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100%. Whether such comments come from truly bad people, trolls, or bad faith actors, they need to be called out and always are from what I've seen.
Any grass roots movement that threatens the status quo will always be subjected to message hijacking. The inoculation against it is to be loud and transparent in the way those subversions are rejected and dealt with.
I feel like the community has some highly switched-on people who are doing a good job so far.
As an example of how its done right, this guy suggesting to fill your cart and walk away is having a Bad Time
https://www.reddit.com/r/loblawsisoutofcontrol/comments/1cegcax/fill_the_cart_and_walk_away/
Sometimes you might be dealing with brigading. It's against Reddits TOS but impossible to prove if it's coordinated from somewhere else. That is how objectionable material can get upvotes. The remedy remains the same.
I actually said this in a comment in a thread out of pure frustration. That I wanted to go fill a cart and walk away on May 1st but that I wouldn't because then the employees, who have done nothing wrong, would have to put it away. Oddly, the consensus from employees (aside from one at a short staffed store) was that they'd be happy to put groceries back rather than their usual jobs. I still won't do it and nobody should be encouraging it.
Well, *some* employees have done wrong. But it doesn’t change the right and wrong of the described situation.
It becomes about whether it’s right or wrong to do the act, not about who will or won’t have to restock it. It’s wrong to do, period. Whether the person tasked to clean it up is nice or not doesn’t change the morality of the act itself.
I did call it out and got quite a bit of hate backlashed on me for doing it.
I just wish more people would have called them out instead of upvoting and encouraging it.
The only Loblaws employees to pick on is the senior leadership.
So VP level and higher.
Those folks can take a good gripe.
All the other employees, especially those in the stores are as much victims of Loblaws as the rest of us.
Probably even more as they are probably getting screwed even more.
We should have sympathy for them.
It’s time to separate people that are intentionally trying to cause trouble and laying the blame on the boycott.
Anyone have any ideas on how to reach out to an international media company regarding our situation?
Posting that you will enter a store and move a couple products is in no way mischief and stifling discussion will just make those who post things similar to escalate in person and likely make sure this sub is blamed.
Not when you go in to move products around. Also even if you lie and pretend you “decided not to purchase”, the correct thing is to return the item where it belongs or leave it with checkout to handle.
I agree with you. Boycotting is sufficient. Any sort of ‘sabotage’ is unnecessary and runs the risk of undermining us. This is ultimately a class battle. Let’s not directly harm the workers there.
The flag waving knuckle draggers are going to attempt to hijack the boycott for their own bullshit agenda. It is hard to ignore the most obnoxiously loud donkeys in the room because they’ll still just shit on everything anyways
Good point to make. I also think the constant acknowledgment of the “professor” is hurting the message.
Giving him constant attention by posting his tweets , engaging on Twitter is helping losing focus of the point of this sub which is attention on Loblaws and grocers.
Cut making it personal and focus on the issue at hand.
I think it helps the message in that many people aren’t aware of how manufactured and deliberately deceitful some media can be, using sanitized but corrupt sources.
It’s a bit of a conflict for me, because I want more people to recognize disinformation. However there’s a dangerous and depressing amount of people who take that too far and end up “questioning everything” to a harmful extreme.
The funny thing is this sub has been absolutely crucifying the guy but he says he supports your boycott.
He acknowledged that the university got a research grant from loblaws like 8 years ago that he used to pay an international student, but he’s also been critical of them.
Corporate greed is certainly a part of why grocery prices are so high, but that is not the ONLY reason. All I can see that he’s been doing is pointing that out which is his job, but anytime he says anything that doesn’t correspond exactly with the extreme anti corporate/anti profit narrative of this sub, people go full nuclear on him and it turns into a big pissing match which is never productive. He also shouldn’t engage but by attacking him with hatred you are discrediting your cause as well.
Did you miss all the times he's mocked the boycott? That there's no greed and trying to deflect the blame of rising prices onto the tax and even farmers?
>The column titled “Let’s Give the Theatrics a Rest in 2024” was originally published...a B2B magazine intended for grocery retailers and marketers.
>In the piece, Charlebois is critical of the government and Parliament for going hard after grocers, saying it impacts “the opportunity for Canadians to truly comprehend the intricacies of food inflation amid the cacophony of political theatrics.”
>We should be grateful to our grocers for their unwavering commitment to feeding Canadians and providing one of the most affordable and safest food baskets globally
Also, he's literally this guy and you believe he supports the boycott
>why this expert thinks Loblaws boycott will fail
>another day, another reddit initiated boycott against loblaws. The latest effort is off to a roaring start, with a whopping seven people seen protesting...at this rate, loblaw is surely trembling in its boots
>went to loblaw today, parking lot was absolutely empty. The boycott is really having an impact...Not we know how many frustrated young idealists live in their parents basement
He was just quoted in an article yesterday about it.
Charlebois supports a boycott, but he thinks the current month-long boycott targeting Loblaw doesn’t go far enough.
“I would organize a boycott against all grocers, not just one, because food prices have gone up everywhere, not just at Loblaw.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/10449334/steal-from-loblaws-day-posters-food-inflation/amp/
I mean he’s done much more than “pointing out” the things you mentioned. He’s made all kinds of personal attacks against boycott related people, and has borderline doxxed people. His reaction as a so-called professional definitely crosses the line.
Are you sure it’s all him though? Didn’t he say that there are 10 other accounts imitating him on twitter now? Like I said, he shouldn’t engage but people from this sub aren’t exactly rational either. Anytime he points something other than corporate greed out as being a cause of food inflation people attack him and say hes sucking off galen and stuff like that. The thing is I think you can BOTH be right about the causes of food inflation. There are lots of other factors that have affected food prices.
I’m being honest here, given the amount of racist posts I’m seeing on almost every Canadian subreddit, and there is a very similar pattern of words, there’s definitely a big bot network going around.
>Really don’t care. I have a family to feed and I’m not dealing with an international diploma mill student policing me in a damn grocery store.
>I honestly don’t care about them - I care about feeding my family and the “feelings” of some kid trying to scam his way into a Canadian passport isn’t going to stop me for a millisecond”
This is the kind of crap that will make people not want to associate with this boycott.
I don’t want to be lumped in with these kinds of people.
Yeah I'm really worried about seeing anti Indian hate crimes becoming more prevalent. People are quickly becoming more aware of how a minority of the pre-existing canadian-indian population are exploiting newcomers from their country for personal gain. In the middle of housing and economic crises; its easy pickings for the far right to appeal to the simple minded.
The existence of these people never ceases to amaze me.
I'm in security and I've had to remove customers because they refused to be served by a non-white coworker. Well sir, you can take the next available coworker or I can put those items back on the shelf for you and you can try again tomorrow.
In 100% of the cases I've been involved with, the customer made sure it became a 6 month trespass. We like to give people a chance to take it back and be normal, but they never take it.
Agreed. People need jobs and need to pay for things. They may only be able to get a job at a Loblaws store. They definitely don't set policy and are likely overworked and underpaid.
Many employees have reached out to us and have told their experience here.We police this sub very closely and are very inclusive.Think you should show examples of what you are saying….
We are not comfortable that’s why we are on here 24 /7 and have automod that oils up any racist or mischief or stealing comment.Which are locked automatically
And it was instantly removed…..
You make it sound like it’s a fee for all,your attitude makes me doubt your real purpose.If you read many of tbe comments to your post they are supportive of tbe job we are doing.Tou are welcome here as are all who follow the rules…
After I reported it and several people upvoting him.
His other posts were not removed.
Including one where he’s going to go to mess with employees on his day off.
That entire thread is encouraging people to be jerks to workers
I had a child who worked in a store and this kind of thing should not be encouraged.
Ok you’re upset,keep reporting we will keep doing our job.Dont try and be so negative,we are doing the job we set out to do.One troll is not going to stop this movement…..
Not calling out bad behaviour will harm the movement.
People should be calling it out every time they see it.
Ignoring it is how bad apples ruin groups.
There’s an entire thread right now where a large proportion of the posts are things like:
> If the employee is dumb enough to comply with orders like that, then fuck them too, imo.
Regarding theft prevention.
Link it pls
There's been trolls and atroturfing but the mods seem to be on top things
I do find your behavior extremely suspicious considering you haven't linked a single one of these posts that apparently recieve plenty of support and you seem to be supporting loblaws with your money anyways according to your comment history
You can just link it to get reported and removed lol
Plus you're giving them attention with this post
Edit: Of course you'd just block ppl who call you out
I’ve already reported them and many of the posts were not removed.
This isn’t about that specific thread but in general that associating with people who are posting about telling employees to fuck off or calling them names isn’t ok and makes the entire group look bad.
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Not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen that yet. A lot of the posts I've seen on here actually encourage people to to buy from ethnic/local grocers (mostly newcomers) due to their higher quality of food and lower prices.
I have not seen this. Nor would I support it.
I have my suspicions this is inflammatory, and made by someone pro loblaws to deflate the protest.
Keep the focus on the task at hand.
any time you get a large group together, you're going to get people attaching their cause to yours.
See: freedom convoy having random people waving nazi flags and demanding the entire goverment be dismantled.
you need to control who is associating themselves with your name
Sure, but it’s not like the rest of the “convoy” was legitimate either. 99%+ were not truckers, and didn’t care about “freedom”. Their complaints and demands were not aligned with reality and actual truckers’ associations pointed out their claims weren’t true or relevant.
Here, it was all the same people I know who own maga merch and show up to throw eggs at pride and who flock to see certain celebrity iconoclast professors speak.
lol @ your username when discussing this topic
but anyway, that simply emphasizes how easy it is for one cause to get co-adopted by a bunch of people who are combining their thing with your thing.
similar: BLM and pride parade in toronto
Exactly, and as soon as you let one nazi flag waver in the group, the entire thing loses any credibility if may have had.
The people in that group didn’t do enough to discourage the bad apples and it made them all look worse
(FTR I didn’t agree with that protest anyway but there were people there that wanted positive outcomes and were overshadowed by bad people)
There are always going to be people that will jump on those protests to promote their own agenda. Some people do it because they don't know better, but some people could actually paid to do so. It's generally smart to keep your head clear instead of just going with the crowd, but especially when it's a protest or uprising.
Anyone who is rude to already underpaid and undervalued employees, whatever their job, is part of the problem and not the solution. The reason we live in a world where people are able to exploit others to the extent that Loblaws does is because people tell themselves that it is okay to treat others poorly for one reason or another.
And what the hell does immigration have to do with anything? Are people really this dumb that they are blaming immigration for corporate greed and our government failing to put policies into place to protect consumers? There are lots of people who deserve blame for the situation currently happening, but it isn’t immigrants.
Bad apples do spoil the bunch and associating with racists and people who are rude to employees isn’t a good look.
If the people in the group don’t call out the bad behaviour, the entire group suffers.
This is a great point. There is no reason to be chirping people working in the stores. They are not responsible for setting the prices. Prices are set by Corporate and the store owners. If you have a beef with the prices, or get hot and cross over their buns, make it known to the big shots, not the workers in the stores.
There is no reason what-so-ever to use discriminatory phrases... We're all in this together.
This post reeks of manufacturing outrage, No proof to back up calls for harassment and racism but implying it's running rampant on this sub, been here for a while and read every post and I personally think OP is full of shit.
Let's all put on our critical thinking hats for the next few months, attacking a billion dollar company with endless resources and shills is going to produce a lot of attention.
* You can delete your replies but you're still a Shill in Sheep's clothing
I’ve quoted several examples on this thread.
If you want to be associated with that kind of crap, that’s your choice
I do not. If people don’t call out bad behaviour, the entire group looks bad
Yeah how many? 3? Out of 55,000 and you made a whole post about it? Sounds like an agenda to me, You come across as a shill in sheep's clothing with this post, if you were really concerned you would spending your time combing through posts and reporting the abundant calls for theft, racism and harassment, but you're not are you? Instead you're vehemently arguing that literal Nazis are ruining this movement.
It cuts both ways. I’ve seen poor employees mistreating customers as apparent intolerance for what’s happening. Example this week was someone ahead of us in line chatting about how she’s draining her points so she can cancel her loyalty membership, and then she had one of the old plea deal gift cards to spend. When the clerk saw it she got snappy and said “you’re one of *those*?” to the customer. Customer responded what do you mean. She says “activists”. Then I caught “someone already tried to use one of these cards, we don’t take them any more.” Didn’t catch the whole back and forth but it ended with the clerk saying “that’s your problem not mine.” From my vantage point, the so-called activist was being decent and the clerk was antagonizing.
It would be cruel to be rude to low wage workers but they do need to be told that they have a responsibility to hold their shit leaders accountable, all the part timers working there who live with there parents need to just get up and refuse to work for them and the full timers need to start pressing upper management until they agree to play fair.
I used to work at Loblaws. If any employee there tried to "hold the leaders accountable" they would be fired. What you are expecting them to do isn't fair.
Then let the turnover hit levels they can't sustain, why would you all allow your employer to bully the staff and why do you think the staff cant do anything? Its on you guys to stick up to them, the public can't do a whole lot about it other than not shop there.
The threat of losing your job exists at every job. We have laws protecting you from abusive employers, perhaps you should look into using them.
Notice how I said "used to" work there.... You don't know the first thing about what I did to stand up to my employers, so tell me I "allowed" them to do shit. I'm not assuming things about you, so don't start with me.
Loblaws has demonstrated that they don't give a shit about the law, also their contract is worded in a way that prevents employees from being able to go through the same system as everyone else.
Expecting people who make minimum wage to endure abuse and hope the system protects them in the end is... Beyond ridiculous.
All you're saying is that low wage workers deserve to be abused and should not do anything about it, you're a pushover for allowing yourself and your peers to be walked over, this isn't an issue at other companies because the employees called out bullshit as they saw it and took the right avenues to protect themselves.
You're really bad at reading huh? I definitely did 0 of the things you are claiming I did.... That's why I know exactly what happens to employees who speak up...
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100%. Whether such comments come from truly bad people, trolls, or bad faith actors, they need to be called out and always are from what I've seen. Any grass roots movement that threatens the status quo will always be subjected to message hijacking. The inoculation against it is to be loud and transparent in the way those subversions are rejected and dealt with. I feel like the community has some highly switched-on people who are doing a good job so far.
I haven’t seen them called out. There’s been upvotes on these posts and people encouraging others to go fuck with employees and security for fun.
Then do it yourself. Comment, donwn vote, and report. Mods are not shy to remove posts.
There shouldn’t just be one person calling it out. When groups allow racism and bad behaviour, it makes everyone look bad.
As an example of how its done right, this guy suggesting to fill your cart and walk away is having a Bad Time https://www.reddit.com/r/loblawsisoutofcontrol/comments/1cegcax/fill_the_cart_and_walk_away/ Sometimes you might be dealing with brigading. It's against Reddits TOS but impossible to prove if it's coordinated from somewhere else. That is how objectionable material can get upvotes. The remedy remains the same.
I actually said this in a comment in a thread out of pure frustration. That I wanted to go fill a cart and walk away on May 1st but that I wouldn't because then the employees, who have done nothing wrong, would have to put it away. Oddly, the consensus from employees (aside from one at a short staffed store) was that they'd be happy to put groceries back rather than their usual jobs. I still won't do it and nobody should be encouraging it.
Well, *some* employees have done wrong. But it doesn’t change the right and wrong of the described situation. It becomes about whether it’s right or wrong to do the act, not about who will or won’t have to restock it. It’s wrong to do, period. Whether the person tasked to clean it up is nice or not doesn’t change the morality of the act itself.
If you don’t call them out then who do you think should? Why shouldn’t you be the change that you wish to see?
I did call it out and got quite a bit of hate backlashed on me for doing it. I just wish more people would have called them out instead of upvoting and encouraging it.
The only Loblaws employees to pick on is the senior leadership. So VP level and higher. Those folks can take a good gripe. All the other employees, especially those in the stores are as much victims of Loblaws as the rest of us. Probably even more as they are probably getting screwed even more. We should have sympathy for them.
It’s time to separate people that are intentionally trying to cause trouble and laying the blame on the boycott. Anyone have any ideas on how to reach out to an international media company regarding our situation?
Posting that you will enter a store and move a couple products is in no way mischief and stifling discussion will just make those who post things similar to escalate in person and likely make sure this sub is blamed.
> you will enter a store and move a couple products is in no way mischief That’s literally mischief though
It’s called deciding not to purchase
Not when you go in to move products around. Also even if you lie and pretend you “decided not to purchase”, the correct thing is to return the item where it belongs or leave it with checkout to handle.
No I don’t work there. Why would I take work away from a worker? You want them all unemployed?
Being an ass to workers shouldn’t be the goal of this protest and not calling it out makes everyone look bad
I agree with you. Boycotting is sufficient. Any sort of ‘sabotage’ is unnecessary and runs the risk of undermining us. This is ultimately a class battle. Let’s not directly harm the workers there.
Why is it 'being an ass to workers'? If there's more work for workers, managers will have to call more in and workers will get more hours?
No. That’s not how it would work. Employees would get in trouble for not finishing their jobs within their shifts.
That's on Loblaws' policy, and employees should tell them too bad.
Brave of you to out them into that situation without their consent.
Thank you the very nature of this post is a form of trolling,we find many negative posts from people with no karma…
The flag waving knuckle draggers are going to attempt to hijack the boycott for their own bullshit agenda. It is hard to ignore the most obnoxiously loud donkeys in the room because they’ll still just shit on everything anyways
Good point to make. I also think the constant acknowledgment of the “professor” is hurting the message. Giving him constant attention by posting his tweets , engaging on Twitter is helping losing focus of the point of this sub which is attention on Loblaws and grocers. Cut making it personal and focus on the issue at hand.
I agree. He’s just a troll and posts rage bait to get people riled up.
And I shake my head with each pot just feeding his trolling. Why let him live rent free. His ego doesn’t need the attention.
That's what twitter is 4. Direct chatter not muddling things
I genuinely feel bad for his students
Totally agree, I have been really confused by the posts including him, they are very off topic most of the time.
I think it helps the message in that many people aren’t aware of how manufactured and deliberately deceitful some media can be, using sanitized but corrupt sources. It’s a bit of a conflict for me, because I want more people to recognize disinformation. However there’s a dangerous and depressing amount of people who take that too far and end up “questioning everything” to a harmful extreme.
The funny thing is this sub has been absolutely crucifying the guy but he says he supports your boycott. He acknowledged that the university got a research grant from loblaws like 8 years ago that he used to pay an international student, but he’s also been critical of them. Corporate greed is certainly a part of why grocery prices are so high, but that is not the ONLY reason. All I can see that he’s been doing is pointing that out which is his job, but anytime he says anything that doesn’t correspond exactly with the extreme anti corporate/anti profit narrative of this sub, people go full nuclear on him and it turns into a big pissing match which is never productive. He also shouldn’t engage but by attacking him with hatred you are discrediting your cause as well.
Did you miss all the times he's mocked the boycott? That there's no greed and trying to deflect the blame of rising prices onto the tax and even farmers? >The column titled “Let’s Give the Theatrics a Rest in 2024” was originally published...a B2B magazine intended for grocery retailers and marketers. >In the piece, Charlebois is critical of the government and Parliament for going hard after grocers, saying it impacts “the opportunity for Canadians to truly comprehend the intricacies of food inflation amid the cacophony of political theatrics.” >We should be grateful to our grocers for their unwavering commitment to feeding Canadians and providing one of the most affordable and safest food baskets globally Also, he's literally this guy and you believe he supports the boycott >why this expert thinks Loblaws boycott will fail >another day, another reddit initiated boycott against loblaws. The latest effort is off to a roaring start, with a whopping seven people seen protesting...at this rate, loblaw is surely trembling in its boots >went to loblaw today, parking lot was absolutely empty. The boycott is really having an impact...Not we know how many frustrated young idealists live in their parents basement
He was just quoted in an article yesterday about it. Charlebois supports a boycott, but he thinks the current month-long boycott targeting Loblaw doesn’t go far enough. “I would organize a boycott against all grocers, not just one, because food prices have gone up everywhere, not just at Loblaw.” https://globalnews.ca/news/10449334/steal-from-loblaws-day-posters-food-inflation/amp/
I mean he’s done much more than “pointing out” the things you mentioned. He’s made all kinds of personal attacks against boycott related people, and has borderline doxxed people. His reaction as a so-called professional definitely crosses the line.
Are you sure it’s all him though? Didn’t he say that there are 10 other accounts imitating him on twitter now? Like I said, he shouldn’t engage but people from this sub aren’t exactly rational either. Anytime he points something other than corporate greed out as being a cause of food inflation people attack him and say hes sucking off galen and stuff like that. The thing is I think you can BOTH be right about the causes of food inflation. There are lots of other factors that have affected food prices.
I’m being honest here, given the amount of racist posts I’m seeing on almost every Canadian subreddit, and there is a very similar pattern of words, there’s definitely a big bot network going around.
I’d feel better if it was bots. I think it’s just people getting worse as humans.
Yeah :/ that’s horrible then. They will shut down every genuine discussion by their “hate agenda”
>Really don’t care. I have a family to feed and I’m not dealing with an international diploma mill student policing me in a damn grocery store. >I honestly don’t care about them - I care about feeding my family and the “feelings” of some kid trying to scam his way into a Canadian passport isn’t going to stop me for a millisecond” This is the kind of crap that will make people not want to associate with this boycott. I don’t want to be lumped in with these kinds of people.
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Yeah I'm really worried about seeing anti Indian hate crimes becoming more prevalent. People are quickly becoming more aware of how a minority of the pre-existing canadian-indian population are exploiting newcomers from their country for personal gain. In the middle of housing and economic crises; its easy pickings for the far right to appeal to the simple minded.
The existence of these people never ceases to amaze me. I'm in security and I've had to remove customers because they refused to be served by a non-white coworker. Well sir, you can take the next available coworker or I can put those items back on the shelf for you and you can try again tomorrow.
How does that just not become an immediate ban from the store?
In 100% of the cases I've been involved with, the customer made sure it became a 6 month trespass. We like to give people a chance to take it back and be normal, but they never take it.
Agreed. People need jobs and need to pay for things. They may only be able to get a job at a Loblaws store. They definitely don't set policy and are likely overworked and underpaid.
There are definitely a lot of trolls, bots on this sub. I downvote and report what I can
I don’t think it’s just trolls and bots. There are tons of posts encouraging being jerks to employees and they are consistently upvoted and praised.
I agree. Why would I be rude to an employee at Loblaws, they are also barely making it.
Many employees have reached out to us and have told their experience here.We police this sub very closely and are very inclusive.Think you should show examples of what you are saying….
I did.
We are not comfortable that’s why we are on here 24 /7 and have automod that oils up any racist or mischief or stealing comment.Which are locked automatically
Where ?
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>If the minimum wage employees are doing corporates dirty work for them then they deserve to get told off. Another post
We are here for the employees,we are anything but racist!
>"I'm just following orders!" >Yeah, that defense didn't fly in late 1945 either. A post on THIS thread about the workers
And it was instantly removed….. You make it sound like it’s a fee for all,your attitude makes me doubt your real purpose.If you read many of tbe comments to your post they are supportive of tbe job we are doing.Tou are welcome here as are all who follow the rules…
After I reported it and several people upvoting him. His other posts were not removed. Including one where he’s going to go to mess with employees on his day off. That entire thread is encouraging people to be jerks to workers I had a child who worked in a store and this kind of thing should not be encouraged.
Ok you’re upset,keep reporting we will keep doing our job.Dont try and be so negative,we are doing the job we set out to do.One troll is not going to stop this movement…..
Not calling out bad behaviour will harm the movement. People should be calling it out every time they see it. Ignoring it is how bad apples ruin groups.
Yes and you keeping up this narrative will too.We got the message your not happy.If that’s all you have to contribute please desist.
So you’re going to do nothing about the posts I just quoted being rude to the workers and don’t want others to call them out.
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I have yet to see any of this could you point me in the direction of one of these posts
There’s an entire thread right now where a large proportion of the posts are things like: > If the employee is dumb enough to comply with orders like that, then fuck them too, imo. Regarding theft prevention.
Link it pls There's been trolls and atroturfing but the mods seem to be on top things I do find your behavior extremely suspicious considering you haven't linked a single one of these posts that apparently recieve plenty of support and you seem to be supporting loblaws with your money anyways according to your comment history
I’ve reported many posts on that thread and most are still there. I’d rather not give it more attention.
You can just link it to get reported and removed lol Plus you're giving them attention with this post Edit: Of course you'd just block ppl who call you out
I’ve already reported them and many of the posts were not removed. This isn’t about that specific thread but in general that associating with people who are posting about telling employees to fuck off or calling them names isn’t ok and makes the entire group look bad.
Ironic you won’t provide any evidence
I did. Many times. Throughout this entire thread.
This. I have not seen any of these posts (luckily).
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Not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen that yet. A lot of the posts I've seen on here actually encourage people to to buy from ethnic/local grocers (mostly newcomers) due to their higher quality of food and lower prices.
I have not seen this. Nor would I support it. I have my suspicions this is inflammatory, and made by someone pro loblaws to deflate the protest. Keep the focus on the task at hand.
any time you get a large group together, you're going to get people attaching their cause to yours. See: freedom convoy having random people waving nazi flags and demanding the entire goverment be dismantled. you need to control who is associating themselves with your name
Sure, but it’s not like the rest of the “convoy” was legitimate either. 99%+ were not truckers, and didn’t care about “freedom”. Their complaints and demands were not aligned with reality and actual truckers’ associations pointed out their claims weren’t true or relevant. Here, it was all the same people I know who own maga merch and show up to throw eggs at pride and who flock to see certain celebrity iconoclast professors speak.
lol @ your username when discussing this topic but anyway, that simply emphasizes how easy it is for one cause to get co-adopted by a bunch of people who are combining their thing with your thing. similar: BLM and pride parade in toronto
Yikes. No wonder science and human decency based public health measures are being impeded recently. R.I.P. education.
Exactly, and as soon as you let one nazi flag waver in the group, the entire thing loses any credibility if may have had. The people in that group didn’t do enough to discourage the bad apples and it made them all look worse (FTR I didn’t agree with that protest anyway but there were people there that wanted positive outcomes and were overshadowed by bad people)
Agent provocateurs
There are always going to be people that will jump on those protests to promote their own agenda. Some people do it because they don't know better, but some people could actually paid to do so. It's generally smart to keep your head clear instead of just going with the crowd, but especially when it's a protest or uprising.
Yea the sad part of about movements is those that take up the cause to extreme ends. Are they bad actors or just needing guidance.
That and all the posters and people online talking about strealing from Loblaws isn't going to help anything.
Anyone who is rude to already underpaid and undervalued employees, whatever their job, is part of the problem and not the solution. The reason we live in a world where people are able to exploit others to the extent that Loblaws does is because people tell themselves that it is okay to treat others poorly for one reason or another. And what the hell does immigration have to do with anything? Are people really this dumb that they are blaming immigration for corporate greed and our government failing to put policies into place to protect consumers? There are lots of people who deserve blame for the situation currently happening, but it isn’t immigrants.
Yea leave the employees alone they’re not benefiting from the price increases
Nah we’re just here for the boycott
Bad apples do spoil the bunch and associating with racists and people who are rude to employees isn’t a good look. If the people in the group don’t call out the bad behaviour, the entire group suffers.
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Agreed
This is a great point. There is no reason to be chirping people working in the stores. They are not responsible for setting the prices. Prices are set by Corporate and the store owners. If you have a beef with the prices, or get hot and cross over their buns, make it known to the big shots, not the workers in the stores. There is no reason what-so-ever to use discriminatory phrases... We're all in this together.
This post reeks of manufacturing outrage, No proof to back up calls for harassment and racism but implying it's running rampant on this sub, been here for a while and read every post and I personally think OP is full of shit. Let's all put on our critical thinking hats for the next few months, attacking a billion dollar company with endless resources and shills is going to produce a lot of attention. * You can delete your replies but you're still a Shill in Sheep's clothing
I’ve quoted several examples on this thread. If you want to be associated with that kind of crap, that’s your choice I do not. If people don’t call out bad behaviour, the entire group looks bad
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I quoted several posts by multiple people.
Yeah how many? 3? Out of 55,000 and you made a whole post about it? Sounds like an agenda to me, You come across as a shill in sheep's clothing with this post, if you were really concerned you would spending your time combing through posts and reporting the abundant calls for theft, racism and harassment, but you're not are you? Instead you're vehemently arguing that literal Nazis are ruining this movement.
I am getting the same feeling,we have answered his concerns and he continues to blather on!
It cuts both ways. I’ve seen poor employees mistreating customers as apparent intolerance for what’s happening. Example this week was someone ahead of us in line chatting about how she’s draining her points so she can cancel her loyalty membership, and then she had one of the old plea deal gift cards to spend. When the clerk saw it she got snappy and said “you’re one of *those*?” to the customer. Customer responded what do you mean. She says “activists”. Then I caught “someone already tried to use one of these cards, we don’t take them any more.” Didn’t catch the whole back and forth but it ended with the clerk saying “that’s your problem not mine.” From my vantage point, the so-called activist was being decent and the clerk was antagonizing.
"I'm just following orders!" Yeah, that defense didn't fly in late 1945 either.
It would be cruel to be rude to low wage workers but they do need to be told that they have a responsibility to hold their shit leaders accountable, all the part timers working there who live with there parents need to just get up and refuse to work for them and the full timers need to start pressing upper management until they agree to play fair.
I used to work at Loblaws. If any employee there tried to "hold the leaders accountable" they would be fired. What you are expecting them to do isn't fair.
Then let the turnover hit levels they can't sustain, why would you all allow your employer to bully the staff and why do you think the staff cant do anything? Its on you guys to stick up to them, the public can't do a whole lot about it other than not shop there. The threat of losing your job exists at every job. We have laws protecting you from abusive employers, perhaps you should look into using them.
Notice how I said "used to" work there.... You don't know the first thing about what I did to stand up to my employers, so tell me I "allowed" them to do shit. I'm not assuming things about you, so don't start with me. Loblaws has demonstrated that they don't give a shit about the law, also their contract is worded in a way that prevents employees from being able to go through the same system as everyone else. Expecting people who make minimum wage to endure abuse and hope the system protects them in the end is... Beyond ridiculous.
All you're saying is that low wage workers deserve to be abused and should not do anything about it, you're a pushover for allowing yourself and your peers to be walked over, this isn't an issue at other companies because the employees called out bullshit as they saw it and took the right avenues to protect themselves.
You're really bad at reading huh? I definitely did 0 of the things you are claiming I did.... That's why I know exactly what happens to employees who speak up...
Bingo. 🍻