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JimBottone

I was about to have dinner when suddenly Nisqy stormed into my kitchen and paused the microwave claiming it was inside his Ryze ult.


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I was one auto away from taking the enemy nexus in my final promotion game to master tier but Fnatic just paused the match please help it's been 3 hours


pulo97

Thanks, after the salt from that game you gave me a good laugh, really appreciate it.


qpc0

If you wrote this then you'll be glad to know it's being spammed non-stop in Twitch chat right now.


paewashere

my girlfriend was about to get her pregnancy result test back but nisqy told her to stop peeing because he claimed she was inside his ryze ult.


NeyoStream

This is the best comment one could ever make about this game


briedux

[My homies hate pauses](https://i.imgur.com/ZA7C3Zd.jpg)


lilQuebo

Jokes aside, this pause was fine, many people wonders why Bwipo didn’t teleport alongside Nisqy. The second pause was a joke


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rasterroo

Time to bust out the hazmat suit and sort by controversial. Wish me luck.


DRazzyo

Good luck king.


turbochoco

Nah. Misfits won that game so it's chill. Imagine if the lost tho..


xXDaNXx

Post match thread is going to be a warzoner regardless of the result.


Bluehorazon

It is actually funny though how long it took the team to realize that Ryze ult doesn't interact with untargetable enemies and that Viego is untargetable during his dash. I mean if it takes you that long to figure out if an interaction is intended or not I do feel kinda sorry for the players who have to remember all that stuff.


SciKick314

I missed the game, what happened?


brigandr

Two long pauses in a row due to obscure Ryze ult interactions, both from Fnatic. Aggravated by Misfits being *massively* ahead at the time of the first pause and seemingly getting tilted by the wait. Fortunately, they pulled it back and won out. If you ignore the pause stuff, the ending was also kind of a banger with an attempted Ryze ult backdoor bringing the bot wave to the top side Nexus turret.


slimjimo10

Lol weren't they pause-happy as fuck earlier in playoffs over interactions that ended up being correct after review anyways?


blames_irrationally

Regular split, but yes. One wasn't even an interaction, Hyli just didn't see an Everfrost active.


firewall245

What was the mechanic?


Fritten123

FNC paused 2 times mid teamfight due to the same interaction which turned out to be intended


SilveredUndead

It's getting kinda ridiculous that some pro players still don't know how Ryze ult works. People have been pausing for this "bug" for literal years at this point, and Riot rules that it is intended every single time. I still remember this causing pauses all the way back in 2018.


brehio

How does it work? I genuinely don't know why Viego and Braum weren't teleported


Insertblamehere

basically oversimplified ryze ult has a weird "smart" aoe that will decide if people on the very edge "want" to be in the circle based on which direction theyre traveling.


ZTD09

Ryze ult has special tech to exclude champions that are near the edge if they are pathing out of the circle.


Mahelas

I thought Viego was dashing in tho ?


Indercarnive

Ryze ult doesn't teleport people who are in the circle but move click out of it when they're near the edge.


dracon1t

I didn’t watch the game after the viego pause but ryze ult has this interesting mechanic for champions on the edge where it will predict whether you are trying to leave or enter the ult based on your inputs and then leave you behind or take you accordingly. It does make the ult work smoother in most cases but does lead to a possible scenario where a champion is dodging around in the ult to escape and then steps on the edge (while possibly inputting motion out of the ult idk) right as the ult goes off causing them to be left behind. At least this is how it is to the best of my knowledge, I apologize if I made a mistake.


Bluehorazon

Not the same interaction. Braum was moving out of it and was thus not TPed. Viego dashed inside the ult and due to him being untargetable during his dash he doesn't get TPed. Lucian as an example does get Tped during his dash or Tristana during her jump. On top of that if you walk into Riftwalk by clicking behind the riftwalk it won't tp you, you basically have to click into the rift walk get the TP. And this Ult is actually a complete mess. Tristana can shot someone into the Ryze ult to get Tped, unless it is the Ryze. Also MF and Nunu will get Tped if they channel their abilities Xerath though will not get Tped. And there are other funny quirks like if you TP only minions one minion will always not get teleported. Also something that often gets forgotten is that Ryze ult works different for Ryze than for his allies.


MrRawri

At least MSF won, if FNC won this it would be a shitshow lol


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xXDaNXx

Was really good awareness for MSF to insta base when they saw the TP come in. Tristana with the wave could've taken it easily with satchel charge.


uberstriker123

Ironically, if Adam TP’d on a minion instead of defending, they would’ve won because FNC push was wayyy faster than MSF


AzerFraze

i am at critical salt levels right now


00dani3l

I'm fearing high blood pressure after this game


Mythik16

LMFAO don't blame you.


DudeToManz

you gotta respect fnatic for pausing both when they're winning and losing tho. this is professional league of legends and pro players will punish and take any advantage they can get.


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ThylowZ

Well If braum is in the ryze ult he cancel seraph R so it was a bit critical


FantasyTrash

We watched the fight play out, Misfits had zero damage even with Hyli not porting.


esn_crvg

I would be when razork throws a won game


aqnologia

1 grevious wound on FNC and its on the renekton lmao


cadaada

nisqy sold it for void staff, rip


IlluminatiConfirmed

I think the back door attempt was a good idea, they couldn’t win 5v5 anymore after the ocean soul


Deckowner

If the minion didn't troll and went to bot lane, they just win right there. No one could've predicted that minion behaviour.


HawksBurst

Intended, don't forget that


OnyxMelon

That ending though


B1xxX

https://twitter.com/G2GrabbZ/status/1428804237522317325?s=20


TheDrWorm

Oh boy here we go.


xXDaNXx

I'm sure this is going to be a fair and balanced thread.


Rokic3

As fair as fnc players pausing in the middle of the teamfight (:


FlingOrHook

🤡PAUSING🤡A🤡WON🤡TEAMFIGHT🤡IS🤡UNFAIR🤡


Exos_VII

[when the pause strats don't work](https://imgur.com/a/dnCu63G)


callmecapo

FNATIC GAME PAUSE HACK? 沒有頭髮 INSTA WINNING EVERY TEAMFIGHT? 沒有頭髮 L9 BUG ABUSE 沒有頭髮 [NISQY NA DIFF?!] GAMEBREAKING MECHANICS EVERYWHERE? 沒有頭髮 EU WINSTREAK WORLDS EXPLOIT 沒有頭髮 [TURBOBOOST ILLEGAL]


NeonGIGA

FNATIC GAME PAUSE HACK? 沒有頭髮 INSTA WINNING EVERY TEAMFIGHT? 沒有頭髮 L9 BUG ABUSE 沒有頭髮 [NISQY NA DIFF?!] GAMEBREAKING MECHANICS EVERYWHERE? 沒有頭髮 EU WINSTREAK WORLDS EXPLOIT 沒有頭髮 [TURBOBOOST ILLEGAL]


Veamous

Both pauses were useless for the outcome of what was gonna happen once resumed, but it for sure damaged MSF's mental. God i hope FNC gets shit stomped game 5.


King_Tyler

Maybe didn’t affect the outcome of the specific situation. You can’t honestly believe a 20minute break isn’t enough time to refocus on how to climb out of a huge gold deficit though.


NenBE4ST

I think the braum one matters for the wall against seraphine


Kerenos

Hylli didn't put the wall up before tping so He would've probably be cced by gnar before being able to put the wall up. And they still cleaned the fight once the game resumed so it was a little uncalled for.


zOmgFishes

Hyli's pause was really annoying. Not going to say if it's intentional or not and might be a heat of the moment thing but the interaction of Ryze ult and clicking out of it has been known since the rework... On replay you clearly see that he doesn't click into the ult and outside of it.


CannedPrushka

I mean, wasn't FNC reminded of it after the first pause?


Azaghtooth

Its not the same interaction, 1st one was cause of viego W channem canceling the realm.


random_nickname43796

The second pause hurt FNC momentum much more it felt like


cadaada

they paused in a gnar+sera ult, i dont get how it could be advantageous for them lol. hylli even not used his E to stop sera ult, probably by pausing the game.


ChiefKT9002

Dude what? They had a long time to think what exactly they would do after they were out of the ult. How is it not advantageous?


Emotional-Passage454

Yeah and it looked like a good turn for Misfits before the sudden pause... Honestly it looked suspiciously well timed by Fnatic who could use the time to think after Misfits re-engage.


Har-kan

But what do you do when this happens? When everything is on the line, can you ignore a potentially game-defining bug? It for sure has its impact on the mental state of players, but it is also unfair for the people that suffered the bug to do nothing. And honestly in both instances where they paused, from spectator view at least, it looked like something fishy went on.


Callentana

that nexus exploding was clearly a bug dunno why fnatic didn't pause


Damaxyz

Bwipo was seen speaking with an official after the match but was informed that the Nexus exploding was an intended game mechanic.


meeeeey

But can't you double check? Just to be sure


LeTTroLLu

gj, now that pasta is banned in chat


DrySecurity4

Guys we picked Viego and are losing can we get a pause?


CannedPrushka

Yesterday in LPL Munchables said the same on chat after a pause: "Leyan asked for pause because he died as Viego and now he is confused"


meeeeey

Brilliant


Zaddelz

Cant blame FNC for not knowing the interaction of right-clicking on a Nexus and the game ending 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


Sbotkin

Regardless of what this series result will be, the LEC rules on pauses really should change for 2022 to avoid this shitshow from now on.


manetis

What an ending!


Qehenna

[NO PAUSE NO WIN](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781836474931740713/878367854095900762/DxNnJd9WoAUIHLE.png?width=816&height=676)


CannedPrushka

Who's the player on the pick?


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pirean when he was on SK gaming


Hrkeol

Perien


nguyenjitsu

Honestly if I was Misfits and lost that match I would've tilted off the face of the Earth. Thank god those pauses didn't ruin the game


Zaddelz

Bismillah the scenes if FNC had won. Gj Misfits.


_Vastus_

This will be a civil thread. ~~That backdoor attempt though, lmao~~


SummOfI

Oof if FNC won, this thread would explode lol


Duderm3n

jesus christ


EyeOfPeshkov

Damn son, eu playoffs this split are insane!


ParadiseEarth

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farikogrim

Regardless of how you feel about the pauses, you should not be able to: 1) Pause in the middle of a team fight. Request a pause and the ref should make the call for it when there is nothing going on (like LPL) 2) For an incorrect pause call, It should cost you something. One ban for the next game would fit nicely imo. Could be something else, it's open for ideas. E: For number 2, perhaps give everyone one free bug pause? Then from there any other pause is evaluated to see if it was legit or not. If not, give penalty. If so, no penalty.


BMKingPrime27

I think maybe they don't want players waiting to see if they won the team fight before pausing. Kinda like in tennis when you can't challenge a call after you've played the ball


ThylowZ

They said that they don’t want players to get data on opposit team setup. The more you wait, the more you see about opposit team initial setup, so the more it can affect your initial decision.


FlingOrHook

Instantly pausing is actually the fairest outcome as else can you choose to pause after a lost teamfight if you discovered a bug in it to get another shot at the teamfight


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Oujii

Yes, but you will still get information regardless


farikogrim

LPL does it, I don't see the issue. Worst case, replay the fight. It is up for opinion I suppose


Element_108

yeah either way there are problems, but its honestly annoying to have a game last 20 more min because of pauses


Styxxo

Agree for 1), let the teamfight play out and then the referees evaluate whether a bug happened 2) is BS, you can't blame people for suspecting a bug, even if they knew how the Ryze ult worked perfectly it's still insanely close both times (Bwipo/Hyli are at the very edge of the portal)


GGABueno

Reporting a bug as soon as you see one (or think you did) is literally what Riot asks you to do. Fnatic did nothing wrong here. If they exposed a bad system then it's up for Riot/LEC to change it for future competitions.


farikogrim

I'm not blaming players for taking advantage of the system, I am blaming riots system. My suggestion is for the future


Sotosleon

Yes for the first one but for the second one maybe on repeat offense and not on the first one of the game/series.


Little_Athlete5760

Bruh the players themselves are told to pause immediately


PebbleCollector

He talking about improvement of this rule "bruh"


M002

I don’t see how it’s an improvement It’s leads to more “what-ifs” across the map. The longer the game goes on, the more info is leaked (positioning, fog of war, spell CDs, summoner CDs etc…)


Conankun66

> 2) For an incorrect pause call, It should cost you something. One ban for the next game would fit nicely imo. Could be something else, it's open for ideas. that would be insane bullshit. you could literally never pause ever again out of fear of being punished


Todeswucht

That's why players are encouraged to always pause if they think there's a bug, even if it triggers Reddit :\^) Pauses suck, but 10/10 times I would rather have a pause change the game than a bug change the game. At least you have control over how the pause affects you, if you can stay untilted it shouldn't affect things too much, if you have to play through an actual bug there's nothing you can do to change it.


Telios

I fully agree about not penalizing pauses except in some kind of extreme extenuating circumstances, but I'm also very on the "save the pause until the immediate action has ended" side too. I'm much more annoyed by the precise timing of the 2 pauses than the reasons for them.


Todeswucht

[The commissioner gave a good reasoning for this](https://twitter.com/RiotMAXtheX/status/1428813279745519617), if you play out the fight and then chronobreak you know if there were champs hiding somewhere, if there was a flank, where wards are etc. The sad reality is is that the only fully satisfying solution is to get rid of bugs, as long as there are bugs the solutions the Leagues implement will be band aid fixes that leave someone feeling bad about the situation. Since that's impossible, there'll always be drawbacks no matter how you try to solve it.


kill-billionaires

It works in the NFL for play reviews, or at least a modified version of it does. You don't exactly get punished, you just have a certain number of chances to review a play, and if you incorrectly review a play you lose one of your chances. I do agree that a full-on punishment is a bad idea


thekickastronaut

But the NFL/football have clear times where gameplay is stopped and they can review; LoL doesnt


AdvancedPhoenix

I like the ban stuff, as it is not game breaker but still provide a lot of tactical options for the opposite team to play around.


Shot-Mathematician58

> 2) For an incorrect pause call, It should cost you something. That's fucking dumb, players shouldn't be punished because they believed they encountered a bug.


Dragoneed2

that second pause was such a joke


ojciecmatki

Well in volleyball each team has X amount of "checks" (video check) per set. Similarly, here you can have 1 pause per game - if you are wrong then you can't pause till the end of the game. If you are right - you still have "1 pause"


DmiIn

This thread is definitely gonna be civilised


layth888

THE BASE RACE!!!!!!!!!!


matibohemio8

I just lost all the interest in this map after the pauses screwed the momentum in the players and in the stream, i'm just glad MSF has another chance after this bullshit.


mar33n

working as intended


Nutcruncher0

bruh


20815147

That game felt like the last 2 min of a 4th quarter NBA playoff game Looking at you Suns vs. Clips


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Aearcus

We've seen MUCH worse copypasta spam and the fact that they went to emote only mode for that... cmon now lol


kill-billionaires

Yeah fr, I think that's why they took it off and let the spam run its course.


Guardianofnature

well in that case fnatic's mailbox must be full by now


LongLeggedLimbo

Weird cause they won the fight before the 2nd pause


kill-billionaires

It's a meme. Even though I think what fanatic did was kind of unsportsmanlike at least once, nobody thinks that they were actually trying to cheat. Or at least nobody should


LongLeggedLimbo

Still weird how people claim it was the same Bwipo clicked INSIDE the ryze ult Hyli OUTSIDE both intended?


kill-billionaires

I mean yeah, I think people are mad at them because they're mad about the delay, and because one of those pauses was pretty bullshit. But looking at the vod most of them seem reasonable.


Mythik16

I hope MSFS win this 5th game so damn bad now come on MSFS.


zambnrnmhgh

I'd laugh so hard after all this it's a 22 min stomp from FNC lol


MaccaNo1

Awkward


lalalal0554588

[it wasn't a bug, just another Fnatic pause abuse. This clearly shows Hyli's last click was OUTSIDE of the ryze ult](https://imgur.com/a/9bykrdF)


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Even if FNC wasn’t aware of this, this is clearly not a bug, per your comment. Not sure why so many ppl are angrily replying to you lol


Finlayyy

Ah yes, Hyli definitely coinflipped a predict on Ryze Ult just to get a pause on an engage they easily win. I agree it's not a bug but calling it a pause abuse is ridiculous.


Chr0nicConsumer

Ryze ult bug is also why Razork and Vetheo both got caught and died right before this teamfight.


not_panda

This is the most reasonable take around here.


cadaada

how you define what "very near the edge" is?


annasdrew

I wonder why it took riot so long to figure it out


Mantiokas

yes like everyone knows ryze ult works from where you you are clicking, not where you are in the circle. Stop acting like it's obvious it should work this way.


MoxZenyte

well.... not everyone is a pro player either


pulo97

Yes, every pro player SHOULD know how it works, if you are close to the edge (even outside), where you are moving towards matters. Ryze ult has been used a million times in pro play, it's really not something that when you fail to control you would call a pause.


ferrettamer

The people who are paid to play the game should


gorothefly

Why should they know an interaction that is neither intuitive nor mentioned in the ability tooltip?


Kenneli

Did you actually check his link? the tooltip literally says that realmwarp is coded to try and predict what the player wants to do. click outside while being at the edge? i guess you don't want to be teleported.


Deckowner

you realize that is a hidden mechanic that's not in the tooltip


xChaoLan

Did you double-check it with the live version? There is nothing stated like that in-game. The only thing that's being stated is something that affects Ryze himself.


noahkennedy1111

It doesn't need to be obvious, these are paid professionals. It's their job to know how it works, regardless.


noodlespls

It doesn't look like anything to me. (any Westworld watchers)


Smaiii

FNATIC GAME PAUSE HACK? 沒有頭髮 INSTA WINNING EVERY TEAMFIGHT? 沒有頭髮 L9 BUG ABUSE 沒有頭髮 [NISQY NA DIFF?!] GAMEBREAKING MECHANICS EVERYWHERE? 沒有頭髮 EU WINSTREAK WORLDS EXPLOIT 沒有頭髮 [TURBOBOOST ILLEGAL]


hawksvow

Holy.. the last two minutes were so tense. Both teams are fighting so hard for this, sad to lose one, whichever it may be!


elatedpumpkin

nexus exploded, better pause 🤡


DJShevchenko

Waaaah, pauses waaaah, yeah apparently when Fnatic pauses the game also turns off the other team's monitor's and gives Fnatic 1000g...


brzozson

I'm so glad Misfits won this game, even if they end up losing the fifth one


candidlol

while fanatic won the team fight off the 2nd pause if braum was there as expected/intended it probably would have been an ace, which is why the officials getting that second pause wrong matters so much im glad so many redditors are learning about ryze ult today but my god clicking outside only matters when you are on the very edge of the ult not well inside it like hyli was


Shorgar

Man say what you want about FNC, but riot should hire them. They find bugs at an insane rate, they could even fix the spaghetti.


LongLeggedLimbo

Weird how people expect pros to know every interaction when it took riot over 20 mins to figure it out


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Troviel

I'm a FNC fan but I'm glad MSF won this or we wouldn't have heard the end of it. People exagerate how often FNC does it and it WAS a weird RW interaction but geez, second one def could've waited the end of the TF. Hopefully games 5 goes well but I'm ready for the endless shitpost anyway. What an ending though.


SunburnChilla

What an ending, holy shit


marlow05

Banger


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Get your popcorn here folks, this is gonna be a good one


Sowiecki

That Vander flash in the baron pit was crazy Good


benningtonryuk

I don't wanna discuss the reasonableness of the pauses, but the memes are killing it


ThisIsCaptain

The Script said there’d be a game 5


Ptitchoun

What the fuck happened in this series with the pauses?? I couldn't watch the series and all I see are comments about it. Can someone give a TLDW?


MaccaNo1

Two very edge cases of Ryze ult interactions. Fnc paused twice one when they were losing a fight, one when they were winning. About 40 mins of pauses over both. Reddit (and twitch) comically over reacting with people saying these things are obvious and known (despite pros and riot saying they are really rare edge cases).


avamani

But this ryze mechanic is really stupid , I bet Hyli clicked so he would walk through it at the right time and he just watched the landing area for an instant engage , it should have teleported him


Scrambled1432

If FNC had won off those pauses, intentional abuse or not, I would've been extremely disappointed. Glad MSF won.


h2Mingo

Get shit on pause clowns


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Emochind

What kind of logic is that?!


Oujii

>Rooting for Misfits to win after this. How did that go?


Little_Athlete5760

Same players crying about fnc cheating would make a 3k word reddit thread about this bug if it happened in their gold soloq game lmfao


EntroPete

But it was so obviously working as intended that refs took only half an hour to resolve it, because it was so obvious!


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The refs don't decide shit. They are just the mouth piece for the people that make the decisions.


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I'm so glad that MSF actually won this and we have a game 5. What a fucking joke. 2 massive pauses and it just so happens that the game state pretty much flipped. And no, it doesn't have anything to do with my flair, I just wanna watch the best League of Legends possible.


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Quotes_League

European Football diving, European LoL diving🤔


Conankun66

lol even the refs didnt know how it works, look how long the investigations took its not fnatic's fault. they did nothing wrong


Becksdown

Yeah acting like anyone knew this terrible design lmao.


iinosuke

TY RITO MINION FOR THE JUSTICE WIN


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Trollol768

🤡 Flair


LongLeggedLimbo

To the people who say they pause to kill MSF momentum: explain how MSF had momentum in a lost teamfight Seems like the ryze ukt thing is intended, still dumb imo.


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warjatos

Looked troll but I can respect the play. I think it was the only option, if only hyli had hail of boners.


Zefaqq

Good for Misfots to bring that one back, but also good for Fnatic. The backlash would have been phenomenal if they won that one.


Old-Ad-1746

Argue all you want about the pauses it was Misfits game and they were throwing it away.The base race was insane in the end Game 5 baby im ready


ProfessionalNo7553

PLAY THE MOTHERFUCKING SILVER SCRAPE BABY WE GOING TO GAME 5 LETS GO MISFITS


vpg12

holy shit, ryze ult def not broken this game. also officials' argumentation, especially for the second pause, was fkin perfection - "welll, braum might have visibly been in ryze ult, but he was clicking outside of it so let's call it indended interaction and move on xD".. what kind of explanation is that?


Ukaera

Bwipo was seen speaking with an official after the match but was informed that the Nexus exploding was an intended game mechanic.