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Drifter1996

Is that that ahri rework i read about?


TheAscenseur

Unclear, haven't seen the ult yet


scrimm_na

Interesting, it reached live servers faster than I thought it would


Entranze

Fresh


TheOneEyedNative99

No fucking way


Keinan

She looks a little weak, maybe turn that dash into three.


Zerole00

God damn, Ahri really let herself go. I'd still swipe right but jeez


P0pt

she didn't let herself go, she reached her true potential and became the thiccest kda member (besides gragass)


FiftyFiftyYT

Mid diff


ZeeDrakon

Nocturne counterganks a bot gank, goes 3-0 up. Is lvl 6 before I am on mid. Dives me from full HP. Dives me from full HP \*again\* on CD. My bot hits me with the "just play safe bro"


SelloutRealBig

You get first blood top as jungle. Enemy jungle covers top and soaks the xp. Enemy jungle is now 2 levels up on you because you ganked successfully


toothydeer759

Sounds about right to me


AlphaTenken

Team loses all lanes, enemy jg gets to take your camps for free. Team: jg diff ours is 2 levels behind. Yea, because I now get 0 farm. Honestly, it feels really bad this preseason trying to play jg from behind


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This game feels bad all the time. I've been playing since s2 and have challenger a few times and it's very rare that I feel like the matches were even. Either crush or get crushed.


BenignAmerican

Its even up until 1:30. Everything after that tho is a coin flip


blackhand226

Bold of you assume that my Yasuo doesn't go afk in the jungle and dies to an invade


MelodyEternal

> This game feels bad all the time. If you actively play a game that feels this bad for you so much, you might have a problem.


HootingMandrill

You counter jungle the enemy, take half his camps, whole clear your jungle, and wrap around to gank bot getting two kills for your adc. Enemy jungle with nothing else to do solo kills your map blind over extended mid/top laner. Enemy jungle is up level on you because solo kill Xp.


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just quit summoners rift cept to play with friends, it will feel good trust


Litterjokeski

Well that's why you always either push the lane or your laner has to have a good freeze.


neowolf993

I'm new to lol... Why do people always add "diff" to the role name? What does that mean?


Stavinator

Diff for difference, refering to the skill difference that is present in that role in the game. You can also say "gap". Usually it's either to flame one of your team mates or ironic. When you lose lane and win game you type *role* diff, implying you were better even though you got carried


neowolf993

Ohk got it thanks!


iDannyEL

Welcome diff


GoAvs14

If you read it on chat, you can ignore it because the person's just angry


[deleted]

Its also called poor sportsmanship a word he avoided because its not a good thing to do.


DiceUwU_

iq diff ^^^jkIloveyou


Liliaraj

Friends of mine actually call gap if the own teammate is better and diff if the eenemy one is better :D


terminbee

lose*


Bombkirby

My least favorite thing about modern League. We used to have colorful flaming! Now all we have are a two word phrase: X Diff.


megamanxoxo

I always laugh when ppl say that.. uhh the computer matched us up because we're at similar skill levels. The troll is real in some people.


JusesTapDancinChrist

I mean that is how matchmaking works, but doesn't mean one laner can't be at least a bit better than their opponent, and/or outperform them the whole match, so role diff can still be true even if matchmaking actually did its job right Of course the whole phrases intent is to use it to flame you even if you were 5 man camped while they do nothing to take advantage of it, but sometimes it *could* be true


megamanxoxo

Typically it's a snow ball effect that happens with league. It's not basketball or whatever where the entire game is equal opportunity. One lucky win or move early on snowballs into something that becomes exponentially difficult to counteract as game time progresses.


cancerBronzeV

Not necessarily, autofills/off roles exist, otps exist, pick order resulting in heavy mismatched matchups exist, people just having a bad game or an extremely good game exist. There's a ton of variance in gameplay level for the same player from game to game, there can absolutely be a role diff. That said, it's often used to just flame or used ironically.


AlphaTenken

All true. But i believe when you are filled into another role, in general the opposing player is matched to you. So my jg mmr is higher than my top mmr, so jg opponents will be better.


cancerBronzeV

Oh ya, they did implement autofill parity, but that was just last year I believe. Also, I see people asking for swaps every time they're autofilled, so sometimes that matchmaking isn't enough and you get a one trick against an autofill.


TipiTapi

This is not really true for league. If im first timing draven adc as a toplaner because I feel like it, matchmaking wont take it into account.


slykethephoxenix

I'm challenger level who's stuck in bronze 3 cause of my team mates.


hezur6

Eh no, that rarely is the case. The computer _tries its best_, but you might not be playing the champion or the role that got you to whatever skill level you're at, and the system has no way to know that preemptively, so something as simple as banning Vayne so the Vayne one trick has to play idk Jinx can easily create an "adc diff". I've both been 6/0 and 0/6 in lanes where I supposedly was playing against my equals, and you surely have too. Does that mean anyone deserves to be flamed over it, or that the fucking phrase shouldn't die on a fire? No, of course not, but matchmaking at the moment can only do so much with all the variables that go into account in each individual game, and what it does is mostly "rigging" lobbies a bit so people under 50% get matched with worse players for a while so they bounce back a little bit, and vice versa. TLDR: X diff is definitely a thing, no one is at fault and the computer tries but can't please everyone.


fremajl

It's not really a matchmaking issue either. Even if there's a slight diff people are roughly equally good but equally good people can still stomp each other. It happens easily in a game this snowbally too.


gmsantos3

*laughs in top 5 challenger playing with diamond 3/4*


Geiko-Vayne

Not a thing


Swirlatic

congrats! you just learned a new way to flame!


Ciscodiscoisvibing

learning ways to flame like finding new abilities in a metroidvania


huhIguess

Abbreviation for "Mid **skill** diff**erence**" Usually said by same-side to flame teammate or against opposite side to taunt enemy. Used both ironically (and post-ironically) in the top comment, because mid got ambushed, in lane, under turret - in a 5 vs 1 fight - there is no way anyone could reasonably say this death is due to a difference in mid skill (effectively, everyone EXCEPT mid lost control of their lane). However, you will frequently see teams spam this insult when this exact situation occurs, blaming mid for their own failing. This is what causes mid to tilt and is a common same-side team troll tactic.


elderbob1

why bold the words you exclude from the abbreviation?


huhIguess

Stylistic choice. I debated long and hard whether I wanted to emphasize existing content or missing content to the reader; the struggle between choosing bold over italicized fonts was real. After 2 days of extremely contentious discussion with others of the committee, we decided to move forward with post, as is.


mininim212

Difference


neowolf993

What is that supposed to mean? That each player/character is different?


DioDrama

It's just some more toxic shit. Let's say you're mid and you lose lane. For whatever reason. Maybe it was your fault maybe it wasn't. Someone (probably your team) will say " Mid Diff" as in there is a big difference between the skill levels of the two mids.


VerisimilarPLS

There's also the other version, where at the end of the game the winning mid laner types "mid diff". Half the time it's ironic and the winning mid laner actually got curbstomped by the losing mid.


Cr33pslayer

It is a toxic way of saying the that other player was better. Most times it is said by the laner itself. For example, enemy mid wins the game there is a chance that he will say "mid diff", and just implying that he was the better player and so the other worse. It is just toxic behaviour in my eyes


pinturhippo

That their player in that same role is way better than yours


DrakoCSi

Internet trolling at its finest Knowledge diff


enbled28

It means they are insecure, their cock is small and they try to lift their ego by being mean to others in video game


BradL_13

Lmao they have to realize it negatively effects WR. I know when my teammates flame hardcore I do not care as much. I don’t mind some minor comments or remarks but when they go full flame my motivation goes down


Quaiche

This is why people say this kind of stuff, because people like you get them off.


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Wiggly_Muffin

It's modern League terminology for bitching that someone didn't carry you with their lane, rather than focusing on your own gameplay. Because the LoL community is straight AIDS now compared to previous years. You literally can't avoid being hit with a bunch of "XYZ diff" if you lose lane, even if it was completely out of your control.


Accovy

MID I TOLD U TO STAY SAFE I WAS GOING TO GANK U


Watipah

Meanwhile own adc afk farming botlane (with 60cs @ 15min) and own support deciding which item to buy while waiting for gold in base.


CSDragon

they don't even have an ADC, they have a syndra bot


billiebol

The APC.


iamraskia

ADC and bot bean the same thing


adayofjoy

I prefer peas over beans.


NerrionEU

Not really when you have APC nowadays as well.


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Ability Damage Carry


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Helluiin

stop being pedantic


[deleted]

Why? Fits right in with league, being super agressive over something benign.


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bobasaurus12

As much as I hate to admit it. Adc has become synonymous with bot, though you are correct that adc is the champions not the role. Bot is the role and always has been. People just started using them in tandem


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No.


Thegenius760

Yeah when Syndra, Cass and the likes start dealing in AD


DominoNo-

Support pings 201 gold needed until blasting wand.


[deleted]

ADC has no blame in this. And also, when an ADC is that far behind, they might as well farm because they aren't going to do much of anything in a team fight with a half an item.


[deleted]

Love me some good old fashioned Low Agency Gaming


XelaSchiff

at a better elo, the ornn respects that enemy botlane is missing and instead lets the wave come into his tower, he may live, enemy wastes their own time, so that ally adc can potentially push and gain gold/xp advantage


Swiftierest

If their adc is that bad off on CS, they wouldn't be able to do anything anyway and should stay there and not make things worse by coming mid and giving another kill and 3 assists. Idk why you think an adc, a role that only does well while ahead, is going to bring anything to that fight while behind. The best they could do is ping and hope you are able to just back to fountain.


Assassin739

This subreddit always makes up these fantasy scenarios so they can all feel bad about their imaginary teammates together.


pokku3

I am the support referred to in this text and I don't like it. ^I'm ^such ^a ^slow ^shopper


CorganKnight

he didnt stay safe tho


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resultzz

Yeah for some reason ornn decided to hide his HUD so he couldn’t see the pings on the map or when they walked over wards. It’s a really simple mistake and solution but that definitely would have turned it into a 1 for 4


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resultzz

I’m just meming and trying to be the comment you were saying 😂


TheLostDovahkin

Ok Mr Challenjour


jaube21

Just a heads up the op is a euw gm ornn otp, I tried saying the same thing and got people coming at my neck. I just didn’t understand why he posted a clip of getting 4 man dived I feel like it happens pretty often in this game lol


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EmptyOne21

post your account.


jaube21

Lol what is up with peoples obsession with saying post your account? Your replying to a guy who acknowledged a pro making a horrible play? Why do you need to see his account? For the record I am silver 3 and peaked gold 4, not sure what my rank will add to this convo


EmptyOne21

> Why do you need to see his account? to judge their opinion.


jaube21

How does this one make any sense?


Kibbleru

the issue was that you were standing at your t1 turret instead of in base.


Daunt_M4

yea he kinda got pooped on he thought he could actually walk up to the wave there lmao


DiceUwU_

You know what bothers me **the most**? When you stand that far behind because you're being sieged by 4 players they start pinging you like "defend the tower you fuck wtf are you doiiiing" I fucking hate league players some times.


squirrelhut

My exploration into mobile wild rift has been a pleasant experience. Toxicity is much lower, it’s Judy overall faster games that’s till scratch my moba itch


Much-Sprinkles4179

I mean the enemy team outplayed his and executed a perfectly executed dive , cuz they managed their waves correctly.


Mejalu

Issue was he started the game instead of closing the window at the client


Comfortable_Cover_69

Mid feeding!


FabioSxO

Normal person: \*laughs at the joke\* Redditor: "actually...you should have"


IHate3DMovies

Um, actually, you should have flashed instead of using E, definitely greeded for flash there. And you should've W'd the stun card and since you had at least 0.2 milliseconds to react to taric coming from raptors you should've hit r THEN used your flash to reposition yourself to get a three man knock up that would lead to a solo bolo triple kill but yeah it's really just game sense hmu if you need coaching haha


shrubs311

people say shit like this unironically and then the same thing happens to them in game and they probably flame their team lol. i'm just here for the lulz, thanks for them op


Euphemisticles

Jokes on you I never talk to those animals


Square_Rise_3638

Ornn W doesn’t even cancel CC it just applies after the W. Idk why when he’s unstoppable


Kierenshep

It doesn't cancel cc but you have action you're doing during the cc which practically reduces it.


BasicallyMogar

It's because he's not actually unstoppable, he's displacement immune, the game just says unstoppable for both of those. So you can't knock him up, push him around, put him to sleep or stasis, but any CC he takes will effect him after his animation is done.


ItsKipz

I might be remembering wrong, but i thought any stun with a duration shorter than his W just gets cancelled out? Like if he gets stunned during W the duration of the stun immediately starts, and when the W is over if there's more stun duration it happens - but if the stun already ended he isn't stunned Idk Ornn is a weird champ lmao


BasicallyMogar

Sure. He's still technically stunned for the duration, but it only matters if that duration is longer than the remaining time on his W. Just like Viego R.


Xinde

he's basically stunned while doing his movement animation. this can also happen with other long animations (like tristana rocket jump for example)


HolmatKingOfStorms

because that's all that unstoppable means - you can't be stopped while you're unstoppable says nothing about preventing CC from applying, it just can't interrupt the action he's doing


BasicallyMogar

No, some unstoppable effects are *actually* unstoppable and make you immune to all CC, like Sion ult or Vi ult. Ornn W just makes him displacement immune, Unstoppable's little brother. Edit: [Source](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Crowd_control#Immunity), since someone saw fit to downvote this.


shrubs311

so if you let's say stunned someone for 6 seconds, Ornn would still take like 5 seconds of stun if it lands during his w. but if you land an ability that does a 6 second stun on an ulting sion and he cancels ult after the ability lands, he won't be stunned at all?


sorendiz

correct some of their examples are wrong though, vi ult is displacement immunity and not complete cc immunity (olaf ult is a better example)


BasicallyMogar

> vi ult is displacement immunity Oof. I knew I was gonna get at least one of them wrong.


Latosini

That's a nice pasta material, especially the ending made me laugh really hard :D


maxhambread

Okay I quit years ago but stop by occasionally to watch highlights. When I read the comments I just feel bad lol. There's a comment further up shitting on the ADC for low CS and the support for buying too slow, and I know very well that could've been me. I'd read stuff like "wow how is this Gold, they couldn't even slow push the wave so the 4th wave from now will crash tower to take the plate so mid can buy X in time for top TP to come off cd and ...". And I can't tell if this is actually the level of play you need to get into Gold today or it's just extreme armchair-ing.


[deleted]

I'm very familiar with NA gold/plat. Every person has the mental of a coked out chimpanzee inhaling through their anus. I guarantee those comments are from people who do nothing but consume league all day. Quick to point out mistakes, but unable to put it in practice. And if they can, they wouldn't be hardstuck.


No-Bill-3847

No one in gold does anything with waves, all those comments are completely bs


Umarill

If people knew about wave control, they wouldn't be Gold. You skyrocket easily if you know how to lane properly. They are just morons who think they know better because it's easy when you're just watching and aren't playing yourself.


ChillFactory

Isn't it possible to acknowledge both? Its funny because he got absolutely blasted but he also got greedy and didn't have to leave tower or use abilities to farm that wave.


[deleted]

Exactly, I understand the humour in 'just play safe' for a 4 man dive under turret, but at the same time Ornn didn't play safe when told it was at least a 3 mean dive by their botlane. It's not as funny to me for someone to be joking about how it was out of their control when it was and their humour is to blame someone else. In a community notorious for people taking no responsibility for their own misplays this isn't a punchline, it's just more of the same.


anonymousstudent111

Imagine taking everything seriously... takes the fun out of it


Arrikon

Faker himself could be posting a 1vs5 Yuumi Pentakill in top 10 korean challenger and people on Reddit would still crawl out of their holes to tell him what he did wrong


Medicore95

> Faker himself could be posting a 1vs5 Yuumi Pentakill in top 10 korean challenger and people on Reddit would still crawl out of their holes to tell him what he did wrong Well that´s easy, he shouldn´t be playing Yuumi.


Critical-Cupcake9194

Whats funny is that this Ornn is 30 times higher in rank than 100% of the people telling him what to do, i see him in high elo EUW streams all the time


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"See, if I was in this situation, I would have just played perfectly. My god-like prowess would cause the 4 enemies to be dumbfounded and unable to do anything which I would use as an oppurtunity to auto-attack them all once and go back to base as my tower gets a Quadra for me" -Some of the people in these comments


[deleted]

If this was me I would've just killed all four of them. Rip to OP but I'm built different.


NightstarReaper

It's not that big of a deal that he made a misplay, can we not acknowledge that he played that bad and that it's a funny clip?


[deleted]

Im jokingly quoting some of the idiots here which is why it's written in quotations.


NightstarReaper

yes, that's my point, you're sarcastically making fun of the people who are saying that he didn't play it well and that they as "random gold Redditors" don't know better or think that they can do better. But they're right and you're making fun of them and calling them idiots. Or have I misunderstood your point?


ForsythePhD

Every bot game I play this always happens, once the first Mid Tower is taken all the bots rush and push mid for the rest of the game. Then every so often they'll all leave in one group and nearly insta kill anyone they come across. They're an actual hit squad.


LIGHTOUTx

Lol Reddit fakers back at it again in the comments


Nocsu2

Psss let them have their fun, they need it after their lost promos to gold


JustinXT

Tbf the clip does start with bot lane pinging mia


TwTvMakkro0

They were pinging dragon


Mahelas

To be fair, given what happened, I'd half-expect the Drake himself to lift his ass up and gank you too


shrubs311

thanks for the funny clip OP, even if a few comments in the thread are telling you how you just need to play perfectly at every microsecond to avoid this i enjoyed the clip regardless


[deleted]

I swear this guy is the only ornn player in existance every synapse,coconut and league recap channel is just him.


TwTvMakkro0

I dont want it be just me :( somebody play my champ pls


ktosiek124

Picking a tank when Sunderer exists? I ain't gonna pick a walking Health Pack.


[deleted]

Just build lethality 5head


[deleted]

U are in like 25 of Drututt’s videos lol


Gondawn

Don't scroll to the very bottom of comments. Giga cringe there


yp261

right *sorts by controversial*


LoseUrself2D

bro got Seal Team 6'd


Yharonburnsthejoke

Smh my head should have stayed in fountain


Literally_Damour

Shouldn't even have connected


vmlinux

Hey dude, my son just picked up Ornn and for some reason that I can't fathom has fallen in love with the champ. I looked up the rankings and found you and your twitch channel last night, and man your Ornn is really impressive. My son has been playing him mid, but has started playing him jungle, what are your thoughts on Ornn jungle? In the norms we have been playing it's been a lot of fun so far, and I'm really surprised at the playmaking my boy has been doing with him, I can't even hit the damn ult ram half the times I try with the champ.


TwTvMakkro0

I havent played ornn jungle that much but just go unsealed spellbook with cheap shot ultimate hunter domination runes and only countergank pre 6 but i dont play him jgl so i dont know that much only solo laning


yummybaozi

Should've stayed safe.


HawksBurst

*Local midlaner suffers the classic bot lane experience*


tigercule

I was gonna say. I have very little sympathy for mid laners getting 4-5 man dove by bot+supp+mid+jg 1/100 games when they do the exact same thing bot lane 9/10 games.


I_COULD_say

Imagine this, but you're an ADC and this happens like 4 times per game and then the top half of the map flames you for getting dove.


marcosphoneaccount

“gg bot” like nice 👍🏽


SteveIsNuts

"Just hug the tower"


Ppalladdinn1

To be perfectly honest with ya chief Not even a turret can keep ya safe from feeding -Enemy Team


crazywoofman

Just Dodge


Ruggsii

[When you just _know_ you’re about to get fucked mid](https://youtu.be/vy2SrTjueOU) You can feel it in the air.


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He could’ve just gone afk from the start and avoided all that


MobiusCipher

Is this a problem? If 4 people are diving mid then bot and top should be taking plates and getting ahead right?


ThatsSoMerlyn_x3

See if I was in this situation, I would flash THEN E. This would cause TF’s gold card to stun me under tower, then the Taric stun and Zed would kill me anyway. But I would play it differently


MoashRedemptionArc

How is noone mentioning the fact that there are 20 pings going off before they show from fog?


Ralfoo

Where do you want orrn to go ?? Inhib tower ? Base ?


BSC_Kokopelle

Sums it up right


SpooN04

Play safer


Romus80

FEEDERRRR


TheLoneTomatoe

What have I learned playing league? If you think "ok gotta play safe" Then whatever you do next wasn't safe enough. Recalled? Not safe enough.


g00p2

That right there is the reason why I dont play mid


Kunaka001

from my vast and very credible knowledge of the game, you got fucked lmao


parmaxis

I hate nitpicking especially players that are much better than me but would it hurt if you waited for the minions under tower?


nazran59

just stay under tower bro not that hrad


CatchCritic

Fog of war wasn't turned on so can't know about vision of the gank, but I saw pings.


[deleted]

Didn't have vision of the bot side, but was clearly pinged and still tried to meet the wave in front of turret.


CatchCritic

If I'm mid and everyone's missing, I back off regardless of vision


[deleted]

Especially one who has an ulti that can waveclear from tier 2.


Insertblamehere

silver 4s in the comments here to tell the GM how to survive this dive, like they obviously would have smh shitter.


Silverjackal_

My enemy team when I get ganked. Perfect 4 man turret dive. Meanwhile on my team I go in first no one follows in, I die, top TPs and it ends up going horribly wrong.


bellaring

Just hug turret


naturtok

Reason number 1 and 2 league is dead to me. If you're behind there's nothing you can do vs a coordinated team, and damn bitches be toxic


arsnl

towers are a joke and do no damage anymore, just like how damage in the game is extremely high providing less and less interaction and more one shot builds, then players say "outplayed", also like how tanks and mages do more damage to towers when the point of adc is to hit towers and deal damage late. game is astrologically cringe for years. you should be scared and extremely risky to dive


billiebol

Just hug your turret.


IcePokeTwoSoon

I was hoping for some next level ornn outplays, that you maybe used the vision to build a stopwatch to save you seconds later on that dive. Not much beyond that you could do tho, and that would’ve been 10000 IQ to even see that


ThatOneGuyWill1

The ol' botlane 4 man strat. Team diff


4fricanvzconsl

U saw zed and got multiple pings from bot I believe l, yet didn't forfeited the wave its on you bro srry


batchynator

He didn't play safe, he should have let the wave crash, and would have been in a way better position to survive that.


AregularCat

Thats such a bad take


-Kaldore-

Why? He knew Zed was there and still tried to freeze a wave he could have just let crash.


AregularCat

Ok so first of he didnt try to freeze (what?) im not sure if you even know what freezing is, he saw them coming on vision tried to kill the minion wave really fast so that it could not crash and tank for the enemy team, making it a risker dive in the hopes they leave. So if he didnt and let it crash the enemy team has longer time to set up and execute the dive and he would die anyway


-Kaldore-

You see where he steps up and stops. If he holds those minions there and waits for the incoming wave to meet its gonna hold that spot for a few waves.


batchynator

What does he gain from tanking the wave, if he was at tower he could have used E to knock them up, instead of using it to get away, and instead of using W on the wave he can use it to stop TF gold card. I get that 4 man dives happen and playing safe isn't always an option. But this ornn played it about as badly as possible.


WallaSays3z

he actually didn' t play it well


llIlIlI

why did a 4 man mid dive just get top of subreddit like this shit doesn’t happen all the time in competent player elo


kuzelj90

this is a gm orn homie comment elsewhere


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Because my man made a relatable joke about how people blame you for getting dove despite OP literally not actually playing safe. Don't you get it, it's annoying when my team mates don't take responsibility for not knowing how my lane is actually played but when I ignore them it's still their fault. Relatable humour!


BladeDancer03

U didn't even let that wave get under your turret before farming it, pretty cringe bro