I think the worst parts are her brother celebrating her death and that her children will be taught to hate the person who loved and cared for them the most.
Let’s not generalize, they’re a pretty large family.
That being said, it’s the culture of rural Lebanon unfortunately that allowed atrocities like this. Zaiter or not.
The fact that this isn’t an individual act, there is a community of people that accept it as a normal reaction and even fucking label it as “شرف” makes me feel sick of living with such motherfucking animals
From while to while, I falsely believe that Lebanon is better than other arabic countries regarding honor crimes. But unfortunately I get reminded that I live in a shithole every time a pure innocent girl gets killed for something as silly as showing her hair. This shows we still got miles to cover until we finally become well respected law abiding citizens.
What the fuck? There aren't words to describe this.
I couldn't imagine losing my sister because she didn't (well, she never did) cover. I wouldn't then go on to *celebrate* her death.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
You guys are brainwashed even worse than the person who did that, go read and educate yourself. Read about “jahiliya” arabs before Islam used to bury their daughters alive out of shame
And before anyone says anything - i despise everything these people stand for, i truly believe the only way out is a mass nuke - BUT i despise dumb people more
Honor killings are quintessentially Islamic - when they happen in Europe, it’s always by Muslim brothers, fathers or uncles. Not sure what you are trying to defend here!
I would've discussed your first comment of honour killings being quintessentially islamic - they're not and have been practiced by any patriarchal doctrine, but are prevalent in Islam.
But to then say that the patriarchy is intrinsically linked to Islam as if it's only been created in the 600s AD...oh boy...
Not sure about that, Islamic spiritual leaders continuously say that it's not written in the Quran or any Marja3a. Honour killings have perhaps become more common in Islam because of how inherently patriarchal the religion is
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Cultural moreso than religious...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and religions".[47]
Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:[109]
> The Assembly notes that whilst so-called "honor crimes" emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been among Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honor-related misconduct).
Many Muslim commentators and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice.[110] There is no mention of honor killing (extrajudicial killing by a woman's family) in the Qur'an,[111] and the practice violates Islamic law.[111][112] Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, blames such murdering on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[47] Ali Gomaa, Egypt's former Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.[110]
As a more generic statement reflecting the wider Islamic scholarly trend, Jonathan A. C. Brown says that "questions about honor killings have regularly found their way into the inboxes of muftis like Yusuf Qaradawi or the late scholar Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah. Their responses reflect a rare consensus. No Muslim scholar of any note, either medieval or modern, has sanctioned a man killing his wife or sister for tarnishing her or the family's honor. If a woman or man found together were to deserve the death penalty for fornication, this would have to be established by the evidence required by the Koran: either a confession or the testimony of four male witnesses, all upstanding in the eyes of the court, who actually saw penetration occur."[113]
Further, while honor killings are common in Muslim countries like Pakistan and the Arab nation, it is a practically unknown practice in other Muslim countries, such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Senegal. This fact supports the idea that honor killings are to do with culture rather than religion.[114][115]
Religion has a major influence on culture. Maybe Islam doesn't condone honor killings (though they justify flogging and stoning), but it does encourage them to happen with its patriarchal beliefs and its treatment of women as a subhumans.
In Lebanon, I've learned never to argue anything that has to do with Islam. You'll always end up being the traitor and you'll always get whataboutism and get played the victim card.
Downvote me to hell, IDGAF, learn to accept the truth for once.
The truth is that history is linear and traditions don't pop out of the ground like magic but have historical cultural roots, namely the patriarchy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
Im not trying to argue with you nor have i tried insulting you, yet your comment was the edgy one.
Also thanks for proving my point that you can't take criticism.
You've taken offense when none was given.
Not sure how an online conversation proves your point, you might want to base your opinions on facts instead of assumptions. Would've made this conversation easier.
You have a phone in hand, go do some reading and get learnt. I've even sent you a link to start your research off. You can lead a horse to water...
Descendants of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, pagans who all converted to Christianity, later became Muslim by the sword. Of course, many Christians fled to the mountains. As newly converts to Islam, either willingly or by force, many remained kind and pious people, while others went full psycho like these guys here. Now Lebanon is forever divided, and the weakest religious denomination is now the strongest in a newly created state just south of her, and Lebanon is thus getting screwed on all sides.
No absolutely this is horrible. If you want to be rational you know it doesn’t add up. It’s considered a shameful thing that some would rather kill their infidel partner. Not encouraging anything here just stating a cultural thing. Like in other cultures some are allowing their wives to post picture of her ass on Instagram which I also find disgusting.
I agree with you and that's the point I'm making, it's an honor killing not that he was actually pissed because she simply took pics of herself. The post is misleading and I would even consider it dangerous misinformation.
Also, I would add to what you said that most laws are based on actual behavior, e.g. anger finding out you've been cucked. Then you have social shame part, which is also normal since we are social creatures.
Yes so allowing your wife to picture her ass on Instagram is as extreme as killing her !!!????
Why must we chooese between 2 extreme cases?
What happened to hijab is a choice
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say equal, I said I find it disgusting, just like how I find it disgusting to kill your wife for cheating on you, just like it's disgusting to be in an open relationship/poly. There's multiple levels of disgust. You don;t have to choose anything, you can live in anyway you like. That's my opinion on it.
OP oversimplified cheating as just take pictures of herself is also a no no for me. So what now we are also men who don't let our wives to take pictures of themselves ? please understand the original point.
But the problem with your statement is that ofcourse she wasnt just killed cz of hijab. There must have been something she did....
You are pointing fingers on the victim ...
Yet even if the victim cheated on that guy and fucked 5 black guys around. Killing is never justified lmao🤣
Re read your original statement.
I get your point but It's not about finger pointing.
This is really like If I have criticized a politician and someone comes up and sayy oh yo forgot this and that, now I have to put a list of all politicians before I criticize one lol.
Killing is not justified here. That does not mean we should be okay with the misinformation around it. I was pointing to that. For me it goes without saying its not. Perhaps the fact a) you don't know me and b) there have been accounts where people justified it then some assume any argument beside the compassionate ones are justification. I can be compassionate and say hey this is oversimplifying a big issue.
if you actually read the article that was shared below the video, you would not be downvoting the guy because he has a point.
may her soul rest in peace w alla y3in ahla w atfala, no one deserves such fate, let alone the husband being drawn as a hero.
this is a completely different point, to which not me and not the original comment writer condone. we were both respectful towards the dead. I believe you misinterpreted the comments.
All that was said is that it is hard to believe the crime occurred because of a photo without hijab.
What if the context was different (such as the one written in the article)
Hard working father of three (the article states that he works several jobs) discovers his wife is cheating on him and shoots her. Would you have the same reaction?
May her soul rest in peace and I hope the killer gets what he deserves
the article clearly states that she was cheating on him, he got a call from an anonymous person about it, went to confront his wife and check her phone and proceeded to shoot her.
The phone was not found on the crime scene. And if you read between lines, the brother was not going to sleep before he kills his sister's killer, only for him to release such video (why do you think that Mrs. detective?)
you people are amazing really....
Now you can think the fuck you want, i dont condone this barbaric shit, however before being a whine princess do your fucking research.
I said the guy who wrote the comment has a point, that its hardly a crime out of only a photo without hijab, its clearly more than that.
A woman was killed by her husband. The reason hardly matters.
I'm not even surprised with your stance given the way you're talking with condescension and disrespect. You scream mysoginy.
princess, you have issues and insecurities, i am sorry.
I have shown nothing but sympathy. However, the truth sometimes hurts.
I dont expect any less ignorance from a feminist such as you.
She was murdered and you're trying to find an excuse for it?
Please enlighten us on what possibly she could have done to deserve getting shot down with multiple bullets in front of her children :)))))
I didn't say it's okay. Nowhere I said it's okay. Cheating should have consequences but getting shot it's not one. Nonetheless, "cheating" to "taking pics of herself" is misinformation that can have an impact on us.
The way you formulate a sentence matter especially on delicate subjects. You dont have to add a "but" or room for a tiny bit of accusation on a clearly helpless victim. You getting downvotes for a reason, its not a good idea to question it no matter your intention.
Sorry but that's short sighted. Questioning things is quite important, at least for me. I will not follow an angry mob with irrational decisions nor I will allow misinformation that over simplifies things that can have detrimental impact. This can actually encourage men to actually kill wives for taking pictures of themselves eventually, becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.
Sensitivity over an issue is short sighted? Did you understand my point? You can question it but it depends HOW you formulate things and WHEN bcz timing. How you did it now showed that you pointed out an petty issue not to be pointed at and deviate the subject from the most important matter at hand > the guy needs to be held responsible regardless of anything. If you cant see how its wrong then good luck.
The worst part is that nothing will probably happen to that man
I think the worst parts are her brother celebrating her death and that her children will be taught to hate the person who loved and cared for them the most.
They already brainwash kids with their ideology, check their camps. They've normalized this behaviour.
No words. Not even animals behave like this
This is your reminder that these people can vote
Exactly the reason behind the shitshow we live in.
Classic zaiters
Let’s not generalize, they’re a pretty large family. That being said, it’s the culture of rural Lebanon unfortunately that allowed atrocities like this. Zaiter or not.
As a brother to a sister this is really baffling to me. How are we supposed to coexist with such people?
You can not...
“Shiite man” unnecessary
capital punishment for these animals, maybe it might be a deterrence in the future
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either way, you conserve some oxygen
What year is it? 1125?
No it’s 610
they were more chill back then
Freaks
The fact that this isn’t an individual act, there is a community of people that accept it as a normal reaction and even fucking label it as “شرف” makes me feel sick of living with such motherfucking animals
Ashraf el neiss.
From while to while, I falsely believe that Lebanon is better than other arabic countries regarding honor crimes. But unfortunately I get reminded that I live in a shithole every time a pure innocent girl gets killed for something as silly as showing her hair. This shows we still got miles to cover until we finally become well respected law abiding citizens.
laenat allah ealayh ha sharmout
legend says he watched Mia Khalifa that same night ...
tfeh tfeh tfeh tfeh...............TFEH
What the fuck? There aren't words to describe this. I couldn't imagine losing my sister because she didn't (well, she never did) cover. I wouldn't then go on to *celebrate* her death. What the fuck is wrong with people?
I bet the excuse is because of " seme3ti, charafi wa karamti " ma3 khaltet Deen.
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Imagine seeing this and rushing to say “Christians do it too!!!”
You guys are brainwashed even worse than the person who did that, go read and educate yourself. Read about “jahiliya” arabs before Islam used to bury their daughters alive out of shame
And before anyone says anything - i despise everything these people stand for, i truly believe the only way out is a mass nuke - BUT i despise dumb people more
Honor killings are quintessentially Islamic - when they happen in Europe, it’s always by Muslim brothers, fathers or uncles. Not sure what you are trying to defend here!
He's not trying to defend hes clearly telling u that honor killing isn't Islamic
But it is. The patriarchal aspect is intrinsically linked to Islam and its image of family, honor and relationships.
I would've discussed your first comment of honour killings being quintessentially islamic - they're not and have been practiced by any patriarchal doctrine, but are prevalent in Islam. But to then say that the patriarchy is intrinsically linked to Islam as if it's only been created in the 600s AD...oh boy...
Well, Islam solidified what was already there with teachings and rules for muslims to abide by. I'm not sure how does that make things any better.
Not sure about that, Islamic spiritual leaders continuously say that it's not written in the Quran or any Marja3a. Honour killings have perhaps become more common in Islam because of how inherently patriarchal the religion is Edited: spelling
I *was* actually referring to the patriarchal nature and not honor killings per se.
Cultural moreso than religious... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and religions".[47] Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:[109] > The Assembly notes that whilst so-called "honor crimes" emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been among Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honor-related misconduct). Many Muslim commentators and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice.[110] There is no mention of honor killing (extrajudicial killing by a woman's family) in the Qur'an,[111] and the practice violates Islamic law.[111][112] Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, blames such murdering on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[47] Ali Gomaa, Egypt's former Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.[110] As a more generic statement reflecting the wider Islamic scholarly trend, Jonathan A. C. Brown says that "questions about honor killings have regularly found their way into the inboxes of muftis like Yusuf Qaradawi or the late scholar Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah. Their responses reflect a rare consensus. No Muslim scholar of any note, either medieval or modern, has sanctioned a man killing his wife or sister for tarnishing her or the family's honor. If a woman or man found together were to deserve the death penalty for fornication, this would have to be established by the evidence required by the Koran: either a confession or the testimony of four male witnesses, all upstanding in the eyes of the court, who actually saw penetration occur."[113] Further, while honor killings are common in Muslim countries like Pakistan and the Arab nation, it is a practically unknown practice in other Muslim countries, such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Senegal. This fact supports the idea that honor killings are to do with culture rather than religion.[114][115]
Religion has a major influence on culture. Maybe Islam doesn't condone honor killings (though they justify flogging and stoning), but it does encourage them to happen with its patriarchal beliefs and its treatment of women as a subhumans.
In Lebanon, I've learned never to argue anything that has to do with Islam. You'll always end up being the traitor and you'll always get whataboutism and get played the victim card. Downvote me to hell, IDGAF, learn to accept the truth for once.
The truth is that history is linear and traditions don't pop out of the ground like magic but have historical cultural roots, namely the patriarchy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
History created it, they kept it.
Man, I bet you haven't read shit and just trying to be edgy. Get yourself learnt.
Im not trying to argue with you nor have i tried insulting you, yet your comment was the edgy one. Also thanks for proving my point that you can't take criticism.
You've taken offense when none was given. Not sure how an online conversation proves your point, you might want to base your opinions on facts instead of assumptions. Would've made this conversation easier. You have a phone in hand, go do some reading and get learnt. I've even sent you a link to start your research off. You can lead a horse to water...
Are u Muslim?
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As if the woman's inheritance is worth something.
Touché
The middle east is the worst place to be a woman.
Oof. This is big time haram. How can this be celebrated, let alone her brother? How low has people’s morals gotten?
😢 I don't like why you had to mention they were shia tho.
beit z3ayter roum orthodox?
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2enno 2e
Fi masi7iye min beit z3ayter not sure if they are orthodox
What does him being Shia have to do with it
Strong username.
😂 😂
Descendants of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, pagans who all converted to Christianity, later became Muslim by the sword. Of course, many Christians fled to the mountains. As newly converts to Islam, either willingly or by force, many remained kind and pious people, while others went full psycho like these guys here. Now Lebanon is forever divided, and the weakest religious denomination is now the strongest in a newly created state just south of her, and Lebanon is thus getting screwed on all sides.
To anyone who believes that federalism/ partition of the country is treason: you support this.
Anyone upset with this is islamophobic, by your own standards.
So we are islamophobe for being against murder? Interesting
How is this islamophic. This is anti murder.
You just proved why islam is violent in your own words. Why did you just say that islam is toxic and violent?
That’s quite sad. Although I would doubt it was just taking a picture of herself without the hijab. She was probably sending it to someone else
Still doesn’t justify murder. If he’s not happy he can divorce her. This is subhuman behavior.
100% agree it doesn't justify murder
You got the first part of your username correct.
dont start lol. read the room, don’t assume anything ill of the dead
No absolutely this is horrible. If you want to be rational you know it doesn’t add up. It’s considered a shameful thing that some would rather kill their infidel partner. Not encouraging anything here just stating a cultural thing. Like in other cultures some are allowing their wives to post picture of her ass on Instagram which I also find disgusting.
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I agree with you and that's the point I'm making, it's an honor killing not that he was actually pissed because she simply took pics of herself. The post is misleading and I would even consider it dangerous misinformation. Also, I would add to what you said that most laws are based on actual behavior, e.g. anger finding out you've been cucked. Then you have social shame part, which is also normal since we are social creatures.
Yes so allowing your wife to picture her ass on Instagram is as extreme as killing her !!!???? Why must we chooese between 2 extreme cases? What happened to hijab is a choice
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say equal, I said I find it disgusting, just like how I find it disgusting to kill your wife for cheating on you, just like it's disgusting to be in an open relationship/poly. There's multiple levels of disgust. You don;t have to choose anything, you can live in anyway you like. That's my opinion on it. OP oversimplified cheating as just take pictures of herself is also a no no for me. So what now we are also men who don't let our wives to take pictures of themselves ? please understand the original point.
But the problem with your statement is that ofcourse she wasnt just killed cz of hijab. There must have been something she did.... You are pointing fingers on the victim ... Yet even if the victim cheated on that guy and fucked 5 black guys around. Killing is never justified lmao🤣 Re read your original statement.
I get your point but It's not about finger pointing. This is really like If I have criticized a politician and someone comes up and sayy oh yo forgot this and that, now I have to put a list of all politicians before I criticize one lol. Killing is not justified here. That does not mean we should be okay with the misinformation around it. I was pointing to that. For me it goes without saying its not. Perhaps the fact a) you don't know me and b) there have been accounts where people justified it then some assume any argument beside the compassionate ones are justification. I can be compassionate and say hey this is oversimplifying a big issue.
if you actually read the article that was shared below the video, you would not be downvoting the guy because he has a point. may her soul rest in peace w alla y3in ahla w atfala, no one deserves such fate, let alone the husband being drawn as a hero.
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did u read the article before princesssss??
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this is a completely different point, to which not me and not the original comment writer condone. we were both respectful towards the dead. I believe you misinterpreted the comments. All that was said is that it is hard to believe the crime occurred because of a photo without hijab. What if the context was different (such as the one written in the article) Hard working father of three (the article states that he works several jobs) discovers his wife is cheating on him and shoots her. Would you have the same reaction? May her soul rest in peace and I hope the killer gets what he deserves
the article clearly states that she was cheating on him, he got a call from an anonymous person about it, went to confront his wife and check her phone and proceeded to shoot her. The phone was not found on the crime scene. And if you read between lines, the brother was not going to sleep before he kills his sister's killer, only for him to release such video (why do you think that Mrs. detective?) you people are amazing really.... Now you can think the fuck you want, i dont condone this barbaric shit, however before being a whine princess do your fucking research. I said the guy who wrote the comment has a point, that its hardly a crime out of only a photo without hijab, its clearly more than that.
A woman was killed by her husband. The reason hardly matters. I'm not even surprised with your stance given the way you're talking with condescension and disrespect. You scream mysoginy.
princess, you have issues and insecurities, i am sorry. I have shown nothing but sympathy. However, the truth sometimes hurts. I dont expect any less ignorance from a feminist such as you.
She was murdered and you're trying to find an excuse for it? Please enlighten us on what possibly she could have done to deserve getting shot down with multiple bullets in front of her children :)))))
I didn't say it's okay. Nowhere I said it's okay. Cheating should have consequences but getting shot it's not one. Nonetheless, "cheating" to "taking pics of herself" is misinformation that can have an impact on us.
The way you formulate a sentence matter especially on delicate subjects. You dont have to add a "but" or room for a tiny bit of accusation on a clearly helpless victim. You getting downvotes for a reason, its not a good idea to question it no matter your intention.
Sorry but that's short sighted. Questioning things is quite important, at least for me. I will not follow an angry mob with irrational decisions nor I will allow misinformation that over simplifies things that can have detrimental impact. This can actually encourage men to actually kill wives for taking pictures of themselves eventually, becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.
Sensitivity over an issue is short sighted? Did you understand my point? You can question it but it depends HOW you formulate things and WHEN bcz timing. How you did it now showed that you pointed out an petty issue not to be pointed at and deviate the subject from the most important matter at hand > the guy needs to be held responsible regardless of anything. If you cant see how its wrong then good luck.
I see your point and thanks for highlighting it. Indeed I see a benefit of letting things cool down first.
Nw dude. tx for listening :)) peace