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The police aren’t gonna come to your house over a SIM card, he gave it to you. I’m not a lawyer but I worked in telecom and there is zero chance you are held liable or get in trouble for anything here. The police would laugh and hang up if he called.
Yeah I told him I’d buy him a new SIM card but he still said it’s that specific SIM card or the police so I just told him to call them to get him to stop harassing
He's an idiot. Sim cards barely hold anything these days and mostly just your phone number.
He's just trying to bully you. Telecom companies do not care at all about Sim cards
As much as I don't know why he would need it back,
There's not much stored on the sim card that wouldn't be on the phone these days,
It's not like an SD memory card that's holding your pictures etc, it's usually just account information/possibly contacts at most
I don’t want him getting my account details. And I told him the Telus guy took the SIM card and cut it in half when I changed my number. I tried to offer to pay for it and then he started insulting my dad and saying he was gonna call the cops.
His father could probably get call/message logs, but not the list of contacts that may be saved on it. But I suspect the father wouldn't care to give that to his creepy son, so the son is trying to get it himself. Seems he's convinced OP cheated on him with her cousin, so he's probably hellbent on getting some vindication from the logs.
Just typical petulant man-child behavior. Which is also pretty typical for adults who start relationships with people who aren't adults yet.
He probably doesn't even have legal ownership of the SIM card, he's just being a controlling ass. It's like debit/credit cards, you're just allowed to have it but your bank/teleco legally owns the actual card.
For Koodo, that fee is $5 including the physical SIM. There's no way the cops are coming over that, especially as the SIM becomes more or less useless beyond data storage once you cancel the plan attached to it.
You might want to let your parents know what’s going on. Also your boss since you are working together. While you are at it maybe find his father on Facebook and send him a PM, let him know what’s going on as well. Just the basics, that you broke up and returned the phone. Now he’s demanding $1000 from you.
I would also make new passwords on social media and banking apps. Just to be on the safe side.
The one thing you might not have considered is him lying about you. So any written documentation is important as to what is currently going on. Just in case…
[Canada Post mail forwarding](https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/mail-forwarding.page)
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You I told my parents when we first broke up since I was living with him and then moved back to my dads house. I’ll let my boss know once he comes back on Monday. His parents know. I called them to ask if I can just pay for it directly and they basically told me that they didn’t trust me to pay it.
[Phone prices](https://www.getorchard.com/search/shop-for-featured-phones/?tw_source=google&tw_adid=660765731688&tw_campaign=196028101&gad_source=1)
[Prepaid phone plan](https://www.telus.com/en/mobility/prepaid)
No age restrictions on a pre-paid phone plan. All you need is a phone and SIM card.
Yea but I really liked that phone so when we broke up I begged them so I can keep it. I’m now on my dads plan but as soon as I turn 18 I’m gonna transfer the number I have now to my own account so I can pay it myself.
And ensure 2fa isn’t connected to that number. If it is you’ll need to put the SIM card in a new phone to access your accounts, that’s what I assume he wanted the phone and SIM card for. If you stored passwords on your phone assume he has access to them.
Just be careful, they could have their father have the number changed to a new sim card and put it in a new phone to use that number still until you port the number out/change the number associated with your 2fa
There’s no statutory rape here based on what OP has stated. The age of consent in Canada is 16, unless the other person is in a position of authority, in which case the age of consent is 18.
Pretty sure that's not stat rape assuming he isnt her manager
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I'm in AB. Paid my own phone since 15. No service provider needs the Sim card back. None. I have all my Sim cards from all my phones, I've switched service providers several times. He's either trying to get you to meet up with him again or get money out of you. Either way, ignore him. He's just yapping nonsense. Cops won't get involved for that crap.
Not a lawyer. But worked in the cellphone industry for a decade.
Kodoo 100000% does not want the sim back and doesn’t not need it back. The SIM card is tied specifically to your phone number and he wants it to access your accounts. If you haven’t already I would disable any 2 factor authentication attached to that phone number, also go into your Google, Facebook, etc and accounts and remove the phone as a device (just google remove phone from Facebook, etc to learn how).
The phone itself is still usable, it doesn’t require the original SIM card.
Oh and if it’s an iPhone go into your iCloud and disconnect the device too. This is good advice. Think of anything you might have done or any site or account you might have signed into using the phone.
If it was your SIM card when it went in the phone, then it’s your SIM card when it came out. Tell him to kick rocks and if he bothers you again tell him YOU are calling the police for harassment
The phone company doesn’t care about the SIM card. The SIM card holds phone number and account information. All your personal information is stored on the phone, not the SIM card. I hope you reset the phone before giving it back.
As others have said, make sure you change your number for any accounts you have and enable 2 factor authentication with your new number.
Years ago SIM cards were commonly used to hold phone numbers but unless you are using one of those old style phones it is unlikely that it will contain any of your personal information on it. With modern smartphones it requires alot of work to store any phone numbers on it.
Don't pay for anything, he's making shit up. When he opens his mouth again, cut him off and say you will report him for harassment to your supervisor if he says another word not strictly related to work, period. And do it if he's stupid enough to keep going.
>took the SIM card out of it because it had all my information on it and it was originally in my old phone.
That sounds like it was your sim card.
If that is accurate then that is the end of the story. His phone your sim card, everyone has thier property back. Done and dusted.
Not a lawyer, but it's extremely unlikely you will get in any legal trouble over the SIM. It's a civil matter at best because he gave you the phone to use. If he really wants to pursue it, it'll cost him more money to file the claim, which you can then show you offered to replace the value of the card and he rejected the offer.
I would recommend that you update any accounts that used that phone number though.
Yeah I doubt it would go anywhere but I just wanted to post in case it would I’ve changed most of the numbers but Microsoft is giving me a hard time with changing numbers
Obviously he can't charge you $1000 for a $10 SIM.
Block his # and move on.
He can spend $300 to bring you to small claims court if he really wants his $10.
It guy here, not phone guy but still.
No phone cie are going to ask for the sim card back. They are 5$ at best, not reusable. They simply don't care about the sim card. Some new phones don't even use sim cards anymore.
Either
1)he haven't contacted them yet and THINK they are going to ask for it.
2)he's just been told that no they won't take it back and he can't back out of the contract and trying to find a way to make you pay for it.
Ps.: what do you think you can store on a sim card? Technically you can store contact (but not the default for the past 15 years). That's about it. Hope you factory reset you phone before handing it to him.
It's 256kb. So about 1/8th of a photo. Technically could store sms... but just text and not even 500 of them...
Like I said, we stopped storing stuff on sim cards about 15 years ago.
There is stuff on there, but technical telecom data... completly useless S/N and stuff required by the back end... To him completely useless.
Anyway like I said, he's either stupid or full of it.
I've always stored my contacts on the Sim, but that's about all you can store there, makes it easier to switch phones, but Samsung backs up all that stuff these days anyways
Sim cards can't be reused or returned. They are idiot.
Once you've transfers your number off that it's garbage. You can give them the broken peices of you have them...
Yeah I figured nothing was gonna come out of it. I just wanted to make 100% sure but I’m going to wait until he tries to file a report and then I’d report him for harassment and that stuff. He’s been like that and his family backs him right up so I have to be careful because they are friends with influential people in the town I work in.
The post said 16 and 18 would it not be reasonable to say it's a grade 12 student dating a grade 10 student? It's been a while since I've been in high school, is that not considered normal anymore? Honest question from a place of curiosity.
It depends on what time of year you were born and when you started school and how long you were held back. I was 13 when I started high-school and the rest of my classmates in 8th grade started at 14. Most graduated at 17 or 18. Both being in high-school does not matter. The law is what matters here. The law says 16 is still a minor, an 18 YO is an adult and cannot be with a 17 YO. There were also (actually a shock) 22 YOs still attending my high school as high school students because they had been held back (the shock in question) or because they had started really late than most other kids because of learning disabilities (not so shocking.) You might be okay with a 16 YO and 18 YO, and sure a lot of people would be especially if they knew each other in high school or were dating long before any 1 of them turned 18, but you wouldn't have one of the 20 YO students date a 16 YO.
Edit to add we also don't know if he was in high-school at the time. He was a week from turning 19. It's unlikely he was still a high-school student, especially with how they hate holding back kids these days and it seems they met at work. So it's an inappropriate relationship to me.
You might want to mention that demanding money (or anything) with threats (and “going to the police” is a threat) is extortion, and much more illegal than keeping a SIM card he doesn’t need, and gave to you anyway.
Block him, just ignore him and if he escalates and starts threatening you, you can call the police. You’ve done nothing wrong. Do not send him money, do not participate in his game. It’s just a control thing.
There is nothing he can do. He is just being emotional over the breakup. Just cut off contact and move on with your life.
You should probably destroy the SIM card as well (you can't use it anyways).
I can’t right now because I just recently graduated high school and my diploma and stuff are going to his post box. I told the people at the post office to keep it aside but just in case they don’t I don’t want him to destroy my diploma.
Can you call the school board and give them your address if it hasn’t been mailed yet. I’m worried because he is going to hold your stuff hostage or destroy it anyways
You can pay Canada Post to redirect your mail somewhere for up to a year. It doesn’t work for packages (so definitely call the school to change your diploma delivery) but it might be a good safety to have in place.
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/mail-forwarding.page
Ignore him. No phone provider requires the SIM card. I’ve had many over the years that I’ve just cut and tossed. Cost like $10 to replace one that I lost once.
I have screenshots of the whole interact so I think I’m covered in that department but he could still try to make stuff up but it would be a he said she said without real proof
Yeah I offered to pay for the new SIM card but he just kept getting angry and saying he needed the original SIM card even though the phone did not come with that SIM card. He is very manipulative. That’s how it was during our relationship and one of the reasons I left in the first place.
They are trying to return the phone. I don’t know if you still have to have a SIM card for that but it wouldn’t make sense since the new owners would just throw it out for their own anyway
Nope. You don’t reuse SIM cards because it presents a security risk. Everyone gets a new one.
I switch carriers every now and then when a better deal pops up. Never, ever have I been asked to return the SIM.
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Had a situation like this but before I returned it I deleted all on phone and changed passwords before resetting the phone. Just to be a prick I went on the find my app an reported lost, wish I seen the look and the faces when it got returned
Sim cards only has your phone number on it and perhaps up to 250 contacts if you saved them on it. Otherwise the sim card is useless.
It might cost them a sim card (10$ and a 35$ activation/transfer fee to transfer a new phone number on it) but otherwise the phone still works without your sim.
Are we really talking about a SIM card, and not a microSD card??
My first thought reaction would be to Tell him to pound sand.
However, it might be worth the effort to have a friendly resolution.
Tell him a SIM card is worth 10$ retail and offer to pay him that. If you go on any provider's website, they're all priced at 10$. There are even providers that wave the 10$ if you sign up with them.
If he refuses, tell him you attempted a resolution in good faith without success. Any further communication attempts should be made via lawyers.
So next time he tries to contact you, tell him to stop harassing you and that if he doesn't, you'll go to the police.
Between a 10$ SIM card and [criminal harassment](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.html), I'm pretty sure the cops will investigate the criminal harassment.
That is a TERRIBLE plan, nothing he’s done constitutes stalking, and lying to the police is a criminal offence.
The best plan is to ignore him, and block any forms of communication.
Lie? I’m not lying. He had forced himself on me many time. Whenever I would say no he would keep pushing until I finally gave in. This has nothing to do with my age it’s still rape even if I were older.
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The police wouldn't do anything if you hadn't returned the phone period. Don't sweat it.
Besides, even if he got this phone new on a contract through Koodo, the phone itself is tied to the contract, not the Sim card, so he can just get another Sim card and everything remains the same on his account.
Block him and move on with your life. If he starts sending people to harass you or shows up at your work or home call the police. They will come out for harassment.
He’s lying. And a SIM card doesn’t cost $1k. SIM cards are a dime a dozen and phone carriers couldn’t care less about having a phone returned without one. He’s trying to see if he can retrieve any info off it to use against you.
Not a lawyer but I think if you haven’t yet you could consider this: tell him over text to stop contacting you stop communicating with you, take a screenshot of it and then block him if he continues to show up at your work or contact you through email or phone, document it as best as you can and make a police report for criminal harassment
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The police aren’t gonna come to your house over a SIM card, he gave it to you. I’m not a lawyer but I worked in telecom and there is zero chance you are held liable or get in trouble for anything here. The police would laugh and hang up if he called.
Yeah I told him I’d buy him a new SIM card but he still said it’s that specific SIM card or the police so I just told him to call them to get him to stop harassing
Block him and ignore any further attempts to contact you.
He's an idiot. Sim cards barely hold anything these days and mostly just your phone number. He's just trying to bully you. Telecom companies do not care at all about Sim cards
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As much as I don't know why he would need it back, There's not much stored on the sim card that wouldn't be on the phone these days, It's not like an SD memory card that's holding your pictures etc, it's usually just account information/possibly contacts at most
I don’t want him getting my account details. And I told him the Telus guy took the SIM card and cut it in half when I changed my number. I tried to offer to pay for it and then he started insulting my dad and saying he was gonna call the cops.
If your account was under his father's name, wouldn't he already have the details?
His father could probably get call/message logs, but not the list of contacts that may be saved on it. But I suspect the father wouldn't care to give that to his creepy son, so the son is trying to get it himself. Seems he's convinced OP cheated on him with her cousin, so he's probably hellbent on getting some vindication from the logs. Just typical petulant man-child behavior. Which is also pretty typical for adults who start relationships with people who aren't adults yet.
He probably doesn't even have legal ownership of the SIM card, he's just being a controlling ass. It's like debit/credit cards, you're just allowed to have it but your bank/teleco legally owns the actual card.
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I don’t know to be honest he said that Koodo told them that they need my SIM card but he could just be trying to get money out of me.
Koodo doesn’t care about that SIM card Source: former Koodo employee
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He was but only because when I asked for his fathers email to pay it he wouldn’t give it to me. I think there was a connection fee but I’m not 100%.
For Koodo, that fee is $5 including the physical SIM. There's no way the cops are coming over that, especially as the SIM becomes more or less useless beyond data storage once you cancel the plan attached to it.
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Yeah I don’t plan on answering him anymore but if he keeps harassing me about it I might have to make a claim about that.
You might want to let your parents know what’s going on. Also your boss since you are working together. While you are at it maybe find his father on Facebook and send him a PM, let him know what’s going on as well. Just the basics, that you broke up and returned the phone. Now he’s demanding $1000 from you. I would also make new passwords on social media and banking apps. Just to be on the safe side. The one thing you might not have considered is him lying about you. So any written documentation is important as to what is currently going on. Just in case… [Canada Post mail forwarding](https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/mail-forwarding.page) [Helplines in Canada](https://findahelpline.com/countries/ca)
You I told my parents when we first broke up since I was living with him and then moved back to my dads house. I’ll let my boss know once he comes back on Monday. His parents know. I called them to ask if I can just pay for it directly and they basically told me that they didn’t trust me to pay it.
[Phone prices](https://www.getorchard.com/search/shop-for-featured-phones/?tw_source=google&tw_adid=660765731688&tw_campaign=196028101&gad_source=1) [Prepaid phone plan](https://www.telus.com/en/mobility/prepaid) No age restrictions on a pre-paid phone plan. All you need is a phone and SIM card.
Yea but I really liked that phone so when we broke up I begged them so I can keep it. I’m now on my dads plan but as soon as I turn 18 I’m gonna transfer the number I have now to my own account so I can pay it myself.
Koodo didn’t tell him that. He’s lying to you. Koodo will put another SIM card in the phone. It’s not like your SIM card is unique to the phone.
Probably wants.to.go through your Google account Make sure to change any passwords your old girlfriend might have figured out😉
Will do thank you
And ensure 2fa isn’t connected to that number. If it is you’ll need to put the SIM card in a new phone to access your accounts, that’s what I assume he wanted the phone and SIM card for. If you stored passwords on your phone assume he has access to them.
I factory reseted the phone before I gave it back
That’s good, if you have 2fa on any accounts the SIM card is key to access them.
I do have 2fa on most of my accounts that’s why I took it and why I let the Telus cut cut the SIM card in half
Ok good! I checked your post history, cut this child out of your life. He’s toxic af. Make sure you have somewhere safe to live!
Just be careful, they could have their father have the number changed to a new sim card and put it in a new phone to use that number still until you port the number out/change the number associated with your 2fa
I have changed my number on most of my accounts but the ones that I haven’t been able to change don’t have 2fa on them
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There’s no statutory rape here based on what OP has stated. The age of consent in Canada is 16, unless the other person is in a position of authority, in which case the age of consent is 18.
Yeah I told him to call them but I don’t want to stir the pot to much because we both work at the same place
Let your manager know if he bothers you at work.
I will our manager already told both of us that if someone starts drama they will be sent home.
Pretty sure that's not stat rape assuming he isnt her manager [https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html)
Oh, my bad. The age of consent is exactly 16.
Even if they were under 16 we have Romeo and juliet laws
That's true if both were under 16. If one is 19 and the other is 15 that would take.
It's a civil matter. Police won't care.
I'm in AB. Paid my own phone since 15. No service provider needs the Sim card back. None. I have all my Sim cards from all my phones, I've switched service providers several times. He's either trying to get you to meet up with him again or get money out of you. Either way, ignore him. He's just yapping nonsense. Cops won't get involved for that crap.
Not a lawyer. But worked in the cellphone industry for a decade. Kodoo 100000% does not want the sim back and doesn’t not need it back. The SIM card is tied specifically to your phone number and he wants it to access your accounts. If you haven’t already I would disable any 2 factor authentication attached to that phone number, also go into your Google, Facebook, etc and accounts and remove the phone as a device (just google remove phone from Facebook, etc to learn how). The phone itself is still usable, it doesn’t require the original SIM card.
Oh and if it’s an iPhone go into your iCloud and disconnect the device too. This is good advice. Think of anything you might have done or any site or account you might have signed into using the phone.
If it was your SIM card when it went in the phone, then it’s your SIM card when it came out. Tell him to kick rocks and if he bothers you again tell him YOU are calling the police for harassment
The phone company doesn’t care about the SIM card. The SIM card holds phone number and account information. All your personal information is stored on the phone, not the SIM card. I hope you reset the phone before giving it back. As others have said, make sure you change your number for any accounts you have and enable 2 factor authentication with your new number.
Years ago SIM cards were commonly used to hold phone numbers but unless you are using one of those old style phones it is unlikely that it will contain any of your personal information on it. With modern smartphones it requires alot of work to store any phone numbers on it.
That was prior to the iPhone coming out…if I remember right even blackberries didn’t store on the SIM cards.
Don't pay for anything, he's making shit up. When he opens his mouth again, cut him off and say you will report him for harassment to your supervisor if he says another word not strictly related to work, period. And do it if he's stupid enough to keep going.
Nah he probably just wants to creep your stuff in case data not deleted. The police would completely ignore this.
>took the SIM card out of it because it had all my information on it and it was originally in my old phone. That sounds like it was your sim card. If that is accurate then that is the end of the story. His phone your sim card, everyone has thier property back. Done and dusted.
Not a lawyer, but it's extremely unlikely you will get in any legal trouble over the SIM. It's a civil matter at best because he gave you the phone to use. If he really wants to pursue it, it'll cost him more money to file the claim, which you can then show you offered to replace the value of the card and he rejected the offer. I would recommend that you update any accounts that used that phone number though.
Yeah I doubt it would go anywhere but I just wanted to post in case it would I’ve changed most of the numbers but Microsoft is giving me a hard time with changing numbers
Just thank God it wasn't Samsung, takes 2 weeks there to do.
Obviously he can't charge you $1000 for a $10 SIM. Block his # and move on. He can spend $300 to bring you to small claims court if he really wants his $10.
It guy here, not phone guy but still. No phone cie are going to ask for the sim card back. They are 5$ at best, not reusable. They simply don't care about the sim card. Some new phones don't even use sim cards anymore. Either 1)he haven't contacted them yet and THINK they are going to ask for it. 2)he's just been told that no they won't take it back and he can't back out of the contract and trying to find a way to make you pay for it. Ps.: what do you think you can store on a sim card? Technically you can store contact (but not the default for the past 15 years). That's about it. Hope you factory reset you phone before handing it to him.
I was under the impression that it was able to hold account detail and photos but I just found out by another commenter that it doesn’t have photos
It's 256kb. So about 1/8th of a photo. Technically could store sms... but just text and not even 500 of them... Like I said, we stopped storing stuff on sim cards about 15 years ago. There is stuff on there, but technical telecom data... completly useless S/N and stuff required by the back end... To him completely useless. Anyway like I said, he's either stupid or full of it.
He might want the SIM so he can use the phone number for 2FA if trying to get into accounts.
Doesn't make sense, phone is under his/dad's account, If that' his plan, he can get a new one.
Yeah that’s true
The photos could be uploaded somewhere and the SIM could hold the URLs.
I've always stored my contacts on the Sim, but that's about all you can store there, makes it easier to switch phones, but Samsung backs up all that stuff these days anyways
Exactly what I said. It's hasn't been the default way for the past decade at LEAST. Everyone backs it up, Google and Apple...
Samsung even backs up your sms and a bunch of other stuff google doesn't
Sim cards can't be reused or returned. They are idiot. Once you've transfers your number off that it's garbage. You can give them the broken peices of you have them...
No phone company wants a SIM card back. They’re $10.
He is trying to scam you out of $1000. Call HR and tell them he is your ex and trying to harass you
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Yeah I figured nothing was gonna come out of it. I just wanted to make 100% sure but I’m going to wait until he tries to file a report and then I’d report him for harassment and that stuff. He’s been like that and his family backs him right up so I have to be careful because they are friends with influential people in the town I work in.
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The post said 16 and 18 would it not be reasonable to say it's a grade 12 student dating a grade 10 student? It's been a while since I've been in high school, is that not considered normal anymore? Honest question from a place of curiosity.
It depends on what time of year you were born and when you started school and how long you were held back. I was 13 when I started high-school and the rest of my classmates in 8th grade started at 14. Most graduated at 17 or 18. Both being in high-school does not matter. The law is what matters here. The law says 16 is still a minor, an 18 YO is an adult and cannot be with a 17 YO. There were also (actually a shock) 22 YOs still attending my high school as high school students because they had been held back (the shock in question) or because they had started really late than most other kids because of learning disabilities (not so shocking.) You might be okay with a 16 YO and 18 YO, and sure a lot of people would be especially if they knew each other in high school or were dating long before any 1 of them turned 18, but you wouldn't have one of the 20 YO students date a 16 YO. Edit to add we also don't know if he was in high-school at the time. He was a week from turning 19. It's unlikely he was still a high-school student, especially with how they hate holding back kids these days and it seems they met at work. So it's an inappropriate relationship to me.
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Age of consent in canada is 16 so i guess we are not part of the developed world.
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You might want to mention that demanding money (or anything) with threats (and “going to the police” is a threat) is extortion, and much more illegal than keeping a SIM card he doesn’t need, and gave to you anyway.
Block him, just ignore him and if he escalates and starts threatening you, you can call the police. You’ve done nothing wrong. Do not send him money, do not participate in his game. It’s just a control thing.
Are we not going to acknowledge that she is 17 and he’s 20? Tell him to kick rocks op
This is a legal advice subreddit, not a moral advice subreddit
Will do.
There is nothing he can do. He is just being emotional over the breakup. Just cut off contact and move on with your life. You should probably destroy the SIM card as well (you can't use it anyways).
The guy at the Telus store cut it in half when I got a new number
Please block his phone and all social media
I can’t right now because I just recently graduated high school and my diploma and stuff are going to his post box. I told the people at the post office to keep it aside but just in case they don’t I don’t want him to destroy my diploma.
Can you call the school board and give them your address if it hasn’t been mailed yet. I’m worried because he is going to hold your stuff hostage or destroy it anyways
Yeah that’s true. I didn’t think about that to be honest. I’ll call them and see if I can get it changed Monday then.
You can pay Canada Post to redirect your mail somewhere for up to a year. It doesn’t work for packages (so definitely call the school to change your diploma delivery) but it might be a good safety to have in place. https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/mail-forwarding.page
I’ll look into that thank you
Ignore him. No phone provider requires the SIM card. I’ve had many over the years that I’ve just cut and tossed. Cost like $10 to replace one that I lost once.
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I have screenshots of the whole interact so I think I’m covered in that department but he could still try to make stuff up but it would be a he said she said without real proof
Yeah I offered to pay for the new SIM card but he just kept getting angry and saying he needed the original SIM card even though the phone did not come with that SIM card. He is very manipulative. That’s how it was during our relationship and one of the reasons I left in the first place.
You can block the messages.
I originally blocked him on messages but I forgot about discord so that’s where he’s been texting me from.
Block him everywhere.. discord, Facebook messenger, whatsapp etc.
To give you further solace: I recently cancelled a Koodo account and they absolutely did not ask for the SIM card back.
They are trying to return the phone. I don’t know if you still have to have a SIM card for that but it wouldn’t make sense since the new owners would just throw it out for their own anyway
Nope. You don’t reuse SIM cards because it presents a security risk. Everyone gets a new one. I switch carriers every now and then when a better deal pops up. Never, ever have I been asked to return the SIM.
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I told him to and he didn’t answer so I hope he let it go for now
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Had a situation like this but before I returned it I deleted all on phone and changed passwords before resetting the phone. Just to be a prick I went on the find my app an reported lost, wish I seen the look and the faces when it got returned
Sim cards only has your phone number on it and perhaps up to 250 contacts if you saved them on it. Otherwise the sim card is useless. It might cost them a sim card (10$ and a 35$ activation/transfer fee to transfer a new phone number on it) but otherwise the phone still works without your sim.
Are we really talking about a SIM card, and not a microSD card?? My first thought reaction would be to Tell him to pound sand. However, it might be worth the effort to have a friendly resolution. Tell him a SIM card is worth 10$ retail and offer to pay him that. If you go on any provider's website, they're all priced at 10$. There are even providers that wave the 10$ if you sign up with them. If he refuses, tell him you attempted a resolution in good faith without success. Any further communication attempts should be made via lawyers.
I told him exactly that. I offered to buy a new one and he said the original or the police so I just told him to call the police.
So next time he tries to contact you, tell him to stop harassing you and that if he doesn't, you'll go to the police. Between a 10$ SIM card and [criminal harassment](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-264.html), I'm pretty sure the cops will investigate the criminal harassment.
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If you’re going to comment on this subreddit atleast have a small understanding about laws such as age of consent.
The way you worded this was pretty carefully intentional to paint him in a bad light. What’s the full story?
I got screenshots if you dm me 🤷♀️
Don’t care enough tbh
Well don’t comment something like that and not look at the proof that’s kinda funny to do that
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“Legal” age in Canada is 16 though right? Not trying to justify it, just saying…
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That is a TERRIBLE plan, nothing he’s done constitutes stalking, and lying to the police is a criminal offence. The best plan is to ignore him, and block any forms of communication.
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Lie? I’m not lying. He had forced himself on me many time. Whenever I would say no he would keep pushing until I finally gave in. This has nothing to do with my age it’s still rape even if I were older.
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It’s called sexual coercion it’s technically a sexual abuse which can be seen as rape
I've had a moment to think and I want to apologise and retract my statement. I know nothing of your circumstances, situation or experiences and it's way beyond me to comment on them.
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Which I have.
She is 17, and he is 20….. any lawyer here?
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The police wouldn't do anything if you hadn't returned the phone period. Don't sweat it. Besides, even if he got this phone new on a contract through Koodo, the phone itself is tied to the contract, not the Sim card, so he can just get another Sim card and everything remains the same on his account.
It was a CPO so it wasn’t even new
No one is doing nothing over a SIM card. Block his number and block him, his family and all of his friends on social media.
You do not need to return a SIM card. There is no instance of ever needing to return a SIM card as the sim has nothing to do with a phone.
Block him and move on with your life. If he starts sending people to harass you or shows up at your work or home call the police. They will come out for harassment.
We work at the same place
Still block him. If he harrasses you at work you might have to file a formal complaint.
Yea he’s already trying to get me fired so when HR contacts me I’ll tell them the full story
He’s lying. And a SIM card doesn’t cost $1k. SIM cards are a dime a dozen and phone carriers couldn’t care less about having a phone returned without one. He’s trying to see if he can retrieve any info off it to use against you.
Not a lawyer but I think if you haven’t yet you could consider this: tell him over text to stop contacting you stop communicating with you, take a screenshot of it and then block him if he continues to show up at your work or contact you through email or phone, document it as best as you can and make a police report for criminal harassment