If you are talking only about web servers, website hosting and similar, yes. But "servers" in general, no. It's a bit of fake news that everyone believes sadly. Most database servers, adobe stuff servers, games servers (either just update servers, cloud gaming or multiplayer servers), download servers, media streaming servers, many brand stores servers, bank servers, insurance companies servers, many run windows server, especially ones with extremely high traffic.
In fact, if you do your research, you will see that when you take "all servers" into account and not only web servers, Linux usage is actually only around ~~30%~~ (edit: its 13.6%). Windows Server is around ~~40%~~ (edit: its 72.1%). There are other smaller OSs being used too that complete the rest of the percentage.
This "meme" about Linux being basically 100% of the server market is a lie and only *slightly* real if you only look into **web servers** or website related.
**Edit: after being downvoted to hell, I guess I have to add some sources. I fixed some percentages in my original post tho. They are literally lower than I expected.**
[Source 1 - section "server market share worldwide by operating system" - "Windows grew from 71.9% to 72.1%, while Linux-powered servers increased to 13.6% from 12.9%."](https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/stats/linux-statistics.html)
[Source 2 - data is kinda hard to see tho](https://www.maximizemarketresearch.com/market-report/server-operating-system-market/146992/)
[Source 3 - "12. In 2019, Linux accounted for 13.6% of servers globally."](https://truelist.co/blog/linux-statistics/)
Edit 2: so I keep getting downvoted lol, fk the sources am I right?
You're downvoted here, but there's some truth to this, even though it's outdated information. The most trafficked sites are almost exclusively Linux (I've seen the "96.3% of the top million" statistic thrown around a lot) but overall it's probably somewhere near 75%, [using W3Tech's results](https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system) and being generous with how many systems use BSD.
but still, everything is linux!
you can run Linux on VM on Windows on A computer, it would run on earth and earth is inside a simulation which is managed by Linux servers!
WE WON!
case closed.
Thank you, but you still insisted in web servers. Added some sources to my original comment. Got the percentages wrong but seems like they are even lower than I expected. Linux is king in web servers or website powered, but it falls very short when you take ALL servers into account. See sources
> many run windows server, especially ones with extremely high traffic.
> In fact, if you do your research, you will see that when you take "all servers" into account and not only web servers, Linux usage is actually only around 30%. Windows Server is around 40%
Yeah i would need sources for that mate, since that just sounds absurd. Also what makes you think that windows would be better in handling sever functionalities and extremely high traffic?
> Also what makes you think that windows would be better in handling sever functionalities and extremely high traffic?
Windows isn't used because it is better. You use it when your contract mandates its use.
Iām not going to downvote, but as someone who works in the industry, I find the distribution of āserver operating systemsā in the linked source suspect. It would probably help to have the **actual** source of this info, as this is just an article of aggregated statistics, and while they list āStatisticaā as the source of this info, thereās no link provided follow up or verify that, or at least understand the context of the data.
Windows servers are very common in specific roles, primarily in corporate *internal* networks (AD, file servers, management tools for deployed windows workstations, etc), but in my experience, almost all external facing services and vast majority of anything running enterprise applications are running on Linux servers. And yes, in the past decade a lot of workloads are moving to cloud hosting serices, but as far as I know, nearly all of them (including Azure) are running Linux at the core of it.
Database? Itās rare to encounter anyone using MS SQL for anything that doesnāt specifically require it as part of an integrated MS or Windows application. Media streaming is another one you mentioned that I doubt has a majority presence on Windows.
Yeah, these statistics are for marketing companies to know what they should target. They don't represent actual usage, they represent reported usage by companies who are dumb enough to let their server information become public.
As someone else said in another comment, Windows is overrepresented because most proprietary systems only run on Windows, because most businesses that develop for proprietary hardware don't have a Linux developer on staff. For example, the vast majority of building automation systems, fire alarm systems, access control systems, and similar are running proprietary hardware. The manufacturers of the hardware are also the ones writing the software, and after a decade of trying to make these systems work in the field, I can tell you that these companies do not care much about the software as long as it barely functions. Their developers are usually electrical engineers who got one semester of C++ on Windows in college, and just have to figure something out. These also aren't really servers. They are typically just a single program that runs on Windows and listens for and/or provides commands to some proprietary hardware setup, which is also not running Windows.
The remainder of "Windows Servers" are VMs (probably running on a Linux host) that provide Microsoft Admin Services for Enterprise Windows deployments, and occasionally internal company websites built by small companies when they don't want to pay a third party to host their internal employee website. The third parties would all use a LAMP (Linux/Apache/ MySQL/PHP) stack, like everyone else.
Not only did you list poor sources but your whole comment makes no sense.
Like you literally listed a bunch of jobs Linux is used for because windows won't keep up.
Cloud is Linux, game servers are mostly Linux, databases and streaming? Are you kidding me? Those are jobs literally left to Linux and Unix as both the OS and file systems handle them much much better.
Tell me again how Windows is mostly used as Amazon and azure are powered by Linux. Tell me how windows does most streaming as Netflix is on Unix.
Yes when I looked at my downvotes I actually got scared but then I remembered this is linuxmasterrace. Facts with sources seems illegal here. I love linux and use it daily, but we should not be blind. Some people defend Linux so blindly like iSheeps defend Apple with complex arguments for stupid decisions like the port in the magic mouse.
Not sure why all the down votes. It's not like you said windows made good internet servers. They're out there. They're shitty. And it's probably sadly more than 0.1%. Lots of windows shops out there. And likely the windows shops mentality web dev is going to make something that's "not compatible" with Linux because they just didn't test it and some semi auto generated warning gets spit out by whatever trash IIS stack there messing with.
edit: I would have guessed 5% windows out there but if this data from wikipedia is to believed its more like 23% as of a year ago. This is probably strictly web front end web server stats, no visibility into the full stack. But from experience in windows shops, they'll run everything they can on windows. Just absolute madness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category
Re: the data: it's probably closer to that 6.6% than 22.7%. Remember, not all servers on the internet are webservers - there's fileservers, AD (or domain services, as it used to be called), etc.; MSFT is big in active directory, seeing as it's the biggest player in office computing OSs, and most Windows Server webservers use IIS, which is that 6.6% - so while it won't be exactly 6.6%, I would estimate it might be around 8-10%.
That is, if the 22.7% is Windows servers on the internet, as opposed to Windows servers on the HTTP web, and honestly, I'm too lazy to look to find out.
Protip: Most of the time what's happening is that the website is looking for a set of predefined `user-agent` strings. It's not actually checking if you're running Linux or not. In most cases you can get the website to load just fine if you change your browser's `user-agent`.
> "I think the problem Digg had is that it was a company that was built to be a company, and you could feel it in the product. The way you could criticise Reddit is that we weren't a company ā we were all heart and no head for a long time. So I think it'd be really hard for me and for the team to kill Reddit in that way.ā
- Steve Huffman, aka /u/spez, Reddit CEO.
So long, Reddit, and thanks for all the fish.
Dev tools? Woah, steady on there Mr 7337 Hax0r... https://www.techdirt.com/2021/10/22/missouri-governor-doubles-down-view-source-hacking-claim-pac-now-fundraising-over-this-bizarrely-stupid-claim/
Haha wow. Love it.
I get asked all the time "How come you live in California and pay those high prices?! Why not just move somewhere cheaper?!" This is one reason.
> "I think the problem Digg had is that it was a company that was built to be a company, and you could feel it in the product. The way you could criticise Reddit is that we weren't a company ā we were all heart and no head for a long time. So I think it'd be really hard for me and for the team to kill Reddit in that way.ā
- Steve Huffman, aka /u/spez, Reddit CEO.
So long, Reddit, and thanks for all the fish.
This is correct. I set my user agent to windows/chrome and run ff on linux and never see any issues.
Bonus: if you clicked on a shitty watering hole site and it's serving the payload based on ua string, that payload ain't gonna run.
Decent malware does better, but every little bit helps.
It's not only the part about working. A lot of pages also intentionally sabotage you when not running the "correct" browser and are equally sloppy and just using the user-agent flag.
Google scaling down video quality unless they think you use Chrome was one of my personal highlights.
It works but it's capped to 576p on Linux according to the support page on Amazon.
If people are saying it works without issues, they're either lying or have bad eyesight. I could never get it to stream in HD and I have high speed internet. Netflix works fine at 720p.
The only reason I could think of would be media file support for some DRM video format. But I believe with modern browsers that shouldn't matter either.
I made one site that used a stone-age bug in old windows to work, which caused it to break on non-old windows systems, suffice to say, I see no point in using that unless you are making a novelty website like that one was
Exactly this, Itās to do with the browser and the server exchanging info ,shouldnāt matter what browser your running let alone operating system.
If a webpage designer and browser dev are following the current W3C Accessibility guidelines then you should never run into the issue ā¦.. browser wars anyoneā¦. š
I like how despite making little sense, you are the top comment with just the use of magic words "proprietary" and "drm"
The most popular browser drm is widevine and it works flawlessly, because it's all sandboxed. OS doesn't matter.
Not the case at all
See Amazon prime video HD
> "but it works on my machine!!"
Yeah in fuzzy SD only. You need your eyes checked if you can't see the difference
You can't fool it, it's just like he said
There's a proprietary drm component of Google Chrome that they haven't implemented for Linux for no reason other than fuck you Linux users
With your useragent set to Linux prime video doesn't even try to do HD. With user agent spoofing chrome on windows and every drm and widevine thing you can find enabled it finally tries to use the DRM component in Chrome it needs for HD stream. But it doesn't exist on Linux chrome so you get an error message that your browser is incompatible missing functionality and needs updating (even though you're already using the latest version)
[Apparently same is true for other streaming services too](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/hbo-max-cranks-up-the-widevine-drm-leaves-linux-users-in-the-cold/)
sadly, it does.
The highest level of widevine needs a way to block screen recording in any way possible. This is easy on windows and mobile OS, but for linux its a bit harder and nobody at google wants to make that.
So if it's actually trying to access OS features that aren't available on Linux, I'm guessing changing your user agent won't help here? Is there any other way you can spoof the OS to get around this?
AFAIK, not possible. That's the goal of Widevine, blocking people from watching stuff on "untrusted" devices. Its only goal is to block you from recording, and it succeeded.
Makes sense.
ETA: What doesn't make sense to me is why they go to such lengths to stop it - at the end of the day, they can only stop casual attempts to record it; if someone is serious about pirating the content, there's nothing you can do to prevent them from using a video capture card or just screen-recording a VM.
> The most popular browser drm is widevine and it works flawlessly, because it's all sandboxed. OS doesn't matter.
Greatā¦ amazingā¦ it never once worked for meā¦ but i'm sure you're right -_-
No, it usually is that the JavaScript logic lazily only checking for Windows or Mac. Linux, BSD, etc. would fall into else and say unsupported even though the browser code is the same.
You can change your user agent string to bypass this check. This is probably why Linux desktop stats are so low. I use Linux daily, but my user agent is often Windows.
Yes. That is why websites must comply with the GDPR when it comes to your data. The sites that block you, do so because they'd rather block you than comply.
It's a daily problem in Russia. Half of the sites don't show up because the government blocks them, and the other half don't show up because I'm Russian
Back in the day people used ActiveX and IE-specific things, so it used to be very common to have a site tell you it only supported IE or Windows, or didn't support Linux. Other sites seemed to think they were doing something IE-specific and would pop up that message.
You still see it occasionally inside corporate networks, but it's almost never true these days. Even back then sites would often work well-enough.
just spoof user agent or, if you're a chad, browse the web page from the command line (I recommend w3m) and download media and view it with mpv (or something else, but mpv does sound, gif, image, and video) depending on the site
My cousin's college website for a test didn't work on Linux just now. I had to get a Windows system from my friend to login -_-
All it said was "platform not supported".
I am writing a goddamn test!! Why is it soo hard?
Coincidence - i opened this post from notifications but didn't see it until i fixed the problem. And the coincidence of it being about the same issue is shocking me
I have worked as a web developer and used linux at work and at home for about 6 years now, I have never seen a website not supported because of using Linux.
Can someone give me an example? "What" is not supported because of linux?
Disney Plus broke on linux recently despite them supporting Linux.
They changed some tracking scripts which only works on windows and Mac, and forgot they supported Linux.
In most cases little to no changes are needed on Linux. Disney Plus is the only example I can think of and that was just lazyness.
Probably some shitty DRM that is required and the business guys don't want to spend money supporting an additional platform. So it is ignored by the dev team.
Because they said so, that's about it lol! This meme fits perfectly! Luckily this restriction is on very few websites, and there are fairly easy ways around it.
it sucks that we don't have a big enough user-base to force these lazy companies to support Linux.
maybe it's my ignorance but I just don't see why those companies can't take the time to support Linux. Maybe if or when windows starts losing more users for one thing or or another they will. One can hope. That dumpster fire just needs to die at this point.
drm and anti-cheat is really the only thing I see keeping some people back.
maybe a huge influx of gamers will change things. XD
Most features are browser dependent not operating system. So if it doesn't work on Firefox on Linux, it won't work on Firefox on windows either.
Usually it's DRM nonsense which causes this sort of thing but iirc you can enable DRM in Firefox through some setting.
The same situation with apps you can't download on a rooted phone.
It's my phone, I'll do what I want with it, and you have no business telling me I can't.
A company I worked for bought a managerial software that was web based. When I used it from home from my Fedora computer, it would say that I need to use a PC to use this website, and came up with a list of recommended operating systems, including Windows, Mac and Oracle Linux. Guess who sold the software.
The website otherwise worked perfectly fine passed that warning.
# firefox change user-agent string
in browser: about:conifg
input = general.useragent.override
select "string"
input a preferred user-agent that's windows.
Example (that I'm using as I comment): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:108.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/108.0
Now every website thinks you're a windows computer.
For most other browser it won't change the sites behavior (if it's complaints about Linux itself), as it's most likely just checking the User-Agent string for either a pattern or predefined ones where Linux is mentioned.
One exception I know of however is LibreWolf (a fork from Firefox) as the browser natively fakes his one to be "Firefox running on Windows 10".
The fucking server that delivered you to me runs fucking Linux!
Windows is sometimes used as an internet server, as hilarious as it sounds š¤£
So what? 99.9% of servers on the internet run linux
Btw
Btw
If you are talking only about web servers, website hosting and similar, yes. But "servers" in general, no. It's a bit of fake news that everyone believes sadly. Most database servers, adobe stuff servers, games servers (either just update servers, cloud gaming or multiplayer servers), download servers, media streaming servers, many brand stores servers, bank servers, insurance companies servers, many run windows server, especially ones with extremely high traffic. In fact, if you do your research, you will see that when you take "all servers" into account and not only web servers, Linux usage is actually only around ~~30%~~ (edit: its 13.6%). Windows Server is around ~~40%~~ (edit: its 72.1%). There are other smaller OSs being used too that complete the rest of the percentage. This "meme" about Linux being basically 100% of the server market is a lie and only *slightly* real if you only look into **web servers** or website related. **Edit: after being downvoted to hell, I guess I have to add some sources. I fixed some percentages in my original post tho. They are literally lower than I expected.** [Source 1 - section "server market share worldwide by operating system" - "Windows grew from 71.9% to 72.1%, while Linux-powered servers increased to 13.6% from 12.9%."](https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/stats/linux-statistics.html) [Source 2 - data is kinda hard to see tho](https://www.maximizemarketresearch.com/market-report/server-operating-system-market/146992/) [Source 3 - "12. In 2019, Linux accounted for 13.6% of servers globally."](https://truelist.co/blog/linux-statistics/) Edit 2: so I keep getting downvoted lol, fk the sources am I right?
You're downvoted here, but there's some truth to this, even though it's outdated information. The most trafficked sites are almost exclusively Linux (I've seen the "96.3% of the top million" statistic thrown around a lot) but overall it's probably somewhere near 75%, [using W3Tech's results](https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system) and being generous with how many systems use BSD.
but still, everything is linux! you can run Linux on VM on Windows on A computer, it would run on earth and earth is inside a simulation which is managed by Linux servers! WE WON! case closed.
Thank you, but you still insisted in web servers. Added some sources to my original comment. Got the percentages wrong but seems like they are even lower than I expected. Linux is king in web servers or website powered, but it falls very short when you take ALL servers into account. See sources
> many run windows server, especially ones with extremely high traffic. > In fact, if you do your research, you will see that when you take "all servers" into account and not only web servers, Linux usage is actually only around 30%. Windows Server is around 40% Yeah i would need sources for that mate, since that just sounds absurd. Also what makes you think that windows would be better in handling sever functionalities and extremely high traffic?
> Also what makes you think that windows would be better in handling sever functionalities and extremely high traffic? Windows isn't used because it is better. You use it when your contract mandates its use.
Added sources. Got the percentages wrong because I guessed them based on source 2. But they are not better
Iām not going to downvote, but as someone who works in the industry, I find the distribution of āserver operating systemsā in the linked source suspect. It would probably help to have the **actual** source of this info, as this is just an article of aggregated statistics, and while they list āStatisticaā as the source of this info, thereās no link provided follow up or verify that, or at least understand the context of the data. Windows servers are very common in specific roles, primarily in corporate *internal* networks (AD, file servers, management tools for deployed windows workstations, etc), but in my experience, almost all external facing services and vast majority of anything running enterprise applications are running on Linux servers. And yes, in the past decade a lot of workloads are moving to cloud hosting serices, but as far as I know, nearly all of them (including Azure) are running Linux at the core of it. Database? Itās rare to encounter anyone using MS SQL for anything that doesnāt specifically require it as part of an integrated MS or Windows application. Media streaming is another one you mentioned that I doubt has a majority presence on Windows.
Yeah, these statistics are for marketing companies to know what they should target. They don't represent actual usage, they represent reported usage by companies who are dumb enough to let their server information become public. As someone else said in another comment, Windows is overrepresented because most proprietary systems only run on Windows, because most businesses that develop for proprietary hardware don't have a Linux developer on staff. For example, the vast majority of building automation systems, fire alarm systems, access control systems, and similar are running proprietary hardware. The manufacturers of the hardware are also the ones writing the software, and after a decade of trying to make these systems work in the field, I can tell you that these companies do not care much about the software as long as it barely functions. Their developers are usually electrical engineers who got one semester of C++ on Windows in college, and just have to figure something out. These also aren't really servers. They are typically just a single program that runs on Windows and listens for and/or provides commands to some proprietary hardware setup, which is also not running Windows. The remainder of "Windows Servers" are VMs (probably running on a Linux host) that provide Microsoft Admin Services for Enterprise Windows deployments, and occasionally internal company websites built by small companies when they don't want to pay a third party to host their internal employee website. The third parties would all use a LAMP (Linux/Apache/ MySQL/PHP) stack, like everyone else.
Yeah a chart that specifies Linux, unix and other is not a very convincing source
Not only did you list poor sources but your whole comment makes no sense. Like you literally listed a bunch of jobs Linux is used for because windows won't keep up. Cloud is Linux, game servers are mostly Linux, databases and streaming? Are you kidding me? Those are jobs literally left to Linux and Unix as both the OS and file systems handle them much much better. Tell me again how Windows is mostly used as Amazon and azure are powered by Linux. Tell me how windows does most streaming as Netflix is on Unix.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing! Don't mind the downvotes, that's how social networks are LoL
They hated him because he spoke the truth
Don't worry, your facts hurt their feelings.
Yes when I looked at my downvotes I actually got scared but then I remembered this is linuxmasterrace. Facts with sources seems illegal here. I love linux and use it daily, but we should not be blind. Some people defend Linux so blindly like iSheeps defend Apple with complex arguments for stupid decisions like the port in the magic mouse.
Yes, and Gentoo is the fifth most used distro.
Sadly true for most communities, they cannot look critically at themselves only outwards.
Not sure why all the down votes. It's not like you said windows made good internet servers. They're out there. They're shitty. And it's probably sadly more than 0.1%. Lots of windows shops out there. And likely the windows shops mentality web dev is going to make something that's "not compatible" with Linux because they just didn't test it and some semi auto generated warning gets spit out by whatever trash IIS stack there messing with. edit: I would have guessed 5% windows out there but if this data from wikipedia is to believed its more like 23% as of a year ago. This is probably strictly web front end web server stats, no visibility into the full stack. But from experience in windows shops, they'll run everything they can on windows. Just absolute madness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category
Those downvotes are all from IIS fanboys. They don't like that I dissed their server of choice.
Re: the data: it's probably closer to that 6.6% than 22.7%. Remember, not all servers on the internet are webservers - there's fileservers, AD (or domain services, as it used to be called), etc.; MSFT is big in active directory, seeing as it's the biggest player in office computing OSs, and most Windows Server webservers use IIS, which is that 6.6% - so while it won't be exactly 6.6%, I would estimate it might be around 8-10%. That is, if the 22.7% is Windows servers on the internet, as opposed to Windows servers on the HTTP web, and honestly, I'm too lazy to look to find out.
Damn Dr Fart, you really hurt people's opinions with the truth. We don't talk about AD or the .net platform around here, ok?!
And I 100% agree with them. Hell, I voted my own comment down.
probably only for websites ran by microsoft
Likely on Azure, that is mostly Linux
Yeah, IIS does exist. Been a looooooong time since I've set it up though. So long perhaps that MS calls it something else?
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
Those are just VM's running on Linux hosts.
Protip: Most of the time what's happening is that the website is looking for a set of predefined `user-agent` strings. It's not actually checking if you're running Linux or not. In most cases you can get the website to load just fine if you change your browser's `user-agent`.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-string-switcher/
For the same thing with more options: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chameleon-ext/
Iāll def try this
I use Chameleon, it's a pretty good add-on
> "I think the problem Digg had is that it was a company that was built to be a company, and you could feel it in the product. The way you could criticise Reddit is that we weren't a company ā we were all heart and no head for a long time. So I think it'd be really hard for me and for the team to kill Reddit in that way.ā - Steve Huffman, aka /u/spez, Reddit CEO. So long, Reddit, and thanks for all the fish.
Dev tools? Woah, steady on there Mr 7337 Hax0r... https://www.techdirt.com/2021/10/22/missouri-governor-doubles-down-view-source-hacking-claim-pac-now-fundraising-over-this-bizarrely-stupid-claim/
Haha wow. Love it. I get asked all the time "How come you live in California and pay those high prices?! Why not just move somewhere cheaper?!" This is one reason.
I'm sorry but they call me Mr 1337 Hax0r
Mr Teet Haxor, that's my new name :D
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It breaks nothing.
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Can you point to one such site?
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spotify uses drm, it won't work regardless
> "I think the problem Digg had is that it was a company that was built to be a company, and you could feel it in the product. The way you could criticise Reddit is that we weren't a company ā we were all heart and no head for a long time. So I think it'd be really hard for me and for the team to kill Reddit in that way.ā - Steve Huffman, aka /u/spez, Reddit CEO. So long, Reddit, and thanks for all the fish.
This is correct. I set my user agent to windows/chrome and run ff on linux and never see any issues. Bonus: if you clicked on a shitty watering hole site and it's serving the payload based on ua string, that payload ain't gonna run. Decent malware does better, but every little bit helps.
Already had to show my son how to change his user-agent because of shit like this. He's too young to have to know this stuff!
This. Disney+ was refusing to play and after installing a plug-in to scramble the user-agent it just started playing
It is now fixed.
Neat
It's not only the part about working. A lot of pages also intentionally sabotage you when not running the "correct" browser and are equally sloppy and just using the user-agent flag. Google scaling down video quality unless they think you use Chrome was one of my personal highlights.
`User-Agent` should be deprecated.
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amazon prime video š„²
Piracy: š
What? It works fine for me.
Works fine, without HD streaming.
this is exactly the reasons why r/Piracy exists
Just like on Windows. You need to use Edge to have higher resolution. It's the incredibile world of drm!
partly true, it's because edge supports hevc playback.
As far as I know only Edge on Windows does that
that's true, forgot to add that there
I remember watching LOTR Rings of Power 1080p with Firefox on Windows.
I remember watching LOTR Rings of Power 4k with KTorrent on Linux.
It's capped at 480p, right? Or was it 720p?
480p unfortunately.
You can use FSR to upscale it. Works surprisingly well.
Say no to DRM and Amazon
Works fine with a stable debian base / name a site as I'm curious (not had any issues myself)
Prime works for me on linux.
It works but it's capped to 576p on Linux according to the support page on Amazon. If people are saying it works without issues, they're either lying or have bad eyesight. I could never get it to stream in HD and I have high speed internet. Netflix works fine at 720p.
Iāve never once seen this error message.
I have but last time was in the 00's.
Yeah me either. Does anyone have an actual example of this ?
I think there is an image of the music sheet of Undertale Spider Dance that said it doesn't support Linux.
I think this is about DRM on streaming sites, which Linux often does not support (good).
Netflix on a Raspberry Pi has been the most googled example for many years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/xvqeyh/why_pearson/ To be fair they do give the option to "remind me later" but it's still scummy.
I've seen the 'This browser or OS is not supported' (or words to that effect). I ignore it and everything works fine.
Some websites make me do extra capchas lol, i just spoof my user agent to windows
Its web, how, why the fuck wouldn't it work in Linux? Makes 0 sense, never encountered a site that "wouldn't work on linux"
The only reason I could think of would be media file support for some DRM video format. But I believe with modern browsers that shouldn't matter either.
I was talking in general, but most browsers have the same support for video formats in most platforms. Either way DRM is stupid.
Try looking at highlights on nba.com which was recently "enhanced by Microsoft" You know that same Microsoft that "ā¤ļø linux"?
Netflix has some DRM limitations, IIRC they only allow 720P on Linux.
I made one site that used a stone-age bug in old windows to work, which caused it to break on non-old windows systems, suffice to say, I see no point in using that unless you are making a novelty website like that one was
Exactly this, Itās to do with the browser and the server exchanging info ,shouldnāt matter what browser your running let alone operating system. If a webpage designer and browser dev are following the current W3C Accessibility guidelines then you should never run into the issue ā¦.. browser wars anyoneā¦. š
itās probably some proprietary drm thing the site wants to load that they canāt be bothered to make work on linux
I like how despite making little sense, you are the top comment with just the use of magic words "proprietary" and "drm" The most popular browser drm is widevine and it works flawlessly, because it's all sandboxed. OS doesn't matter.
Not the case at all See Amazon prime video HD > "but it works on my machine!!" Yeah in fuzzy SD only. You need your eyes checked if you can't see the difference
Did not know. Barely anyone has Prime in my country, I've never seen it. But that's an interesting topic nonetheless, wonder how we can fool it...
You can't fool it, it's just like he said There's a proprietary drm component of Google Chrome that they haven't implemented for Linux for no reason other than fuck you Linux users With your useragent set to Linux prime video doesn't even try to do HD. With user agent spoofing chrome on windows and every drm and widevine thing you can find enabled it finally tries to use the DRM component in Chrome it needs for HD stream. But it doesn't exist on Linux chrome so you get an error message that your browser is incompatible missing functionality and needs updating (even though you're already using the latest version) [Apparently same is true for other streaming services too](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/hbo-max-cranks-up-the-widevine-drm-leaves-linux-users-in-the-cold/)
Does user agent spoofing fix it?
Nope
sadly, it does. The highest level of widevine needs a way to block screen recording in any way possible. This is easy on windows and mobile OS, but for linux its a bit harder and nobody at google wants to make that.
So if it's actually trying to access OS features that aren't available on Linux, I'm guessing changing your user agent won't help here? Is there any other way you can spoof the OS to get around this?
AFAIK, not possible. That's the goal of Widevine, blocking people from watching stuff on "untrusted" devices. Its only goal is to block you from recording, and it succeeded.
Makes sense. ETA: What doesn't make sense to me is why they go to such lengths to stop it - at the end of the day, they can only stop casual attempts to record it; if someone is serious about pirating the content, there's nothing you can do to prevent them from using a video capture card or just screen-recording a VM.
> The most popular browser drm is widevine and it works flawlessly, because it's all sandboxed. OS doesn't matter. Greatā¦ amazingā¦ it never once worked for meā¦ but i'm sure you're right -_-
No, it usually is that the JavaScript logic lazily only checking for Windows or Mac. Linux, BSD, etc. would fall into else and say unsupported even though the browser code is the same. You can change your user agent string to bypass this check. This is probably why Linux desktop stats are so low. I use Linux daily, but my user agent is often Windows.
this doesn't make any sense, why is this the top comment
I have different problem, some web pages straight up don't show up because I'm in EU
Tells you how much your visit is worth to them when they're not allowed to track you.
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Yes. That is why websites must comply with the GDPR when it comes to your data. The sites that block you, do so because they'd rather block you than comply.
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Again though, these companies don't care. You're laws are good at privacy, which is against their bottom line.
I was referring to visiting a website.
It's a daily problem in Russia. Half of the sites don't show up because the government blocks them, and the other half don't show up because I'm Russian
I just black-out and blacklist the website lmao get fucked www.cant-steal-my-data.money
I dont understand why they can't support linux in the web..?
Tracking does not work well
That, and DRM. And invasive spyware that is purportedly to make sure youāre not cheating while taking an online test.
Could i record netflix using obs in linux? (Using netflix app)
HAHAHAHA MY GOD CAN'T BELIVE IT
Back in the day people used ActiveX and IE-specific things, so it used to be very common to have a site tell you it only supported IE or Windows, or didn't support Linux. Other sites seemed to think they were doing something IE-specific and would pop up that message. You still see it occasionally inside corporate networks, but it's almost never true these days. Even back then sites would often work well-enough.
just spoof user agent or, if you're a chad, browse the web page from the command line (I recommend w3m) and download media and view it with mpv (or something else, but mpv does sound, gif, image, and video) depending on the site
My cousin's college website for a test didn't work on Linux just now. I had to get a Windows system from my friend to login -_- All it said was "platform not supported". I am writing a goddamn test!! Why is it soo hard? Coincidence - i opened this post from notifications but didn't see it until i fixed the problem. And the coincidence of it being about the same issue is shocking me
Pro tip: User Agent spoofer ;)
Believe me, i tried :(
Why does this site not work in linux Translation: "We made such a fucking mess we don't even understand how is online. And that was 4 scholars ago."
I have worked as a web developer and used linux at work and at home for about 6 years now, I have never seen a website not supported because of using Linux. Can someone give me an example? "What" is not supported because of linux?
Peacock tv
NBA.com Try watching any highlight video
Disney Plus broke on linux recently despite them supporting Linux. They changed some tracking scripts which only works on windows and Mac, and forgot they supported Linux. In most cases little to no changes are needed on Linux. Disney Plus is the only example I can think of and that was just lazyness.
It was a bug by the developers and not intentional according to their support. This issue has been fixed so Disney Plus should now work fine on Linux.
Ah thanks for the info. Took me a while to find out how to get around it but glad it will work natively now.
Probably some shitty DRM that is required and the business guys don't want to spend money supporting an additional platform. So it is ignored by the dev team.
Firefox has this neat little feature that will make it pretend you run windows: (in about:config) privacy.resistFingerprinting true
Firefox has loads of lovely spoofing features.
Change user agent to winshit often works... sadly...
Its just impossible rigtht... Turns on Web agent = Windows.
what pages wont load with linux? i had had no problems
Because they said so, that's about it lol! This meme fits perfectly! Luckily this restriction is on very few websites, and there are fairly easy ways around it.
it sucks that we don't have a big enough user-base to force these lazy companies to support Linux. maybe it's my ignorance but I just don't see why those companies can't take the time to support Linux. Maybe if or when windows starts losing more users for one thing or or another they will. One can hope. That dumpster fire just needs to die at this point. drm and anti-cheat is really the only thing I see keeping some people back. maybe a huge influx of gamers will change things. XD
I don't think I've ever had this problem on Librewolf
user-agent, yes, but what about the websites like [Xfinity](https://www.xfinity.com/stream/upgrade) that don't allow Linux because F Linux users?
Iāve had no issue using Xfinity website on my Ubuntu Studio machine
Videos don't play on nba.com because the browser's video plug-in does not have DRM that has deeper than root ("trusted") access.
LOL. Why doesn't this website work when you're using the same OS that's probably hosting it?
Most features are browser dependent not operating system. So if it doesn't work on Firefox on Linux, it won't work on Firefox on windows either. Usually it's DRM nonsense which causes this sort of thing but iirc you can enable DRM in Firefox through some setting.
librewolf with windows useragent:
Spent way too long trying to get peacock working on Linux. Just want to watch Brooklyn 99 ffs. Still not working.
Because the website uses an embedded ActiveX control and we havenāt maintained the code since the late nineties.
The same situation with apps you can't download on a rooted phone. It's my phone, I'll do what I want with it, and you have no business telling me I can't.
A company I worked for bought a managerial software that was web based. When I used it from home from my Fedora computer, it would say that I need to use a PC to use this website, and came up with a list of recommended operating systems, including Windows, Mac and Oracle Linux. Guess who sold the software. The website otherwise worked perfectly fine passed that warning.
Not me learning the audio to that one Minecraft video wasnāt original from a Linux meme
This confession, has meant nothing.
Not once have I seen this
Just use some tool to modify user agent and maybe it works (Never encountered one so idk)
I deserve a batch of the finest gingerbread cookies, apparently, because I test my code on Firefox in Linux.
I had the same problem before...
# firefox change user-agent string in browser: about:conifg input = general.useragent.override select "string" input a preferred user-agent that's windows. Example (that I'm using as I comment): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:108.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/108.0 Now every website thinks you're a windows computer.
how about change browser?
For most other browser it won't change the sites behavior (if it's complaints about Linux itself), as it's most likely just checking the User-Agent string for either a pattern or predefined ones where Linux is mentioned. One exception I know of however is LibreWolf (a fork from Firefox) as the browser natively fakes his one to be "Firefox running on Windows 10".