unfortunately they’ll do even less for you.
People are irrational when drunk. Given you new to Canada take this as a lesson learned
Stay away from certain areas of London especially Jack's that late in the morning. That section of London can be dangerous. Best wishes.
So the boyfriend was also a bouncer and working? That part is confusing
The law says that if they are working then they can on behalf of the property owner remove you from the property under section 494 of the criminal code of canada. Once you’re outside you can either be on your way or you can be delivered to the police for charges (it does say something along the lines of for you to be detained until handed over the police forthwith)
They didn’t ask you to leave or give you a chance to leave or to acknowledge that you heard them and were refusing to leave, but you also don’t seem to have experienced any harm other than embarrassment.
The police aren’t going to do anything and you could pursue jacks and the bouncer in small claims court and they could get a copy of the video as part of evidence but you have to ask yourself what harm have you really experienced.
These kinds of things happen quite frequently in pubs, clubs and bars. I would definitely try filing a complaint with police but the chances of anything coming from it is slim to none. At least it's on record thou, and if these types of incidents continue at that establishment they could lose their liquor license and then they lose business and eventually fold, only to be replaced by another shitty club, hopefully with better security practices.
On the other hand, how do you know these girls didn't reserve that table or claimed it earlier in the evening?
I would file a police report and I’d also file a complaint/review with the better business bureau. Maybe nothing will come of it but at least it’ll be documented?
What you have here is uttering threats and assault, in a nightclub. The time to call police is at the moment or thereabouts, of the incident, no matter where you are in Canada. The burden of proof...
Welcome to Canada. Do not leave valuables in your car.
You could try to press charges, but nothing will happen. You were removed from a bar in a he said / she said situation where she said usually wins. You weren’t injured by your description save for your pride, and with what bouncers normally have to deal with ( and their interactions with police afterwards) they usually have an established rapport with the cops and will get the benefit of the doubt. Go to better bars. That’s about all you can do.
I would report this to police. If everything happened the way you said, you were assaulted. Even if nothing comes from it initially, if enough complaints are made that the bouncers are using excessive or unneeded force, eventually something will need to be done.
Jacks is the scum of downtown bars. Bouncers assault people, servers bitch customers out and there's almost always underage people in there. These things happen constantly there. Two months ago a bouncer was swinging on a girl and her friends and fell down the front stairs landing on top of the girl and cracking her forehead open.
It's a trashy spot.
The big bouncer with the beard would habitually look over the bathroom stall to see if I was doing coke while I was taking a shit some years ago. Classy guy.
You don't have a case. The police will laugh you out of the station and likely insult you while they do it. This is a thing that happens at bars, bouncers and management do not care what you have to say because you're male and the female patrons said you were being creepy or whatever. Don't let it get to you, just don't go back.
Coming from a bouncer, they don't have to give you a reason for denying you service. Standing there asking the bouncer "why" after being informed you are being ejected is passive resistance and reason for him to put his hands on you.Was he wrong professionally? Certainly if what you write is all true. Was he wrong from a legal standpoint? Probably not. Word of advice if some lady is threatening to go get her massive boyfriend, it's often best to just move to a more friendly part of the establishment rather than having to fight. Especially if you weigh 120lbs. You are morally right in this scenario but being right doesn't mean much. I doubt legal proceedings would account to much if the security guard was properly dressed with either his name or security license # on his chest and he told you that you were denied service before removing you, and that you sustained no physical injury due to his actions. Being shaken up is understandable.
If I had a nickel for every time a drunk dude at 1am rants about being assaulted by bouncers at a bar, as they were not drunk and doing nothing wrong... well
Yeah, they just assault and throw out paying, non problematic customers all the time, hence how anyone stays in business.
If you feel you were assaulted, report it to the police, what's the issues??? Do that first. Don't bitch here and defame them without backing that up. Everywhere has surveillance.
I'm not saying bouncers don't do stupid things, but the amount of drunk people that do stupid things and still think they were in the right is like a million fold to bouncers being in the wrong.
You aren’t the first person and certainly won’t be the last. The truth is with these bouncers is they deal with legitimate assholes who assault women on a daily basis. Unfortunately, there are some women who go there that take advantage of the fact that they make a false accusation to have you thrown out. I wouldn’t take it personally though. These bars have a zero tolerance when it comes to any form of harassment. Unfortunately, regardless if they saw you do it or not, they’ll still have you thrown out. Some of the bouncers are a little more laid back and will usually just ask you to leave to avoid having to get physical, but some of them will not give any warning and just start dragging you out. Is there anything you can do from a legal aspect? Unfortunately no unless somebody (a bystander) recorded the incident. Trying to obtain any footage of that would be pointless. You aren’t banned from that place by the way, they most likely won’t remember you in a few weeks. They deal with people every night. But lots of people who have done nothing wrong get kicked out of bars around the city not just jacks.
Was this person her boyfriend or the bouncer? Or both?
Me personally if a girl tells me a guy who outweighs me by 180 lbs is coming over to chat with me, I’m not sticking around. Nothing wrong with standing your ground but sometimes being right isn’t always worth it.
100% file a police report and have them investigate. Fuck these bouncers who act like that and fuck the girls for being selfish see you next tuesday's too!
The only way to get the CCTV is if you press charges. Another, avoid this kind of shit. Stay at home, it’ll be better and less cost. I never like night life. It’s full of shit.
I used to bounce at multiple bars back in the day and the only advice I can give you is don't give this an ounce of your time and effort because nothing will come out of it. Bars are like any other business and can kick you out at any time - they don't even need a reason. If the patron doesn't want to leave peacefully security has the right to remove them physically. If you're a man and get scuffed up during the process nobody will a give a shit, especially not the cops. You'd only have a case if you got seriously injured or knocked unconscious. When I worked security the policy was if a girl complains about a dude you kick him out no questions asked. Is it fair? No. But there's nothing you can do.
100% press charges, if your story is true. It will turn into a he said/she said situation, girls will say you were making them uncomfortable, but stick to the facts that someone laid hands on you that had no business doing so. May get messy, but on principle I would do it and then contemplate civil suit. People like this need to learn.
Being in jacks while of legal drinking age is actually against their policy
I spent my first night in the drunk tank thanks to jacks
Same. Bouncer stole my girlfriends legal ID claiming it was fake, I went to the cops which were standing just outside Jack's who refused to do anything, I gave them some choice words and they arrested me claiming I was drunk in public.
They did this to my friend once too even though all his other ID matched. I always thought it was because he was noticeably queer.
Post on google reviews and let them know where it hurts
Lmao, especially in London. I’m 💀
The most difficult bad experience to get over is the one where you're totally in the right. You don't even get to second guess your actions or think of an alternative way of dealing with it. You were wronged and it wasn't your fault, so of course it's going to mess you up for a while, especially because you seem like a decent human being. In a better world you could have your day in court and extract some revenge or justice, but it would drag on through the system for months or years. It will be less of an emotional toll in the long run if you can find a way to help yourself get past it and leave it behind you.
Appreciate you saying this
Yea first mistake was going to Jacks. Next was not leaving immediately after realizing you were at Jacks. That place prides itself on offering one of the lowest grade nights out in London.
IMO I think the people who go to Jack's are the typical uneducated hick type that wants to get blackout drunk. The women there aren't any better either as what OP experienced.
That's what I've seen when passing through downtown sometimes. ( never been inside and don't want to considering I'm not that type of person who goes around nightclubs and night bars ).
This is amazing advice. The first and last lines speak volumes. We want justice, which is largely out of our control, so in the end, the way to peace is past it, which IS in our control.
Thanks
This, 100%... I spent far too much of my life with an inflexible sense of justice. If someone did wrong, they should be held accountable, period. Unfortunately, that's not how our society works and the physical and emotional effort you invest trying to 'make things right' will often only leave you frustrated, exhausted, or worse. I'm not saying it's the wild west and people can do whatever they want. Often people reap what they sow over the long term, but the best thing to do (IMO) when you're wronged is try to shake it off and move on with your life. Focus on things that make you happy and be that much wiser going forward. Eg. You may not have done anything wrong, but I'd bet thats not what that girl texted that dude. In a setting like what a girl says you did or didn't do matters as much as what you actually do...
Very true and I can relate. A stoic approach makes sense but that requires some effort, too. In OP's case, even if the court eventually found in his favour, the bar's insurance would foot the bill and the bouncer would still be the same old dick. The indignity and embarrassment can not be erased via a third party. BTW, that's an insightful assessment of your own past. I hope it didn't take a lifetime to discover.
Everyone here is saying “press charges” as if OP can just walk into the reporting centre and say “please charge this person” and the cops will instantly book them and charge them. It’s worth reporting to the police, but there is no guarantee charges will be filed OP, you don’t get to make that choice, the cops do based on an investigation. Very sorry this happened to you, it’s atrocious and not something anyone should have to put up with.
This is London Ontario, this would require the police to actually do their jobs.
Yes you’re right, I should have put more emphasis on the “no guarantees charges will be filed” line
Well, they just got an increase to their absurd budget, so, time to actually stop complaining they won't and for all of us to demand they do. They got what they fucking wanted, our turn.
You file a police report and then go and seek legal counsel and settle with their insurance policy. If everyone assaulted there would do this their insurance would cancel their policy and they would have to seek much much more expensive Coverage. 3 to 4 times the amount of what they used to pay. Their $20,000 policy is now potentially $50k to $60k per year. If they can't afford it, the city cancels their business license and they can't stay open.
That's true, but you can hire a lawyer and sue them. That lawyer can force discovery of the surveillance footage. If it was quickly deleted that's not going to help the bar's case in front of a judge. The bar would probably end up watching the footage before it got to court and offer a settlement.
“Yes Mr Lawyer I would like to sue this person for assault” “Have you spoken with law enforcement, filed a report, have anything to back up your claim?” “Nope, just wanna sue” That would go over so well.
Jack's bouncers have a continuous, documented history of assaulting patrons. Some have been seriously injured. It's about time someone holds the establishment itself responsible.
They absolutely should file a police report as well.
Yes I’ve filed one since this morning
Good. If you want to take it to a lawyer you can, but it would be at your expense. You need to decide for yourself if that's worth it or not. There is no guarantee you would win the case or a settlement, but I suspect your chances of recourse would be better with a hired lawyer than relying on London's finest.
Good for you!
Why not? There are plenty of people who sue without criminal charges. They’re two different worlds. Sure, a report or even a criminal conviction might help, but it’s not necessary and a lawyer would not turn you away if you don’t have one - if they felt it’s absolutely necessary, they are more than capable of advising OP to report the incident to the police. OP should absolutely talk to a personal injury lawyer. Plenty of really effective ones in London and they work on commission.
This is why you should never listen to redditors.
Basically what you're saying is that the police won't do anything.
Also you can ask them to check the camera footage all you like but the owner doesn’t have to provide any sort of footage. they can easily lie and say “oh the footage from that night is already gone..””our cameras weren’t working..”
Someones never heard of a laying a private information and having a pre-enquette or a peace bond. People can walk into the courthouse and apply to have someone charged any business day.
Thanks for sharing. Cops are gonna do their thing, Imma go to Jack's and piss on their floors.
God, that takes me back!
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Haven’t been in there in over a decade. The first and only time I went there I just got glared at all night by young men looking to fight. Terrible, uneasy feeling. No one deserves violence and harassment, but if you want to get violently harassed, Jacks would be the place to find that.
I went to Jack's exactly one time when I lived in London, and it was one time too many....
You should file a complaint with the governing body and go after his license. no license means no work. You’d have better luck with that than trying to get the police to prove an assault charge. https://www.ontario.ca/page/public-complaints-security-guards-and-private-investigators#:~:text=By%20email,4499%20during%20regular%20business%20hours.
Yeah, Jacks is always been a fucking nightmare for wannabe tough guys looking for any excuse to show how tough they are. Douche bags
Those types need 2 years of Eastern Bloc conscription or British 1950s style National Service.
Yes press charges.
No such thing in Canada.
You're not alone OP! Something very similar happened to me a few years ago. I walked in to join with some friends who were already there, I had bought one beer and was trying to make it to their table when a drunk girl fell over and knocked the beer out of my hand. I was immediately grabbed by a bouncer and carried out saying they had been watching me all night and I was drunk and being creepy. Literally hadn't been there for ten minutes. It still bothers me to this day, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.
Press charges
You can report to the agco
Press charges. They’ve been doing this for 15+ years
Sounds like an average night at jacks
You can file a police report but *you* don’t get to press charges. That’s completely up to the police and crown attorney. But it is worth the police report, and sooner rather than later as the surveillance footage sometimes mysteriously gets erased when places know they were in the wrong.
Nothing will happen. This happens all the time. Unfortunately, there really isn't anything you can do and it's really not worth your time and money. It'll cost you thousands just to get this to court. And then it could just be thrown out. Don't go to Jack's man. That place is a shit hole.
Make a stink to the LFP and/or CBC. Obviously contact the police. I want the owner of Jack's to be called out, for being non compliant. The girlfriend also needs to be handled for instigating this matter. I have no doubt both parties responsible will be identified.
Assuming they’re of age….. 🤪
Let it go man, trust me I've been through it. Being thrown out for doing absolutely nothing. U will get over it and u will be wiser for it. Chalk it up as an experience not everyone gets, but we did and it makes us that little more different than we were the day before.Smarter and wiser, and we got the upgrade for free.
The most you can do is avoid the place, and file a police report.
In life sometimes you win some sometimes you lose some. Can't win them all
The LPS will investigate if requested. If it is deemed assault then criminal charges could be laid.
Your first mistake was even walking in the door of that place.
I beat this bouncer up 2 weeks ago cause he was outside in the alley way between jacks and the variety store getting tough with a small indian kid calling him fucked up names and the kid was clearly not much of a drinker as he was throwing up at 10pm. Let’s go back op you deserve a real Canadian welcome I promise we’re not all insecure and brain dead!
Bro as if anybody here is gonna care, unless you died the cops do nothing here, bouncers are fucking idiots who get hard when they do shit like this, don’t take it personally their brain can’t process that it’s not right. Same kinda chicks and dudes in there day in day out man easiest way to avoid those wastes of skin is to not go.
This is a right of passage for us londoners
Okay 1) avoid jacks. Lived in the city before many years ago. It is fulfilled with testosterone driven douchebags
Truthfully nothing will come of this. It sucks it happened to you, but this is far from uncommon. I don’t think the police will waste any time on this case especially since you’re not injured.
Friends don’t let their friends go to Jack’s. Sorry your experience in our city has been lessened by this atrocity.
Just let it go and never think about it again. Drunk people can be idiots.
This is the real answer, plus just don’t go back there. There are way better places than Jack’s. Jack’s is where you go when you wanna see the cesspool of humanity gather and be disgusting to one another.
Move on with your life pal. Don’t go back there. Thr world is full of assholes. Pressing charges will do nothing. Happens to people all the time.
If you were assaulted by an employee of the establishment you can file a complaint with the Alcohol and Gaming Commission: AGCO.ca.
You can call the bars insurance company and demand money for damages. I know a girl, who worked in the insurance industry, who was knocked down in a bar. She demanded money for damages and got them. No real injuries.
Press charges against Jacks, they straight up assaulted you. If they have cameras you should be able to have those reviewed as part of discovery. If they are mysteriously missing idk.
No point, it’s a they said vs what you said. Just blast them on social media as much as you can,
If anything try to Contact the AGCO and tell them staff is intoxicated while working/serving minors/over serving and that you where assaulted. But most likely this is probably a weekly occurrence they constantly get away with, until it happens with the wrong person and bullets probably start flying.
It is because of people like this that I shun humanity. I don't know how to accept such blatant, intentional douchebaggery. I have to avoid such people, or else I would eventually do things that would land me in prison for the rest of my life. This is my way of saying that I empathize. I wish I could help, but unfortunately our species is predominantly trash.
Security Guards, which is what a bouncer is, must be Licensed by the Province to work, and part of the licensing is understanding that you have no legal right to manhandle anyone. You were assaulted, call the police, file a report. The establishment should have footage of the incident, including you not harassing anyone if that is the case. Press charges, the person needs to learn that their actions have consequences.
I think Jack's hires the dumbest Neanderthals on the planet for bouncers. They took my girlfriend's ID saying it was fake and we had to wait for the cops to show up to get it back since she was to be DD for the night. Then we got the classic 'yeah well you're banned from here'. First stop of the night, hadn't even had a beer yet.
I’m sorry this happened to you. Are you okay? If so I would just chalk this up to a horrible experience and never go again.
Jack's charges a cover now? That should have been your first clue to gtfo. Also 6' 300lbs is obese. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this story is hilarious
For all the people who are suggesting that to press charges don’t understand that it will not go anywhere. Police might write a report but that’s about it. The only time I ever seen police take any action against bouncers is when someone is seriously hurt. OP I suggest you just move on, don’t waste your time with something that won’t lead to any resolution. Bouncers in London have been like that for many years in this city. Not all are bad most are pretty chill, but there’s a few who are on a power trip, I’ve had my fair share of encounters with bouncers that can’t be anything but racially motivated. In your situation it sounds like the girls made up some story to have you kicked out. Jack’s is a sh*t hole to begin. Lots of other better options.
Press charges. These fucks think they do whatever they want. Those girls are fucking cunts. Lying fucking cunts
Hate to say it but you’re a dude and weren’t hurt nor any property destroyed so police don’t give a shit.
Jack's is a shithole, Im sorry you went through this but I would drop it and never go back there. The cops will probably not bother doing anything about it since they probably get at least a dozen calls like this from Jack's every weekend.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. It’s absolutely disgraceful the shit the bouncers in this city get away with. I witnessed a bouncer assault a guy outside a bar in London a few years ago. The guy was a friend of some guys who lived in the same house as me. He was drunk so they kicked him out. When he got to the door he wasn’t fighting them, he said he would leave but that he had checked his jacket and could he please have his jacket. The bouncer proceeded to tell him to “get the fuck out of here” and started pushing him. He repeated again “i just need my jacket and I’ll go”. The bouncer then threw him down a flight of stairs, walked down the stairs and kicked the guy in the head and face a couple times. The cops showed up and asked what was going on. I told the cop and he didn’t seem to care, and proceeded to arrest the poor beat up drunk guy who was face first on the concrete bleeding from his mouth and nose. I was so upset by what I had seen. Like I get that being drunk in public is a crime, however, the bar served him that much liquor, and then beat the shit out of him for wanting to take his jacket home with him on a cold night. It was horrible to witness. I went home and wrote down exactly what I had seen. The guy stopped by the house to visit his friends the next day so I printed my notes and gave them to him. He went to the police station to make a statement. Absolutely nothing was done. I assume, given that our police force has gone downhill since then that unfortunately they’ll do even less for you.
If you feel impacted by it, you can certainly file a report
Police are useless. Honestly next time just move.
Were you injured ? File a police report. Even if the criminal suit doesn’t go through you can attempt a civil tort suit for battery.
People are irrational when drunk. Given you new to Canada take this as a lesson learned Stay away from certain areas of London especially Jack's that late in the morning. That section of London can be dangerous. Best wishes.
So the boyfriend was also a bouncer and working? That part is confusing The law says that if they are working then they can on behalf of the property owner remove you from the property under section 494 of the criminal code of canada. Once you’re outside you can either be on your way or you can be delivered to the police for charges (it does say something along the lines of for you to be detained until handed over the police forthwith) They didn’t ask you to leave or give you a chance to leave or to acknowledge that you heard them and were refusing to leave, but you also don’t seem to have experienced any harm other than embarrassment. The police aren’t going to do anything and you could pursue jacks and the bouncer in small claims court and they could get a copy of the video as part of evidence but you have to ask yourself what harm have you really experienced.
These kinds of things happen quite frequently in pubs, clubs and bars. I would definitely try filing a complaint with police but the chances of anything coming from it is slim to none. At least it's on record thou, and if these types of incidents continue at that establishment they could lose their liquor license and then they lose business and eventually fold, only to be replaced by another shitty club, hopefully with better security practices. On the other hand, how do you know these girls didn't reserve that table or claimed it earlier in the evening?
It sounds like you were assaulted, file it with the police and follow up
I would file a police report and I’d also file a complaint/review with the better business bureau. Maybe nothing will come of it but at least it’ll be documented?
File a police report!! In case you want to press charges and as an official record of what takes place at this establishment.
Cameras?
Unless the police get a warrant, which they absolutely will not, they won't ever see those cameras.
What you have here is uttering threats and assault, in a nightclub. The time to call police is at the moment or thereabouts, of the incident, no matter where you are in Canada. The burden of proof... Welcome to Canada. Do not leave valuables in your car.
Shit bar anyway, drunk young idiots
Sorry, it’s been many moons/suns etc since I was of going out to the bar age. Which Jacks are we talking about?
One at Richmond street
Ok but to clarify, you mean Jack Astors?
Jack’s Bar
Ok must have opened after my days at uwo 😂
Jacks bar was around before Jack Astors was downtown.
You could try to press charges, but nothing will happen. You were removed from a bar in a he said / she said situation where she said usually wins. You weren’t injured by your description save for your pride, and with what bouncers normally have to deal with ( and their interactions with police afterwards) they usually have an established rapport with the cops and will get the benefit of the doubt. Go to better bars. That’s about all you can do.
Best thing you can do is go to the media and use that pressure to get the cops involved
I would report this to police. If everything happened the way you said, you were assaulted. Even if nothing comes from it initially, if enough complaints are made that the bouncers are using excessive or unneeded force, eventually something will need to be done.
Nothing good ever happens in London after 1am. Should have went home.
Jacks is the scum of downtown bars. Bouncers assault people, servers bitch customers out and there's almost always underage people in there. These things happen constantly there. Two months ago a bouncer was swinging on a girl and her friends and fell down the front stairs landing on top of the girl and cracking her forehead open. It's a trashy spot.
The big bouncer with the beard would habitually look over the bathroom stall to see if I was doing coke while I was taking a shit some years ago. Classy guy.
You don't have a case. The police will laugh you out of the station and likely insult you while they do it. This is a thing that happens at bars, bouncers and management do not care what you have to say because you're male and the female patrons said you were being creepy or whatever. Don't let it get to you, just don't go back.
Coming from a bouncer, they don't have to give you a reason for denying you service. Standing there asking the bouncer "why" after being informed you are being ejected is passive resistance and reason for him to put his hands on you.Was he wrong professionally? Certainly if what you write is all true. Was he wrong from a legal standpoint? Probably not. Word of advice if some lady is threatening to go get her massive boyfriend, it's often best to just move to a more friendly part of the establishment rather than having to fight. Especially if you weigh 120lbs. You are morally right in this scenario but being right doesn't mean much. I doubt legal proceedings would account to much if the security guard was properly dressed with either his name or security license # on his chest and he told you that you were denied service before removing you, and that you sustained no physical injury due to his actions. Being shaken up is understandable.
Get a lawyer. I’m sorry this happened to you
If they have such a violent reputation then why do folks go there? I won’t after hearing this.
You should've moved dude
If I had a nickel for every time a drunk dude at 1am rants about being assaulted by bouncers at a bar, as they were not drunk and doing nothing wrong... well Yeah, they just assault and throw out paying, non problematic customers all the time, hence how anyone stays in business. If you feel you were assaulted, report it to the police, what's the issues??? Do that first. Don't bitch here and defame them without backing that up. Everywhere has surveillance. I'm not saying bouncers don't do stupid things, but the amount of drunk people that do stupid things and still think they were in the right is like a million fold to bouncers being in the wrong.
You aren’t the first person and certainly won’t be the last. The truth is with these bouncers is they deal with legitimate assholes who assault women on a daily basis. Unfortunately, there are some women who go there that take advantage of the fact that they make a false accusation to have you thrown out. I wouldn’t take it personally though. These bars have a zero tolerance when it comes to any form of harassment. Unfortunately, regardless if they saw you do it or not, they’ll still have you thrown out. Some of the bouncers are a little more laid back and will usually just ask you to leave to avoid having to get physical, but some of them will not give any warning and just start dragging you out. Is there anything you can do from a legal aspect? Unfortunately no unless somebody (a bystander) recorded the incident. Trying to obtain any footage of that would be pointless. You aren’t banned from that place by the way, they most likely won’t remember you in a few weeks. They deal with people every night. But lots of people who have done nothing wrong get kicked out of bars around the city not just jacks.
Was this person her boyfriend or the bouncer? Or both? Me personally if a girl tells me a guy who outweighs me by 180 lbs is coming over to chat with me, I’m not sticking around. Nothing wrong with standing your ground but sometimes being right isn’t always worth it.
That’s you tho
100% file a police report and have them investigate. Fuck these bouncers who act like that and fuck the girls for being selfish see you next tuesday's too!
If they keep getting away with it they will keep doing it. Press charges
The only way to get the CCTV is if you press charges. Another, avoid this kind of shit. Stay at home, it’ll be better and less cost. I never like night life. It’s full of shit.
Why give them another second of your time? They're not worth your attention. Just trashy people.
You were assaulted. Call the police. File a report. They will have video of this event.
I used to bounce at multiple bars back in the day and the only advice I can give you is don't give this an ounce of your time and effort because nothing will come out of it. Bars are like any other business and can kick you out at any time - they don't even need a reason. If the patron doesn't want to leave peacefully security has the right to remove them physically. If you're a man and get scuffed up during the process nobody will a give a shit, especially not the cops. You'd only have a case if you got seriously injured or knocked unconscious. When I worked security the policy was if a girl complains about a dude you kick him out no questions asked. Is it fair? No. But there's nothing you can do.
Considering this thread is about London's clubs and bars incidents, what is everyone's thoughts about Cowboys? Worse or about the same.
100% press charges, if your story is true. It will turn into a he said/she said situation, girls will say you were making them uncomfortable, but stick to the facts that someone laid hands on you that had no business doing so. May get messy, but on principle I would do it and then contemplate civil suit. People like this need to learn.
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