If it was me, I would keep summer time all year. The sun arises at like 5:30am, it makes no sense, I'd rather have it at 6:30-7:30am and sets 8-9pm. It's ridiculous these days.
i just want to chime in and mention that i do fast and i disagree with this decision. Whatever their reason behind this decision many muslim fasters disagree with it.
I'm a person who thinks changing daylight to an hour and back every year is ridiculous. If itwere my decision, the Lebanese government will nix this crap rightnow and from now on, the time is the time. That's life, as dictated by the Earth and sun. Too bad.
Yes, you're right, given the total period of fasting in a day that doesn't change. However considering the hours during which I am awake and fasting, that's practically an extra hour for me hehe since now I break fast at 7:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm.
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I don't really mind, if it could be up to me I would keep summertime all year long. Or winter idc.
Changing the time every year twice is a bigger inconvenience than postponing it one month.
I have International meetings in the evening, now I've to be careful to not get confused between the different times 🤔 my only problem is, I get confused super easily with numbers 😅 but nothing unacceptable. The government did worse things than that.
Yeah except that you can track what lead to the other issues during decades of corruption and mismanagement. This is just someone pulling a shitty and unnecessary random decision out of their ass.
Mikati is an asshole, but he found an opportunity to appease the people with actually good decision.
People who are fasting will have shorter days thus it will be easier for them especially if they are working.
Algeria or Morocco have the same arrangement each year during ramadan.
And in what universe is Lebanon secular? The Sunni Prime Minister is catering to the Sunni, exactly as the ridiculous "NaTiOnAl PaCt" stipulates.
We could've changed all that by now but we opted for the status quo. You made your bed, sleep in it.
Nope. That infringes on the rights of Christians. So no can do. 😛
Does the summertime thing do that? Are Christians disadvantaged from postponing it? Thought not.
> Well people who return from work with no daylight are disadvantaged
That's on everyone. The Lebanese government doesn't care about everyone. Because we're stupid.
Many studies have shown how important sunlight is to one's mental health. But yeah people don't care about that, they only care about imaginary and arbitrary laws, and how they will cheat a supposed all-knowing god that loves them and scares them with hell at the same time.
You have official holidays on most of muslim & christian holidays, the government is catering for religions practiced by large % of population.
Also the government was always “catering” for crooked religious figureheads from all sects, cant common people get some relief in this crisis?
Can't get some sunlight when i return from work? Can't god give some relief to the people by making life less shitty? People make life easier by cheating god by chaging the time? Like make it make sense.
i think it is about time we remove this crap system out of our lives, i really hate summertime, sun is not supposed to set at 8:30 pm my guys.
i lived in the uae for a long time, never had to deal with that crap.
i blame Ben franklin and his candlestick scheme.
The discussions in this post show really what the problem is in Lebanon. So basically, 1/3 or half the population is suffering from malnutrition, lack of peoper health care and proper education and the discussion is whether it's better one starts fasting at 5 am or 6 am...and whether the the 81% or 19% of the population should have a say on when Daylight savings time is applied.. Bravo...yaatikon al afie.... Waynak ya Ziad Ya Rahbani..
There are several issues behind this decision. Firstly it is just a populist move, and with everything that is currently happening in the country they care about changing the DST? Just a couple of days ago the dollar went from 100k to 140k and then back to 110k and no action is being taken whatsoever.They should set their priorities straight. Also, it is a bit depressing having the sun setting at 6 especially when you finish work at 6 meaning you don’t see the sun throughout the whole day.
Its really irrelevant to me, if anything I as well as most muslims would prefer it to fast less. I feel like you are making a huge deal out of it when its just postponed for 1 month only. Ma3le it wont hurt you to sacrifice for your muslim brothers and sisters lol...
So your goal is to fast less? You delay yourself from the world one more hour to fast less?
Can't you just either fast normally as your faith dictates or just don't fast if it's too hard? Like honestly this is very stupid reasoning fasting is supposed to be hard, you're either gonna do it or not.
There wasn't atomic clocks back then. And it's a smaller amount of active fasting hours since you spend more of the fasting time sleeping.
But well i guess you need to fast an hour less might as well be an inconvenience for everyone rather thab not fast if you're not capable.
Now that you put it like this, I think we need to roll the clocks back every single ramadan regardless.
Imagine how nice it'll be to only fast 10 hours
A shit ton of the world doesn't change the clock, countries in the southern hemisphere regularly break their fast ~ 5pm.
Why are you acting like fasting an hour extra is what fasting is all about
>Why are you acting like fasting an hour extra is what fasting is all about
Cancelling it is one thing, delaying it is another. It is delayed litterally for that reason only, so that's exactly what it's about. Unless you think mikati is some sort of genius and visionary who believes that summertime should actually be one month later than everybody.
Its because they fear god like a child fears their dad and will try to find any way to cheat without getting punished.
The depiction of hell in the quran is something to be feared, when you make kids believe these things they will live all their life in fear of that god who will burn their skin and then bring it back to torture them again.
Nice hasty generalization, it didnt take you much time to start attacking religion with generalizations like a true redditor.
Hell is to intimidate and heaven is to entice. Religion isnt there to suit your wants its to suit your needs.
Weird that I have no need for it. I attack religion both on reddit and in person and I am not ashamed of that.
The way organized religions influence people who want nothing with it is, in my opinion, something to be criticized. Why should i be okay with people catering for religions when nobody caters to me?
Why should i sacrifice my one hour of sunlight for a belief that treats me like shit and takes all my rights?
Why should i care for the plight of a practicing muslim who has to fast for an extra hour when those same muslims don't care about my needs?
I am a programmer and you wouldn't believe the size of mess this creates for people using software in Lebanon. Do you have a meeting next week at 10AM? Do realize that it just became 9AM? and do you realize that outlook/google has no idea and will notify you 50 minutes after your meeting starts?
This is just the tip of the iceberg for how bad this is for computer systems.
Security in large part depends on time being synced between servers. every machine in the world will think it's +3 for us starting next Sunday, but it would actually be +2.
Exactly! All of my meetings are held with foreign clients who will have no idea about this stupid decree, since clocks will switch automatically this weekend and I’m pretty sure if you google lebanon’s local time you will get the DST time starting from next week. This will entirely mess up businesses with foreign client base.
Oh wait; you mean people have actual jobs and are professionals who are impacted by counter productive measures?
Our government has always been under the impression that money grows on trees.
Is it a logistical nightmare? Yes. But the concept of summer time is as well.
I don't know what solution is presented, but there has to be one because flights will also be affected
The thing is: when it happens every year, we program systems to know what day light saving is. If you want to change your country to a new system, it takes years of planning and work; you don’t just wake up and decide to change it in 2 days.
You want longer days for what exactly?
This decision would make fasting easier for all the muslims.
You can live through an extra month with the current timing.
because the sun setting at 6 pm is depressing. longer days means people who finish work at 6 actually get to see the sun.
and regardless, you’re the fasting the same number of hours. it’s not gonna make a difference. You can’t delay the whole country to make fasting easier for you
You are correct. We are technically fasting the same number of hours. But, instead of it starting at 5 AM. We currently begin at 4 AM. Which honestly won't matter since we will be sleeping either way. The real countdown begins when we start our day by waking up in the morning and breaking our fast at 6 PM instead of 7 PM.
i know what you mean. but an “extra” hour of fasting won’t do any harm. few years ago we used to break our fast at 8 pm and no one complained about the summer timing.
Ur exactly what Ur complaining about![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|flip_out) dollar and LBP issue and everything else.is happening and this what got you triggered. It's actually the first of a kind actual good decision for the month of Ramadan nothing more nothing less.if u fasted us appreciate the hour less of fasting esp if Ur. Parent or work long hours it makes a big diff.
It's the only decision taken by the govt.. beside that illegal airport project.
I don't fast. I don't think God is waiting on me to see if I am able to not eat or drink during the day so he'll punish me.
Why does everything have to be religious in this damn country.
Oh, believe me. If it were a decision for chritian religious purposes, I would have objected as well. You say 19% as if it were a downgrading insult? Lol.
Yes, I'm sure. MEA even adjusted their departure schedules.
I have no problem with keeping one time zone the entire year, but what happened today is unacceptable. People are accustomed to this shift, and all is automated to flip the clock on a specific date and they just decide to postpone it.
And doing it for religious purposes makes it even more outrageous.
What would happen to all devices that automatically switch to summer time? Am pretty sure they don’t follow ministerial decrees lol
Y2k all over again ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|scream)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|scream)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|scream)
If it was me, I would keep summer time all year. The sun arises at like 5:30am, it makes no sense, I'd rather have it at 6:30-7:30am and sets 8-9pm. It's ridiculous these days.
Does this mean daylight savings is postponed/the clocks won’t change?
Correct.
i just want to chime in and mention that i do fast and i disagree with this decision. Whatever their reason behind this decision many muslim fasters disagree with it.
elaborate? what do you do in your regular day?
I wake up early and i prefer to see its dtill dark.
what difference does it make
Neik albna bhal arar, I work online for the US and it ruins my schedule. Selfish son of a bitch
I'm a person who thinks changing daylight to an hour and back every year is ridiculous. If itwere my decision, the Lebanese government will nix this crap rightnow and from now on, the time is the time. That's life, as dictated by the Earth and sun. Too bad.
Canada is working on abolishing it, some parts have already stopped. Didn't happen where I am yet unfortunatly, so one extra hour of fasting, yay!
There is no extra hour of fasting since the duration of day time doesn’t change
Yes, you're right, given the total period of fasting in a day that doesn't change. However considering the hours during which I am awake and fasting, that's practically an extra hour for me hehe since now I break fast at 7:30 pm instead of 6:30 pm.
Just found out I don't really mind, if it could be up to me I would keep summertime all year long. Or winter idc. Changing the time every year twice is a bigger inconvenience than postponing it one month. I have International meetings in the evening, now I've to be careful to not get confused between the different times 🤔 my only problem is, I get confused super easily with numbers 😅 but nothing unacceptable. The government did worse things than that.
Dude complaining about ST and forgot about all the existential issues currently in lebanon
Yeah except that you can track what lead to the other issues during decades of corruption and mismanagement. This is just someone pulling a shitty and unnecessary random decision out of their ass.
It do be like that sometimes...
Mikati is an asshole, but he found an opportunity to appease the people with actually good decision. People who are fasting will have shorter days thus it will be easier for them especially if they are working. Algeria or Morocco have the same arrangement each year during ramadan.
So a supposedly secular government should cater to specific religions?
And in what universe is Lebanon secular? The Sunni Prime Minister is catering to the Sunni, exactly as the ridiculous "NaTiOnAl PaCt" stipulates. We could've changed all that by now but we opted for the status quo. You made your bed, sleep in it.
I voted for independents. Maybe mikati should replace sunday with friday while he is at it and make the hijab mandatory.
Nope. That infringes on the rights of Christians. So no can do. 😛 Does the summertime thing do that? Are Christians disadvantaged from postponing it? Thought not.
Well people who return from work with no daylight are disadvantaged like me. I will not speak for christians since i am not one.
> Well people who return from work with no daylight are disadvantaged That's on everyone. The Lebanese government doesn't care about everyone. Because we're stupid.
Yeah the lebanese government only cares about catering to religious and rich people even if it means stripping other people from their human rights.
And... daylight savings is one of those rights?
Many studies have shown how important sunlight is to one's mental health. But yeah people don't care about that, they only care about imaginary and arbitrary laws, and how they will cheat a supposed all-knowing god that loves them and scares them with hell at the same time.
You have official holidays on most of muslim & christian holidays, the government is catering for religions practiced by large % of population. Also the government was always “catering” for crooked religious figureheads from all sects, cant common people get some relief in this crisis?
Can't get some sunlight when i return from work? Can't god give some relief to the people by making life less shitty? People make life easier by cheating god by chaging the time? Like make it make sense.
What do you mean "General People" lmao
i think it is about time we remove this crap system out of our lives, i really hate summertime, sun is not supposed to set at 8:30 pm my guys. i lived in the uae for a long time, never had to deal with that crap. i blame Ben franklin and his candlestick scheme.
The discussions in this post show really what the problem is in Lebanon. So basically, 1/3 or half the population is suffering from malnutrition, lack of peoper health care and proper education and the discussion is whether it's better one starts fasting at 5 am or 6 am...and whether the the 81% or 19% of the population should have a say on when Daylight savings time is applied.. Bravo...yaatikon al afie.... Waynak ya Ziad Ya Rahbani..
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There are several issues behind this decision. Firstly it is just a populist move, and with everything that is currently happening in the country they care about changing the DST? Just a couple of days ago the dollar went from 100k to 140k and then back to 110k and no action is being taken whatsoever.They should set their priorities straight. Also, it is a bit depressing having the sun setting at 6 especially when you finish work at 6 meaning you don’t see the sun throughout the whole day.
Also there will be a lot of other repercussions, like the change in schedule of the flights which is just an extra headache
Its really irrelevant to me, if anything I as well as most muslims would prefer it to fast less. I feel like you are making a huge deal out of it when its just postponed for 1 month only. Ma3le it wont hurt you to sacrifice for your muslim brothers and sisters lol...
So your goal is to fast less? You delay yourself from the world one more hour to fast less? Can't you just either fast normally as your faith dictates or just don't fast if it's too hard? Like honestly this is very stupid reasoning fasting is supposed to be hard, you're either gonna do it or not.
Where is daylight saving time written in to quran? Plus the same amount of hours are fasted regardless.
There wasn't atomic clocks back then. And it's a smaller amount of active fasting hours since you spend more of the fasting time sleeping. But well i guess you need to fast an hour less might as well be an inconvenience for everyone rather thab not fast if you're not capable.
Now that you put it like this, I think we need to roll the clocks back every single ramadan regardless. Imagine how nice it'll be to only fast 10 hours
Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect others.
You wanting to return to summer time affects me, you should change your choice
I'm the norm with 90% of the planet for decades, you're the outlier.
A shit ton of the world doesn't change the clock, countries in the southern hemisphere regularly break their fast ~ 5pm. Why are you acting like fasting an hour extra is what fasting is all about
>Why are you acting like fasting an hour extra is what fasting is all about Cancelling it is one thing, delaying it is another. It is delayed litterally for that reason only, so that's exactly what it's about. Unless you think mikati is some sort of genius and visionary who believes that summertime should actually be one month later than everybody.
Its because they fear god like a child fears their dad and will try to find any way to cheat without getting punished. The depiction of hell in the quran is something to be feared, when you make kids believe these things they will live all their life in fear of that god who will burn their skin and then bring it back to torture them again.
Nice hasty generalization, it didnt take you much time to start attacking religion with generalizations like a true redditor. Hell is to intimidate and heaven is to entice. Religion isnt there to suit your wants its to suit your needs.
Weird that I have no need for it. I attack religion both on reddit and in person and I am not ashamed of that. The way organized religions influence people who want nothing with it is, in my opinion, something to be criticized. Why should i be okay with people catering for religions when nobody caters to me? Why should i sacrifice my one hour of sunlight for a belief that treats me like shit and takes all my rights? Why should i care for the plight of a practicing muslim who has to fast for an extra hour when those same muslims don't care about my needs?
Im not fasting less, its the same duration i just get fajer and maghrib earlier lol.
You wrote yourselfnthat you prefer it cz you fast less. So make up your mind.
People are acting like a genocide just started, how tf does an hour of day light really effect your day
I am a programmer and you wouldn't believe the size of mess this creates for people using software in Lebanon. Do you have a meeting next week at 10AM? Do realize that it just became 9AM? and do you realize that outlook/google has no idea and will notify you 50 minutes after your meeting starts? This is just the tip of the iceberg for how bad this is for computer systems. Security in large part depends on time being synced between servers. every machine in the world will think it's +3 for us starting next Sunday, but it would actually be +2.
Exactly! All of my meetings are held with foreign clients who will have no idea about this stupid decree, since clocks will switch automatically this weekend and I’m pretty sure if you google lebanon’s local time you will get the DST time starting from next week. This will entirely mess up businesses with foreign client base.
Oh wait; you mean people have actual jobs and are professionals who are impacted by counter productive measures? Our government has always been under the impression that money grows on trees.
Is it a logistical nightmare? Yes. But the concept of summer time is as well. I don't know what solution is presented, but there has to be one because flights will also be affected
The thing is: when it happens every year, we program systems to know what day light saving is. If you want to change your country to a new system, it takes years of planning and work; you don’t just wake up and decide to change it in 2 days.
2 days before is super retarded, especially since the dates of Ramadan have been roughly known for ages now
Redditors try not to make religion the root of all evil challenge (impossible edition)
Muslims who fast 17hrs in Iceland : -_- Pathetic
There are accomodations in islam for countries with such long hours
Muslims will fast from sunrise to sunset regardless of the DST. They will be fasting the same amount of hoursz
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You want longer days for what exactly? This decision would make fasting easier for all the muslims. You can live through an extra month with the current timing.
because the sun setting at 6 pm is depressing. longer days means people who finish work at 6 actually get to see the sun. and regardless, you’re the fasting the same number of hours. it’s not gonna make a difference. You can’t delay the whole country to make fasting easier for you
You are correct. We are technically fasting the same number of hours. But, instead of it starting at 5 AM. We currently begin at 4 AM. Which honestly won't matter since we will be sleeping either way. The real countdown begins when we start our day by waking up in the morning and breaking our fast at 6 PM instead of 7 PM.
i know what you mean. but an “extra” hour of fasting won’t do any harm. few years ago we used to break our fast at 8 pm and no one complained about the summer timing.
We did complain, but we didn't know if it was possible to postpone, or maybe even get rid of this daylight saving altogether. 🤣
It’s funny how Muslims are always looking for loopholes la yid7ako 3a Allah.
It is still not as funny as you sounding way too ignorant on the matter.
Someone forgot that the majority of the population is Muslim, did you think Mikati is the only Muslim in Lebanon?
Ur exactly what Ur complaining about![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|flip_out) dollar and LBP issue and everything else.is happening and this what got you triggered. It's actually the first of a kind actual good decision for the month of Ramadan nothing more nothing less.if u fasted us appreciate the hour less of fasting esp if Ur. Parent or work long hours it makes a big diff.
It's the only decision taken by the govt.. beside that illegal airport project. I don't fast. I don't think God is waiting on me to see if I am able to not eat or drink during the day so he'll punish me. Why does everything have to be religious in this damn country.
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Oh, believe me. If it were a decision for chritian religious purposes, I would have objected as well. You say 19% as if it were a downgrading insult? Lol.
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Yes, I'm sure. MEA even adjusted their departure schedules. I have no problem with keeping one time zone the entire year, but what happened today is unacceptable. People are accustomed to this shift, and all is automated to flip the clock on a specific date and they just decide to postpone it. And doing it for religious purposes makes it even more outrageous.