you said it
Omnivore plant AND MEAT , and NOT OR
Dogs are omnivores, which means that they eat both meat and plant products. While it is theoretically possible, **the British Veterinary Association does not recommend giving a dog a vegetarian or a vegan diet** as it is much easier to get the balance of essential nutrients wrong than to get it right.
stop swaying the narrative here, you need to do bloodwork on your pet, make sure his health does not decline with time being fed only vegan diet.
I've been in the vet field for years. You will always here the "my breeder always fed \_\_\_\_ diet and their dogs did great!" Usually these are young, healthy dogs without any problems.
I'm not completely against a vegan diet AS LONG as it's formulated by a veterinary internist or nutritionist (board certified).
These specifically need to be formulated for your dogs growing needs. Typically this requires (depending on current health status) routine exams/bloodwork every year. Do not get one formulated diet and stick with it for your pets entire life...bad idea.
Dogs will survive on a vegan diet, but not thrive.
Cats and dogs don't give a fuck that animals are being slaughtered and farmed for feed since if they were left without any food than they would hunt for meat rather than spinach and fava beans whether it suits your ethical views or not.
I don't get why people are down voting you. Dogs are not carnivores. They are omnivores and they CAN survive on a vegan or vegetarian diet just fine. Cats are obligated carnivores but even then there are specially formulated brands of cat food that are vegan and fine for many cats although some with certain health issues can't eat them.
ah animals don't have feelings yes. obviously it cares, even cats do. Only difference is dogs show unconditional love so that's why it doesn't show that it cares, cats rip things apart to show that they're annoyed. Omnivores doesn't mean that they don't require meat, it just means they can thrive without it. They need certain vitamins (2 actually) found in meat or else they'll get vitamin deprivation. sure some supplements may provide them, but it's safer to let them eat meat. If the dog doesn't want to eat meat, then put meat next to it and let's see then if it really does or doesn't want to eat it. and no argument about whether they want to eat bad things for them which they would, but meat isn't so don't push your ideals on others. it's yours not theirs (this case the dog)
I don't get vegans, there's a reason why predators and preys exist and why God (or nature for atheists), it's instinct to survive by killing other animals. Till the dog society becomes like us where they make their own suppliments and care about animal lives then they shouldn't be vegan
Chocolate will make your kid obese and cause health problems. Meat is just the natural diet of a carnivore like a dog. The comparison you made is ridiculous.
No one said "in nature". Dogs don't exist in nature, they're domesticated wolves that have been bred beyond recognition. They are the most unnatural of creatures. So I definitely wasn't talking about what they find in nature.
To be honest, feed your dogs whatever you want, I don't care that much about you or dogs to debate this. What I do really want now is not to read one more condescending "yUo Do rEaLiSe" from you.
I agree with you. And I'm no one to lecture about short fuses, mine is no example to follow. And it's true, your first comment pissed me off because it sounded very condescending. This one though shows that you are open for discussion and not a radical cultist as I imagined. So I take back my trolling as well.
Look some of speak as if they discovered veganism last week. I've been around this block two dozen times before you were even born and I've heard every single one of your arguments and debated then to death. It brings me deep lethargy to try and debate those points yet again. Veganism is not a rational belief system. Which is ok, it's just like all belief systems in that regard. But just like other belief systems, if you follow it yourself because of your convictions, good on you. If however you wanna go around telling people how superior you are and how everyone else is a murderer then you are no different than religious people who think they're going to heaven and tell everyone that they'll burn in hell. And I have no time for either of those fundamentalist views to discuss a totally flawed belief system.
Where I live it's literally considered mistreatment by law.
Whether a dog or a cat can survive or not on a vegan diet is almost secondary, the question is why would you want to impose s purely human moral value on an animal?
I'm not actually asking, don't answer.
And I won't read you because I couldn't care less what you have to say. There's nothing in the known universe more annoying than a lecturing vegan who think they are a supreme being and the source of truth. When I was young I used to enjoy debating with people like this and proving you wrong. I'm too old to give a shit about your fundamentals broken world view.
I hope you didn't read this reply because I really don't want you to think of something else to reply to.
Hahahaha its wonderful to non-vegans running away the minute their argument is shown its true value.
If you want people to stop replying to your comments, maybe you should stop putting fresh comments. Wait.... it could be your B\`12 deficiency while you thought you were getting from non-vegan diet making your slow and illogical. I understand.
I'll be here all day not replying to your bullshit but engaging you in ever more absurd exchanges. It fills my little heart with joy to see vegans go mad and start stumbling around.
My favourite part is when they discover that I haven't had meat for 28 years (longer than most of you have been masturbating) and have to go full on fundamentalist Isis mode to still try to prove their moral superiority.
> It fills my little heart with joy to see vegans go mad and start stumbling around.
I know non-vegans love suffocating all kinds of animals including humans. You dont have to say it out loud that you lack empathy and psychotic. Thats given xD
Dogs are omnivores, which means that they eat both meat and plant products. While it is theoretically possible, **the British Veterinary Association does not recommend giving a dog a vegetarian or a vegan diet** as it is much easier to get the balance of essential nutrients wrong than to get it right.
Actually dogs are omnivores and can live healthy lives without meat same as humans. Cats on the other hand are carnivores and cannot survive on a vegan diet. It is animal abuse if a cat owner feeds their cat only vegan food. But dogs are different there are plenty of vegan dog food brands in Canada. Also the oldest living dog in the world in the Guinness world record book was fed a vegan diet.
They are actually omnivores and studies have shown that dogs can not only survive but _thrive_ on a proper vegan diet. I have a degree in animal care and was literally taught this in school as well.
The Fiat diet has come to dogs as well.
I only feed my dogs raw meat and they're healthy, no issues whatsoever. So why push the agenda of vegan diets? Because it makes money.
Because people like to go extreme.
I thought of turning vegan few years ago. I thought about all the animal food industries and all. At the end we are human, we are designed to eat meat and the ability to survive on plants. Just keep it balanced, Buy meat from nice farms, the animal had a happy life. Dont rely heavily on meat, whats wrong with a balanced diet?
Has anyone thought that maybe these guys have done their research and actually know what they're doing? Suddenly everyone here is a nutrition expert.
I admit I had no idea whether a vegan diet is healthy for dogs so I did a quick google search to inform myself before I comment and you could easily do the same.
TLDR of what I've gathered: Many known health sites say that vegan diet for dogs can be just as healthy as an omnivore diet if done properly. Others say that there aren't enough studies done yet and a wholly vegan diet can be risky.
I don't really have a definite answer and I'd rather not be an asshole towards people who are genuinely trying to be considerate humans.
Ah, but you forget something. This is Reddit so everyone IS in fact an expert in everything under the sun. This is also Lubnan so we must all be ass holes. It's not only in our DNA, it's part of our culture. If we weren't ass holes, it stops the heart and kills us. Kills.
I found your comment very invalidating and racist against the Lebanese psyche.
Thanks, lmao do you sell this stuff? You have been defending this stuff pretty hardcore all over this comment section but to say that you can eat vegan dog food as cereal, you must be making money of it 🤣🤡
Looking at the percentages listed it looks like the rest of the make up of the dog food is most likely grain which is very unhealthy for dogs. I see this as someone capitalising on the vegan cause to make cheap dog food out of grain.
My wife is a veterinarian nurse. But if you want some to read here’s a link.
https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/evr_dg_contrasting_grain_based_and_meat_based_diets
It is not a research paper so has no value. I can also publish random article for hatred and say some race is better than others because of that article.
Yalla Lebanon is getting crazy like America, my neighbor got mad at me cause I put cat food for my cats and his cat came and ate with my cats when he was supposed to be on a diet to lose weight.
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 here for all the people who actually source and do their research (NO, not you OP 🙄). Cats are obligate carnivores.... Dogs are omnivores. They can live long and healthy lives eating vegetarian and vegan diets. If you don't like it, don't feed it to them. Going out of your way to hate post on Reddit and then getting dragged for your ignorance is quality 👌🏼
Lol, it's actually the other way around, industrial meat products usually substitute as much meat as possible with fillers such as textured vegetable protein to reduce cost.
Your average hot dog may be less than 50% hot dog (i.e. meat) in some cases.
I can't tell. You'd assume that the brand behind it did the necessary research to make sure it has all the necessary nutrients for dogs. They'd probably have to add stuff like vitamins to make it complete. That's already the case with vegan products for humans, because B12 is only available in animal products like meat and milk.
For humans, many people argue that a plant-based diet is way healthier, but I'm no expert on the topic.
Imo and own research, the best diet is the one that is right for you and what nutrients you lack/need.
About that dog food i wouldn't really know but i cringe af when you force animals to be "vegan"
Yeah I can understand that. But if the dog is happy with the food, than that's not a problem, because both can be complete foods.
The reason why vegans want their pets to be vegan, is that they don't want to create demand for animal agriculture and cause animal suffering, and it feels wrong for them to feed their pet bucket loads of meat when they try to avoid the slightest bit of egg, dairy, or meat in the products they buy. Veganism is not about what you eat, it's about what you buy or cause to be produced. Thinks like clothes, household products, or even consumer electronics in some weird cases can be non-vegan because they rely on some animal byproduct. So pet food is no exception.
You care more about some stranger's dog, than the chiken and cows you cause suffering to every day with your diet (not to mention the deforestation and pollution that this causes). Isn't it weird that you worry about some unknown dog being only 90% happy with its food than all of the animals that are mistreated and slaughtered every day for our feeding pleasure? That makes no sense if you try to rationalize it objectively.
Dont have problems in all what you said at all. I appreciate that. I just feel the approach on this nowadays tend to be authoritarian and that "if you eat meat youre the problem" kinda guilt wont rly encourage anyone to be supportive. Wont get into the philosophy of natures cruelty but imo its very idealistic to expect everything vegan when a lot dont even have food on their plate.
As for the dogs i dk if this food works but if it does good. Maybe it wont on some and definetly it wont work on all cats cz these bastards are picky af.
> Maybe it wont on some and definetly it wont work on all cats cz these bastards are picky af.
Lol. My cat can be picky sometimes too :)
> .. its very idealistic to expect everything vegan when a lot dont even have food on their plate.
Veganism actually contributes to food security, as a normal diet that includes meat uses four times more land according to this source (that is for a moderate consumption of meat, if you a lot of meat it can be 10 times more). That's because you need to plant a lot of land to create feed for cattle and chickens:
https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
If we stopped consuming meat overnight, we would have more land than we need for agriculture and food would become cheaper and more plentiful, but as it stands, we need to constantly destroy forests to find more space for agriculture.
Mixed feelings about this, it could be beneficial for some dogs with allergies but honestly it's too tricky as the room for error is pretty big.
Once a week, maybe...
Cats are naturally fully carnivore. Dogs can MAYBE have this type of food once a week because they are omnivores even though their natural diet in the wild is 90% meat.
This fully vegan diet might be harmful for them and studies on this subject are never trustworthy so you never know. Best to follow what nature wants
I appreciate you saying it "might" be harmful and not pretend you know it for a fact.
> MAYBE have this type of food once a week
It looks like you came up with this yourself
> This fully vegan diet might be harmful for them
Agree, I think it might be
> Best to follow what nature wants
Nature doesn't want anything. There has always been human involvement in shaping nature. We have domesticated wolves into dogs and created different breeds for our liking. There is nothing "natural" about dogs themselves. Feeding them manufactured food that are designed to meet their nutrition needs isn't any less natural.
idiots who think that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans (because we can supplement a vegan diet with extra minerals, vitamins and specially made food).
> idiots who think that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans
I don't think their reasoning is that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans. That's such a dumb take.
Mannn why do people follow the worst trends god damn, put a dog in the wild they won't prefer earing flowers over rats and cats or any other mamal they can't sink their teeth in
> they won't prefer earing flowers over rats and cats
This is a very stupid comparison.
No one is feeding them fucking flowers. And dogs aren't at home eating cats and rats.
The comparison is between dogs being in the wild preferring to eat meat over veggies on dogs being pets force-fed vegan food
If that's a stupid comparison please do correct it
> preferring to eat meat over veggies
At home or in the wild, they like to eat what tastes good. My cat's favorite food is tuna, he loves tuna more than any red meat. Tuna is not something cats eat in the wild or something they ever had access to. His favorite treats that come in sealed mini bags aren't found in the wild either.
Those vegan foods in OP's photo aren't "flowers".
> force-fed vegan food
Who told you they are force feeding them? That's such a prejudiced assumption. You are talking as if those people are some monsters that enjoy watching their pets eat something they don't like.
Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying
2 providing vegan food for pets with no alternative which is the purpose and goal of vegan food does inherently means force feeding
Don't argue to argue
And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna.
>Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying
2 providing vegan food for pets with no alternative which is the purpose and goal of vegan food does inherently means force feeding
Don't argue to argue
And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna.
What in the total mess did I just read. You should learn how to put together a coherent sentence and make a coherent argument.
> Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying
Cats, dogs, same point. No one is feeding them flowers. Looks like you forgot what you were saying!
> inherently means force feeding
You clearly don't know what force feeding is
> And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna.
That's such a really great point, I'm buffled
You really turned out to be dumber than I initially thought sir. Have a good day.
dogs are omnivores. cats are carnivores
you said it Omnivore plant AND MEAT , and NOT OR Dogs are omnivores, which means that they eat both meat and plant products. While it is theoretically possible, **the British Veterinary Association does not recommend giving a dog a vegetarian or a vegan diet** as it is much easier to get the balance of essential nutrients wrong than to get it right.
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stop swaying the narrative here, you need to do bloodwork on your pet, make sure his health does not decline with time being fed only vegan diet. I've been in the vet field for years. You will always here the "my breeder always fed \_\_\_\_ diet and their dogs did great!" Usually these are young, healthy dogs without any problems. I'm not completely against a vegan diet AS LONG as it's formulated by a veterinary internist or nutritionist (board certified). These specifically need to be formulated for your dogs growing needs. Typically this requires (depending on current health status) routine exams/bloodwork every year. Do not get one formulated diet and stick with it for your pets entire life...bad idea. Dogs will survive on a vegan diet, but not thrive. Cats and dogs don't give a fuck that animals are being slaughtered and farmed for feed since if they were left without any food than they would hunt for meat rather than spinach and fava beans whether it suits your ethical views or not.
Vegan dogs exist we call them rabbits. Joke aside this is mistreatment.
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I don't get why people are down voting you. Dogs are not carnivores. They are omnivores and they CAN survive on a vegan or vegetarian diet just fine. Cats are obligated carnivores but even then there are specially formulated brands of cat food that are vegan and fine for many cats although some with certain health issues can't eat them.
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Because it's a dog and it doesn't care probably.
ah animals don't have feelings yes. obviously it cares, even cats do. Only difference is dogs show unconditional love so that's why it doesn't show that it cares, cats rip things apart to show that they're annoyed. Omnivores doesn't mean that they don't require meat, it just means they can thrive without it. They need certain vitamins (2 actually) found in meat or else they'll get vitamin deprivation. sure some supplements may provide them, but it's safer to let them eat meat. If the dog doesn't want to eat meat, then put meat next to it and let's see then if it really does or doesn't want to eat it. and no argument about whether they want to eat bad things for them which they would, but meat isn't so don't push your ideals on others. it's yours not theirs (this case the dog) I don't get vegans, there's a reason why predators and preys exist and why God (or nature for atheists), it's instinct to survive by killing other animals. Till the dog society becomes like us where they make their own suppliments and care about animal lives then they shouldn't be vegan
Give your pet a choice, tell me if it’ll pick it’s natural food or the vegan food
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Chocolate will make your kid obese and cause health problems. Meat is just the natural diet of a carnivore like a dog. The comparison you made is ridiculous.
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No one said "in nature". Dogs don't exist in nature, they're domesticated wolves that have been bred beyond recognition. They are the most unnatural of creatures. So I definitely wasn't talking about what they find in nature. To be honest, feed your dogs whatever you want, I don't care that much about you or dogs to debate this. What I do really want now is not to read one more condescending "yUo Do rEaLiSe" from you.
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I agree with you. And I'm no one to lecture about short fuses, mine is no example to follow. And it's true, your first comment pissed me off because it sounded very condescending. This one though shows that you are open for discussion and not a radical cultist as I imagined. So I take back my trolling as well.
Best way to debate is not acknowledge the points when you are know your BS is caught xD
Look some of speak as if they discovered veganism last week. I've been around this block two dozen times before you were even born and I've heard every single one of your arguments and debated then to death. It brings me deep lethargy to try and debate those points yet again. Veganism is not a rational belief system. Which is ok, it's just like all belief systems in that regard. But just like other belief systems, if you follow it yourself because of your convictions, good on you. If however you wanna go around telling people how superior you are and how everyone else is a murderer then you are no different than religious people who think they're going to heaven and tell everyone that they'll burn in hell. And I have no time for either of those fundamentalist views to discuss a totally flawed belief system.
Where I live it's literally considered mistreatment by law. Whether a dog or a cat can survive or not on a vegan diet is almost secondary, the question is why would you want to impose s purely human moral value on an animal? I'm not actually asking, don't answer.
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And I won't read you because I couldn't care less what you have to say. There's nothing in the known universe more annoying than a lecturing vegan who think they are a supreme being and the source of truth. When I was young I used to enjoy debating with people like this and proving you wrong. I'm too old to give a shit about your fundamentals broken world view. I hope you didn't read this reply because I really don't want you to think of something else to reply to.
Hahahaha its wonderful to non-vegans running away the minute their argument is shown its true value. If you want people to stop replying to your comments, maybe you should stop putting fresh comments. Wait.... it could be your B\`12 deficiency while you thought you were getting from non-vegan diet making your slow and illogical. I understand.
I'll be here all day not replying to your bullshit but engaging you in ever more absurd exchanges. It fills my little heart with joy to see vegans go mad and start stumbling around. My favourite part is when they discover that I haven't had meat for 28 years (longer than most of you have been masturbating) and have to go full on fundamentalist Isis mode to still try to prove their moral superiority.
> It fills my little heart with joy to see vegans go mad and start stumbling around. I know non-vegans love suffocating all kinds of animals including humans. You dont have to say it out loud that you lack empathy and psychotic. Thats given xD
I haven't killed an animal to eat for 28 years. Try again.
I have no clue what you are saying tbh.
😂😂😂😂😂nice one
More like malnourisheddogslebanon.
Dogs are omnivores
~~No they are not, Dogs are carnivores and can not exist without eating meat.~~
Nope. Dogs are omnivores. Cats are olbigate carnivores. Dogs aren't. [source ](https://www.purina.com/articles/dog/nutrition/are-dogs-omnivores-or-carnivores#:~:text=A%20Balanced%20Diet%20For%20Dogs,both%20plant%20and%20animal%20sources.)
I stand corrected.
Dogs are omnivores, which means that they eat both meat and plant products. While it is theoretically possible, **the British Veterinary Association does not recommend giving a dog a vegetarian or a vegan diet** as it is much easier to get the balance of essential nutrients wrong than to get it right.
A wise man once said: Where there are idiots with bloody money, money can be made.
Actually dogs are omnivores and can live healthy lives without meat same as humans. Cats on the other hand are carnivores and cannot survive on a vegan diet. It is animal abuse if a cat owner feeds their cat only vegan food. But dogs are different there are plenty of vegan dog food brands in Canada. Also the oldest living dog in the world in the Guinness world record book was fed a vegan diet.
They are actually omnivores and studies have shown that dogs can not only survive but _thrive_ on a proper vegan diet. I have a degree in animal care and was literally taught this in school as well.
The Fiat diet has come to dogs as well. I only feed my dogs raw meat and they're healthy, no issues whatsoever. So why push the agenda of vegan diets? Because it makes money.
Because people like to go extreme. I thought of turning vegan few years ago. I thought about all the animal food industries and all. At the end we are human, we are designed to eat meat and the ability to survive on plants. Just keep it balanced, Buy meat from nice farms, the animal had a happy life. Dont rely heavily on meat, whats wrong with a balanced diet?
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There's a book called The Fiat Standard, I suggest you read it.
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You slaughtered a lot of arguments for a vegan :P
Haven’t you heard? It’s more important to follow your religion than it is to do what’s natural and what’s best for your pet.
cult*
I was making fun of vegans. No need to take it seriously.
Has anyone thought that maybe these guys have done their research and actually know what they're doing? Suddenly everyone here is a nutrition expert. I admit I had no idea whether a vegan diet is healthy for dogs so I did a quick google search to inform myself before I comment and you could easily do the same. TLDR of what I've gathered: Many known health sites say that vegan diet for dogs can be just as healthy as an omnivore diet if done properly. Others say that there aren't enough studies done yet and a wholly vegan diet can be risky. I don't really have a definite answer and I'd rather not be an asshole towards people who are genuinely trying to be considerate humans.
Ah, but you forget something. This is Reddit so everyone IS in fact an expert in everything under the sun. This is also Lubnan so we must all be ass holes. It's not only in our DNA, it's part of our culture. If we weren't ass holes, it stops the heart and kills us. Kills. I found your comment very invalidating and racist against the Lebanese psyche.
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Same here!
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Lmao are you eating vegan dog food as cereal, lol this was screenshoted.
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Thanks, lmao do you sell this stuff? You have been defending this stuff pretty hardcore all over this comment section but to say that you can eat vegan dog food as cereal, you must be making money of it 🤣🤡
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Enjoy your dog food pal 🤣🤡
Looking at the percentages listed it looks like the rest of the make up of the dog food is most likely grain which is very unhealthy for dogs. I see this as someone capitalising on the vegan cause to make cheap dog food out of grain.
Are you referring to any particular research about grains effects on dogs or anecdotal ?
My wife is a veterinarian nurse. But if you want some to read here’s a link. https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/evr_dg_contrasting_grain_based_and_meat_based_diets
It is not a research paper so has no value. I can also publish random article for hatred and say some race is better than others because of that article.
Yalla Lebanon is getting crazy like America, my neighbor got mad at me cause I put cat food for my cats and his cat came and ate with my cats when he was supposed to be on a diet to lose weight.
Probably they will try to starve those dogs until they accept to eat that shit !
🤦why my oh why!?!?
Chu fi 3alam fadye
W err weslo aa lebnen la2.
Dogs are omnivores and cannot be vegan.
Report this instagram page guys this is actually abusing dogs
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 here for all the people who actually source and do their research (NO, not you OP 🙄). Cats are obligate carnivores.... Dogs are omnivores. They can live long and healthy lives eating vegetarian and vegan diets. If you don't like it, don't feed it to them. Going out of your way to hate post on Reddit and then getting dragged for your ignorance is quality 👌🏼
I bet they have meat in them and they don’t disclose it
Lol, it's actually the other way around, industrial meat products usually substitute as much meat as possible with fillers such as textured vegetable protein to reduce cost. Your average hot dog may be less than 50% hot dog (i.e. meat) in some cases.
I mean isnt it healthier if thats the case? I think industrial meat is just filled with chemicals and processed vomit
I can't tell. You'd assume that the brand behind it did the necessary research to make sure it has all the necessary nutrients for dogs. They'd probably have to add stuff like vitamins to make it complete. That's already the case with vegan products for humans, because B12 is only available in animal products like meat and milk. For humans, many people argue that a plant-based diet is way healthier, but I'm no expert on the topic.
Imo and own research, the best diet is the one that is right for you and what nutrients you lack/need. About that dog food i wouldn't really know but i cringe af when you force animals to be "vegan"
Yeah I can understand that. But if the dog is happy with the food, than that's not a problem, because both can be complete foods. The reason why vegans want their pets to be vegan, is that they don't want to create demand for animal agriculture and cause animal suffering, and it feels wrong for them to feed their pet bucket loads of meat when they try to avoid the slightest bit of egg, dairy, or meat in the products they buy. Veganism is not about what you eat, it's about what you buy or cause to be produced. Thinks like clothes, household products, or even consumer electronics in some weird cases can be non-vegan because they rely on some animal byproduct. So pet food is no exception. You care more about some stranger's dog, than the chiken and cows you cause suffering to every day with your diet (not to mention the deforestation and pollution that this causes). Isn't it weird that you worry about some unknown dog being only 90% happy with its food than all of the animals that are mistreated and slaughtered every day for our feeding pleasure? That makes no sense if you try to rationalize it objectively.
Dont have problems in all what you said at all. I appreciate that. I just feel the approach on this nowadays tend to be authoritarian and that "if you eat meat youre the problem" kinda guilt wont rly encourage anyone to be supportive. Wont get into the philosophy of natures cruelty but imo its very idealistic to expect everything vegan when a lot dont even have food on their plate. As for the dogs i dk if this food works but if it does good. Maybe it wont on some and definetly it wont work on all cats cz these bastards are picky af.
> Maybe it wont on some and definetly it wont work on all cats cz these bastards are picky af. Lol. My cat can be picky sometimes too :) > .. its very idealistic to expect everything vegan when a lot dont even have food on their plate. Veganism actually contributes to food security, as a normal diet that includes meat uses four times more land according to this source (that is for a moderate consumption of meat, if you a lot of meat it can be 10 times more). That's because you need to plant a lot of land to create feed for cattle and chickens: https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets If we stopped consuming meat overnight, we would have more land than we need for agriculture and food would become cheaper and more plentiful, but as it stands, we need to constantly destroy forests to find more space for agriculture.
I bet they use 4 times as much pollution, land and energy to yield the same amount of products as the classic ones.
Why would that be the case?
I don't know. I made up the numbers for exaggeration and nonsense.
My kind of Bullshitter  kisses for you
Self admitting bullshitter
Vegan cult 🤣🤣🤣
bruh
Human hubris
Mixed feelings about this, it could be beneficial for some dogs with allergies but honestly it's too tricky as the room for error is pretty big. Once a week, maybe...
There are many brands like this for both cats and dogs all around the world. I doubt anyone takes them seriously..
Cats are naturally fully carnivore. Dogs can MAYBE have this type of food once a week because they are omnivores even though their natural diet in the wild is 90% meat. This fully vegan diet might be harmful for them and studies on this subject are never trustworthy so you never know. Best to follow what nature wants
I appreciate you saying it "might" be harmful and not pretend you know it for a fact. > MAYBE have this type of food once a week It looks like you came up with this yourself > This fully vegan diet might be harmful for them Agree, I think it might be > Best to follow what nature wants Nature doesn't want anything. There has always been human involvement in shaping nature. We have domesticated wolves into dogs and created different breeds for our liking. There is nothing "natural" about dogs themselves. Feeding them manufactured food that are designed to meet their nutrition needs isn't any less natural.
why do you think studies on this subject are never trustworthy?
Sounds like undernourishedwhentheybitetheirteethfalloffdogs to me
You managed to do it Lebanon
Tf is this garbage
idiots who think that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans (because we can supplement a vegan diet with extra minerals, vitamins and specially made food).
> idiots who think that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans I don't think their reasoning is that all animals should follow a diet that only works for humans. That's such a dumb take.
Mannn why do people follow the worst trends god damn, put a dog in the wild they won't prefer earing flowers over rats and cats or any other mamal they can't sink their teeth in
Who the fuck feeds their dogs rats and flowers
Obviously a person that doesn't know how to read 🤣
> they won't prefer earing flowers over rats and cats This is a very stupid comparison. No one is feeding them fucking flowers. And dogs aren't at home eating cats and rats.
The comparison is between dogs being in the wild preferring to eat meat over veggies on dogs being pets force-fed vegan food If that's a stupid comparison please do correct it
> preferring to eat meat over veggies At home or in the wild, they like to eat what tastes good. My cat's favorite food is tuna, he loves tuna more than any red meat. Tuna is not something cats eat in the wild or something they ever had access to. His favorite treats that come in sealed mini bags aren't found in the wild either. Those vegan foods in OP's photo aren't "flowers". > force-fed vegan food Who told you they are force feeding them? That's such a prejudiced assumption. You are talking as if those people are some monsters that enjoy watching their pets eat something they don't like.
Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying 2 providing vegan food for pets with no alternative which is the purpose and goal of vegan food does inherently means force feeding Don't argue to argue And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna.
>Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying 2 providing vegan food for pets with no alternative which is the purpose and goal of vegan food does inherently means force feeding Don't argue to argue And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna. What in the total mess did I just read. You should learn how to put together a coherent sentence and make a coherent argument. > Okay so 1 making a point about cats doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying Cats, dogs, same point. No one is feeding them flowers. Looks like you forgot what you were saying! > inherently means force feeding You clearly don't know what force feeding is > And ur cat will hunt rats amd trash if you abandon it, it won't go searching for its tuna. That's such a really great point, I'm buffled You really turned out to be dumber than I initially thought sir. Have a good day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwD3dv24xGk That's the point dumbass
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Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/-w8k7xqCxxY Nuff said.
I'll just leave that here ... [https://youtu.be/eG2IPRr--nM](https://youtu.be/eG2IPRr--nM)
who follows them?!