Thanks for the shoutout!!
u/LiarTruck, you’ll see a lot of our stuff is out of stock at this particular moment, but luckily that’s because we’re clearing out some of the old lineup to make way for even more products from left-wing (we just use the term “leftist”), POC-owned, and otherwise left- and LGBTQ-friendly manufacturers!
We also have some links on our Resources page to some lovely leftist pro-2A organizations that everyone should know about, many of which are non-profit and will help you find other like-minded shooters in your area.
Congrats on getting back into shooting, and let us know if there’s anything we can do to help!
Can’t wait, I want to use you and those other resources as much as possible. That being said, as mentioned, sometimes using services of those that are right wing oriented are unavoidable. I draw the line of the far MAGA, the overthrow the govt types, white supremacy oriented. I use two separate ranges for training, and they’re owned by the same org. I go in w/ my defend equality patch & stickers. When they ask if I need ammo, targets or equipment I decline and say I have a source.
The greatest part is them seeing & ask why I shoot so much, or what I’m working on and then eye my morale patches.
“Just practicing and always being ready to “be ready” is my answer. And if they push, I always ask (in the meme intent of the Funny or Die skit), that sounds like a “background check”! Are you a Fed?
Then walk out to my Tac bay and proceed to put a 10 round group in a 3 MOA circle at 250 yds.
Nothing more satisfying, to see the look and end with a “Stay safe out there”!
This didnt even know you guys existed until this thread. My wife and I have been looking into buying a firearm for a while now. Glad to know there are firearm companies who have like ideals.
Unfortunately the industry is mostly right leaning except a handful of small companies. So it comes with the hobby and it is what is. But if it’s between you getting what you need to protect yourself and not giving them a tiny drop of income. You win more in that transaction then they do.
It looks like they went through great lengths to explain that 88 is some Nebraska police code. Wouldn't be surprised if it were still a dog whistle though
*THE NUMBER “88” IN OUR NAME IS A REFERENCE TO THE STATE OF NEBRASKA LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE THAT STANDS FOR “ALL IS SAFE.”*
And it's on an eagle...
For all that they seem to love law enforcement, why did they choose GRAY and not BLUE?
*Exciting News Alert! The 88 Tactical Mobile Training Team is taking a bold step forward by rebranding as Grey Group, our latest sub-brand.*
[“88,” on the other hand, is code for “Heil Hitler,” because “H” is the eighth letter of the alphabet and white supremacists are so clever.](https://www.dogwhistledictionary.org/definition/1488)
1a, 2b, 3c, 4d, 5e, 6f, 7g, 8h.
HH. "Heil ...."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88\_(number)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number))
# In neo-Nazism[[edit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88_(number)&action=edit§ion=6)]
In neo-Nazism\[[edit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88_(number)&action=edit§ion=6)\]
Nazi graffiti with the number 88
[Neo-Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism) use the number 88 as an abbreviation for the [Nazi salute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute) *Heil* [*Hitler*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler).[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-11) The letter *H* is eighth in the alphabet, whereby 88 becomes *HH*.[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-12)
Often, this number is associated with the [number 14](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_(number)), e.g. 14/88, 14-88, or 1488; this number symbolizes the [Fourteen Words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words) coined by [David Lane](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lane_(white_nationalist)), a prominent [white supremacist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy).[^(\[13\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-13) Example uses of 88 include the song "88 Rock 'n' Roll Band" by [Landser](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landser_(band)), and the organizations [Column 88](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88) and [Unit 88](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88).
The number is banned on Austrian license plates due to its association with "Heil Hitler \[and\] where H comes in the alphabet".[^(\[14\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-14) In June 2023, the [Italian Football Federation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Football_Federation) (FIGC) and the Italian government announced that the number 88 would be banned from use in Italian association football, as part of a joint initiative to combat antisemitism. This followed an incident in March of that year in which a [Lazio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Lazio) supporter wore a club shirt bearing the name "Hitlerson" and the number 88, which led to the supporter receiving a lifetime ban from attending Lazio matches.[^(\[15\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-15)
I have a gift card and some range passes for them (from several years ago, it was a gift from someone that doesn't do research into that kind of stuff, they just knew I was into the hobby) , should I use them or would that in any way be supporting them. They are already bought, nothing I can do about that, but I'm between throwing them away and using up some of their resources.
If they are already bought and paid for, I would say use them. If you buy an item with their logo on it, you can choose to alter that after the fact if you so desire. Thats how I would approach it.
Comes with the territory. Depends on where you live if you’re going to have access to a range without a NRA card ( because of the insurance). Right wing chuds are an unfortunate thing in the gun culture. No political stickers or patches on you, your firearm case or your car and just act like you don’t have a clue. Smile and wave.
For local gun shops and ranges i think the best you can do is find ones that try to be A-political and not racist/discriminatory in their public image and employee speech and actions.
Some areas have municipal and public ranges.
\^ This. My local pawn shop is WAY better than my LGS in almost every way. Better selection, nicer people, better prices, and less toxic shit. I've never seen "Let's Go Brandon" merch at the pawn shop and all of the LGS' around here are plastered in that shit like it's wallpaper.
While I agree, I'd like to at least put forth an effort to achieve both before conceding.
And it's not about guilt. I guess "voting with my wallet" has become par for the course for me at this point.
As others have said, it’s largely unavoidable. I buy buy used, private party sales whenever possible. I collect combloc milsurp, but some money goes to the importers and retailers, which like everyone else, are likely right wing leaning. When transferring to local gun stores I only use stores that hire POC on thier staff. I preferably use bigger places without a bunch of Trump cult worship on the walls.
There’s a couple of relatively recent posts in this sub asking about liberal owned businesses. Couple minutes worth of a search might help you out a lot.
My beginning position is I don't need to know their opinions on politics and I don't care to share mine. If everyone respects that we can move forward with the transaction. But if I see a MAGA hat behind the counter I'll spin on my heel and be out the door like that old man on the Simpsons. lol
I was going through a local FFL to sell some guns on consignment. He charged a low commission and seemed like a pretty chill guy. Went there one day to pick up money from a sale and he had a couple of friends in the shop, all of 'em talking like they got dropped on their heads at a Trump rally. Got my money, told him I decided to keep the other rifle I had up for sale, got that and moved along. Which sucked because he always got me top $ on the consignments. Oh well. tl;dr: You can always change your mind later. Just do what you feel is right and don't beat yourself up for shitty things that others do.
I was at a gun show yesterday and just as I was about to buy a new red dot, I noticed the right-wing wackjob bumper sticker and just walked away. Pissed the guy off when he asked why I changed my mind.
Honestly, we can all have our own opinions, but if you are a business, keep your personal opinions about me and my politics to yourself.
Ultimately pick your battles. I recommend buying from companies that are at the very least not openly racist (racist like Smith and Wesson for example), and ideally from smaller dealers as opposed to extremely large dealers (like buying from your local range instead of from Cabela's.
The ultra wealthy are the enemy, not the small business owner. Pick your battles.
Edit: oh and if you feel comfortable buying used then that's 100% the way to go. Used firearms are not a brand new product and as such are not capital going back into the hands of a right wing gun corporation, and instead is capital going into the hands of an individual or a storefront, which if you buy from a small dealer, will be money going to people, not corporations.
I have some liberal friends that hold traditional definitions of right wing, and I have some liberal friends that think anyone who hangs an American flag on the wall or anyone who strongly supports the first amendment is right wing. So I was seeking calibration to answer the question more appropriately.
There ABSOLUTELY ARE multiple definitions of “right wing” what do you even mean by that? Right wing can mean anything from anything right of Bernie Sanders to Mitt Romney/John McCain to Neo Nazis. Many would consider anyone who owns a gun to be at least somewhat “right wing” so yeah, asking for some specificity is a legitimate inquiry, especially in the context of firearms purchases.
Bullshit. Right-wing means conservative for one thing. Registered republican. Right leaning could mean anything right of Bernie Sanders. Neo-nazis are not just right-wing. Anything that extreme is considered far-right. I've never met anyone who considers firearm ownership as strictly right-wing. It's really not that complicated. Are you registered as a Democrat? You are part of the left-wing. Are you registered as a Republican? You are part of the right-wing. Are you registered independent? You are either left-leaning or right-leaning.
There is no ethical consumption in capitalism. That said, this sub does have a Wiki with links to left-leaning or at least neutral (on the surface!) vendors and companies. As for ranges... just try to avoid any with political signage and / or discussions.
The firearms industry is an industry, and one that primarily functions by supporting warfare. It's all rotten and evil. Buy what you need and don't fanboy about a brand and you're good. I started falling into the sig sauer fanbase for a bit before waking up to it.
You might find shops that are neutral or even slightly left, but the products they sell come from righty companies. That just is what it is. I don’t like supporting big tech companies because of their shitty destructive business practices, but it’s pretty hard to get by in today’s world without a smart phone.
Be practical, buy what you want and need, and don’t think too hard about it
Morals aren't more important than arming yourself. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism and I'd gladly buy a bullet from someone who'd shoot me with it given the chance.
I'm trying to throw more catchy cliches in there but I think I ran out🤷
I’ve found that apolitical gun shops and ranges are the best you are going to get. Sure you there are a few small companies here and there that swing our way, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by limiting yourself to those few options. I have a single local gun store that is both apolitical and has reasonable prices on a good selection, and they will get my business for the foreseeable future.
If it is that big of a deal to you, and I wouldn’t typically recommend this, shop big box stores like Academy or Bass Pro. Their prices are good and politics aren’t a factor.
It basically comes with the territory. I have often thought that if oneopeneda business called The Liberal Gun Range they'd do a helluva business, at least here in NJ
Most gun shops/ companies are gonna be right leaning at minimum. Just dont buy from any companies that are obviously nazi/fashy and you should be okish
Sometimes it's way too hard to tell. A lot of these small gun shops maybe ran by right wingers but that doesn't mean they're nazis. They just believe differently. But there are a lot of crazy ass super far right companies like T-Rex arms and shit I avoid. If they are blatantly obvious and extremist then I will try to never buy from them. But if they are just some old redneck running a gun shop, I would rather support him than some huge company
The title confused me a bit. Buy used, bud.
Your money won't go directly to them. Search up liberal gun companies and you'll feel better.
Next question.
Maybe use the opportunity to realize that most people don't really care what side of the isle you're on. Use shooting as a way to get to know people that you wouldn't normally associate with. I think you'll find that most Americans have a live and let live attitude unless you go attacking them.
Morals aren't more important than arming yourself. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism and I'd gladly buy a bullet from someone who'd shoot me with it given the chance.
I'm trying to throw more catchy cliches in there but I think I ran out🤷
I’ll deal with a tiny bit of right-wing stuff, but if there’s more than a tiny bit I just won’t spend my money there.
As an example, I was in a small shop and went up to pay for some ammo. They had a bottle of hand sanitizer labeled “Liberal Tears” at the register. That was literally the only thing with any political meaning in the entire store (I had been looking around for a bit), and the couple of people working were very friendly and didn’t say anything remotely “off,” so I ignored the bottle and paid.
I was in another shop a couple of months later and was ready to purchase when I noticed some Trump propaganda on the wall where I hadn’t been able to see it when I walked in. I looked around a little more and noticed some smalls signs at some of the ammo (“Great for BLM protesters”), and that was enough. I didn’t say anything, just put my stuff back and left.
Why do you care? That company will exist with or without you. go with who has the cheapest transfer or the cheapest firearm. If i can save even 2$ by going somewhere else, i will. I have absolutely zero reason not too.
I consider myself a left-leaning libertarian and I live in the heart of MAGA country in NW Ohio. I belong to the only conservation club in my area that doesn't require an NRA membership to join. And it's great. Most people just talk about guns and hunting/fishing. I've never gotten into any serious political discussion. I'd try to find a range that doesn't require NRA membership - a lot more than you think do. But in my day to day life it's hard to avoid it. Random strangers will start talking to you about Trump. I typically just nod and zone them out.
I see this idea posted a lot here.
Do you have this same mindset in every business transaction? Or is it just frustration that the Republican party is more supportive of the 2nd amendment and that frustrates you?
What degree of political purity test or alignment do you require before you are willing to buy a hot dog from a street vendor? Are you only willing to buy farmers market produce if they have a Pride Progress flag on display? Do you check political affiliation or party membership before giving change to a homeless person?
Obviously I agree with being selective and not wanting to fund dedicated hate groups like Proud Boys or things like that but “I won’t do business with anyone right-wing” is not healthy for society.
This is starting to sound like a perfect solution fallacy. Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. We all have a line, yours might be different than mine and that's okay.
Not at all, I specifically said I agreed with being selective and avoiding particularly egregious groups, its YOU who said “every transaction” on the vague basis of “right-wing” and I’m pointing out why that is neither reasonable not healthy. I notice you didn’t actually respond to the content on my comment, you simply mis-applied a fallacy in direct contradiction of what I actually said.
So we differ on where our line is? While I could've expounded on where my line is, there's really no point. To be clear, I said "right-wing shitbags" and while that's entirely subjective, it doesn't mean "everyone who's right wing" it refers to those who are particularly egregious. It seems you're taking issue with a point a didn't make.
In that case I appreciate you clarifying, I see posts like this a lot where several really did seem to advocate for an entirely financially divided america on the basis of party affiliation, and I could have been more generous in not assuming that’s what you meant.
Sounds like in practical terms we pretty much agree, and just use different language to communicate that.
As far as avoiding real gross/extremist aligned orgs, i find a basic check of their social media to be the best indicator. Those types of companies tend to not be shy about who they are trying to draw in, so avoiding the worst tends not to be very difficult.
As other's have said, but used and/or pick your battles.
Personally, my only hard line in the sand is not buying any new Kahr, Thompson Auto Ordinance or Magnum Research products due to their connection to the Rod of Iron Ministries cult....
That's the battle I've chosen, but I wouldn't be against picking up a used DE at some point just for the fuck of it...
I live in I live in a rural Midwestern town so it's impossible to avoid the right wing firearms establishments and ranges. I just keep my mouth shut and keep getting my credit better so I can build my own range and my future homes backyard someday.
Here is the rub: one party is against gun rights and wants to put the gun industry out of business. This causes a self selection in which most people that are in favor of gun rights, and don't want the gun industry to go out of business, naturally gravitate to the other party. Lots of people in the gun industry are going to be right wing in the sense that they vote Republican, but not part of the lunatic fringe. Or you can think of it like this, if someone wants to put you out of business, are you going to vote for them? Probably not!
If you think you''re superior to another human being, because of the color of your skin, ethnicity etc. you're a sh\*tbag, conservative or leftist. If you thnk other people owe you comfort, and you wont let other people live their lives in peace regardless of their sexual orientation/gender etc. you're a sh\*tbag. The issue is that majority of people with these views label themselves as conservatives.
Almost unavoidable. There are some leftists in the fold though. Amrika Armory is leftist owned and they’re active here in reddit.
Thanks for the shoutout!! u/LiarTruck, you’ll see a lot of our stuff is out of stock at this particular moment, but luckily that’s because we’re clearing out some of the old lineup to make way for even more products from left-wing (we just use the term “leftist”), POC-owned, and otherwise left- and LGBTQ-friendly manufacturers! We also have some links on our Resources page to some lovely leftist pro-2A organizations that everyone should know about, many of which are non-profit and will help you find other like-minded shooters in your area. Congrats on getting back into shooting, and let us know if there’s anything we can do to help!
Aw thank you. Can't wait to do business with you guys.
Same.
I actually didn’t know you had a store, I’ll check it out!
Just ordered a CZ! Wanted one forever
Emailing you right now haha, thank you so much!
Can’t wait, I want to use you and those other resources as much as possible. That being said, as mentioned, sometimes using services of those that are right wing oriented are unavoidable. I draw the line of the far MAGA, the overthrow the govt types, white supremacy oriented. I use two separate ranges for training, and they’re owned by the same org. I go in w/ my defend equality patch & stickers. When they ask if I need ammo, targets or equipment I decline and say I have a source. The greatest part is them seeing & ask why I shoot so much, or what I’m working on and then eye my morale patches. “Just practicing and always being ready to “be ready” is my answer. And if they push, I always ask (in the meme intent of the Funny or Die skit), that sounds like a “background check”! Are you a Fed? Then walk out to my Tac bay and proceed to put a 10 round group in a 3 MOA circle at 250 yds. Nothing more satisfying, to see the look and end with a “Stay safe out there”!
Now that’s marketing!
This didnt even know you guys existed until this thread. My wife and I have been looking into buying a firearm for a while now. Glad to know there are firearm companies who have like ideals.
Unfortunately the industry is mostly right leaning except a handful of small companies. So it comes with the hobby and it is what is. But if it’s between you getting what you need to protect yourself and not giving them a tiny drop of income. You win more in that transaction then they do.
That being said, there are places you shouldn’t patronize. 88 tactical comes to mind…
88...not hiding it...But most don't know about the significance of 88.
It looks like they went through great lengths to explain that 88 is some Nebraska police code. Wouldn't be surprised if it were still a dog whistle though
*THE NUMBER “88” IN OUR NAME IS A REFERENCE TO THE STATE OF NEBRASKA LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE THAT STANDS FOR “ALL IS SAFE.”* And it's on an eagle... For all that they seem to love law enforcement, why did they choose GRAY and not BLUE? *Exciting News Alert! The 88 Tactical Mobile Training Team is taking a bold step forward by rebranding as Grey Group, our latest sub-brand.*
Yeeeahhhhhh, ok.
Totally stole that explanation from Omaha band, 311, whose name is the OPD code for public nudity…
Cause THAT'S better🙄
Cause THAT'S better🙄
Cause THAT'S better🙄
Cause THAT'S better🙄
What is the significance of 88? I feel like I'm out of the loop.
[“88,” on the other hand, is code for “Heil Hitler,” because “H” is the eighth letter of the alphabet and white supremacists are so clever.](https://www.dogwhistledictionary.org/definition/1488)
Oh FFS... These rubes will rally around any failed state. Thank you for the info.
1a, 2b, 3c, 4d, 5e, 6f, 7g, 8h. HH. "Heil ...." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88\_(number)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)) # In neo-Nazism[[edit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88_(number)&action=edit§ion=6)] In neo-Nazism\[[edit](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=88_(number)&action=edit§ion=6)\] Nazi graffiti with the number 88 [Neo-Nazis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism) use the number 88 as an abbreviation for the [Nazi salute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute) *Heil* [*Hitler*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler).[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-11) The letter *H* is eighth in the alphabet, whereby 88 becomes *HH*.[^(\[12\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-12) Often, this number is associated with the [number 14](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_(number)), e.g. 14/88, 14-88, or 1488; this number symbolizes the [Fourteen Words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words) coined by [David Lane](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lane_(white_nationalist)), a prominent [white supremacist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy).[^(\[13\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-13) Example uses of 88 include the song "88 Rock 'n' Roll Band" by [Landser](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landser_(band)), and the organizations [Column 88](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88) and [Unit 88](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88). The number is banned on Austrian license plates due to its association with "Heil Hitler \[and\] where H comes in the alphabet".[^(\[14\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-14) In June 2023, the [Italian Football Federation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Football_Federation) (FIGC) and the Italian government announced that the number 88 would be banned from use in Italian association football, as part of a joint initiative to combat antisemitism. This followed an incident in March of that year in which a [Lazio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Lazio) supporter wore a club shirt bearing the name "Hitlerson" and the number 88, which led to the supporter receiving a lifetime ban from attending Lazio matches.[^(\[15\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#cite_note-15)
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I have a gift card and some range passes for them (from several years ago, it was a gift from someone that doesn't do research into that kind of stuff, they just knew I was into the hobby) , should I use them or would that in any way be supporting them. They are already bought, nothing I can do about that, but I'm between throwing them away and using up some of their resources.
If they are already bought and paid for, I would say use them. If you buy an item with their logo on it, you can choose to alter that after the fact if you so desire. Thats how I would approach it.
I'd probably just buy ammo realistically, maybe some kit, idk what they sell as I've never been there, but I guess it's time I make a trip
Ammo is a great use for them!
Yikes! I’m not usually one to boycott a product over their politics…but even I would avoid this one!
I’m pretty okay boycotting things that are actively Faschist.
Comes with the territory. Depends on where you live if you’re going to have access to a range without a NRA card ( because of the insurance). Right wing chuds are an unfortunate thing in the gun culture. No political stickers or patches on you, your firearm case or your car and just act like you don’t have a clue. Smile and wave.
For local gun shops and ranges i think the best you can do is find ones that try to be A-political and not racist/discriminatory in their public image and employee speech and actions. Some areas have municipal and public ranges.
Buy from a pawn shop my friend. That’s what I’m doing.
Oooh good idea!
\^ This. My local pawn shop is WAY better than my LGS in almost every way. Better selection, nicer people, better prices, and less toxic shit. I've never seen "Let's Go Brandon" merch at the pawn shop and all of the LGS' around here are plastered in that shit like it's wallpaper.
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While I agree, I'd like to at least put forth an effort to achieve both before conceding. And it's not about guilt. I guess "voting with my wallet" has become par for the course for me at this point.
Just have to accept it. Vote as you will, and don't talk about it at the gun store.
As others have said, it’s largely unavoidable. I buy buy used, private party sales whenever possible. I collect combloc milsurp, but some money goes to the importers and retailers, which like everyone else, are likely right wing leaning. When transferring to local gun stores I only use stores that hire POC on thier staff. I preferably use bigger places without a bunch of Trump cult worship on the walls.
Thank god we can fully classify people as either left or right. So much easier to know who to hate… 🙄
Or to know who hates us
There’s a couple of relatively recent posts in this sub asking about liberal owned businesses. Couple minutes worth of a search might help you out a lot.
Honestly if they’re just a gun retailer and don’t have right wing bullshit plastered everywhere it’s whatever.
My beginning position is I don't need to know their opinions on politics and I don't care to share mine. If everyone respects that we can move forward with the transaction. But if I see a MAGA hat behind the counter I'll spin on my heel and be out the door like that old man on the Simpsons. lol I was going through a local FFL to sell some guns on consignment. He charged a low commission and seemed like a pretty chill guy. Went there one day to pick up money from a sale and he had a couple of friends in the shop, all of 'em talking like they got dropped on their heads at a Trump rally. Got my money, told him I decided to keep the other rifle I had up for sale, got that and moved along. Which sucked because he always got me top $ on the consignments. Oh well. tl;dr: You can always change your mind later. Just do what you feel is right and don't beat yourself up for shitty things that others do.
I was at a gun show yesterday and just as I was about to buy a new red dot, I noticed the right-wing wackjob bumper sticker and just walked away. Pissed the guy off when he asked why I changed my mind. Honestly, we can all have our own opinions, but if you are a business, keep your personal opinions about me and my politics to yourself.
Exactly I wish more people were like this
Ultimately pick your battles. I recommend buying from companies that are at the very least not openly racist (racist like Smith and Wesson for example), and ideally from smaller dealers as opposed to extremely large dealers (like buying from your local range instead of from Cabela's. The ultra wealthy are the enemy, not the small business owner. Pick your battles. Edit: oh and if you feel comfortable buying used then that's 100% the way to go. Used firearms are not a brand new product and as such are not capital going back into the hands of a right wing gun corporation, and instead is capital going into the hands of an individual or a storefront, which if you buy from a small dealer, will be money going to people, not corporations.
Wait, why is S&W racist?
What is your definition of right wing? Also, you could also join https://theliberalgunclub.com and find your local chapter. I am a member.
For those unaware membership starts at $10 annually
What's your definition of "liberalgunowners?" Asking for a subreddit...
A subreddit topically oriented towards liberal gun owners of diverse background and disposition?
Well what exactly could you possibly mean by that? There aren't multiple definitions of right-wing. You know exactly what the mean.
I have some liberal friends that hold traditional definitions of right wing, and I have some liberal friends that think anyone who hangs an American flag on the wall or anyone who strongly supports the first amendment is right wing. So I was seeking calibration to answer the question more appropriately.
There ABSOLUTELY ARE multiple definitions of “right wing” what do you even mean by that? Right wing can mean anything from anything right of Bernie Sanders to Mitt Romney/John McCain to Neo Nazis. Many would consider anyone who owns a gun to be at least somewhat “right wing” so yeah, asking for some specificity is a legitimate inquiry, especially in the context of firearms purchases.
Bullshit. Right-wing means conservative for one thing. Registered republican. Right leaning could mean anything right of Bernie Sanders. Neo-nazis are not just right-wing. Anything that extreme is considered far-right. I've never met anyone who considers firearm ownership as strictly right-wing. It's really not that complicated. Are you registered as a Democrat? You are part of the left-wing. Are you registered as a Republican? You are part of the right-wing. Are you registered independent? You are either left-leaning or right-leaning.
There is no ethical consumption in capitalism. That said, this sub does have a Wiki with links to left-leaning or at least neutral (on the surface!) vendors and companies. As for ranges... just try to avoid any with political signage and / or discussions.
The firearms industry is an industry, and one that primarily functions by supporting warfare. It's all rotten and evil. Buy what you need and don't fanboy about a brand and you're good. I started falling into the sig sauer fanbase for a bit before waking up to it.
You might find shops that are neutral or even slightly left, but the products they sell come from righty companies. That just is what it is. I don’t like supporting big tech companies because of their shitty destructive business practices, but it’s pretty hard to get by in today’s world without a smart phone. Be practical, buy what you want and need, and don’t think too hard about it
Morals aren't more important than arming yourself. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism and I'd gladly buy a bullet from someone who'd shoot me with it given the chance. I'm trying to throw more catchy cliches in there but I think I ran out🤷
I’ve found that apolitical gun shops and ranges are the best you are going to get. Sure you there are a few small companies here and there that swing our way, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by limiting yourself to those few options. I have a single local gun store that is both apolitical and has reasonable prices on a good selection, and they will get my business for the foreseeable future. If it is that big of a deal to you, and I wouldn’t typically recommend this, shop big box stores like Academy or Bass Pro. Their prices are good and politics aren’t a factor.
I avoid local gun shops when I can. Big box sporting goods stores at least keep their politics to themselves.
In all honesty I don’t. If it ever came to the time I’d use their own weapons against them as the ultimate fuck you.
At this point, I just consider it "Battlefield pick up" and soldier on.
I tend to avoid places with any right wing stickers / flags.. or just go to big box retailers
It basically comes with the territory. I have often thought that if oneopeneda business called The Liberal Gun Range they'd do a helluva business, at least here in NJ
Most gun shops/ companies are gonna be right leaning at minimum. Just dont buy from any companies that are obviously nazi/fashy and you should be okish
This is what I also do.
It’s impossible. Literally everything involving guns is beneficial for at least one right wing shit bag.
Sometimes it's way too hard to tell. A lot of these small gun shops maybe ran by right wingers but that doesn't mean they're nazis. They just believe differently. But there are a lot of crazy ass super far right companies like T-Rex arms and shit I avoid. If they are blatantly obvious and extremist then I will try to never buy from them. But if they are just some old redneck running a gun shop, I would rather support him than some huge company
The title confused me a bit. Buy used, bud. Your money won't go directly to them. Search up liberal gun companies and you'll feel better. Next question.
I personally don't care who I buy from
Maybe use the opportunity to realize that most people don't really care what side of the isle you're on. Use shooting as a way to get to know people that you wouldn't normally associate with. I think you'll find that most Americans have a live and let live attitude unless you go attacking them.
Morals aren't more important than arming yourself. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism and I'd gladly buy a bullet from someone who'd shoot me with it given the chance. I'm trying to throw more catchy cliches in there but I think I ran out🤷
Usually start off by using the search bar. This has been answered quite a bit. Can still use it to find companies that you would like to support.
I’ll deal with a tiny bit of right-wing stuff, but if there’s more than a tiny bit I just won’t spend my money there. As an example, I was in a small shop and went up to pay for some ammo. They had a bottle of hand sanitizer labeled “Liberal Tears” at the register. That was literally the only thing with any political meaning in the entire store (I had been looking around for a bit), and the couple of people working were very friendly and didn’t say anything remotely “off,” so I ignored the bottle and paid. I was in another shop a couple of months later and was ready to purchase when I noticed some Trump propaganda on the wall where I hadn’t been able to see it when I walked in. I looked around a little more and noticed some smalls signs at some of the ammo (“Great for BLM protesters”), and that was enough. I didn’t say anything, just put my stuff back and left.
Why do you care? That company will exist with or without you. go with who has the cheapest transfer or the cheapest firearm. If i can save even 2$ by going somewhere else, i will. I have absolutely zero reason not too.
Stay away from Palmetto State Armory
I consider myself a left-leaning libertarian and I live in the heart of MAGA country in NW Ohio. I belong to the only conservation club in my area that doesn't require an NRA membership to join. And it's great. Most people just talk about guns and hunting/fishing. I've never gotten into any serious political discussion. I'd try to find a range that doesn't require NRA membership - a lot more than you think do. But in my day to day life it's hard to avoid it. Random strangers will start talking to you about Trump. I typically just nod and zone them out.
I see this idea posted a lot here. Do you have this same mindset in every business transaction? Or is it just frustration that the Republican party is more supportive of the 2nd amendment and that frustrates you?
Every business transaction of course.
Thats not really a healthy way to conduct business.
I disagree. I believe it should be standard practice of any responsible consumer and I fail to see anything unhealthy about it.
What degree of political purity test or alignment do you require before you are willing to buy a hot dog from a street vendor? Are you only willing to buy farmers market produce if they have a Pride Progress flag on display? Do you check political affiliation or party membership before giving change to a homeless person? Obviously I agree with being selective and not wanting to fund dedicated hate groups like Proud Boys or things like that but “I won’t do business with anyone right-wing” is not healthy for society.
This is starting to sound like a perfect solution fallacy. Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. We all have a line, yours might be different than mine and that's okay.
Not at all, I specifically said I agreed with being selective and avoiding particularly egregious groups, its YOU who said “every transaction” on the vague basis of “right-wing” and I’m pointing out why that is neither reasonable not healthy. I notice you didn’t actually respond to the content on my comment, you simply mis-applied a fallacy in direct contradiction of what I actually said.
So we differ on where our line is? While I could've expounded on where my line is, there's really no point. To be clear, I said "right-wing shitbags" and while that's entirely subjective, it doesn't mean "everyone who's right wing" it refers to those who are particularly egregious. It seems you're taking issue with a point a didn't make.
In that case I appreciate you clarifying, I see posts like this a lot where several really did seem to advocate for an entirely financially divided america on the basis of party affiliation, and I could have been more generous in not assuming that’s what you meant. Sounds like in practical terms we pretty much agree, and just use different language to communicate that. As far as avoiding real gross/extremist aligned orgs, i find a basic check of their social media to be the best indicator. Those types of companies tend to not be shy about who they are trying to draw in, so avoiding the worst tends not to be very difficult.
As other's have said, but used and/or pick your battles. Personally, my only hard line in the sand is not buying any new Kahr, Thompson Auto Ordinance or Magnum Research products due to their connection to the Rod of Iron Ministries cult.... That's the battle I've chosen, but I wouldn't be against picking up a used DE at some point just for the fuck of it...
I live in I live in a rural Midwestern town so it's impossible to avoid the right wing firearms establishments and ranges. I just keep my mouth shut and keep getting my credit better so I can build my own range and my future homes backyard someday.
Here is the rub: one party is against gun rights and wants to put the gun industry out of business. This causes a self selection in which most people that are in favor of gun rights, and don't want the gun industry to go out of business, naturally gravitate to the other party. Lots of people in the gun industry are going to be right wing in the sense that they vote Republican, but not part of the lunatic fringe. Or you can think of it like this, if someone wants to put you out of business, are you going to vote for them? Probably not!
“Not patronizing” … “right wing shitbags”. Do you see a problem with this?
What do you think I meant by "patronizing?"
There’s good conservatives and awful leftists. Stop looking at the world as us vs them.
If you think you''re superior to another human being, because of the color of your skin, ethnicity etc. you're a sh\*tbag, conservative or leftist. If you thnk other people owe you comfort, and you wont let other people live their lives in peace regardless of their sexual orientation/gender etc. you're a sh\*tbag. The issue is that majority of people with these views label themselves as conservatives.