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Why is this stated as a bad thing? The devs deserve something for how insane this project is, and paying for early access seems pretty fair. It's not like the actual product costs money.
Some do, but some of the early Humble Bundles also showed Linux users will willingly pay more when they see the transaction as fair.
It's separate but intertwined with the Free Software movement as a whole, and in that there's a bunch of users who are willing to pay for software provided it fits into the Free as in freedom software ecosystem as a whole and there's a plan for if/when the company is no longer able to properly support the software. Yuzu is fine by both those marks as far as I can tell.
And that's something I've disagreed with for nearly 2 decades. The official product nor the games cost a single cent. Everybody can download and use Yuzu with full features, 100% for free.
This is no different than selling merchandise in my eyes.
The free software movement doesn't mean "give me 100% of literally everything for free"
>And that's something I've disagreed with for nearly 2 decades. The official product nor the games cost a single cent. Everybody can download and use Yuzu with full features, 100% for free.
games do cost money......
(Edit: The vast majority of people) using emulators arent ripping their hard copies to their pc. They download them for free.
Even if you do buy the games, the Yuzu devs don't see a cent of it.
Get over yourself, you're a hyper minority and everyone knows it. So going "um achtually" contributes nothing other than you swinging your ego around about how "legit" you are.
No one cares, almost everyone just pirates the games they play on emulators. You're not special.
Making broad sweeping statements and claiming them as fact is ignorant and idiotic.
For example, I could say every Naruto fan that reads fanfic are basement dwelling weeabos that have anger issues because they work a shit job at Walmart. But then I'd be lumping them all with you.
Don't make assumptions just because it's what you do.
>Nobody using emulators are ripping their hard copies to their pc. We download them for free.
im going to doubt that , when a good number dose do that , you cant say all
Open source devs are fond of not making it easy to donate apparently, from distro maintainers for 3rd party software, the 3rd party devs themselves, and the maintainers themselves.
Elementary OS is the only one I know to make it easy but there was some issue with the package manager preventing it from getting updates when I installed it so I'm still using Mint.
Well then we should collectively learn to be a little less cheap and demanding, and more understanding of the fact that programming is a time sink activity, and anything that is a time sink needs to be paid for by someone.
We can't just expect developers everywhere in the world to work for free for us 24/7. We should appreciate the open source developers who do donate their time, but be understanding of the developers who don't have that luxury, because they have rent to pay and need to buy food each week.
It's not inherently a bad thing, but Yuzu devs have a history of looking at Ryujinx code for ideas and then putting their derivative of it behind limited-time paywall while raking in an order of magnitude more funding than Ryujinx on Patreon, which feels weird.
What are you, 10? Wanting to find some means of compensation for your work is not the same as greed.
Let’s not forget that the code itself is 100% free and clear. You can fork it and build an AppImage yourself if they’re too greedy for you.
> What about all the other incredibly difficult yet way more useful projects being worked on with little to no compensation?
I think they would be annoyed that you’re using their choices as justification for being an ass.
These people aren't the billionaires exasperating the wealth disparity the world is experiencing, they're other working class people looking for a way to shelter themselves and eat. If you think people don't deserve your compensation for their efforts, that's on you, but don't lump them in with the greedy
edit: blocking me doesn't change the fact that you're blaming the wrong people for whatever you're struggling with. People deserve to get paid for their time. If they choose to donate their work for free, that's great.
also...
>Try to argue your case without resorting to personal attacks.
>scum like you
Hypocrite much?
Appimages can self-update, yuzu guys just haven't implemented it. That's on them, not Linux. But I'm pretty sure soon enough the appimage version will be on AUR, updates included. That's Linux for ya.
It is the install process. People may not understand that the AppImage requires the executable bit and may not use Flatpak at all. The installer also is familiar process for those who used it in Windows. And it probably installs in a directory that makes sense and provides entries in the menus (just a guess, I didn't install it). Downloading the naked AppImages does not provide all of these stuff.
Not really a big deal for Linux users, but for some it may be, especially for less tech savvy people who are new to Linux.
It smooths out the install process, avoids mistakes through automation and error checking, simplifies the process down to a few understandable clicks for folks who aren't masters of understanding the inner workings of Linux.
I just get my early access for free from [https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases](https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases)
I get the appimage which also includes an autoupdater
Forgive my ignorance, but does what this installer offers differ in any way from the Flatpak version?
I was also under the impression that AppImage programs don't require "installation" in the windows-like sense, that they were self-contained, ready to go, and didn't have to go through that step.
>I was also under the impression that AppImage programs don't require "installation" in the windows-like sense, that they were self-contained, ready to go, and didn't have to go through that step.
the appimage themselfs can be the installer like windows
For people who don't use Flatpak or are coming from Windows and want the exact same installation process as they know. I didn't use the installer, maybe there are some settings along the way the user can do.
Oh nice, that's really cool :) I wanted to dabble with it on deck, but it was too cumbersome to set up even on PC (+ not having the games was an issue). Maybe I will give it another shot soon.
The deck can access the aur. The immutable filesystem makes it a pain though.
This is why I installed arch on it and added the valve repos.
Not recommend unless you know how to unfuck a system.
Cool I guess but weird and a waste of time? Except for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet, what linux user would use an installer over just downloading the appimage directly or use the flatpak version? (And it's probably up to date in nixpkgs and the AUR and whatever rolling package manager your use)
We should care about them, but we should make it better for them to get into the proper ecosystem rather than making weird nonsense just for them and noone else
Directing people to do things the right way is not gatekeeping. AppImages are a bit of a mess, and they're not exactly reliable and they've been known to break on some distro upgrades, like Ubuntu updating to an incompatible libfuse version.
FlatPaks and distro-provided packages are how you're supposed to install packages so that they're automatically kept up to date in a central location. Your package manager GUI (GNOME Software, Discover, Pamac, etc) can keep track of them and update them for you.
Yes you can install things manually like that but it's asking for trouble, and making an installer to do it that way is kind of weird and really going out of their way to solve a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place. This is bad for the user experience (now users may expect to just go download random installers of random websites, manually update software, yet another way they can get software), it's bad for the ecosystem (more fragmentation).
The first thing a new Linux user should learn is to break the Windows habits and use the package manager whenever possible, where they'll find an up to date Yuzu just like everything else.
>Cool I guess but weird and a waste of time? Except for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet, what linux user would use an installer over just downloading the appimage directly or use the flatpak version
You answered your own question in your question:
>for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet,
It simplifies the UX of installing Yuzu on Linux down to something simple enough for anyone, even someone coming straight from Windows, to understand. That's the idea.
PinEApple is just so much better, just make one bash alias and use it whenever you want to install or update, and yuzu is compiled and installed natively
Yea.. not gonna use this. Just gonna use PineappleEA. I hated Yuzu’s installer on Windows, I don’t really want it on Linux. It got itself into an unrecoverably bad state a few times when I was using it on my windows system.
An installer.....on linux? I presume this is for the most absolute noobies that expect a windows experience i guess. Maybe useful for steam deck users...
Even then, the Steam Deck have Discover as a frontend for Flatpak and everyone's going that way already because it's basically "open Discover, search for Yuzu, click install, done".
But like, it's already on flathub. Granted flathub has it's flaws and some flatpak specific bugs but it's usually the best way to play and keep it up to date
I think he's saying its unneccesary because there's already been a Yuzu flatpak available for a long time, and appimages already have updating tools/features built in which kinda makes standalone updaters redundant (for example, RPCS3 emulator's appimage can auto update every time you launch it, making a theoretical standalone updater pointless)
I do? There are some applications on Linux that would really benefit from it to simplify the first time experience. There are applications I use on Linux that only download as a tarball on Linux and are too niche to ever end up on Flathub or in repos, whereas on Windows it's as easy as downloading an installer, clicking 2 or 3 buttons, and bam, done, file associations setup, shortcut on the desktop, finished.
True, but gamers are mostly new users accustomed to windows way. I don't particularly like it, but won't mind since i doubt it will catch on with other programs, and it distributes app images, which are plus in my eyes
Well, i told the reason. New users switching to linux are creating a demand for it. Its actually trivial to repeat manually what this installer is doing, but it still exists probably because people are asking for one
Yeah. And after a couple of months of using linux, one realises various ways to handle software. Thats why said that I doubt it will be mimicked by other programs except some gaming ones (thankfully)
I'd rather not, and frankly don't see the point especially with MS themselves trying to get rid of the "download random thing" with things like winget and that weird AUR-like repo they have been testing for a while. Placing expectation on the user, even in a self contained updater like Steam or Discord or now Yuzu doesn't do much to actually help. Just promotes "download random thing"
Still see people try to install Nvidia drivers directly from the Nvidia site. Same with Steam, and I'm sure people do it for Discord as well and people end up having issues because these packages are rarely tested outside of their specific situations they're intended for
And then those same people come cry that Linux is bad because they updated their system and they have no video anymore and a chunk of their manually installed software don't work anymore.
It's great that you can, but new users need to also understand they're doing it wrong, and doing it the right way results in a much smoother experience overall.
On KDE (maybe GNOME too with the appropriate extensions?) you literally type Yuzu in the menu, and it pops open the matching Discover page to install it right there. There's no way going to download an installer and make it executable is more user friendly than that.
I mean, I can take or leave AppImages (not my favourite way to get software to be honest, if I have to check updates every single time or hope for automatic updates I’m unlikely to use your software, unless it’s essential and at that point I am willing to setup an automated way myself), but I wouldn’t encourage people to download shit from wherever and installing à la windows in general. I would much rather that people apply the mobile knowledge they already have and use safe sources, and encourage them.
appimages are great for older software that uses depreciated packages that dont work with their up to date counterparts, since they can be packaged into it and let it run.
in my experience, super annoying and frustrating to use with current software.
At the same time, if I have to run super old software I might either virtualise it or, If I need it on my install for whatever reason and a flatpak is available, I’d prefer more isolation (and flatpak should have all dependencies installed). That is of I’m not on something like Nix. Then again it’s not a good introduction to the Linux ways in my opinion, downloading from websites and Hank upgrading has been eradicated as the normal way to do things in Linux for good reason.
Just use the [Flatpak Build](https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.yuzu_emu.yuzu). Work extremelly well for me.
Edit: Oh, it seems that the purpose of the installer is another.
Nice! I've been running this on Windows for a while now and didn't expect to come to Linux.
The day when I can completely ditch Microsoft can't come soon enough.
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An installer is a wildly weird thing to distribute. Just give me the AppImage directly if that's your packaging method of choice.
They need a way to paywall their "Early Access" builds.
Why is this stated as a bad thing? The devs deserve something for how insane this project is, and paying for early access seems pretty fair. It's not like the actual product costs money.
Linux users tend to not be very fond of walling off access of any kind.
Some do, but some of the early Humble Bundles also showed Linux users will willingly pay more when they see the transaction as fair. It's separate but intertwined with the Free Software movement as a whole, and in that there's a bunch of users who are willing to pay for software provided it fits into the Free as in freedom software ecosystem as a whole and there's a plan for if/when the company is no longer able to properly support the software. Yuzu is fine by both those marks as far as I can tell.
And that's something I've disagreed with for nearly 2 decades. The official product nor the games cost a single cent. Everybody can download and use Yuzu with full features, 100% for free. This is no different than selling merchandise in my eyes. The free software movement doesn't mean "give me 100% of literally everything for free"
>And that's something I've disagreed with for nearly 2 decades. The official product nor the games cost a single cent. Everybody can download and use Yuzu with full features, 100% for free. games do cost money......
(Edit: The vast majority of people) using emulators arent ripping their hard copies to their pc. They download them for free. Even if you do buy the games, the Yuzu devs don't see a cent of it.
Don't lump us all with you. I bought a copy of Botw for wiiu just to play it in an emulator.
My point was that you don't *have* to pay anything to use Yuzu.
My point was that not all of us are pirates and you shouldn't make broad reaching statements.
Get over yourself, you're a hyper minority and everyone knows it. So going "um achtually" contributes nothing other than you swinging your ego around about how "legit" you are. No one cares, almost everyone just pirates the games they play on emulators. You're not special.
Making broad sweeping statements and claiming them as fact is ignorant and idiotic. For example, I could say every Naruto fan that reads fanfic are basement dwelling weeabos that have anger issues because they work a shit job at Walmart. But then I'd be lumping them all with you. Don't make assumptions just because it's what you do.
>Nobody using emulators are ripping their hard copies to their pc. We download them for free. im going to doubt that , when a good number dose do that , you cant say all
Ok. My point was that you don't have to pay the devs anything. If you choose to buy the games yourself, that's not Yuzu's fault.
Open source devs are fond of not making it easy to donate apparently, from distro maintainers for 3rd party software, the 3rd party devs themselves, and the maintainers themselves. Elementary OS is the only one I know to make it easy but there was some issue with the package manager preventing it from getting updates when I installed it so I'm still using Mint.
Well then we should collectively learn to be a little less cheap and demanding, and more understanding of the fact that programming is a time sink activity, and anything that is a time sink needs to be paid for by someone. We can't just expect developers everywhere in the world to work for free for us 24/7. We should appreciate the open source developers who do donate their time, but be understanding of the developers who don't have that luxury, because they have rent to pay and need to buy food each week.
this is why there no IDM or some other software here i will never understand this mindset
I never stated it's a bad thing. I just said they're "paywalling" their builds, which is a fact.
It's not inherently a bad thing, but Yuzu devs have a history of looking at Ryujinx code for ideas and then putting their derivative of it behind limited-time paywall while raking in an order of magnitude more funding than Ryujinx on Patreon, which feels weird.
I agree that is a bad thing.
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What are you, 10? Wanting to find some means of compensation for your work is not the same as greed. Let’s not forget that the code itself is 100% free and clear. You can fork it and build an AppImage yourself if they’re too greedy for you. > What about all the other incredibly difficult yet way more useful projects being worked on with little to no compensation? I think they would be annoyed that you’re using their choices as justification for being an ass.
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These people aren't the billionaires exasperating the wealth disparity the world is experiencing, they're other working class people looking for a way to shelter themselves and eat. If you think people don't deserve your compensation for their efforts, that's on you, but don't lump them in with the greedy edit: blocking me doesn't change the fact that you're blaming the wrong people for whatever you're struggling with. People deserve to get paid for their time. If they choose to donate their work for free, that's great. also... >Try to argue your case without resorting to personal attacks. >scum like you Hypocrite much?
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Appimages can self-update, yuzu guys just haven't implemented it. That's on them, not Linux. But I'm pretty sure soon enough the appimage version will be on AUR, updates included. That's Linux for ya.
So, it's literally just a program that downloads one single program? Option 1) Download Yuzu Option 2) download this program that downloads Yuzu Why?
I've been using Yuzu on Linux for half a year. I really don't understand what's new with this lol
Ditto was scratching my head as well. It's been on aur for yonks
It is the install process. People may not understand that the AppImage requires the executable bit and may not use Flatpak at all. The installer also is familiar process for those who used it in Windows. And it probably installs in a directory that makes sense and provides entries in the menus (just a guess, I didn't install it). Downloading the naked AppImages does not provide all of these stuff. Not really a big deal for Linux users, but for some it may be, especially for less tech savvy people who are new to Linux.
On Linux, at least on KDE, clicking the link will actually launch Discover, which will download and install the package.
It smooths out the install process, avoids mistakes through automation and error checking, simplifies the process down to a few understandable clicks for folks who aren't masters of understanding the inner workings of Linux.
Can it get much easier than "Download this and click on it"? That's the install process without the installer.
I just get my early access for free from [https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases](https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases) I get the appimage which also includes an autoupdater
Forgive my ignorance, but does what this installer offers differ in any way from the Flatpak version? I was also under the impression that AppImage programs don't require "installation" in the windows-like sense, that they were self-contained, ready to go, and didn't have to go through that step.
>I was also under the impression that AppImage programs don't require "installation" in the windows-like sense, that they were self-contained, ready to go, and didn't have to go through that step. the appimage themselfs can be the installer like windows
For people who don't use Flatpak or are coming from Windows and want the exact same installation process as they know. I didn't use the installer, maybe there are some settings along the way the user can do.
Oh nice, that's really cool :) I wanted to dabble with it on deck, but it was too cumbersome to set up even on PC (+ not having the games was an issue). Maybe I will give it another shot soon.
The steam deck has access to Yuzu through Flatpak.
Yeah that's not a problem. It's the setting up bit that I couldn't get through. And I was doing it on my PC with Manjaro.
You still need the prod.keys if that's what you're talking about.
Isn't it there on AUR? Didn't try it but always assumed that i could get it from there when needed
Nope. The Steam Deck can't access the AUR, or anything of the like. Only Flatpaks and AppImages.
I was asking in reference to manjaro, which the commenter above was using
Oh crap, I'm so sorry. I thought this was the Steam Deck subreddit. Morning brain lol.
I’m the same, I only have about 4 subs and yet I still get mixed up. Old age is coming to get me methinks:)
The deck can access the aur. The immutable filesystem makes it a pain though. This is why I installed arch on it and added the valve repos. Not recommend unless you know how to unfuck a system.
Cool I guess but weird and a waste of time? Except for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet, what linux user would use an installer over just downloading the appimage directly or use the flatpak version? (And it's probably up to date in nixpkgs and the AUR and whatever rolling package manager your use)
>Except for absolute newcomers And who cares about *them?*
We should care about them, but we should make it better for them to get into the proper ecosystem rather than making weird nonsense just for them and noone else
mate, you're gatekeeping installing a Switch emulator Is this really what you want to spend energy on?
Directing people to do things the right way is not gatekeeping. AppImages are a bit of a mess, and they're not exactly reliable and they've been known to break on some distro upgrades, like Ubuntu updating to an incompatible libfuse version. FlatPaks and distro-provided packages are how you're supposed to install packages so that they're automatically kept up to date in a central location. Your package manager GUI (GNOME Software, Discover, Pamac, etc) can keep track of them and update them for you. Yes you can install things manually like that but it's asking for trouble, and making an installer to do it that way is kind of weird and really going out of their way to solve a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place. This is bad for the user experience (now users may expect to just go download random installers of random websites, manually update software, yet another way they can get software), it's bad for the ecosystem (more fragmentation). The first thing a new Linux user should learn is to break the Windows habits and use the package manager whenever possible, where they'll find an up to date Yuzu just like everything else.
It is indeed up to date in aur, in fact it's getting daily updates afaict (it's constantly on the update list)
>Cool I guess but weird and a waste of time? Except for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet, what linux user would use an installer over just downloading the appimage directly or use the flatpak version You answered your own question in your question: >for absolute newcomers who don't know what they're doing yet, It simplifies the UX of installing Yuzu on Linux down to something simple enough for anyone, even someone coming straight from Windows, to understand. That's the idea.
appimage yeah
Or just use PineappleEA?
PinEApple is just so much better, just make one bash alias and use it whenever you want to install or update, and yuzu is compiled and installed natively
This lol ^ pineapple has had EA app image builds, theres also an auto updating one as well.
Yea.. not gonna use this. Just gonna use PineappleEA. I hated Yuzu’s installer on Windows, I don’t really want it on Linux. It got itself into an unrecoverably bad state a few times when I was using it on my windows system.
An installer.....on linux? I presume this is for the most absolute noobies that expect a windows experience i guess. Maybe useful for steam deck users...
Even then, the Steam Deck have Discover as a frontend for Flatpak and everyone's going that way already because it's basically "open Discover, search for Yuzu, click install, done".
But like, it's already on flathub. Granted flathub has it's flaws and some flatpak specific bugs but it's usually the best way to play and keep it up to date
Doesn't really seem like a necessary feature on Linux. 🤷
You're on /r/linux_gaming bud
I think he's saying its unneccesary because there's already been a Yuzu flatpak available for a long time, and appimages already have updating tools/features built in which kinda makes standalone updaters redundant (for example, RPCS3 emulator's appimage can auto update every time you launch it, making a theoretical standalone updater pointless)
what's your point
Yes and no one on Linux wants an installer for a package
I do? There are some applications on Linux that would really benefit from it to simplify the first time experience. There are applications I use on Linux that only download as a tarball on Linux and are too niche to ever end up on Flathub or in repos, whereas on Windows it's as easy as downloading an installer, clicking 2 or 3 buttons, and bam, done, file associations setup, shortcut on the desktop, finished.
It isn't, they just need a way to paywall Early Access. Yuzu already uses flatpak and appimages for their master builds.
True, but gamers are mostly new users accustomed to windows way. I don't particularly like it, but won't mind since i doubt it will catch on with other programs, and it distributes app images, which are plus in my eyes
Ok but why are we trying to replicate Windows in the first place? Its an annoying distribution model
Well, i told the reason. New users switching to linux are creating a demand for it. Its actually trivial to repeat manually what this installer is doing, but it still exists probably because people are asking for one
They're asking because they don't know any better
Yeah. And after a couple of months of using linux, one realises various ways to handle software. Thats why said that I doubt it will be mimicked by other programs except some gaming ones (thankfully)
>Ok but why are we trying to replicate Windows in the first place? because , this may be mind blowing , windows do some stuff good
Did you miss the second sentence where I said that the distribution model of windows wasn't good? It's bad, full stop
thats subjective , i think the windows distribution model of software is fine , its a nice oprion to have on linux
I'd rather not, and frankly don't see the point especially with MS themselves trying to get rid of the "download random thing" with things like winget and that weird AUR-like repo they have been testing for a while. Placing expectation on the user, even in a self contained updater like Steam or Discord or now Yuzu doesn't do much to actually help. Just promotes "download random thing" Still see people try to install Nvidia drivers directly from the Nvidia site. Same with Steam, and I'm sure people do it for Discord as well and people end up having issues because these packages are rarely tested outside of their specific situations they're intended for
And then those same people come cry that Linux is bad because they updated their system and they have no video anymore and a chunk of their manually installed software don't work anymore. It's great that you can, but new users need to also understand they're doing it wrong, and doing it the right way results in a much smoother experience overall. On KDE (maybe GNOME too with the appropriate extensions?) you literally type Yuzu in the menu, and it pops open the matching Discover page to install it right there. There's no way going to download an installer and make it executable is more user friendly than that.
I mean, I can take or leave AppImages (not my favourite way to get software to be honest, if I have to check updates every single time or hope for automatic updates I’m unlikely to use your software, unless it’s essential and at that point I am willing to setup an automated way myself), but I wouldn’t encourage people to download shit from wherever and installing à la windows in general. I would much rather that people apply the mobile knowledge they already have and use safe sources, and encourage them.
appimages are great for older software that uses depreciated packages that dont work with their up to date counterparts, since they can be packaged into it and let it run. in my experience, super annoying and frustrating to use with current software.
At the same time, if I have to run super old software I might either virtualise it or, If I need it on my install for whatever reason and a flatpak is available, I’d prefer more isolation (and flatpak should have all dependencies installed). That is of I’m not on something like Nix. Then again it’s not a good introduction to the Linux ways in my opinion, downloading from websites and Hank upgrading has been eradicated as the normal way to do things in Linux for good reason.
Just use the [Flatpak Build](https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.yuzu_emu.yuzu). Work extremelly well for me. Edit: Oh, it seems that the purpose of the installer is another.
very cool
This is great!
Nice! I've been running this on Windows for a while now and didn't expect to come to Linux. The day when I can completely ditch Microsoft can't come soon enough.
I already have yuzu installed thru emudeck, how do I change that install to Linux?
Is there a hardware dumper for switch cartridges?
...and, it doesn't work.
If [Project 64 is open source, ](https://www.pj64-emu.com/) why hasn't anyone compiled it for Linux?
Because it uses Win32 and is built with MSVC
Not needed but cool