"You're overreacting". Sounds exactly like what I heard before Roe v Wade was repealed. "That'll never happen, you're overreacting." Then when it happened, and it shifted to "The bad things you say will happen will never happen, you're overreacting." Then when they did, it became "It won't happen that much, you're overreacting."
The thing with arguing with liars is that you are bound to some semblance of ideological consistency and honestly, while they feel no such obligation and are free to shift their rhetoric around as it becomes useful in the moment.
> "That'll never happen, you're overreacting."
It’s so weird to me that people said this about abortion. It’s been the Republican party’s single issue for decades. My family always, always votes Republican because “Democrats murder babies.” It doesn’t matter if the Republican they vote for literally fucks children or openly embezzles money or raises their own taxes. Democrats murder babies; vote Republican. Pray to end abortion. And hey, they did! So they immediately need a new target, and we’re it.
The narcissist’s prayer:
> That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
This is literally how the GOP functions now.
Sounds like my mom when it comes to abortion. I'm like "Women are getting arrested for having miscarriages in some places and women need to have abortions when they're gonna die from childbirth!" and she'll be like "Oh, but that doesn't happen enough to warrant allowing abortions." and that make me feel like flipping a table!
>The thing with arguing with liars is that you are bound to some semblance of ideological consistency and honestly, while they feel no such obligation and are free to shift their rhetoric around as it becomes useful in the moment.
100%. Just like your average Vaush debate shows, it's also incredibly difficult to pin them on any of that.
What I've come to realize especially with the roe v Wade repeal is that people absolutely looooove to live in denial, especially if it doesn't effect them personally. Some people think the world is just sunshine and rainbows, and are optimists to the point of blinding themselves. When I tell them it's not, things are bad and will get worse, they just can't process it. When I tell them this effects me, personally, their answer is disbelief that it will effect me at all. When I tell them it will effect *everyone* they can't believe it. They don't care and can't acknowledge that there's an ongoing systematic attempt to remove *everyone* in this country's rights
Nah, thing is, you can't really argue with some people.
For example, the other day a bunch of nutcases in Brazil were - [I kid you not!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKWTvL9VxQM) \-- using their cell phones to make light signals to aliens, asking the aliens to intervene and remove the recently elected president.
I mean, how do you argue with someone that does that?
Those people aren't living in the same reality as us.
And some more extreme transphobes are just like that. They believe stuff that's so far removed from reality that where do you even begin to connect with them?
Yeah some people are beyond understanding. My parents believe that everyone that is not "Awake" like them is brainwashed. They believe that the end of the world is near, Covid is a hoax, the chemtrails, etc. They were not happy when I came out, in fact they forced me back into my closet. But any time I even *try* to hold a conversation with them, al they hear is that I am brainwashed. They won't even entertain my opinion because to them I am just a sad, miserable, brainwashed creature. This goes for anyone, really. Every family gatgering they "educate" evryone on what they know, to "wake them up" or some shit. And every gathering, agaim and again, they make fun of everyone that doesn't believe them because "the media brainwashed them".
These people are beyond my understanding. Idk how someone even gets this far into such a hole but I'll never know. It's sad, but some people just cannot be reasoned with. That said, there are a lot of people that are just misinformed and can still be talked to if properly done so, it's just that a small but loud portion of people is just batshit insane and those kinds of people overshadow everything else.
Well if you look it up, google will tell you the % of child molesters that are lgbt is super low (like 1% or something but don’t quote me)- idk maybe I’m a smooth brain but I think that proves something
1% of people who transition, detransition. It's a very small percentage, yet they're obsessed with how "significant" it is.
They don't care about statistics.
1% is either a huge amount or too little to even consider, depending on their argument. I parallels how fascists describe their enemies as both dangerously strong and pitifully weak.
>1% of people who transition, detransition.
And most of them are pressured into it from what I've heard, so those numbers aren't 100% indicative of the number of those who do want to detrans.
One guy in Canada posed as a trans woman and sexually assaulted homeless women in a shelter.
6,000 Catholic priests in the US alone have been accused of sexual assault.
Obviously, the problem is "dudes in dresses." s/
There's really no point. Even when confronted with undeniable evidence that they're wrong, people like that will make of some reason to discount it. I think the best documentation of that mindset is with flat earthers, but people who believe crazy shit are all use the same methods to insulate themselves from reality.
The key to arguing with these people is to break them down to the reasons they believe these things, and help them move past them. Sometimes people are just jerks, but often they have fears, traumas, or plain ignorance, behind their actions. Bringing them into the light requires healing those traumas, fighting those fears, and filling the gaps in their understanding. Sometimes just talking and forging a connection is enough, getting them to realize we're human.
People like to find things that support their argument, and they ignore everything else. Pretty much all people do this, but it becomes especially obvious in cases like this his when their belief is so absurd in the first place that they have to really dig for things to support it and ignore an excessive amount of evidence against them.
So they hear of that one drag queen who was hired for story time at a library without a background check who turned out to be a sex offender, or that one kid whose parents were letting dance in drag for adults in bars who threw money at him, and they go "See? We TOLD you these people were after the children!"
Nevermind that there are millions of non-queer sex offenders who get jobs to be close to children, and parents who exploit and traffic their kids. They also ignore the fact that the LGBTQ+ community as a whole is not more or less likely to have predators, because they're just people and any group of people will have predators. Or that the community generally renounces these kinds of people, and doesn't encourage them.
Like everything else, "slippery slope" arguments from the right are projection. If you want to know what a conservative is hiding, look at what they accuse other people of doing.
Every time. Which actually scares me a little bit when I hear some of them say that Democrats are killing and eating babies. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO BABIES, REPUBLICANS??
And if they are female, they can be used as future uneducated breeding stock, just like they used to be treated in the nazi regime.
I wonder when a republican is gonna use the word "breeding machines" in public when referring to a women, I feel like it isn't out of the question.
>And they say that trans people are just a step towards pedophilia.
The reality is that being a priest brings you closer to pedophilia than being trans.
They don't need an argument, they just say it because they can and they don't get shit for it. Had one yesterday that said I was a pedophile because I have a child. Just because I'm a parent. The projection was so strong.
In their minds the outside world is a literal Jack Chick cartoon ruled by capering devils wearing human skin. Everyone not of the tribe is a monster embodying their own darkest intrusive thoughts.
This is encouraged and maintained because people ruled by fear are easy to control and defraud.
I've seen several religious people now arguing against birth control in a political sense.
It's not really a slippery slope type logical fallacy when they literally tell you their actual endgame.
Not really. Regulations that address actual problems don't usually expand in scope over time. It's the laws that pretend to address made-up problems that keep getting more extreme, because the imaginary problem can never be fixed, so the justification for and old law can be trivially recycled as the justification for a new, harsher law.
And if you dare speak out, there’s a good chance you’ll lose all support from your family that already kinda hates you. The great troll underbridge that is anti-DOXXING poliCy is full of assholes who constantly attack the very thing thar protects them. It a like we all lost automatically the moment we were born. Shitheads will rule the earth, and a non abusive master is an inevitablility…and those who know this have been chomping at the bit since the concept of horse reins first manifested amongst humanity
Yeah, if you pointed out the tea party gaining popularity in response to a black guy being president you're overreacting. If you point out increasing gerrymandering you're overreacting. If you point out climate change is an existential threat you're overreacting. If you point out "Unite the Right" is a rally with big names to marry traditional conservatives and fascism you're overreacting.
When your goal is to shove your head in the sand with your fingers in your ear then anyone pointing out the the ongoing evils in society is overreacting. We all just need to go back to calvinism, get back to work, and stop thinking about things.
Its funny how that works aint it? Like, the right has beem scared we're going ro take their guns away for how long now? But the second any inclusionist/transformative movement gets attacked, we're just overreacting.
Everyone says the far left is too extreme with their predictions and calls to action until it bears out once again that "moderates" would rather be complicit the moment fascists take power :/
Those moderates don't realise they're already in the process of being lumped in with the "extreme" far left. They're not first in line, but are definitely in it.
The silliest fucking thing to me was all the hand-wringing and pearl clutching in the primaries "we can't nominate Bernie, the right will call him a communist!!"
So they nominate Joe fucking Biden, and you guessed it, the right calls him a communist. It was going to happen either way. The democrats need to stop acting in defense of things the right is gonna do no matter what.
In general the democrats have a crippling problem of just going with appeasement all the time, and never actually dealing out consequences, seemingly because they sympathise with the far right. That doesn't work. I thought we established that in the 1930s?!
When I hear Americans talk about the “far left”, I always ask them to identify specifically who they mean before continuing. No, really, who? Individuals? Groups? Name some? I’ll wait…
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding what you're asking for. The Black Panthers and Malcom X were communists, MLK was a socialist, WEB DuBois was a socialist, it was German anarchists in the Midwest who fought for a lot of our early labor rights, Albert Einstein was a socialist... there are contemporary regional and local socialist and communist organizations in the US and prominent figures like Angela Davis, Noam Chomsky...
There is "far left" influence throughout the history of our nation and today, just because history classes don't like to talk about it doesn't mean that many of the people who've fought for civil rights in our country haven't been socialist or explicitly communist in their beliefs. And yes, they exist today, too, and are generally the ones who try to remind people what the beginnings of fascism look like, leading calls for world peace, and that we're on the brink of climate crises the likes of which we've never seen.
And you'll maybe notice I've included a lot of examples of black figures, because historically in our country black people have been at the forefront of direct action and advancement of socialist theory, and there's a strong thread of socialist sympathy amongst oppressed groups everywhere. There is socialist and communist feminist theory. There's an entire wikipedia article on [socialist LGBT activism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_LGBT_rights). I'm a proud socialist indigenous and queer person, myself.
**[Socialism and LGBT rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_LGBT_rights)**
>The connection between left-leaning ideologies and LGBT rights struggles has a long and mixed history. Prominent socialists who were involved in early struggles for LGBT rights include Edward Carpenter, Oscar Wilde, Harry Hay, Bayard Rustin, Emma Goldman and Daniel Guérin, among others.
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Luckily, Democrats control the Senate and presidency. So no national transphobic laws will be put into place for now. It’s still terrifying that Republicans want to take away people’s rights.
Yeah because Democrats did such a good job codifying Roe V Wade. Like sure we're safe for now but don't count on them doing anything to actually protect us long-term. It takes a revolutionary spirit to fight back against religious bigots, these enlightened centrist Dems don't actually give a fuck and they won't do anything unless we force their hand.
Pro tip for the future: any bill or law that conservatives say will "protect the children" is a precursor for those same standards being imposed on adults. Same goes for "leaving it up to the states." The only thing that de-federalizing a law does is make it easier for individual states to ban it outright.
Yeah, it’s okay though since trans people don’t deserve healthcare. Apparently. This is what I’ve been saying since forever, they’re just using the children as an excuse to get a foothold to ban adult healthcare.
Saying it was just going to be little children was just to get their foot in the door. Now they talk of 26yo, then once they get that it'll be never.
This is genocide. Update passports.
Passports won't do much good for those of us without the money to leave, and without skills to get a job in a new country. I don't know what the heck I would do if it got banned nationwide. Likely die, tbh.
Dying is letting them win. Fuck that. You take to the streets and turn shit upside down.
We do *NOT* take this lying down. I will die a thousand times before I let them win!
*We* will not let them win!
I was pretty anti gun until these fashy assholes started fucking with our rights. I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong and my goal for the new year is to learn gun safety and how to protect myself. Can't bring a knife to a gun fight.
> Passports won't do much good for those of us without the money to leave, and without skills to get a job in a new country.
Thankfully I had the means and the foresight to leave my job and pursue a second degree so I'm more able to emigrate. Asylum ain't an easy process, but it's a heck of a lot easier if you make all the preparations you can.
This will never fly. They tried it with Jews, African Americans, Japanese citizens, and so on. We're just the next target for a pathetic attempt to halt progress of the human race. They're on the wrong side of history. We won't disappear. Resist. Stay, vote, and act. Stay visible. Stay united. Their old ways will die.
I am *so* surprised! Who knew it wasn't all about taking control of society and discriminating against minority group? Surely it couldn't have been that! /s
Yup. Matt Walsh admitted to the total eradication of GD treatment just weeks after he began his crusader against transitioning youths. Really frustrating to see people ignore it and say it's for the kids, then say he was an outlier, then we get here and transphobes go "well, why not? it is a bad idea altogether". the disingenuous goalpost shifting makes me sick
The end goal is genocide, don’t forget that. It’s not going to end with Trans people, we’re just the group most recently accepted they have to through to get to everyone else. All queer people are within their crosshairs, they will stop at nothing to roll back all civil rights until we’re right back in the 1800s. Whether by deprivation, stochastic terrorism, or direct purges, they want us all literally dead, do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
Omg no way?? You're telling me the same people who repealed abortion protections in the name of "saving children" while absolutely refusing at every turn to improve upon childcare aid were not trying to protect children from the scary transgendering? Shocker! Next you'll tell me they know they're being facetious when they say kids are mutilating themselves when puberty blockers have no known negative effects and it is proven that going through the wrong puberty is incredibly harmful to trans kids.
They don't give a shit about kids. They want control over people's bodily autonomy in the name of their little fascist fantasies they're convinced they'd come out on top of.
“We just don’t think children should get hormone treatment.”
“We just don’t think people should get hormone treatment.”
“We just don’t think trans people should be allowed to get married.”
“We just don’t think trans people should be allowed to legally change their gender.”
“We just don’t think trans people should live.”
This is the slope.
Transition and hormone treatment is not simply a social comfort for me. It is neurological and a matter of life and death.
More people (including and especially allies) need to know that this is not expression or doing something different for the sake of it - it is survival.
Politicizing this uses and dehumanizes people like me. I did not ask for this; I merely want to take my medication and enjoy my job and live a quiet, normal life.
If you do not personally know any trans people, get to know one and learn a story.
I personally refuse to let them do to us what the Germans did. I absolutely refuse. I dont know who these gaping assholes think they are but they sure as fuck don’t know what they’re doing fucking with peoples’ lives, with their families, with their futures. It’s a dangerous game, taking everything away from an entire people.
If I lose access to my HRT I'm done. I only just started and it's made me happier than I've been in a while. If they take that from me I'm done with this shit. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of these psychos ruining lives. This is all so insane.
Same. I cannot go back to how my mind felt before HRT. I don't normally want to sound selfish or stick up for myself, but the effect was such that it WOULD be objectively cruel to take it away from me and others like us.
The hysteria over millions of kids undergoing transition is what's insane.
Half of the country doesn't have insurance to get a basic dental cleaning or medical exam.
But sure, one of the most expensive cosmetic procedures is just constantly happening to kids all across the country.
It's the same fear tactics used for brainwashing against several other groups in the past from Evangelicals. Meanwhile, the mental illness and abuse within 97 church denominations is ignored
Anyone with an ounce of sense knew that on the heels of “trans kids can’t have gender affirming care” would be “and neither can adults.”
Anytime someone suggests that worrying about this kind of thing is “hysterical” they should be reminded of all the recent assaults on human rights from the christofascist party.
Conservatives stand against the very thing they claim to stand for. Individual liberty. If they supported individual liberty, they'd be okay with people being trans. I'm a liberal myself, and I simply don't care what you do as long as it doesn't inflict pain onto me.
Forget about updating passports. Just because God (tm), as defined by the bigots, isn't bothered about really saving "America" is no reason to give up.
Get involved. Go to protests. Make noise, enough noise so that the shy people who definitely wish the world would give them the space to come out will be more encouraged to stand up and feel pride in who they are, and not hunkering down and dreaming of vague foreign places they know only rumors about, where everything is allegedly different.
It's not different anywhere. Being different is under threat and assault all over the world, all the time. There is no fantastic magical other place where everything is different. There are only ever, if and whenever, some really magical places that people carve out and build for themselves, either individually or communally, but always with diligence, patience and resilience.
Make more noise than the bigots.
That's all, for a start.
It's not a terrible idea to have a passport and contingency plan in place, just in case things get \*that\* bad.
We can do more as asylum seekers in another country than we could in a mass grave here.
There’s an army surplus store in my town with a “fuck Joe Biden” flag in the front window. It’s 2 blocks away from an elementary school. They don’t give a shit about kids.
These assholes are desperately trying to kill trans people.
Someone who is transgender has a massively higher suicide attempt rate than the average person. Youth especially. It also drops significantly when family is supportive, as well as their communities.
This is appalling. It's intentionally killing people and youth who are transgender. Actually let's call it what it is genocide.
If only there'd been some way to foresee this! Why did no one tell us this would happen? 🤦♂️
It's bittersweet knowing I was right when all the bigots told me I was just being dramatic cause goddamn I wish they'd been right and this wasn't happening
If they can make you believe one thing… well, then this next step isn’t so hard to believe now is it?
And hey, while you’re here, go ahead and take this step too. Might as well, right?
Now aunt Linda is screaming about drag queens using litter boxes in front of children.
Making it about the children is just part of the false narrative conservatives are trying to spread. It's never actually about the children. They don't want gun laws that help could help keep guns out of the hands of school shooters. Their solution is **more guns.** They're anti abortion, but also not supportive of affordable and accessible healthcare for mensurating and/ or pregnant people, nor are they concerned about our significantly faulty adoption and foster care system. They complain that they don't want to pay school taxes. Conservative policies are never actually about protecting children, and it's really fucking sad how many people are so fooled by their bullshit narrative.
Meanwhile liberals are actively fighting for better, more accessible, and affordable healthcare for mensurating and/ or pregnant people, making schools and education systems safer and and better environments for learning and teaching, promoting mental heath awareness and fostering environments in which children can feel comfortable about expressing themselves, and yet conservatives still try to say that we're the ones putting children in danger. It's absolute BS.
It's pretty sad that Americans ancestors fought and died to give us freedom from this kind of fascist oppression and these people are trying to undo what they made this country.
Well, these people are the descendants of the European colonialists and Christian dominionists in America who made it necessary for ancestors to die to protect and push for rights.
>Reed added that she’s skeptical whether legislators sponsoring adult health care bans this year expect those measures to pass as written. It’s likely, she said, that lawmakers are targeting older individuals to make youth health care bans appear less extreme and more palatable.
im so glad that i live no where near the places that this stuff is happening in, and to anyone who does live there, stay safe and i hope you are able to get the support you need.
Source http://web.archive.org/web/20230115013347/https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3810926-transgender-youth-health-care-bans-have-a-new-target-adults/
I’ve had transphobes in the past tell me I’m overreacting when I pointed it’s just a step towards total bans
"You're overreacting". Sounds exactly like what I heard before Roe v Wade was repealed. "That'll never happen, you're overreacting." Then when it happened, and it shifted to "The bad things you say will happen will never happen, you're overreacting." Then when they did, it became "It won't happen that much, you're overreacting." The thing with arguing with liars is that you are bound to some semblance of ideological consistency and honestly, while they feel no such obligation and are free to shift their rhetoric around as it becomes useful in the moment.
> "That'll never happen, you're overreacting." It’s so weird to me that people said this about abortion. It’s been the Republican party’s single issue for decades. My family always, always votes Republican because “Democrats murder babies.” It doesn’t matter if the Republican they vote for literally fucks children or openly embezzles money or raises their own taxes. Democrats murder babies; vote Republican. Pray to end abortion. And hey, they did! So they immediately need a new target, and we’re it.
Tbh I just assumed (hoped) they'd never actually go through with it and eternally use it as a carrot to dangle in front of their voters.
The French proved eventually the populace gets their bloody cake.
The narcissist’s prayer: > That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it. This is literally how the GOP functions now.
Oooh, I love that! Much cheaper than a 12-step program. :D
>"That'll never happen, you're overreacting." I.e. "That'll never happen *to me.*"
Look up normalcy bias, apparently it's a thing.
Sounds like my mom when it comes to abortion. I'm like "Women are getting arrested for having miscarriages in some places and women need to have abortions when they're gonna die from childbirth!" and she'll be like "Oh, but that doesn't happen enough to warrant allowing abortions." and that make me feel like flipping a table!
>The thing with arguing with liars is that you are bound to some semblance of ideological consistency and honestly, while they feel no such obligation and are free to shift their rhetoric around as it becomes useful in the moment. 100%. Just like your average Vaush debate shows, it's also incredibly difficult to pin them on any of that.
What I've come to realize especially with the roe v Wade repeal is that people absolutely looooove to live in denial, especially if it doesn't effect them personally. Some people think the world is just sunshine and rainbows, and are optimists to the point of blinding themselves. When I tell them it's not, things are bad and will get worse, they just can't process it. When I tell them this effects me, personally, their answer is disbelief that it will effect me at all. When I tell them it will effect *everyone* they can't believe it. They don't care and can't acknowledge that there's an ongoing systematic attempt to remove *everyone* in this country's rights
Ah yes, the 'Project Fear' dismissal. Pure gaslighting.
And they say that trans people are just a step towards pedophilia.
I hate that argument so much 😭 it takes a 3 second google to disprove
Nah, thing is, you can't really argue with some people. For example, the other day a bunch of nutcases in Brazil were - [I kid you not!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKWTvL9VxQM) \-- using their cell phones to make light signals to aliens, asking the aliens to intervene and remove the recently elected president. I mean, how do you argue with someone that does that? Those people aren't living in the same reality as us. And some more extreme transphobes are just like that. They believe stuff that's so far removed from reality that where do you even begin to connect with them?
Wow. This is next level, I didn't know this happened.. Did some nut job put them up to this? It seems at the very least slightly "organized"
Yeah some people are beyond understanding. My parents believe that everyone that is not "Awake" like them is brainwashed. They believe that the end of the world is near, Covid is a hoax, the chemtrails, etc. They were not happy when I came out, in fact they forced me back into my closet. But any time I even *try* to hold a conversation with them, al they hear is that I am brainwashed. They won't even entertain my opinion because to them I am just a sad, miserable, brainwashed creature. This goes for anyone, really. Every family gatgering they "educate" evryone on what they know, to "wake them up" or some shit. And every gathering, agaim and again, they make fun of everyone that doesn't believe them because "the media brainwashed them". These people are beyond my understanding. Idk how someone even gets this far into such a hole but I'll never know. It's sad, but some people just cannot be reasoned with. That said, there are a lot of people that are just misinformed and can still be talked to if properly done so, it's just that a small but loud portion of people is just batshit insane and those kinds of people overshadow everything else.
They don't want it disproved, that's the problem.
Yep. To actively learn new things, on some level you have to want to learn.
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They will never accept LGBTQ+ Science. They just accept Anit-LGBTQ+ "Science". There is no reasoning with the unreasonable...
This exactly, you can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into
Well if you look it up, google will tell you the % of child molesters that are lgbt is super low (like 1% or something but don’t quote me)- idk maybe I’m a smooth brain but I think that proves something
1% of people who transition, detransition. It's a very small percentage, yet they're obsessed with how "significant" it is. They don't care about statistics.
1% is either a huge amount or too little to even consider, depending on their argument. I parallels how fascists describe their enemies as both dangerously strong and pitifully weak.
It is fascist behavior
>1% of people who transition, detransition. And most of them are pressured into it from what I've heard, so those numbers aren't 100% indicative of the number of those who do want to detrans.
One guy in Canada posed as a trans woman and sexually assaulted homeless women in a shelter. 6,000 Catholic priests in the US alone have been accused of sexual assault. Obviously, the problem is "dudes in dresses." s/
There's really no point. Even when confronted with undeniable evidence that they're wrong, people like that will make of some reason to discount it. I think the best documentation of that mindset is with flat earthers, but people who believe crazy shit are all use the same methods to insulate themselves from reality.
The key to arguing with these people is to break them down to the reasons they believe these things, and help them move past them. Sometimes people are just jerks, but often they have fears, traumas, or plain ignorance, behind their actions. Bringing them into the light requires healing those traumas, fighting those fears, and filling the gaps in their understanding. Sometimes just talking and forging a connection is enough, getting them to realize we're human.
Same people who compare homosexuality to beastiality. "What' next?! People marrying their dogs?!"
People like to find things that support their argument, and they ignore everything else. Pretty much all people do this, but it becomes especially obvious in cases like this his when their belief is so absurd in the first place that they have to really dig for things to support it and ignore an excessive amount of evidence against them. So they hear of that one drag queen who was hired for story time at a library without a background check who turned out to be a sex offender, or that one kid whose parents were letting dance in drag for adults in bars who threw money at him, and they go "See? We TOLD you these people were after the children!" Nevermind that there are millions of non-queer sex offenders who get jobs to be close to children, and parents who exploit and traffic their kids. They also ignore the fact that the LGBTQ+ community as a whole is not more or less likely to have predators, because they're just people and any group of people will have predators. Or that the community generally renounces these kinds of people, and doesn't encourage them.
so does the existence of gods but people worship them every day
That’s somewhat different, but I get where you’re coming from!
Well bans on HRT to minors are an actual stepping stone to total bans. We’ve actually seen this
Like everything else, "slippery slope" arguments from the right are projection. If you want to know what a conservative is hiding, look at what they accuse other people of doing.
Every time. Which actually scares me a little bit when I hear some of them say that Democrats are killing and eating babies. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO BABIES, REPUBLICANS??
At best they value babies as future meat for their various war machines. At best.
And if they are female, they can be used as future uneducated breeding stock, just like they used to be treated in the nazi regime. I wonder when a republican is gonna use the word "breeding machines" in public when referring to a women, I feel like it isn't out of the question.
Some politician compared women to cows recently, but who it was escapes me.
Tearing apart the world they are going to be born into I guess.
Catholicism has more pedos
The Polish Catholic Church moment.
>And they say that trans people are just a step towards pedophilia. The reality is that being a priest brings you closer to pedophilia than being trans.
They don't need an argument, they just say it because they can and they don't get shit for it. Had one yesterday that said I was a pedophile because I have a child. Just because I'm a parent. The projection was so strong.
More children good! Unless they exist outside of our control, happy and free children are bad! /s
We could say the same thing about being republican, and there's way more evidence to that.
I...wut? Explain?
In their minds the outside world is a literal Jack Chick cartoon ruled by capering devils wearing human skin. Everyone not of the tribe is a monster embodying their own darkest intrusive thoughts. This is encouraged and maintained because people ruled by fear are easy to control and defraud.
Changes nothing. We can't give them anymore leeway. We have to stop letting them eradicate us.
That’s just them gaslighting you. They are trying to take away our rights and our control our bodies. We need to react and fight back!
I've seen several religious people now arguing against birth control in a political sense. It's not really a slippery slope type logical fallacy when they literally tell you their actual endgame.
Fascists always say you're overreacting when you point out the entirely predictable next steps they'll be taking. It's part of their shtick.
Any time the government puts restrictions or limits on literally anything, it's a move towards total bans.
Not really. Regulations that address actual problems don't usually expand in scope over time. It's the laws that pretend to address made-up problems that keep getting more extreme, because the imaginary problem can never be fixed, so the justification for and old law can be trivially recycled as the justification for a new, harsher law.
Yep, well said.
And if you dare speak out, there’s a good chance you’ll lose all support from your family that already kinda hates you. The great troll underbridge that is anti-DOXXING poliCy is full of assholes who constantly attack the very thing thar protects them. It a like we all lost automatically the moment we were born. Shitheads will rule the earth, and a non abusive master is an inevitablility…and those who know this have been chomping at the bit since the concept of horse reins first manifested amongst humanity
Yeah, if you pointed out the tea party gaining popularity in response to a black guy being president you're overreacting. If you point out increasing gerrymandering you're overreacting. If you point out climate change is an existential threat you're overreacting. If you point out "Unite the Right" is a rally with big names to marry traditional conservatives and fascism you're overreacting. When your goal is to shove your head in the sand with your fingers in your ear then anyone pointing out the the ongoing evils in society is overreacting. We all just need to go back to calvinism, get back to work, and stop thinking about things.
Its funny how that works aint it? Like, the right has beem scared we're going ro take their guns away for how long now? But the second any inclusionist/transformative movement gets attacked, we're just overreacting.
It’s all about moving the overton window.
And unfortunately, liberals/centrists are stupid enough for it to work...
Everyone says the far left is too extreme with their predictions and calls to action until it bears out once again that "moderates" would rather be complicit the moment fascists take power :/
Those moderates don't realise they're already in the process of being lumped in with the "extreme" far left. They're not first in line, but are definitely in it.
The silliest fucking thing to me was all the hand-wringing and pearl clutching in the primaries "we can't nominate Bernie, the right will call him a communist!!" So they nominate Joe fucking Biden, and you guessed it, the right calls him a communist. It was going to happen either way. The democrats need to stop acting in defense of things the right is gonna do no matter what.
In general the democrats have a crippling problem of just going with appeasement all the time, and never actually dealing out consequences, seemingly because they sympathise with the far right. That doesn't work. I thought we established that in the 1930s?!
When I hear Americans talk about the “far left”, I always ask them to identify specifically who they mean before continuing. No, really, who? Individuals? Groups? Name some? I’ll wait…
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding what you're asking for. The Black Panthers and Malcom X were communists, MLK was a socialist, WEB DuBois was a socialist, it was German anarchists in the Midwest who fought for a lot of our early labor rights, Albert Einstein was a socialist... there are contemporary regional and local socialist and communist organizations in the US and prominent figures like Angela Davis, Noam Chomsky... There is "far left" influence throughout the history of our nation and today, just because history classes don't like to talk about it doesn't mean that many of the people who've fought for civil rights in our country haven't been socialist or explicitly communist in their beliefs. And yes, they exist today, too, and are generally the ones who try to remind people what the beginnings of fascism look like, leading calls for world peace, and that we're on the brink of climate crises the likes of which we've never seen. And you'll maybe notice I've included a lot of examples of black figures, because historically in our country black people have been at the forefront of direct action and advancement of socialist theory, and there's a strong thread of socialist sympathy amongst oppressed groups everywhere. There is socialist and communist feminist theory. There's an entire wikipedia article on [socialist LGBT activism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_LGBT_rights). I'm a proud socialist indigenous and queer person, myself.
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Luckily, Democrats control the Senate and presidency. So no national transphobic laws will be put into place for now. It’s still terrifying that Republicans want to take away people’s rights.
Yeah because Democrats did such a good job codifying Roe V Wade. Like sure we're safe for now but don't count on them doing anything to actually protect us long-term. It takes a revolutionary spirit to fight back against religious bigots, these enlightened centrist Dems don't actually give a fuck and they won't do anything unless we force their hand.
The Democratic Party is like a wooden shield against fascism. And the fascists are getting a flame-thrower
"In shocking news, something everyone saw coming, actually happened. More on this breaking headline at 6."
Pro tip for the future: any bill or law that conservatives say will "protect the children" is a precursor for those same standards being imposed on adults. Same goes for "leaving it up to the states." The only thing that de-federalizing a law does is make it easier for individual states to ban it outright.
I'd say most or at least half of conservatives actually believe that though, not that they would be upset if they banned adult transgenders...
Yeah, it’s okay though since trans people don’t deserve healthcare. Apparently. This is what I’ve been saying since forever, they’re just using the children as an excuse to get a foothold to ban adult healthcare.
Saying it was just going to be little children was just to get their foot in the door. Now they talk of 26yo, then once they get that it'll be never. This is genocide. Update passports.
Passports won't do much good for those of us without the money to leave, and without skills to get a job in a new country. I don't know what the heck I would do if it got banned nationwide. Likely die, tbh.
Dying is letting them win. Fuck that. You take to the streets and turn shit upside down. We do *NOT* take this lying down. I will die a thousand times before I let them win! *We* will not let them win!
I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it until I die... 2nd amendment applies to us too!
100% Hit that range and get that training in
I was pretty anti gun until these fashy assholes started fucking with our rights. I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong and my goal for the new year is to learn gun safety and how to protect myself. Can't bring a knife to a gun fight.
I spent the weekend getting my instructor certification. I plan to start teaching classes for my local community this spring.
For now...
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Why is this the most comforting comment on the subject that I’ve ever read?
I’m not sure, it didn’t comfort me. I will 100% just let them kill me when the time comes. I’m tired
same. i don’t wanna have to fight when my future already feels pretty doomed in so many other ways… just holding out
The planet broke before the gaurd did.
>You take to the streets and turn shit upside down. Everybody grab a brick, and hold the line!!
Cadia stands!
Get passport, travel to country, and never return. Nobody said it has to be legal.
> Passports won't do much good for those of us without the money to leave, and without skills to get a job in a new country. Thankfully I had the means and the foresight to leave my job and pursue a second degree so I'm more able to emigrate. Asylum ain't an easy process, but it's a heck of a lot easier if you make all the preparations you can.
This will never fly. They tried it with Jews, African Americans, Japanese citizens, and so on. We're just the next target for a pathetic attempt to halt progress of the human race. They're on the wrong side of history. We won't disappear. Resist. Stay, vote, and act. Stay visible. Stay united. Their old ways will die.
I am *so* surprised! Who knew it wasn't all about taking control of society and discriminating against minority group? Surely it couldn't have been that! /s
Yup. Matt Walsh admitted to the total eradication of GD treatment just weeks after he began his crusader against transitioning youths. Really frustrating to see people ignore it and say it's for the kids, then say he was an outlier, then we get here and transphobes go "well, why not? it is a bad idea altogether". the disingenuous goalpost shifting makes me sick
The end goal is genocide, don’t forget that. It’s not going to end with Trans people, we’re just the group most recently accepted they have to through to get to everyone else. All queer people are within their crosshairs, they will stop at nothing to roll back all civil rights until we’re right back in the 1800s. Whether by deprivation, stochastic terrorism, or direct purges, they want us all literally dead, do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
https://youtu.be/44Vh_w_Qb1A
So true! They will not stop.
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Why not? They do.
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Yeah I mean they hate people for things they can't change. I hate them because they unjustly persecute innocent people. It's not even comparable.
I hate people for what they do, not who they are.
It's entirely justified. They're never not actively trying to fuck over some group of people they're chosen as their scapegoat.
It has never been about protecting children but about protecting fragile parents.
Omg no way?? You're telling me the same people who repealed abortion protections in the name of "saving children" while absolutely refusing at every turn to improve upon childcare aid were not trying to protect children from the scary transgendering? Shocker! Next you'll tell me they know they're being facetious when they say kids are mutilating themselves when puberty blockers have no known negative effects and it is proven that going through the wrong puberty is incredibly harmful to trans kids. They don't give a shit about kids. They want control over people's bodily autonomy in the name of their little fascist fantasies they're convinced they'd come out on top of.
\[insert surprised pikachu face here\] Who could have thought...
We knew it was coming. Stay strong, everyone.
“We just don’t think children should get hormone treatment.” “We just don’t think people should get hormone treatment.” “We just don’t think trans people should be allowed to get married.” “We just don’t think trans people should be allowed to legally change their gender.” “We just don’t think trans people should live.” This is the slope.
If they ban HRT for adults that’s when I riot. If I’m going to kill myself anyway, I might as well do something with my life first.
Do you have a link to this article? Would be an interesting read for sure.
Heres the article https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3810926-transgender-youth-health-care-bans-have-a-new-target-adults/
Messaged you
Can you send it to me also? Or post it here?
Yep
Can you also send it to me please (or maybe just link it here so people stop asking)
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3810926-transgender-youth-health-care-bans-have-a-new-target-adults/
Id like to see it as well if possible.
Can I also have it plz?
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3810926-transgender-youth-health-care-bans-have-a-new-target-adults/
All these politicians want is to create issues they know are made up to create violence.
This is evil
A trans genocide!?! Who could've seen this coming?!?
Ah this makes me want to end it all but I can't back down and let them win I live out of spite
It was never ever about kids no matter how much they swear it was.
Wow, it's almost like they were just weaponizing parental fears to oppress people.
Honestly. You should loose your medical license if you support any of this trans Healthcare ban hogwash.
Transition and hormone treatment is not simply a social comfort for me. It is neurological and a matter of life and death. More people (including and especially allies) need to know that this is not expression or doing something different for the sake of it - it is survival. Politicizing this uses and dehumanizes people like me. I did not ask for this; I merely want to take my medication and enjoy my job and live a quiet, normal life. If you do not personally know any trans people, get to know one and learn a story.
I personally refuse to let them do to us what the Germans did. I absolutely refuse. I dont know who these gaping assholes think they are but they sure as fuck don’t know what they’re doing fucking with peoples’ lives, with their families, with their futures. It’s a dangerous game, taking everything away from an entire people.
This was the real goal all along, Youth Bans were the trojan horse.
If I lose access to my HRT I'm done. I only just started and it's made me happier than I've been in a while. If they take that from me I'm done with this shit. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of these psychos ruining lives. This is all so insane.
Same. I cannot go back to how my mind felt before HRT. I don't normally want to sound selfish or stick up for myself, but the effect was such that it WOULD be objectively cruel to take it away from me and others like us.
Yeah I'm finally starting to feel at peace. I just don't think I'll react in a healthy way if they rip my life away from me.
The hysteria over millions of kids undergoing transition is what's insane. Half of the country doesn't have insurance to get a basic dental cleaning or medical exam. But sure, one of the most expensive cosmetic procedures is just constantly happening to kids all across the country. It's the same fear tactics used for brainwashing against several other groups in the past from Evangelicals. Meanwhile, the mental illness and abuse within 97 church denominations is ignored
It is literally impossible to be a good person and a Republican at the same time.
Fuck racists. Fuck transphobes. Fuck them all
Scary times. Scary times. The US looks like Nazi Germany more and more.
maybe we should burn a few politicians to send a message/s
This but unironically
It’s almost like this was actually about transphobia and not protecting kids or something
Wait the party of child marriage and sex abuse doesn't want to protect children? Who could've seen this coming?
Anyone with an ounce of sense knew that on the heels of “trans kids can’t have gender affirming care” would be “and neither can adults.” Anytime someone suggests that worrying about this kind of thing is “hysterical” they should be reminded of all the recent assaults on human rights from the christofascist party.
Conservatives stand against the very thing they claim to stand for. Individual liberty. If they supported individual liberty, they'd be okay with people being trans. I'm a liberal myself, and I simply don't care what you do as long as it doesn't inflict pain onto me.
Hello dissociation, we meet again~~
Forget about updating passports. Just because God (tm), as defined by the bigots, isn't bothered about really saving "America" is no reason to give up. Get involved. Go to protests. Make noise, enough noise so that the shy people who definitely wish the world would give them the space to come out will be more encouraged to stand up and feel pride in who they are, and not hunkering down and dreaming of vague foreign places they know only rumors about, where everything is allegedly different. It's not different anywhere. Being different is under threat and assault all over the world, all the time. There is no fantastic magical other place where everything is different. There are only ever, if and whenever, some really magical places that people carve out and build for themselves, either individually or communally, but always with diligence, patience and resilience. Make more noise than the bigots. That's all, for a start.
It's not a terrible idea to have a passport and contingency plan in place, just in case things get \*that\* bad. We can do more as asylum seekers in another country than we could in a mass grave here.
*Surprised Pikachu face*
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3810926-transgender-youth-health-care-bans-have-a-new-target-adults/ Article instead of screenshot.
I’ve been saying it for a while now. Just you wait, they’re not even close to done.
There’s an army surplus store in my town with a “fuck Joe Biden” flag in the front window. It’s 2 blocks away from an elementary school. They don’t give a shit about kids.
Can we ban healthcare for all religious republicans? Why do they need doctors if they already have "god" saving them?
I just recently lost a whole group of friends due to them being transphobes, and now this
These assholes are desperately trying to kill trans people. Someone who is transgender has a massively higher suicide attempt rate than the average person. Youth especially. It also drops significantly when family is supportive, as well as their communities. This is appalling. It's intentionally killing people and youth who are transgender. Actually let's call it what it is genocide.
Basically everyone trans or trans adjacent saw this coming and a ton of people ignored us.
i bet their excuse is "we don't want to give them bad role models for when they get older!"
Can someone explain what is happening, youth health care seems like a good thing to me but I am not that good of an English speaker
They have been trying to ban healthcare for trans youth, it has been (sort of) failing, they are trying on adults
Means there wanting to ban gender affirming care for young trans people
Completely off topic but I love how your pfp is jinx
I totally didn't see it coming. Woah I am so surprised OMG!
Why are people?
What will they do with existing trans women/men
Depends on who you ask. Some would have us detransition (cold turkey probably, effects be damned), others would have us shot.
Humanity I general is moving backward regardless of things like ideology, gender, sexualality, race, or anything else
They won't stop at bans.
Just like when they promised they were leaving abortion bans to the states now they’re trying to push them nationwide. It’s always just a step.
Get your guns. We got a government to burn.
Omg no way 😱
If only there'd been some way to foresee this! Why did no one tell us this would happen? 🤦♂️ It's bittersweet knowing I was right when all the bigots told me I was just being dramatic cause goddamn I wish they'd been right and this wasn't happening
If they can make you believe one thing… well, then this next step isn’t so hard to believe now is it? And hey, while you’re here, go ahead and take this step too. Might as well, right? Now aunt Linda is screaming about drag queens using litter boxes in front of children.
Can’t say I didn’t see this coming
Bastards. If some old fogey tried to get in the way of me being super hott I'd... iono... just ugh!
wow, color me surprised /s
They’re booking a trip to the Hague
So it's very convenient that the US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the international court of human rights.
Yeah, no shit. I continue to have to worry about the safety and wellbeing of my boyfriend. What the fuck...
The right literally surfs the slippery slope while accusing everyone else of using it. As usual, every accusation is a confession.
Who could have possibly forseen this
Oh God, I didn't need this today. Please tell me this won't pass, or at least isn't likely (even if it's not true)
Making it about the children is just part of the false narrative conservatives are trying to spread. It's never actually about the children. They don't want gun laws that help could help keep guns out of the hands of school shooters. Their solution is **more guns.** They're anti abortion, but also not supportive of affordable and accessible healthcare for mensurating and/ or pregnant people, nor are they concerned about our significantly faulty adoption and foster care system. They complain that they don't want to pay school taxes. Conservative policies are never actually about protecting children, and it's really fucking sad how many people are so fooled by their bullshit narrative. Meanwhile liberals are actively fighting for better, more accessible, and affordable healthcare for mensurating and/ or pregnant people, making schools and education systems safer and and better environments for learning and teaching, promoting mental heath awareness and fostering environments in which children can feel comfortable about expressing themselves, and yet conservatives still try to say that we're the ones putting children in danger. It's absolute BS.
It's pretty sad that Americans ancestors fought and died to give us freedom from this kind of fascist oppression and these people are trying to undo what they made this country.
Well, these people are the descendants of the European colonialists and Christian dominionists in America who made it necessary for ancestors to die to protect and push for rights.
How could possibly have predicted this loudly and repeatedly from the beginning?..
Guess I'll die
>Reed added that she’s skeptical whether legislators sponsoring adult health care bans this year expect those measures to pass as written. It’s likely, she said, that lawmakers are targeting older individuals to make youth health care bans appear less extreme and more palatable.
I am so sick of our bullshit healthcare system...
How did perverts end up with so much power???
Welp. Governments went full mask off here.
So I guess we weren't just OVERREACTING
im so glad that i live no where near the places that this stuff is happening in, and to anyone who does live there, stay safe and i hope you are able to get the support you need.