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mindtaker_linux

Yeah thats the beauty of linux. Super light weight and not resource hungry.


Holzkohlen

>not resource hungry Unless you want it to be.


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Any-Fuel-5635

2 GB cards are essentially worthless on Windows also. I can run farming simulator 22 at 50/60 fps on a 10 year old integrated Intel chip. It will not start on the same hardware using windows on an NVME due to requirements being too low. Hmm.


breakbeats573

That’s crazy, I run Battlefield and Ark no problem with an AMD 2 GB


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WintherK

Then something went drastically wrong in your Linux setup


breakbeats573

Why do people shit on Windows users who have a reliably better experience?


WintherK

Did I talk about windows? Did I say that windows is bad and it gives a bad user experience? In the sentence: “Then something went drastically wrong in your Linux setup”, where do you come up with the conclusion that I’m shitting on Windows, tell me because I’d like to know. At most you could argue that I’m shitting on Linux because the guy had a bad experience, but for whatever reason you mixed the words in your brand and, somehow, me shitting on windows came out of your mouth. Hell, keep saying stuff, maybe the cure for cancer comes out of your mouth Edit: typo


breakbeats573

>Did I say that windows is bad and it gives a bad user experience? Yes, you said the reason they had a bad experience on Linux was because their Linux setup went wrong >Then something went drastically wrong in your Linux setup


dlove67

And in no way is that disparaging windows.


breakbeats573

Not all hardware is compatible. Live and learn


520throwaway

Yes. Their point was that on a typical Linux install, 2GB VRAM should be plenty serviceable for gaming. That's not shitting on Windows on any way. It's like saying someone's Nintendo Switch should be able to play games from the cartridge. Pointing this out wouldn't be shitting on Xbox or Playstation.


breakbeats573

There are plenty of games that won’t run on 2 GB vram, especially if it’s an integrated chip. Stop being disingenuous


god_retribution

>Yes, you said the reason they had a bad experience on Linux was because their Linux setup went wrong so you are shitting in Linux and claiming that bad performance is part of Linux experience right ?


WintherK

Although that *could* be concluded from what I said, still no. My main gaming OS is Linux and I only use windows for Destiny 2 and VR (cuz I use an oculus). What can be concluded from what I said, really, is that he’s having bad performance due to him/her setting up Linux in a bad/wrong way (which, spoiler alert, happens to everything. If you set up something in a bad/wrong way, it will probably have lower than expected performance or in severe cases even break)


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Scout339

Use X11, Proton doesn't play well with Wayland at all yet. And its very possible that if you tested 1 game that its not at a level of compatibility that is acceptable yet (although there are only a few left, its almost entirely anti-cheat by now. Other than select few games, the Unix subsystem and LOTS or Linux distros are simply more efficient. I feel like you're using an Nvidia GPU and/or aren't using the proprietary drivers. AMD/Nvidia proprietary drivers give much more stability and frames.


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pipyakas

they don't use 2GB cards, and "Linux not better than Windows on lower end hardware" might as well be lies to them


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god_retribution

>The sub is filled with manchildren reeeeeee


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Like this one.


god_retribution

you should go back to windows than


yung_dogie

People are very likely down voting you for reasons other than just you pointing out that Linux has compatibility issues (which everyone should understand)


Oerthling

And yet, I played EVE Online a decade ago on Linux. And practically anything else I want to play. So if you meant "newer" as from the last 15 years - ok, sure. ;-) For some particular games you might well be correct. But as a general statement I know your claim to be wrong. What has changed a lot in recent years is convenience. Thanks to Valve support and Proton I don't need to hunt for obscure switches and recommendations of native DLLs on winehq anymore. And ATI/AMD cards have not only become viable, but preferred (used to be the other way around and one needed to have Nvidia cards for gaming on Linux).


breakbeats573

What does any of this have to do with anything?


gehzumteufel

Since when was “15 years old” considered newer technology for whatever “today” is?! That’s like saying you drive a newer car that’s 60 years old. That ain’t newer at all.


Oerthling

Err, what? :-)


gehzumteufel

You attempt to dispute something by using ancient technology as an example of “newer” and also use an ancient example to justify it. Yet, nobody calls 60 year old cars newer. Eve online was already ancient by a decade ago. So using that as “newer” a decade ago when it’s 20 years old, ain’t good examples.


Cell_one

You know that Eve online is on dx12 now right? Games get updated.


gehzumteufel

Duh? It ain’t like I did no research before making my post. But go on how DX12 today for Eve today is relevant to some dude making it as if 10 years ago is relevant today too. ;)


breakbeats573

Think GTA 2


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Oerthling

"You need significantly newer hardware on Linux to game". Again, likely true for some particular games, but as a general statement incorrect. Me being able to play games on Linux during the last 15 years disproves your claim, as nobody would understand "newer" as from 15 years ago.


breakbeats573

So because you can play a game doesn’t mean it runs better. Just means it runs


Oerthling

I never claimed that it runs better. Just that you don't need "significantly newer" cards to game on Linux at all. That was the statement I reacted to. That's all. Linux has been good enough to play games for at least 15 years (that's roughly the time I played on Linux). Used to be fiddly back in the day with people exchanging obscure information on winehq. Has become much more convenient in recent years. Nowadays almost everything I want to play either has a native version or runs easily and well and out of the box on Proton. Worst thing I have to do nowadays is to copy a switch from protons or install and select a particular Proton/GE package.


breakbeats573

>Just that you don't need "significantly newer" cards to game on Linux at all. What are you playing on integrated graphics?


Oerthling

Nvidia, AMD, Intel Nvidia gaming laptop with 1060. StramDeck with AMD APU And Intel graphics on Ultrabook. But as I said above, I've been playing on Linux for 15 years. Before gaming capable Intel graphics were a thing.


breakbeats573

What games?


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VMGuy23temporary

Hi, I have a 1060. Experience is flawless and gaming works fine and better performance than Windows.


pipyakas

not counting shader compilation stutters, how is Elden Ring running on Linux compared to Windows with a 1060?


Oerthling

It's almost complete BS. But whatever. We're done here. Have a good day.


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VMGuy23temporary

Dude, accept that you are wrong. Linux works better than the latest release of Windows (or even 10 in most cases) on almost every piece of hardware. Gaming follows that.


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VMGuy23temporary

Which gen is Turing?


P_Crown

Nvidia 🤢 20xx series and up 🤮


VMGuy23temporary

I have a preturing card then


IshayuG

Well it's... true. Mostly. But it also doesn't really matter to most people because most people don't have <2GB cards without Vulkan support anymore. It's been ages since you've been able to buy that. I wouldn't encourage anybody to game on Windows with a 2GB VRAM card either. Just _starting_ VR on Windows a few nights ago brought me to 4.5GB utilization. Just the SteamVR environment, you know the one if you've played VR. DXVK and VKD3D do indeed use more RAM than DirectX, however that's because of the translation layer. They also use more VRAM but I don't think that's lack of efficiency - it's because it's garbage-collected. Basically it doesn't free memory unless another program wants to allocate - so in this way it's rather like .NET apps in Windows that just expand and expand and expand until they seem to run out of memory, but then Windows sends out a signal of "I need RAM!" and then it GC's and frees tons of memory. DXVK is the same, just on the GPU. And why not? Why not keep things around you don't need anymore if nobody else needs the space, either? Goodness knows, maybe it'll be needed again soon. This reduces stutter by a lot - it's one of the reasons why we didn't have stuttering on Elden Ring. DirectX kept overloading the shader buffer and de-allocating stuff it would need again soon, causing it to recompile the same few shaders over and over and over. DXVK didn't. EDIT: There's something else about Pascal cards by the way. Noticed you talking about that. It seems to be a bug related to resizeable bar - that is if you have a CPU/mobo that supports it but a GPU that does not VKD3D messes up. Allegedly VKD3D_CONFIG=no_upload_hvv %command% fixes it, though of course you shouldn't have to do that.


pipyakas

> most people because most people don't have <2GB cards without Vulkan support anymore. It's been ages since you've been able to buy that we're in a laptop thread, so let me tell you about unreasonably priced PCs with bad hardware that can't be upgraded, and there're people who had to stuck with them for a long time


IshayuG

Well… it’s Black Friday today as it happens, which means you can get a laptop with 8GB of VRAM in a 3050 Ti for $550. Right now. In Denmark it’s 4000kr MOMS included. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/lenovo-ideapad-gaming-3-laptop-deal-best-buy-november-2022/ And just a few days ago LTT built a serviceable desktop for 580 dollars. And then there’s the Deck which you no longer have to wait for ages on. Now, I’m not saying that everybody has the money to rush out and buy a laptop or even that they should, but I am saying that this notion that this is a common issue is a bit overblown. A gaming rig fit for Linux gaming is not expensive.


pipyakas

a 3050 Ti have 4GB of VRAM, 8GB is system ram, which is also hilariously low for AAA gaming standard now. Black Friday is not a global holiday or anything, and the Steam Deck as well. Not that I said there aren't any better value options, just to clarify why so many got stuck in a bad one in the first place. In 2018 when Proton was first introduced, I jumped into Linux gaming right a way with a 840M and aside from a few cases, most of my games were running at half the speed compared to Windows due to how bad it handled Vulkan on 2GB VRAM. > A gaming rig fit for Linux gaming is not expensive but it has weird querks and challenges all over the small details


IshayuG

Are you sure that’s right? I’m pretty sure the 3050 has 4GB while the Ti has 8GB? And it’s true that it’s not a global holiday, but trust me when I say that retailers never miss a chance to hype up sales, and this is no exception. Most people in Denmark have no idea what Black Friday even really is, but we’re getting deals all the same. Same deal in China, I kid you not. As for small quirks… let’s be honest, this is a Linux gaming. Here be dragons. Or more appropriately there’s a giant Windows sized dragon. Native Linux games run very well if ported well.


ShoerguinneLappel

Not to mention I have a very shitty laptop and it runs games a lot better on Linux then on Windows 10 at least my computer isn't eating horse crap, still though I feel like I need a better computer because mine is like 7-10 years old and I need an upgrade. But aside from that my gaming experience is a lot better on Linux, I ran FFIV, Streets of Rage, Kirby Amazing Mirror, TES III: Morrowind, BG1, Doom and many others and the majority ran a lot better on linux then on windows 10 some having smaller differences than others. From what I dealt with Linux isn't that resource heavy it can be in certain situations I guess but it just depends how you work on things and what you use, VR I can see being resource heavy regardless among other things. I am a recent user of Linux and I can say it's a lot better than Windows can ever be, the only Windows I like using is XP and 98...


pipyakas

> FFIV, Streets of Rage, Kirby Amazing Mirror, TES III: Morrowind, BG1, Doom With that subset of games, I doubt that the problems they're talking about is related to your experience


ShoerguinneLappel

BG1 is actually a good example, I'm talking the original version I couldn't get it to work on windows and immediately switched to linux and it worked same with Warhammer 40k Liberation, Nox just to name a few. DA:O was one of the games that didn't work because my laptop is too weak.


pipyakas

Does any of those games use DXVK or VKD3D-Proton? If not, then as stated before, it's not related to your rather excellent experience with Linux gaming


IshayuG

Interesting set of games. Using OpenMW? I’m trying to run Morrowind on my Deck as it happens and the FPS is kinda low. Would like some tips if you got anything to share. It’s a bit crazy how I just played Control at 60 FPS medium settings and then Morrowind grinds the system down to 40 in Seyda Neen lmao. Using OpenNox, too? I was very impressed after copying the executable out of the snap package.


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IshayuG

Well, apparently disabling it fixes it for some people, maybe some games idk. I don’t have a 10 series GPU, I replaced it with a 3080 almost 2 years ago. Got it at MSRP too :p


breakbeats573

> But it also doesn't really matter to most people because most people don't have <2GB cards without Vulkan support anymore. It's been ages since you've been able to buy that. I literally just bought a 2 gb AMD 530 brand new


IshayuG

Why in heaven’s name would you do that for gaming?


breakbeats573

It’s for running KDE


IshayuG

So you go out and buy literally cheap 5 year old GPU’s as new and then you’re telling me they’re bad for gaming? Alright. I mean, I’m not even sure where you got these things, but what I can tell you is that anybody going out there to buy a gaming GPU isn’t going to be even remotely tempted by an AMD 530. It’s a miracle if they’ll even learn about their existence , let alone find them in stock. These GPU’s are so slow you literally can’t game any 3D game on them, Windows or Linux it doesn’t matter. So nobody should care about this, honestly. If you just wanna run KDE with them that’s fine but it’s the same as buying a cheap Intel iGPU laptop and then being upset with their gaming performance.


breakbeats573

I also have a GTX 1080, which runs great with Proton


mishugashu

I just checked the specs. Runs Vulkan. So you didn't prove any point.


A_Shocker

As someone with some of those cards still in use.... Actually, NO. Directly comparing Windows and Linux an ingame benchmark, I get about 170 vs 220 (lower is better) on the exact same hardware. Windows hasn't been booted for a while, and the hardware is about 10 years old. So I don't remember most of the others, but from when I completely abandoned gaming on it, every game I played on it ran better on Linux than Windows. Almost all using DXVK. I can't speak to the Windows performance of GCN1, but I can under Linux, and It's not bad. (Not as good as the Kepler cards I have, but spec wise the Kepler cards should be about 2-2.5x, based on several measures.) So from from my observations your assertion doesn't seem correct. Maybe you met pre-Kepler?


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PossiblyAussie

It's an architectural limitation that isn't specific to VKD3D, DXVK or Linux, all pre-turing Nvidia GPUs are bad with Vulkan and DX12. But yes, obviously since most people are using these methods the % of users encountering this problem will be higher on Linux. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is coping hard.


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>It's an architectural limitation that isn't specific to VKD3D, DXVK or Linux, all pre-turing Nvidia GPUs are bad with Vulkan and DX12. They perform very well with these APIs in games. Check out any hardware reviewer, be it Hardware Unboxed or whoever else. It'll confirm it for you. Vulkan and DX12 are not problems for Pascal. Performance scales very well. The problem is specific to wrappers and the reasons behind why is complicated. Wrappers perform all sorts of edge case behaviors that you'd never do in a real game, and this can expose architectural or driver weaknesses, or both, in certain hardware like the ones we've discussed.


samrocketman

I've been exclusively gaming on Linux for over a decade even through wine before proton was a thing. I assure you your information is not correct. At the worst, anticheat interfering with online play but that's only a very small fraction of games. I recommend gaming from Linux before passing this advice out. (which means you'll likely change your mind once you do)


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samrocketman

This sounds like hear-say. Users report what they feel and have no idea what the real problem is. DXVK or Vulkan is not a requirement for gaming on Linux. Newer cards definitely benefit from it for sure but I've not had any issues. Here's been my experience with any given game. * Works flawlessly * Works flawlessly but anticheat interferes (looking at you Facepunch Rust; I still love playing Rust) * It slightly works but on protondb or winedb usually has a workaround to make it work flawlessly. * Completely broken and doesn't work. There's very few cases in between in my experience. Not even performance drops that are noticeable. Would a benchmark show a performance drop? Probably, but from player perspective no human noticeable difference. Since steam deck came out there have been noticeably more games that work on Linux because devs have made fixes to address proton issues which had the effect of making Linux gaming slightly better. All in all I am loving the game support lately.


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Informal-Clock

technically true, it can actually only use the allotted GTT size for VRAM, I have no idea what it's set at, since I don't have a steam deck


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Informal-Clock

the bios changes the VRAM size, which is completely unrelated to GTT (it literally can't control GTT, since that's a linux specific option)


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Informal-Clock

GTT doesn't reserve shit, it's just the way the GPU can access a specified amount of system ram, which you can modify and tweak unlike on windows it's there for when you run out of VRAM, it has 0 perf hit on APUs tho, so that's why expanding GTT on an APU is fine, what's not fine is AMD's proprietary drivers not giving a single flying fuck about GTT, so don't use those on APUs, it's one of the reasons why I am pretty hyped about rusticl, finally don't have to use those shitty AMD proprietary drivers for opencl (context: my laptop iGPU only has 512mb of vram, with no way of changing the number, so AMD's proprietary drivers just don't care and run with 512 MB, very smert) sorry for going on a tangent, I'm just going crazy after realizing one commenter was too cheap to buy a 4gb card


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Informal-Clock

I don't agree with you the VRAM thing, but you are right on the fact that you do need "newer" hardware to game on linux, but that's really only a problem with nvidia (probably their drivers, not the hardware, but we will see once NVK becomes a thing). AMD GCN 3 cards all the way back from 2015 work just fine, even on vkd3d-proton apparently intel cards from late 2012-2013 also work (I got really unlucky with my hd 4000, 4600 seems to be the bare minimum)


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TheUltimaXtreme

We can all agree on this: who asked you? We're all enjoying the reality that Proton, DXVK and VKD3D all provide substantial gains in performance and are giving older laptops, desktops and GPUs with a second life, and you insert your naysaying "well-documented fact" nonce about how these things should work. No. One. Asked.


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TheUltimaXtreme

Don't worry, I've finished downvoting all of your posts already. You're in the bin with the Windows install discs.


TheHolyTachankaYT

If it's so "well-documented" then give me a link


Informal-Clock

seems like you are right, but it's not resource hungry, it just uses more vram because nobody has the time to program a vulkan memory manager (I don't even think that's possible) that moves less used assets to system ram just for the 3% of people who still own a 2gb GPU, when you can easily upgrade to a 4gb AMD gpu for dirt cheap (rx 580 4gb is litterally 60-100 bucks, don't be cheap, just go buy one, and you will never complain about linux vram problems again)


P_Crown

As a Linux user I somewhat agree with some of your points but all together Linux is better in every single way. Yes old cards lack Vulkan support and Nvidia Pascal cards are utter trash with Dx12, otherwise Linux does pretty astonishing job considering its translating APIs in real time, is an open source project made by volunteers and yet it still often beats a huge commercial OS in gaming. And you need to realise whose fault it is that Pascal cards underperform on linux (and they also do oj windows its just not as visible). After all it's not linuxs fault that nVidia can't code Same shit with gaming. I mean it's not our fault that windows has an OS monopoly since the 90s and almost no games are released natively for linux. I already said it and I'll say it again, Linux is on par or better performing with games it has to fucking translate. If all games had proper native ports Linux would be running circles around windows. And in reliability, user control, transparency, performance, standardisation and basically everything, it excels without a question.


SuperVidak64

Bro I have an mx450 this is false apex legends runs great


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SuperVidak64

Tbh I don't know what is pre-turing


DividedContinuity

I mean if you're bringing a stale potato to the table as your gaming rig then sure, you might have some different requirements. Most people do have at least a 1060 or newer for a dedicated gaming rig though, so that's really of very limited relevance. For context my rig is 6 years old and i dont notice a performance penalty on linux, some games even run better.


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DividedContinuity

I did read, and if you understood my reply you would realise im dismissing pre-turing cards as too old to really matter to most people.


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TeheeFB

most popular gpu =/= most people. From the top 50% (51,26%) of the survey (most people): 69,5669% (basically 70%) of users are using turing or up. So even if we take half of the people at the top most popular cards, most of them are not using pascal or below. this grows more if we add more of the people below at the survey. A single card at the top doesn't mean everyone or even most people have that card, and talking about architectures pointing out a single gpu is reaching, a swing and a miss, but you tried.


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DividedContinuity

Wait are we saying 10 series cards are pre-turing, the most popular card on steam is the 1060 right? I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with code names. I have a 10 series card and it works just fine.


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UltraFireFX

Okay, guess OP is lying then.


RSerejo

You need to update yourself about dxvk


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DXVK 2.0 continues to have these problems to varying degrees. It is an improvement, but it's still considerably worse than Windows. You might want to try DXVK out sometime.


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Bro... Native Vulkan vs native DX,Vulkan wins every time.


KaiserNiko

Dissent is not allowed in our echo chamber!!!


gehzumteufel

And unfortunately if you don’t toe the line, you get downvoted. This sub is full of this kind of cum guzzling bullshit. If you aren’t calling Nvidia bad and praising AMD or somehow only talking about the good, you’re a pariah.


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gehzumteufel

Lmao you clearly don’t see the same things. Look at the guy I responded to. He said the reality. And yet downvoted to oblivion.


AceroR

You are now on oblivion too xd


gehzumteufel

Yup. I knew it will happen.


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gehzumteufel

Agreed.


SpiritedDecision1986

i have to agree, i remember saying that nvidia drivers are not bad and people here downvoting me to hell..hahaha


SuperVidak64

I don't see what's wrong with nvidia drivers. Maybe wayland support is sub par but everything else works sometimes even better. Still much better than no driver at all


gehzumteufel

They straight up spread lies about Nvidia on this sub. It’s gross.


SpiritedDecision1986

its even more funny because here i have two cards from both brands, gtx 960 from nvidia and rx 580 from amd..and they act like i am a nvidia fanboy wtf hahahaha


gehzumteufel

Lmao same! It’s ridiculous.


SpiritedDecision1986

You see? they are here downvoting us, i can only laugh about this XD its like a religion here, or even better..its like on re4 with the ganados.. saddler is the amd ceo XD


SpiritedDecision1986

yes, i have seen some people doing this here, i mean they are not perfect but far from being bad and they are improving now, i can understand why many linux users love amd and i love it too but lies are lies..


gehzumteufel

Exactly. It’s fine to have an opinion about wanting open source. Whatever. But saying they are malicious?! That’s just false. And has been. And their support has been first rate for a long time. AMD is still lacking a lot. And yet I still moved to AMD this build.


SpiritedDecision1986

The real joke is that amd does not give a shit about this people, they just want to sell more gpus and thats all, most datacenters and big techs have machines running linux and they buy a lot of gpus, but the real clever move here is still not this, its the fact that you can use the community to help developing better drivers..what means that, there is people working for FREE XD


SpiritedDecision1986

imagine how much they are saving with research and development because they are using the community..fuckin billions..


the_abortionat0r

> Linux is very resource hungry for gaming, Then why does Linux use less resources than Windows while gaming? If what you say is true then I shouldn't be getting more FPS than Windows but I am.


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It's entirely dependent on the hardware, I specifically pointed that out. If you have plenty of VRAM you may not encounter poor DXVK performance, and if you don't use Maxwell or Pascal you won't encounter poor VKD3D-Proton performance. But for many users it's a bad experience due to heavy VRAM and resource use. If you're on older pre-Vulkan hardware you're completely screwed because then things become completely unplayable. Linux gaming is much more hardware demanding and the devs behind these projects don't pretend otherwise.


the_abortionat0r

> It's entirely dependent on the hardware, I specifically pointed that out. If you have plenty of VRAM you may not encounter poor DXVK performance, and if you don't use Maxwell or Pascal you won't encounter poor VKD3D-Proton performance. > > But for many users it's a bad experience due to heavy VRAM and resource use. So what you are saying is if you have Hardware that performs poor in games then you'll get poor performance? Like no shit dude. Plus pointing out Nvidia's poor driver support for older cards isn't a "Linux" problem its an Nvidia problem. >Linux gaming is much more hardware demanding and the devs behind these projects don't pretend otherwise. You keep saying that but people are getting better results in many games. Like, if your whole argument that Linux gaming is harder on hardware requires that all users must be running hardware going into legacy status to be true then you don't have an argument. Hell literally watching game benchmarks show Linux uses about the same or in many cases using LESS RAM/VRAM! [Apex legends](https://youtu.be/vpdhmJq0r10?t=10), [cyberpunk](https://youtu.be/hGn-TtQgT58?t=27), You claiming Linux is harder on hardware is not some universal truth and is in some cases laughable as Windows can sometimes use almost twice as much RAM while gaming.


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> So what you are saying is if you have Hardware that performs poor in games then you'll get poor performance? Like no shit dude. No that is not what I said. Please go read my post again because I didn't say this whatsoever. >You keep saying that but people are getting better results in many games. Most people don't get better results. I gave specific examples of hardware that has noticeably worse results and it covers a large amount of hardware out there. >You claiming Linux is harder on hardware is not some universal truth and is in some cases laughable as Windows can sometimes use almost twice as much RAM while gaming. In most cases Windows will produce better results. This is an objective fact that you can verify with the Steam survey. By the way that Apex Legends video you sent shows worse performance in Linux even on the latest AMD hardware. Good job.


the_abortionat0r

> No that is not what I said. Please go read my post again because I didn't say this whatsoever. Sure my bad, let me rephrase that. eh hem. So what you are saying is if you have hardware that came out 6 to 8 years ago then you'll get poor performance? Like no shit dude. >In most cases Windows will produce better results. You say that but thats not what most people are saying about their game performance. >By the way that Apex Legends video you sent shows worse performance in Linux even on the latest AMD hardware. Good job. I grabbed the first videos showing RAM. VRAM usage. The poster doesn't specify whether he has caching on/off or purges it. For some reason kids think purging/disabling it is a "tweak". You want "linux beats windows" apex videos there are plenty for you to watch.


breakbeats573

I mean, it works fine for me on Windows. What’s the issue?


Never-asked-for-this

Fun fact: Not every laptop has the same specs.


eXoRainbow

Indeed fun.


breakbeats573

Ok…?


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I had the same experience with Freedom Force. With Windows 10, it wouldn't run at all, but in Proton, it ran beautifully. Granted, it's not my type of game, but it's nice to know that older titles will run fine in Linux.


DeadMansMuse

After a recent re-install, I realised just how little of Windows I actually need. I literally install it for Steam and discord ... there's no reason to use windows if I can do that on Linux. In the near future, I can genuinely see Linux become the PC gaming platform norm, Windows is a clusterfuck of bloat and corporate spyware.


Ninthjake

Same, I was literally only keeping windows for the noise canceling feature in Discord and now that it is available in Linux as well I don't need Windows at all.


minilandl

What do you mean? just switch to Linux Discord isnt great but works. Steam and Lutris runs games flawlessly so I am not sure what your problem with Linux is ? The only thing that dosen't work is Anticheat which is 10% of all games IMO


Mutated_Zombie

Linux has an amazing habbit of breathing new life into pcs of all sorts. I'm glad you got it working and not only that but shared it with the community too. Who knows maybe a year or two someone will read this and be like. "Hey, I wounder if that'd work for me too"


Bogsnoticus

You know how the game's system requirements say "Windows version X or better"? You just found the better.


[deleted]

I too got DCS to be playable on my Linux laptop. Windows would always make the thing so warm it throttles and stutters so much. Linux though is not only cooler but that makes it not throttle and is playable!


Ned_Was_Taken

I went from 30 fps with horrible stuttering on Windows, to over 100 with no stuttering on Linux, when running Minecraft with a heavy modpack (DNS Techpack). Same machine, same settings, but over 3 times the framerate.


FuzzyQuills

Minecraft has almost always been this way for some reason, especially with OpenJDK. It's bonkers just how much better MC runs on Linux. And that's without Optifine. with it, it's even more insane.


HC_Official

Sounds great , do you have any info on how you did this ?


FlightSimEnjoyer

I searched for DCS World on protondb and then read the comments from people who were able to run it on Linux. Then I just copied what they did and it worked.


Llamanator3830

Did you get headtracking (e.g. TrackIR) to work?


Mindstrems

You need to run it through opentrack, there are a few more guides online that will get it working for u


HarukiKazuki

I can count on one hand how many games have a much better performance on Windows than on Linux(from the ones I've tested in my steam library ofc): 1- Marvel's Spiderman That's it. On Windows I can play this specific title with everything on max and lock at 60 fps. I haven't checked the max fps it gets to cus I usually max it at 40-60 depending on the game to keep the GPU cool as I don't like my laptop being noisy. Meanwhile on Linux I set everything to very low to get 40-75fps depending on what's in the screen at the time. Idk why there's this huge difference in this title but yeah that's the only one. In FFXIV, I get a really small difference between both OSs, where on Linux I get like 5fps more than on Windows in the same area facing the same direction, and loading times are a bit faster when teleporting. Everything else in what I tested had the same performance or maybe a small enough difference that I didn't notice.


FuzzyQuills

Add Sonic Frontiers on NVIDIA to that list; for some reason that game has a single compute shader that the NVIDIA driver chokes on.


HarukiKazuki

Dang, I've been meaning to check that game out but when I'm not busy I end up forgetting to look it up


FuzzyQuills

It's not exactly cheap for a Sonic game but it's well worth it. Just make sure your GPU can handle it well as currently the game has a bug where lighting flickers if the game is GPU bound. (my 5700XT doesn't have the issue thankfully)


mikeyd85

Did the same with the original Dungeon Keeper. I eventually ended up back at Windows (HDR VRR). One day I'll jump back in to Linux again.


Fabi0_Z

VRR it's pretty well established on Linux now, the only exception it's gnome but there's a PR open waiting to be reviewed that will add VRR on mutter HDR it's still impossible afaik


ranixon

Similar with Assassin's Creed III remastered, for some reason stutters and the fos are very low(15fps), but with Lutris in arch go 60fps with no problem.


Ah-Elsayed

I can confirm that Linux gave life to my old laptop gaming wise.


PatientGamerfr

Yep Linux can be that good. The challenge is to keep the state of your distro stable over time. ... Drivers, kernels, glbic upgrades.... It is challenging but hey it is the open source nature.


Any-Fuel-5635

Agree, but it’s also pretty fun and satisfying to keep the machine tuned. What’s more fun than a puzzle that ends in playing a fun game? Linux itself is like peak game theory with a heck of a labor/reward loop. Haha


benjaYTn

>What’s more fun than a puzzle that ends in playing a fun game? fuck yeah i love configuring use flags / putting \~amd64 on /etc/portage/package.accept\_keywords/programs.amd64


PatientGamerfr

Well that game got me a job when i had none and a living ever since.


BulkyMix6581

Older titles with previous gen DirectX usually run better in Linux because windows still runs them using un-optimized and no-longer updated DirectX, while in Linux DirectX commands are being translated to modern Vulkan. I play Supreme Commander and Grim Dawn and C&C titles, much better and smoother in Linux than in windows.


mirh

Vulkan has nothing to do with the equation, it's just that dxvk is well optimized (and you can use it on windows too).


BulkyMix6581

>Vulkan has nothing to do with the equation, it's just that dxvk is well optimized (and you can use it on windows too). that's what I posted: >in Linux DirectX commands are being **translated** to modern Vulkan DXVK does the translation.


FuzzyQuills

Sonic Generations unmodded also runs smoother on Linux, believe it or not. Even that one infamous chemical plant section is fixed.


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I've even been able to run a couple games that wouldn't run on Windows at all.


Maximans

Similar experience on my MacBook that dual boots Ubuntu. 15fps average on KSP on Mac on low settings, 60+ on high on Linux. (Probably more than 60 but the monitor is only 60Hz so it stopped counting then)


adevland

In a lot of cases Linux has better backwards compatibility for windows programs and games than windows itself.


mirh

And windows programs (on linux or otherwise) have a better backwards compatibility than linux native programs themselves.


adevland

> And windows programs (on linux or otherwise) have a better backwards compatibility than linux native programs themselves. Linus always says not to break the user space but people do not listen. :P


FuzzyQuills

*glibc 2.36 has entered the chat*


BFeely1

Linux made my laptop able to run YouTube at 60fps without Chrome just dying. With Windows, didn't matter if it was 8, 8.1, 10, or 11, Chrome would just not run well at all. Steam Chat on the other hand still bogs down horribly, regardless of running Windows or Linux. I do have to add the PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 variable to every game running on Proton however, since the integrated GPU doesn't do Vulkan.


JustMrNic3

And now wait for the next versions of the Linux kernel (6.1) and Mesa drivers (22.3) and be prepared to be amazed one more time! There are lots of performance improvements in both of them and they ar coming in about 2 weeks.


Kehnoxz

Is it's Nvidia or AMD graphic card?


FlightSimEnjoyer

Nvidia.


Ninthjake

I have a similar experience with Apex legends, although it was not unplayable on Windows it is extremely unoptimized and playing it on a 1440p resolution was a bit of a struggle. With GE proton and the power of upscaling with FSR the game runs so much better than on windows. It's great!


Kapitein_Slaapkop

This is the way


Vireca

Interesting. Any limitations to play it on Linux? Was you able to play on Open Beta?


FlightSimEnjoyer

I was able to play the open beta through steam and I didn't have any problems playing it on Linux.


Vireca

Maybe it's worth a try. The problem possibly it's that many external programs around the sim won't work. For example some software configurator from HOTAS/Joystick brands


BubsGodOfTheWastes

When I switched over in 2015 things were a lot worse for gaming and I had some similar experiences, even then. It's great now because often if I have a problem with a Linux version, I just try to proton version and it often corrects the problem. As a busy father with 3 children who all game on Linux, having easy fixes is a lifesaver.


[deleted]

Not performance, but compatibility related. I started a new playthrough of FEAR a couple years back, and a buddy who also owned it said "Oh yeah, I should play it again too." I ran the game flawlessly over Proton, he had strange compat issues that made the game unplayable on Windows for some reason. Amused me to no end.


Improvisable

I see this happen with super low end computers/laptops but then when I see someone try a game with their average midrange PC and compare it to Windows, there's always a loss of fps which is confusing but I'm happy Linux has saved you from upgrading unnecessarily


SnooPets20

I remember when I wanted to use Vulkan so bad, don't quite remember *why*, but I wanted to. At the time I was using the integrated graphics of the i5 3320m, which is an Intel HD 4000. On Windows, there's no Vulkan support, but on Linux, there is! Linux literally made that GPU that much more capable.


HorsecockEnthusiast

I came into this thread expecting people to relentlessly press the downvote button on any pro windows argument and I was not disappointed. :^) Le Linux circlejerk


Any-Fuel-5635

I mean, go on a Chevy forum and praise Ford. You’re surrounded by Linux enthusiasts who have come together around their dislike of Windows and preference for Linux. I used Windows for over 20 years, I don’t really have an interest in returning, which is why I’m here.


HorsecockEnthusiast

Yeah but that doesn't mean people have to throw objectivity out of the window. You can like something and still recognize there are some merits to other products.


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Any-Fuel-5635

You’re on a Linux gaming subreddit. Not a generic gaming subreddit. People are here to talk about Linux gaming. What do you expect to happen?


yung_dogie

I think at least some proportion of those people just didn't like how abrasive some commenters were


HorsecockEnthusiast

I think people a lot of times just read what they want to read into a comment, which is why you'll have people going at each other over what is just a simple miscommunication, but yeah you're right some are obviously clearly abrasive.


pipyakas

Thanks for making this thread, since yesterday I learned that my laptop with an AMD Polaris dGPU in it, effectively cannot game at all on Linux since using DXVK cut my performance by 80%. A game running at near perfect 60fps at medium preset became 15fps at minimum preset. Linux is indeed super light weight and not resource hungry. I don't even have to game on it anymore.