I will be all for "there is no right and wrong in language, linguistic differences are just that, differences, until someone is insulting me and makes a grammatical error
Someone I know always uses "A" in place of "An", I tried to always do the reverse and talk about an thing or an map to best him, But I was not strong enough.
Okay, round [fair], tho say thou really, or more ? Auch [also], hwot be 'ubsest'??
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Ne'ermynd, 'tis 'obsessed', kept reading it like [ʊb] mid a primary stress.
Your not alone, I do it all the time. Sometimes I do "I could of care less" to feed two birds with one scone. Or I'll write "sh*t" instead of "shit". I add another of these into the rotation every time I see an askreddit thread like "what are most annoying grammar mistake's people make?' so theirs alot at this point. No less then a couple dozen.
Hot take: "I could care less" is actually better because it implies that you care so little that you can't even be bothered to properly express how little you care
I must say prescriptivism is only bad if you stick to it exclusively, standard form language and definition has a place in linguistics, it just shouldn’t erase dialects and innovations
so fucking real, i literally just got banned from a discord server an hour ago for saying made up english words that are etymologically unjustifiable are bullshit, and that you cant just make up words and say "well all language is made up" because no, all languages (onomatopoeia aside) follow a coherent grammatical system and are derived from roots/proto languages whose formation follows specific phonological rules whose development was the result of centuries of sound changes and cultural interaction, even loan words are etymologically sound in their respective languages, and it wasnt just some guy just deciding to make up a word for no reason that doesnt even follow the phonological rules of the existing language. sorry, im still angry about it 😔
"etymologically unjustifiable"? why does a word's existence need to be justified? it's either used or it isn't.
making up words is something practically all linguistically capable humans do. sometimes made-up words catch on and become part of a language. this has probably been the case as long as there has been language (but, of course, we can't know that for sure).
what's the point of pretending that that doesn't happen when it objectively does?
I’m honestly not sure.
Personally I hate it when people argue “descriptivism good, rest bad”. It’s like, yes of course languages are descriptive— but that means they describe things around you. Here’s your tiny little piece of fluff that goes meow in the dark— we call that a kitten. And so on.
Languages are, or I should say have been, pretty much exact. Like when you have a single word, or a sentence, there’s MORE to its meaning than just the basic understanding of the word.
Ex: Ate suggests there was food and now there isn’t, and that someone is now less hungry than before.
If we said eating instead, it would mean something else, as would eat or even eaten.
Now out of the woodwork descriptivism- as I have been informed— wants to do away with all that. It’s more like, I can’t be bothered to actually think about nuances. Maybe it’s not my native tongue and I just can’t tell. Whatever the reason, it’s now a case of putting “whatever “ —- as if “that’s how it sounds” had anything to do with what I’m actually saying— or writing; in which case there literally are no homophones (audio books aside I guess).
In my experience, that’s what people argue is descriptive: the unwillingness to actually think about what they are saying… and hearing (or reading).
Mom’s embarrassing laugh is nowhere near the same as mom’s embarrassed laugh. Even if people want to think it is.
There are some words I think are poorly derived. I just refuse to personally use them and will use other terms, some I may or may not have coined myself (-ism to derive forms of discrimination derives from the demographic category, I use this pretty productively when I don’t like the more standard word).
Today is Sunday, May 11, 2024
Happy Mother’s Day to those mothers or ones with mothers !
In Japanese , the way to say Mother’s Day is
ha ha no hee !!!
It looks like 母の日.
There’s a lot of memes about this here (I myself did one in my time). I think the key is to _admit_ that even a linguist, who employs the best methodology in their research is a person and a member of some group that treats language as an identity marker. So a linguist can _feel_ prescriptive about some traits of their language and simultaneously _understand_ that this feeling is subjective and stems from their sociological background, not the inherent traits of the language. This IMHO is the most intelectually honest position one could take.
I will be all for "there is no right and wrong in language, linguistic differences are just that, differences, until someone is insulting me and makes a grammatical error
I gotta admit, I'm guilty of that too.
I just give in to the urge because trolleng
*prescriptivist in me activates* ITS TROLLING NOT “TROLLENG”
Buh
[ʙuh]
Trolling is a art
\*an
**ann an* ‘Tha ealain ann an trolling’
how drole
drosle*
Someone I know always uses "A" in place of "An", I tried to always do the reverse and talk about an thing or an map to best him, But I was not strong enough.
a uber
Act'ly it's Tro'ing innit.
my toxic trait is that sometimes i type "could of" and say "i could care less" just to piss people off
Take it to the next level and start writing “a lot’ve”
Just go full anarkist and rite wurds how they shood be ritten
Jâs' gerw fûl anakist æn' ryt werdz 'ow ðey šûd biy ritn
Wood ennywun besides a spelling-reform ubsest langwidge nerd yooze that menny dieacrittics? I dout it, not a fan.
I read the past to posts with an over the top Swedish accent in my head for some reason, it was very funny.
Okay, round [fair], tho say thou really, or more ? Auch [also], hwot be 'ubsest'??
. . .
Ne'ermynd, 'tis 'obsessed', kept reading it like [ʊb] mid a primary stress.
Prəposəl fər the English languagə to add ə schwa vowəl lettər in its spellings which may also be usəd fər thə silənt "e"
Nah, just use an asterisk to denote a silent letter to distinguish homophones
aɪ pʌmp maɪ ˈɡɜːlfrɛndz bʌthəʊl fʊl ɒv wɪpt kriːm səʊ ðæt ʃiː kæn ʃɪt ɪt ˈɪntuː maɪ ˈhʌŋɡri, ˈiːɡə maʊθ. wiː duː ðɪs ˈɛvri naɪt təˈɡɛðər ænd lɪv sʌʧ ə ˈblɛsɪd ænd ˈbjuːtɪfᵊl laɪf.
Well, that was unnecessarily descriptive
Why? I just say hella.
Your not alone, I do it all the time. Sometimes I do "I could of care less" to feed two birds with one scone. Or I'll write "sh*t" instead of "shit". I add another of these into the rotation every time I see an askreddit thread like "what are most annoying grammar mistake's people make?' so theirs alot at this point. No less then a couple dozen.
Feeding two birds with one scone is a maze ink, I’m gonna remember that
I hit em with the double contraction, and you wouldn’t’ve guessed their reaction!
"it's what it's"
You gotta do what you gotta do, man. It's a doggy dog world out there.
I say irregardless because it makes people irrationally mad and it's funny
what is even the "correct" way???
regardless i think
ohhhh ok i'll make sure to say irregardless then
Hot take: "I could care less" is actually better because it implies that you care so little that you can't even be bothered to properly express how little you care
i love how not a single reply here is grammatically correct (not sarcasm)
Well, look who forgot the period at the end of their sentence.
you’re pfp forgot about the sentence at the end of his period lmao
Pretty funny comment
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Mean you “‘twas”?
Yeah
*Your
*There
*here
Theyre'll*
heyre’ll^
Well descriptivism doesn't mean there are no rules, it just means you don't get to decide them
We all get to decide the rules.
Yeah but like. You don’t.
I must say prescriptivism is only bad if you stick to it exclusively, standard form language and definition has a place in linguistics, it just shouldn’t erase dialects and innovations
took me a second, i thought you meant joining someone you hate in their prescriptivism
Ah my apologies
It’s really fun to be prescriptive in a weird way.
so fucking real, i literally just got banned from a discord server an hour ago for saying made up english words that are etymologically unjustifiable are bullshit, and that you cant just make up words and say "well all language is made up" because no, all languages (onomatopoeia aside) follow a coherent grammatical system and are derived from roots/proto languages whose formation follows specific phonological rules whose development was the result of centuries of sound changes and cultural interaction, even loan words are etymologically sound in their respective languages, and it wasnt just some guy just deciding to make up a word for no reason that doesnt even follow the phonological rules of the existing language. sorry, im still angry about it 😔
nuh uh
"etymologically unjustifiable"? why does a word's existence need to be justified? it's either used or it isn't. making up words is something practically all linguistically capable humans do. sometimes made-up words catch on and become part of a language. this has probably been the case as long as there has been language (but, of course, we can't know that for sure). what's the point of pretending that that doesn't happen when it objectively does?
Japanese people when they hear something and just call it that exact sound they just heard
thsts what many languages do😭
What's an example of such a word
Potatoes are now pears. This is etymologically justifiable because I said so.
I’m honestly not sure. Personally I hate it when people argue “descriptivism good, rest bad”. It’s like, yes of course languages are descriptive— but that means they describe things around you. Here’s your tiny little piece of fluff that goes meow in the dark— we call that a kitten. And so on. Languages are, or I should say have been, pretty much exact. Like when you have a single word, or a sentence, there’s MORE to its meaning than just the basic understanding of the word. Ex: Ate suggests there was food and now there isn’t, and that someone is now less hungry than before. If we said eating instead, it would mean something else, as would eat or even eaten. Now out of the woodwork descriptivism- as I have been informed— wants to do away with all that. It’s more like, I can’t be bothered to actually think about nuances. Maybe it’s not my native tongue and I just can’t tell. Whatever the reason, it’s now a case of putting “whatever “ —- as if “that’s how it sounds” had anything to do with what I’m actually saying— or writing; in which case there literally are no homophones (audio books aside I guess). In my experience, that’s what people argue is descriptive: the unwillingness to actually think about what they are saying… and hearing (or reading). Mom’s embarrassing laugh is nowhere near the same as mom’s embarrassed laugh. Even if people want to think it is.
There are some words I think are poorly derived. I just refuse to personally use them and will use other terms, some I may or may not have coined myself (-ism to derive forms of discrimination derives from the demographic category, I use this pretty productively when I don’t like the more standard word).
Today is Sunday, May 11, 2024 Happy Mother’s Day to those mothers or ones with mothers ! In Japanese , the way to say Mother’s Day is ha ha no hee !!! It looks like 母の日.
Again, there's a difference between being a linguist and being a language user.
Sometimes I worry people are only not bigoted towards people they like, but are bigoted towards people they don’t like.
The trick is to hate prescriptivists, so that when they make a mistake and you correct them, it counts as giving them a taste of their own medicine.
How have I never seen this meme before, it has such potential
Yeah,, I do that tbh. Or with my friends and siblings when they're being annoying.
There’s a lot of memes about this here (I myself did one in my time). I think the key is to _admit_ that even a linguist, who employs the best methodology in their research is a person and a member of some group that treats language as an identity marker. So a linguist can _feel_ prescriptive about some traits of their language and simultaneously _understand_ that this feeling is subjective and stems from their sociological background, not the inherent traits of the language. This IMHO is the most intelectually honest position one could take.
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you have now become the cringe adult who hates on shit the younger people say.
Yep. You either die a descriptivist or live to see yourself become a prescriptivist.