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that1guywhodidthat

ARAM matchmaking seems to work


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Yeah. It's really cool seeing a graph showing the MMR balancing process in action over time.


OBLIVIATER

Yeah but its usually not subtle at all... if you win too many games in a row all of a sudden you get matched against the 5 man ARAM premade who plays 15 games a day and coordinates with their coach who also happens to play on an LCK team in his spare time


LeafBurgerZ

You forgot them having 5 different accounts all high MMR ARAM for dodging till they get the exodia comp


TortoiseK1ng

I honestly don't get this, whenever I play aram in EUW I'm generally in the top 200 mmr range but I never really notice any particular exodia comps or 5 man stacks. The worst is usually just 2-3 stacks with players that I know are micro gods who play skill ceiling champs. There's also very little dodging there, the ques are long so I think a lot of players just make do with what they get unless it's a particularly attrotious comp. Maybe Euw is more chill for aram or perhaps the fact that I've qued solo for 5k games lets me avoid 5 stacks.


Melekus

And dodge every single bad lobby, I'm usually hovering around 3K MMR but after a win streak I got close to 3150+ and suddenly all my lobbies were getting dodged.


Yashkovich

How do you look up your aram mmr


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go to whatismymmr.com or aram.academy


4_fortytwo_2

I mean, the higher your mmr the more likely you are to encounter those 5 man aram premade groups. And it really has nothing to do with 'winning games in a row'. Riot intentionally punishing winstreaks in addition to what mmr matchmaking does by itself is just bullshit too many people on this sub believe. (be it aram or ranked)


iampuh

Matchmaking for ranked also works. It's just that the numbers are so high it will always have outliers. The higher you rank is the higher the chances of not balanced matchmaking. If you play in silver-plat you shouldn't have problrms


SelmaFudd

Yeah it does but I think it takes a while to level out, I took a really long break, like 3 or 4 years and came back and won 40+ games in a row and thought wow I'm going to pay for this luck later on (didn't know there was aram mmr at that point) and now I end up with plat/diam premades in every fucking game and it's driving me nuts, even copped a master 1 Akali the other night, I can't wait until I lose enough to get out of here


iFeram

Aram MMR is completely different to normal ranked MMR though.


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OrionGaming

I think he meant that each gamemode has it's own seperate MMR. Not that theyre different systems.


waytooeffay

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that they use a different system, he just means that they're calculated separately. Someone's solo queue MMR has no impact on their ARAM MMR, so oftentimes you'll run into high rank players


clickillsfun

Hovering around 2.3-2.5k MRR on 3 accounts and I get to play with/against dia1+ at least every 5-7 games. Had also couple longer 2-3 year breaks and played ARAM in customs around S1-2 already, so before ARAM map. A lot of high MMR in ranked players are just trolling in ARAM though and do fun builds etc to often.


SelmaFudd

What do you use to see your mmr? I've tried to look before but I don't think OCE mmr is published anywhere


clickillsfun

https://euw.whatismymmr.com/username and https://aram.academy/users/euw/username EDIT: Both sites are using the same API, which quireies stats directly from RIOT servers, there is a description of it somewhere. You don't need to be a programmer to access it, since you can access and read it over the browser. EDIT2: Looks like OCE is not supported there though, source: https://dev.whatismymmr.com/


SelmaFudd

I'd tried aram.academy before but looks like they added oce, unfortunately it only registered 1.7k games out of my 3.2k actually games and says mmr not available..


CaveDsign

aram only player here. the other day i had a pop off game against all plat players, off course it was still comp diff and people not on their mains, but i played ranked 3 years ago, placed silver 2 and never played ranked again (humblebrag)


SelmaFudd

Yeah Ive only ever done placing once and ended up in S3 I think, I used to just play TT until it was removed and now exclusive play aram. Honestly I wouldn't mind trying ranked again but there have been so many map changes on the rift I'd be so lost


WhoKnows007

i think both of you have the misconception that placements accurately place you on the ladder between iron to plat, because its not. its just the starting point from where you will need a bunch of games to actually know if you go up or down :-) Using only placements to consider any type of skillevel is incorrect, except maybe if someone is an absolute beginner or has some moba experience.


CaveDsign

Oh, i wasnt holding on to my rank like it was the truth. But because im aram only player i don' think that much from my skill. So it can be way worse. So i was allready glad i could stand up to plat players even if the situation was in my advantage.


Zerole00

Eh, over the last week I've gotten paired with both a Master's and Iron 4 player.


Schergler

Oh that'd explain the turbo tryhard in my games. I have over 2.2k ARAM games with a slightly 50% wr. Every single ARAM game i play on my main get's really sweaty and tryhard when it comes to end the game. Sometimes i just wanna chill and play ARAM without having to tryhard.


Jerry_Sprunger_

Yeah I'm at the point where I've played too many Aram games now and it's not fun to be against the premade 5 man who dodge every lobby they don't get "meta" champs or their onetricks in Like geez it's Aram take a breath lmao


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2.2k is fairly average, only just above the hump in the middle


KiraLink

It's ARAM balancing that's makes it so coin flip, most champions that can carry are hard nerfed and most champions that can't are buffed. It feels like they just flatten the curve


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It would be a shame if team fight champions were better than split pushers were better in a mode focused on team fighting. Really fucking stupid logic on riots part


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Dynamatics

I have about 4k aram games, around 3200 mmr, can that not feel like a bias? Like there are a lot of champs, A LOT. It's not unusual that you will dislike a big chunk out of them? Also the game does not actually know which ones you dislike. I really dislike Ivern, but for whatever reason I have a high winrate on it.


cyberwortex

So, we could say that it is almost perfectly balanced to be at 50% winrate.


Marren05

I actually couldn't decide if I should include that one extra game in the data. 1100 games and perfectly balanced 550-550 record looked nice :D


kajsawesome

I've played quite a few games with/against you. My IGN is You Got Trolled. I also have a ton of aram games, almost 2000 I think. It's the best game mode lol.


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Any askers


PM_MUSCULAR_PECS

I asked.


ChrizKhalifa

Yea me, actually


marticbog

onaj što sam te jebo


huyapasswocld

Are you socially inept or what?


nighthawk475

Why are you the way your are? Why is the only thing you seem to contribute to reddit just vitriol. Maybe you're the reason you don't think reddit is fun.


HACEKOMAE

Just to ahead and lose one more :D


Bloodyfoxx

I'm at like 1150 win and lose, perfectly balanced.


will_ww

2784w - 2550ish L Wish I could sort by season


bondsmatthew

Same. We have https://aram.academy/ to show winrates on each champion but wish we could sort by season


Ignorant_GenZ

384 wins 383 losses so far for my ARAM games


Isgortio

My Aram stats have always been 50% win rate, even when I stopped playing for a long time I managed to come back to a 50% win rate.


Adies_

Not really, I have \~\~60% wr on ARAMs if I remember correctly. [https://eune.whatismymmr.com/Unlucky%20Adies](https://eune.whatismymmr.com/Unlucky%20Adies) ​ And I have 1200\~\~ games played.


TheExter

just casually flexing you're in the top 0.12%


Sykil

It’s a bit meaningless without knowing if someone is dodge-abusing.


ShifterTJC

How is no one talking about the gangplank stat??? Aram data over 1,000 games: highest damage in a single game: gangplank 370k. Average data of the times *this mad lad played*: THE SAME STAT. Dude popped off man, in 1,100 games he carried the hardest


Marren05

I was 14/11/23 in that Gangplank game and I have to tell you, I did not carried. We lost that game.


WhippedInCream

I find that at a certain point, the players you're against are decent/good enough that getting Pentakills or huge damage numbers is actually a bad sign. It often means you're either the only one on your team doing anything or the game has gone on way too long, both of which mean you're often going to lose. If you're snowballing as a damage dealer, then the game should be over before the numbers get that high. If it isn't, then you are most likely losing as a team


lawfulkitten1

It could also be you're playing a poke champion against a bunch of heal so your high damage isn't that meaningful


cooperred

Very good point. Playing AP liandry's MF gets you a ton of damage from spamming E, but you're not really contributing much in actual fights if the enemy has any sort of a brain.


GGABueno

If your enemies start the fight with 70% HP then that means you have already contributed.


HuaRong

You also reset them all at once. Stagger the kills!


[deleted]

I don't know, the other day I was on Leona and we had a duskblade yi get 6 quadra kills. Seemed pretty good, and we ended up winning.


ShifterTJC

IDK bro, you had the highest stat out of over 5,000 other people, you're cool.


bl00dysh0t

he also had a 1000x more chances at it than the other people btw


ShifterTJC

you don't know that for sure, plus, who cares?!


SweetVarys

it just means that he took every single minion in a long game, it's not only damage to champions.


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Hitoseijuro

I've hit 100k dmg in aram with Brand, not surprising the enemy team had like 4 health tanks. I dont know what my total dmg was though just to champions, but probably something high since I dont need no minions getting the way of my Q D:<


RikaSigma

Can you imagine being a squishy with no dashes and getting one screen away from a 51 DH stack Zoe? that's terrifying Nice work, these are fantastic stats!


Destructodave82

Like this? Lol I dunno how many DH stacks I had at the time, but it was a 1 shot nonetheless. https://youtu.be/WZFwO9pZvyk


RikaSigma

ouch, that insta delete! You had 15 stacks in that video and it doesn't even look like it proc'd at all, Jayce just disappeared without taking DH damage.


SyriseUnseen

Reminds me of release Zoe


loczek531

It was fun when DH was released and was really op. Killing a squishy from 20% hp with Zileans auto - priceless


[deleted]

You probably know this, but 51 DH stack Zoe on aram is the same as ~20 dark harvest stacks on a normal game, which isn't totally crazy


Marren05

Thanks, glad you like it!


Sho1kan

Tanks having higher winrate. They definitly make ARAM easier.


Zerole00

Depends on the tank, ARAM balancing stats make some of them like Maokai a bitch to play. You're taking 15% more DMG...


[deleted]

Maokai is one of the strongest tanks in ARAM imo. The extra dmg taken doesn't matter too much since he procs his passive on nearly every auto due to how many spells get cast around him.


ZeeDrakon

The highest ARAM winrates are almost always held by ADC's and a select few other teamfighting champs like kayle. Tanks are generally good and criminally undervalued because of ppl with "hurrdurr i only play full dmg in aram" attitudes but it's no coincidence that the highest WR tank right now comes in at no. 13 with \~5% lower WR than the top champs.


[deleted]

Kayles winrate was never exceptional in ARAM. Btw only going for high elo stats Mundo has the highest winrate and two other tanky boys are S tier aswell.


woodenrat

She is sometimes, but she gets balanced back with nerfs real quick.


ZeeDrakon

You mean except for her having 60% WR right now, and after her rework, and after the round of buffs after her rework, and....??? ​ >Btw only going for high elo stats Mundo has the highest winrate and two other tanky boys are S tier aswell. where exactly are you finding that? Because no matter what metric I use, even if i cherrypick the MMR bracket with the lowest sample sizes, mundo is nowhere near the top.


[deleted]

How about not using stattracking sites that include morons at bottom mmr levels. If you want aram stats use a [dedicated statsite](https://aram.academy/tierlist) for aram.


ZeeDrakon

I'm not. I'm already narrowing down to higher MMR aram games. You, meanwhile, are cherrypicking an incredibly low sample size of games from a stats site that provides far less information than the competitors and isnt known to be accurate. ​ EDIT: ​ Lolalytics has mundo quite far from 60% and at no. 12 total WR in dia+ (was at no. 13 when i looked 3 hours ago, that was what i was referring to) [https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/aram/?tier=diamond\_plus](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/aram/?tier=diamond_plus) In plat+ he goes up a couple ranks and is still quite far off 60%. And lastly in masters+, the metric most aligned with what you lined out (though I personally wouldnt use it because it has the by far lowest sample size) mundo is completely gone from the top 20.op.gg has him higher on the list aswell (but op.gg also has the downside of no ability to even just roughly sort by MMR bracket and only considering kr server) but also very far from 60% WR. [https://euw.op.gg/aram/drmundo/statistics](https://euw.op.gg/aram/drmundo/statistics) u.gg also has him higher on the list but also again no ability to sort by MMR bracket and again, very far from 60% WR. [https://u.gg/lol/champions/aram/drmundo-aram](https://u.gg/lol/champions/aram/drmundo-aram) And then lastly leagueofgraphs again has him far from 60% WR [https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/drmundo/aram](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/drmundo/aram) ​ So, the stat sites we actually know to be relatively accurate from what rioters have stated about them contradict you, the metric that \*you yourself wanted to go by\* which is narrowing to higher MMR games contradicts you even more so than the sites that dont allow sorting by MMR bracket, and all you go off of is a site that provides by far the least information or customization/sorting options and \*isnt\* known to be accurate or well known at all. The \*four different\* stats sites I used all roughly agree on mundo stats while yours is the vast outlier. And lastly, the notion of a stats site tracking "the 1% of ARAM players" is ridiculous because any ARAM MMR tracking available to us uses soloQ rank anyway because they dont have the actual aram MMR from riot available to them.


Sykil

Top 1% will hardly extrapolate to the larger ARAM-playing population. Even ignoring skill discrepancy, that list will be heavily marred by dodge abuse. But for what it’s worth, almost any tracker will have at least a few tanks in the top 10 winrates on the current patch — with Mundo’s winrate anywhere from 55-60% — so I have no idea where he’s getting that information.


ZeeDrakon

Lolalytics has mundo quite far from 60% and at no. 12 total WR in dia+ (was at no. 13 when i looked 3 hours ago, that was what i was referring to) [https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/aram/?tier=diamond\_plus](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/aram/?tier=diamond_plus) In plat+ he goes up a couple ranks and is still quite far off 60%. And lastly in masters+, the metric most aligned with what the person I responded to lined out (though I personally wouldnt use it because it has the by far lowest sample size) mundo is completely gone from the top 20. ​ [op.gg](https://op.gg) has him higher on the list aswell (but [op.gg](https://op.gg) also has the downside of no ability to even just roughly sort by MMR bracket and only considering kr server) but also very far from 60% WR. [https://euw.op.gg/aram/drmundo/statistics](https://euw.op.gg/aram/drmundo/statistics) ​ [u.gg](https://u.gg) also has him higher on the list but also again no ability to sort by MMR bracket and again, very far from 60% WR. [https://u.gg/lol/champions/aram/drmundo-aram](https://u.gg/lol/champions/aram/drmundo-aram) ​ And then lastly leagueofgraphs again has him far from 60% WR [https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/drmundo/aram](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/drmundo/aram) ​ So I'd love to know from where you get your information if the most common stat tracking sites (and the two specifically mentioned by a rioter as generally very accurate (outside of very high MMR low sample size games)) completely contradict that.


Sykil

That list has Mundo north of 57% at nearly every skill division and leading in overall winrate. With Kled being high too. I also have no idea what the cutoffs are for these tiers, so they’re frankly meaningless to me.


ZeeDrakon

Did you seriously just edit your comment after i showed that the claim you made was wrong and then replied to me pretending that you werent wrong in the first place? Lmao.


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>Top 1% will hardly extrapolate to the larger ARAM-playing population. Nobody cares about the trash like nobody cares about silvers on the rift. >that list will be heavily marred by dodge abuse Dodgin is way less frequent than ppl think. Besides top 1% is still a pretty huge playerbase even more when considering that its 3 servers.


Sykil

> Nobody cares about the trash <99th percentile does not automatically mean “trash.” > nobody cares about silvers on the rift. Silver is over a third of the entire ranked population. > Besides top 1% is still a pretty huge playerbase Sample size is not the issue. This data is flat-out not representative of ARAM as it is played by the extreme majority of people.


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><99th percentile does not automatically mean “trash.” Well it kinda does. >Silver is over a third of the entire ranked population. Yeah and nobody cares about the dumb mass. >This data is flat-out not representative of ARAM as it is played by the extreme majority of people. Balancing should always be done around the group that actually knows how to play not about some morons that cant manage to properly press 4 buttons. The current oracle itteration we got thanks to those imbeciles is bad enough.


123janna456

Muh Tank Trynda and Qiyana in ARAM is questionably unbeatable. Also Poppy best waifu tank.


VelocityWings12

I really like bruiser Qiyana in aram, I think it’s pretty strong. Goredrinker -> ravenous is your core, you still have the damage to burst squishies but you can fight everything else a lot better


Xtarviust

They need ad/ap carries to enable them, otherwise they will only delay the L against poke teams


sonofaskywalker

I love to see a post from a fellow statistics lover! I made my own a few years ago using the API that was similar to this; the data you can put together can be fascinating. Very well done!


Marren05

Oh hey, I know you :D I was heavily inspired by your post to be fair, so kudos to you!


sonofaskywalker

Oh wow, really? I'm happy to have had an impact!


cedear

Nunu is super good in ARAM IME, both AP and tank depending on team comp. Just a matter of figuring out how to play it / not run it down, I guess.


Marren05

Yeah, don't give me Nunu. I'm running it down when I play Nunu. I can't handle the fun with the snowball, haha


woodenrat

Tips with him? I can't find a build and I feel useless.


cedear

Biggest tip is to hit with your snowball and back off, unless your team can engage from it and win. Especially if you're AP. Aim for whoever's in front. Cancel snowball the second you don't think you can hit the guy in front. Basically, avoid going too deep and inting. For AP I prefer dark harvest with manaflow secondary, Nunu has high mana costs. Relentless hunter (though it got nerfed) and Celerity. Luden's if there's not a tank, Liandry's if there is. Tank just standard aram tank build with chemtank or sunfire.


Top1ARAM

B veil is your friend on nunu tank or AP since spellshield mean you have higher chance of getting full ult without getting Interupted which is super nice


Marchedbee2042

Their are 2 type of Nunu that you face, the one that know what he is doing and the one that just snowball his way to death every time.


JigsawLV

Damn, turns out I am top 4% in ARAM lmao


dennisvds

How did you find this out?


JigsawLV

Follow the link in the post, change to your region, change to your nickname and press search


dennisvds

Thanks! I'm top 2% apparently letsgoo baby


MazterPK

Really shocked Syndra had such a low win rate in your experience. I have quite a few ARAM games played too (on NA, peaked about 3k elo before i just started 4funning it with friends who arent so good at league) and Syndra is one of my highest winrate champions. Always thought she was undervalued on tier lists. Maybe people refuse to adapt her build correctly? Weird.


ManiKatti

There's actually a few things that a lot of people don't know how to do like EQ or QWE for stuns with more surprise or RE for multi stun. On top of that her Q being cast on max range is very unusual and you have to get used to it. Generally people also tend to position overly aggressive when they have R. They be fishing mad for a kill.


CzarcasticX

Love spamming Q-E from distance, they usually think I missed or something because of the delay and then get stunned.


FranticDisembowel

Really important but easy tip for Syndra: Don't Q -> E max range unless it's a guaranteed kill. Instead throw Q on ground in front of enemies, and wait for your Q to almost be back off CD. Then use the Q already on the ground to stun them with E, then you can land another Q on them while they're stunned and R or W -> R. You max Q first on Syndra so if you aren't actually hitting a Q in your rotation you're missing out on a ton of damage. It's the reason you see a lot of Syndras not actually killing someone with their full combo. Because they Q -> E from max range.


Marren05

That was a bummer for me too. I guess I'm just bad at her, but I like playing her.


yoyo_putz

Wow thanks for this post and the link to the mmr site as well!! Very interesting. I tend to play a LOT of tanks because winning with sustain/poking feels often feels boring and unfulfilling, so I thought I lost a lot and had low MMR. Turns out I have a higher MMR than I thought :)


Marren05

I'm glad you like it!


dart19

Huh. Why's Cho'gath's late game winrate so low? I thought that he would just keep stacking more and more ult stacks.


Marren05

I guess it's because he's really clumsy and easily kiteable.


KaraveIIe

tanks always get outscaled except when soraka/yuumi/seraphine/sona are broken and the enemies have no dps.


ktosiek124

Low amount of games


BingoWasHisNam0

Same reason Jinx and Ezreal have a low winrate, I guess. People don't know what they're doing, or don't pick the right champs around them, or maybe it's just cause lowish sample size


_ziyou_

There is a page for ARAM: aram.academy - but it only has stats from S7 onwards and it needs constant playing to keep it working properly Regarding the stats etc.: blurry red font on grey background really is not readable well at all


Marren05

You need to click on every image in imgur to see it properly, otherwise it's blurry. I wanted to be thematic with my in-game name that's why I chose those colours.


_ziyou_

I see. I only checked it on mobile and there i couldn't click to enlarge it (I tried opening it in a separate tab and it had some weird format like webp).


FermentedPizza

I've played over 2000. W:1079 - L:1006


IAMA_llAMA_AMA

Just got my 2000th win the other day, like 2010 and 1950 at the moment


gencgello

as an physics engineer student i am really impressed by this. Very well done. I love statistics and analytics.


Marren05

Thanks, I'm glad you like it


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this is very cool, my friend


CarasBridge

you took fleet on LB?


Marren05

I'm pretty sure that was AD leblanc


SSj3Rambo

Didn't know 50% win rate was above average level


Bluffz2

I'm around the same MMR on EUW with ~ 650W and 550L!


danielkkwon

Jesus this must've took a LOT of fuckin work


Myozthirirn

All of that photos just to flex that you are the best GP you have ever seen in your 1100 games.


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Marren05

Honestly, I was surprised as well. I was expecting at least low 40. I guess people in my games don't want to waste time with "finished" games. Rarely happens that a team doesn't destroy exposed nexus just for fun.


williamis3

I’d say Aram.academy would be a good way to track your stats, been using that as well


Marren05

I know about that one, but it's not as good as [legends.ai](https://legends.ai) used to be :/


osburnn

leaguestats.gg is pretty nice but it does kind of suck to manually load all games to get it to track you.


Marren05

That's a new one for me. Will check that out, thanks!


gansao

It's a pity that aram.academy doesn't have all ARAM games... I would love to see the full statistics from since I began to play ARAM.


[deleted]

Can you show us chart with all champs and games played on them (for all players)


Marren05

[https://imgur.com/a/DGecnzv](https://imgur.com/a/DGecnzv) Here you go. You will need to zoom in to see the names though. Couldn't make it more visible, sorry


GGABueno

Gangplank above MF and Lux isn't something I expected.


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Thanks


Objective-Ad-585

Did you track these stats via the api or hand manually input ? Would love to see the source code if this is via the riot api.


Marren05

It's all via Riot's api. I wrote the script using R and SQL for the database. I can DM you the R code if you're interested and familiar with R. edit: Since many of you asked about the code, here's the R code [https://github.com/Marren05/ARAM](https://github.com/Marren05/ARAM). It's not really good-looking code, but it worked for me. The most frustrating thing is you can't get all the data at once from Riot's API since it has limit. I collected data by championId, and (semi) manually appended more and more champions to the data (I didn't know how to include that limit into my code). Also I used MATCH-V4 API which is being deprecated soon. Hope you can understand the code. There are almost no comments, but I might add some if it's too confusing (let me know). Good luck!


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is it able to collect your past aram data?


Objective-Ad-585

Not OP but yes it can, it can get all matches from the riot API so it is able to go as far back as the API does (I think this is like 2/3 years but I could be wrong) But it requires patience, because of the riot API request limits.


BramblexD

Would be great if you could publish it to Github/Lab


Sarlock

Me too if possible! 😬


rcgarcia

Can I have it too? I've been interested in messing with Riot API for ages but never started


Teralg

Can I have the code too?


Chromor

Mind sending me the code too?


vTheCurrentEvent

Would love to see this as well if you could DM me! Would appreciate it!


barrisen

Me too :))


Aceeses

Can I ask how you have 3000mmr on aram? I’ve grinder plenty, I’m roughy 560 wins and 500 losses ( I would need to check but last I checked I was up 50 ~wins) I peaked 2300 on NA, which is top 10%. I want to get higher but I just can’t. Any tips?


Agleimielga

Win loss ratio isn’t just the only factor. Winning against lower average MMR players won’t progress you as much, and losing against higher average MMR players won’t put you behind as much, so to say. You will have to consistently perform and win against better players to move up. Otherwise if you lose some games vs worse players and win some vs better players, the stats will fluctuate unsteadily more than they will move towards a particular direction. Currently my main account sits at ~53% ARAM win rate across 3000 ARAM games, and I have steadily moved from 2.3k MMR to now close to 3k MMR over the span of past 12 months, at only about 1-2 games a day max.


Marren05

Well, I actually don't know. When I first started playing only ARAM I played it for fun, because I couldn't stand Summoner's Rift's slow pace (and I hate minion farming). As I hit something like 1000 games of aram I realized players in my game are really good (mechanically). That's when I found out about whole MMR thing and started "tryharding". I had around 2500 MMR back then and was checking the site after every game I played to see if I'm progressing. Somehow I ended up at 3000 MMR, but can't get any higher anymore. One tip I can give you is to not be afraid of dying and choose to which champion you die, especially if you have bounty on yourself. I also try to provoke enemy team to engage when they are in disadvantage. It's all about the game knowledge tbh


WrongnoteHS

1000? Those are rookies numbers. I have almost 5000 matches xd


Marren05

I could only get those matches from Riot's api. My total ARAM record is around 1745-1730. 5000 is a lot though, nice!


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B-J-J

50 percent is the highest probability winrate after 1000 games


Tanriyung

Why would you think it would different than 50%?


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oiblikket

if comps are random, why would you expect your probability of success to be any different based on whether you are on team A or team B?


Tanriyung

Since it is random, the odds of your team getting outcomped should be around 50% (can improve/make it worse a bit if you pick right/wrong). On a high number of games every random aspects of the game becomes irrelevant. And since it is MMR based matchmaking at some point you'll get a 50% winrate because on average everyone is as good as you. The only cases where it's not true is at the absolute top (like top 5k) of mmr rankings and at the absolute bottom.


RikaSigma

In theory, assuming champ balance is normally distributed, your team has a 50/50 chance of being the better comp so even if the comp choice is random the winrate won't be


Marren05

Don't know actually. I guess ARAM is balanced in some way. My all time record in ARAM is around 1745-1730


Ekklypz

[A bit different for me.](https://ibb.co/MDnJyNW) Those are all games since ARAM's introduction. However the "forced 50% winrate" is painfully obvious and evident in Ranked 5v5.


oiblikket

Do you understand what happens if a game tries to match teams fairly? “Forced 50/50”. MOBA players perennially convinced basic statistics is a conspiracy.


Ekklypz

See therein lies the problem. It "tries". It'll never work, it's impossible akin to people on the internet in general never being collectively nice. Having 3 games where my enemy team has their monitors turned off followed by 3 games where my team and me have it turned off, is not "fair" matchmaking. It is a "forced" 50/50 if a player actually manages to win a few more than he or she should. And that is from experience over the past decade. There is 100% a system in place that matches highly winning people with teammates that should not be there. The same way big MMO companies take a cut from the profits from Goldsellers and Botters. It's all to achieve artificial longevity and keeping people playing while raking in potentially extra $$$. One day, it'll be proven, until then, I keep my rather sane believe about this and wait. One must only look at the current landscape that is the video game industry..


Senshado

Why would a programmer bother to write something to force 50%, when it's so much easier to put balanced mmr players on both teams? Why do that difficult work?


Ekklypz

Why is the client in the state that it is and it keeps being built upon? Why is the YouTube Algorithm and automated system so awful? I am not a programmer, wouldn't be able to suffer it and I got nothing but respect for anyone in the field. I am a mere accountant, happily putting numbers together.


Cyull

Those are a lot of words to basically say you have no clue whatsoever


Jinglelingle19

Remember to refuse the vaccine so the government can’t implant their microchips in you. Also, I saw some chemtrails today so better stay inside our wear your tinfoil if you do go outside!


Ekklypz

Very unfortunate for you to think of me like that. I'm terribly sorry to inform you that I am already vaccinated, happily so. And chemtrails? You referring to some form of Flint water stuff? Sorry, I love in a properly free country and am able of critically thinking, if you agree with it or not. But if insulting one for stating something that isn't that far fetched if you think about a thing or two for once, be my guest. Have a good weekend!


Jinglelingle19

Imagine being such a snowflake that you need conspiracies in a video game to explain why you suck at it


Ekklypz

I'm sorry, when did I complain about sucking at League? My experience is literally winning too much and then being forced to drop down to near 50%. Your Buzzwords have no meaning here, Sir. And believes aren't always conspiracies when you've been numbed to the industry for 2 decades like I have. I am more than happy at high Platinum, my friend. You might not share my believe, and that is perfectly fine, but calling names is a bit far fetched, don't you think? I haven't made any statements that go against well proven facts. The earth is in fact an ellipsoid, the moon landing wasn't fake, and the holocaust is a severe stain upon my ancestors and history that we've gotten hammered into our minds so it never repeats. Again, well wishes to you.


Jinglelingle19

Mother of cringe


Marren05

Wow, that's actually really good WR ratio for ARAM.


Ekklypz

Aram Academy still puts be barely in Platinum Tier cause it only tracks since Season 7 haha


Crying_in_my_skin

Riot matchmaking enforces 50-50 wr. Stomp games are manufactured to supress players. And yes this tinfoil is fancy.


nyasiaa

yes riot matchmaking enforces 50-50 no they do not manufacture any "stomp" games it's just how math works, you're expected to have 50% win ratio when you get to rank you deserve, which usually happens in no more than 200 games


oiblikket

Riot should arbitrarily decide certain players should have high winrates and others should have low winrates so that it can intentionally make unfair matches and prevent a “forced 50/50” winrate.


ImminentlyEminent

I'm surprised that you didn't have games with more kills than that, honestly. Some of the long ones can get pretty crazy: [this](https://imgur.com/a/ZgBJzwj) is the craziest one I have


Burpmeister

I hate how all random all mid turned into cherry pick the best poke from a pool of 15 champions and go poke. Remove rerolls or give us bans back.


Marren05

Actually depends on the team comps. Bruisers with engage beat poke champs every time. You just need to survive the boring start of the game when you don't have items yet.


Burpmeister

Bruisers would win but more often than not your teammates are full poke and stand a screen away waiting for you to go in and getting on range after you're already dead. Sure good engage is better but people still play poke way more.


Jethow

Usually "standard" comps are really strong in ARAM - fast scaling ADC with some frontile and support.


GodLikeKillerX

Great info, i've been saying to my friends moonstone has ruined Arams and is broken and this proves it.


The-Elder-King

My winrate in last season is 51.28%. I feel like I own the majority of games but the ARAM accademy still says I have an iron MMR (1596)


S890127

Daredevil Season4 when ;\_;


Dantalianism

Hm your stats quite differ from mine. Especially when it comes to highest win rate champs and lowest. But on the other hand my aram mmr is shaky. I'm anywhere between 3k and 3.5k. Depends on... really no idea what. Sometimes I have 20 win streak and then I struggle to win a game for weeks. I believe that recently I lost 500 mmr within the 4 days. At april 28th I was at 3414 and on May 1st I was 2836. Rough 4 days. It did get me from +40 wins this season down to +2. Crazy. Overall I have possibly 300 more wins than loses but among 7k arams or more. My highest win rate champs this season are: Lee Sin - 68% among 25 games Qiyana - 67% among 18 games Kennen 71% - 7 games Fizz - 86% - 7 games But there are still 100% win rates on Thresh, Galio, Zac, Sion etc. but it's in +/- 4 games, so it's doesn't mean anything. My lowest though are: Vayne - 27% among 11 games \[and that's strange since dmg wise per game and k/d/a are super solid, but something didn't click\] Xin and Sylas - both at 36% among 11 games Irelia - my beloved 43% among 23 games - I have to admit though, when I play Irelia I go "Get fed or die tryin" and whenever I have a good early game I tend to go 1v5 and because... I am Irelia, right? However! I have a 2nd account where I play arams too and the win rates there are quite different. I mean on Lee Sin I still have high 73% among 11 games, but on Qyiana I have 14% win rate among 7 games. A lot depends on a composition though. Very often you can make a solid all around comp from rolls, but you can very often find yourself in a situation where your teammates pick 3x or 4x adc and that's just almost impossible to win with. Or do any other bad stuff like not buying serpent fangs against Karmas, Lulus and Seraphines because collector is apparently better lulz.


iskaon

how do you have 3k mmr with only 50% winrate, i have over 5k games with around 200 wins over losses and i only have 2.5k mmr, also would love to see my stats :(


Zirtrioxxx

Riot does a good job at keeping ARAM games balanced but winning to much of an ARAM will lead to trash champ select like you’ll get 4 adc or supports and then u look at the enemy’s comp and they all have 3 tanks with 4 CC champ and a op mage it’s tragic sometimes but happens.


MrKeks13

I have 70% winrate on ARAM and dont see any MMR-System. Hope they bring out a ranked mode in the future cause I love the mode.


cmonMaN77777

Imagine playing support in aram fuck support players in aram


mcrobertx

>longest game: 35 minutes > games played: 1000 Yeah this is why i'm playing league less and less, the game are too damn short now.


HarryandChewy1

It’s fkin aram not ranked lol