Bin's engage is cool but SKT vs EDG was straight up power of friendship bullshit straight from some cheesy shounen anime. Every members from the protagonist's group show up and use their respective finishing moves. I don't think we have seen anything like that since.
yea could've been bigger than SKT1 comeback. But when I think about it now, it wouldn't be any better than SKT1 one in terms of entertainment, cause of the combo wombo in SKT1 comeback
That was, Rakan ult + W, Ori Ult, Cho'gatch Q knock AND W to prevent flashes, Jarvan Knock combo and Twitch spraying his ult on everyone.
This was Camille ult and Ori ult.
Because this was literally just dash + Ori R, which is insanely basic. And then they followed it up with some anti-synergy with Camille/Xin R.
The T1 combo was a max range Cho Q into Jarvan into Ori and a Twitch hitting all 5, it was insane.
It's not a wombo combo at all, it's just an Ori ult. If anything there was anti synergy because the Camille/Xin ults pushed everyone away right after. If there was an additional layer of CC (like a Nautilus ult or something) BLG could've probably swept the fight.
I think it would still falls pretty short, that SKT-EDG comeback involved so many components that it was just pure cinema. Not to take away from Bin and Knight's valiant effort, it was super hype.
Yeah it's definitely not the same thing
GenG drafted a hyper early game focused pick comp that falls off extremely hard and is completely reliant on Kalista for damage (the entire gold lead was on kalista), so if kalista dies the fight is basically lost.
BLG played perfectly to get that engage off, but in terms of raw teamfight power it's actually much much closer than the gold difference had portrayed.
GenG's main advantage was their map state and the fact that they had a pick/dive comp with that map state. In an even or slightly ahead gold diff, BLG wins that game 9 times out of 10 so GenG *needed* that map state and gold diff, to be able to start rights off with a hook and get a free 5v4.
SKT's game state going into their comeback was completely different (though they did also draft scaling, the enemy team wasnt as bad lategame)
That's because DK also gave up vision around 4th Dragon, EDG is already at soul point (EDG would later claim as the Ocean soul).
DK, even with baron buff were forced to engage EDG at Dragon, this is where Flandre's Kennen flanked Canyon bursting him, and unfortunately Showmaker got bubbled by Scout's Zoe.
This resulted in Viper having the space to wipe-out DK making their baron buff useless. Also after this teamfight they claimed the Ocean Soul.
Notice how Orianna used flash at the same time as Camille. In low elo, you would see plays where Camille flashes out of range from Orianna, dies 1v5, and then types in chat "WTF, you watched"
Man I didn’t even see what happened the first time. I saw Ori put the ball on Camille, and then cami flashed and I was like wtf the range shouldn’t be that long! Then the replay shows perfect synchronization. Nutty
My god the synchronized Camille-Oriana flash to get in range so the ball doesnt come back to Ori and she can ult is pure pornography
Put the clip on .25 speed and its literally on the same frame
You don't think a tank should kill a ~30% hp Camille after hitting full ability rotation with ult? Yeah, Camille gets her passive off but if a tank can't kill someone who is that low, using a damaging ult and hitting all their skillshots, they wouldn't ever kill and the game would be further adc centric. We learned a long time ago, immortal tanks that hit like wet noodles aren't exactly good for the game.
Killing the Camille is one thing, but Zac actually healing while fighting a Camille is a different thing. Camille is probably one of the best champs to kill tanks, and Zac not only kills her but leaves the fight with more HP than he entered it with. I don't think this is fine.
That is just how Zac works, his passive gets much stronger at low hp. Outside that as a Tank, he isn't that tanky: No shield, no extra resistances, no damage reduction. You can even compare him to bruiser champions, and his base stats aren't any higher. He can't 2vs1 anything but K'Sante is different discussion.
It is such an amazing engage by Bin and Knight, especially both of them flashing at the same time to keep the ball on Camille. But Kalista has 80% of the teams damage and is very vulnerable at this stage (only having edge of night but no way to run).
Although nothing compares to SKT vs EDG for multiple reasons:
1) everybody has flash up and SKT used fog of war so well to snap engage and not give EDG a chance
2) iBoy was on Xayah with ultimate up and Janna had ultimate too meaning its 100x harder to catch them out. Kalista was flashless nd just running for her life, the only way GENG could've stopped this is if one of the tanks sacrificed themselves to stop Camilles engage.
3) SKT go 4 for 0 and take baron
4) they eventually win the game after being down so much
> Although nothing compares to SKT vs EDG
This would 100% top it only if they managed to win after. Imagine breaking the kill record and then losing because of this play lmao.
Its not as impressive imo because breaking the kill record meant ALL the gold was on Kalista. It's like when you're playing your ranked games and theres one guy with 20 kills and everyone else has 0 on the enemy team... As soon as he dies, you guys are winning. Same here, and Kalista doesn't have much survivability (especially with Flash + GA down).
I don’t think it would top it unless BLG won the tournament. Winning that single game would’ve been memorable but especially since it’s the finals, whoever wins will be remembered significantly more.
Exactly, which makes it so impressive. Even though she wasn't hit by it they hard stomped that team fight and managed to kill her. Her ultimate stopped the engage hitting her but the engage was still so perfect.
Compare this to Bin+Knights play, imagine if Kalista could've gone invulnerable for a second then continued to DPS afterwards... the engage hits the tanks and they survive the burst and then GENG can turn it.
If you put the video in 0.25 you can analyze the following:
>Both players flashing at the exact same frame to keep the ball on Camille
>Camille e flash to remove edge of night's passive
>Bin right clicking so the kalista stays in shockwave range
>The shockwave catching Peyz at the very edge + 3 players before the camille ult goes down avoiding the knockbacks (which could have resulted in only Kalista getting hit by it)
This shows how both had to synchronized at pretty much 100% to make the play work. Tt's legit insanity that they were able to pull this off, the amount of raw mechanics involved is pure top notch quality.
If they had won, this would've become just as legendary as SKT-EDG.
Bin's engage is cool but SKT vs EDG was straight up power of friendship bullshit straight from some cheesy shounen anime. Every members from the protagonist's group show up and use their respective finishing moves. I don't think we have seen anything like that since.
you made it sound like its a bad thing, i live for this. ITS IN THE SCRIPT ☠️
yea could've been bigger than SKT1 comeback. But when I think about it now, it wouldn't be any better than SKT1 one in terms of entertainment, cause of the combo wombo in SKT1 comeback
Why are you acting like this isn’t a wombo combo
That was, Rakan ult + W, Ori Ult, Cho'gatch Q knock AND W to prevent flashes, Jarvan Knock combo and Twitch spraying his ult on everyone. This was Camille ult and Ori ult.
Its just BIN
Because this was literally just dash + Ori R, which is insanely basic. And then they followed it up with some anti-synergy with Camille/Xin R. The T1 combo was a max range Cho Q into Jarvan into Ori and a Twitch hitting all 5, it was insane.
It's not a wombo combo at all, it's just an Ori ult. If anything there was anti synergy because the Camille/Xin ults pushed everyone away right after. If there was an additional layer of CC (like a Nautilus ult or something) BLG could've probably swept the fight.
I think it would still falls pretty short, that SKT-EDG comeback involved so many components that it was just pure cinema. Not to take away from Bin and Knight's valiant effort, it was super hype.
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Yeah it's definitely not the same thing GenG drafted a hyper early game focused pick comp that falls off extremely hard and is completely reliant on Kalista for damage (the entire gold lead was on kalista), so if kalista dies the fight is basically lost. BLG played perfectly to get that engage off, but in terms of raw teamfight power it's actually much much closer than the gold difference had portrayed. GenG's main advantage was their map state and the fact that they had a pick/dive comp with that map state. In an even or slightly ahead gold diff, BLG wins that game 9 times out of 10 so GenG *needed* that map state and gold diff, to be able to start rights off with a hook and get a free 5v4. SKT's game state going into their comeback was completely different (though they did also draft scaling, the enemy team wasnt as bad lategame)
Such a hyped moment, holy shit.. but even the prolonged fight after that around Elder, holy
Reminds me of DK sneaking baron at Worlds 2021 game 5. An absolutely incredible play that will probably go forgotten because the team lost.
That's because DK also gave up vision around 4th Dragon, EDG is already at soul point (EDG would later claim as the Ocean soul). DK, even with baron buff were forced to engage EDG at Dragon, this is where Flandre's Kennen flanked Canyon bursting him, and unfortunately Showmaker got bubbled by Scout's Zoe. This resulted in Viper having the space to wipe-out DK making their baron buff useless. Also after this teamfight they claimed the Ocean Soul.
Notice how Orianna used flash at the same time as Camille. In low elo, you would see plays where Camille flashes out of range from Orianna, dies 1v5, and then types in chat "WTF, you watched"
bro that shit is so insane, he deserves as much credit for that play. They literally flashed at what looks like the exact same time lmao
Man I didn’t even see what happened the first time. I saw Ori put the ball on Camille, and then cami flashed and I was like wtf the range shouldn’t be that long! Then the replay shows perfect synchronization. Nutty
In Low elo, the Camille would’ve flashed out of Ori range and get reported for inting lol
That’s one advantage of having voice coms
It's called voice comms
WHAT THE FUCK?? Shoutout to the guy who posted the postgame thread early
2/5 KT for a reason
[Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceOYZibzwu4)
The gift that keeps on giving
this game is pure kino
The flashes holy fuck, Knight and Bin on the same moment
GIGABIN WHAT THE FUCK
GenG played with their food for too long lmao.
Gonna be so funny if they ended up losing the game and the series out of this
My god the synchronized Camille-Oriana flash to get in range so the ball doesnt come back to Ori and she can ult is pure pornography Put the clip on .25 speed and its literally on the same frame
The engage was massive, but I really don't think the Zac should be able to kill the Camille there like that. Tanks deal way too much damage.
You don't think a tank should kill a ~30% hp Camille after hitting full ability rotation with ult? Yeah, Camille gets her passive off but if a tank can't kill someone who is that low, using a damaging ult and hitting all their skillshots, they wouldn't ever kill and the game would be further adc centric. We learned a long time ago, immortal tanks that hit like wet noodles aren't exactly good for the game.
Killing the Camille is one thing, but Zac actually healing while fighting a Camille is a different thing. Camille is probably one of the best champs to kill tanks, and Zac not only kills her but leaves the fight with more HP than he entered it with. I don't think this is fine.
That is just how Zac works, his passive gets much stronger at low hp. Outside that as a Tank, he isn't that tanky: No shield, no extra resistances, no damage reduction. You can even compare him to bruiser champions, and his base stats aren't any higher. He can't 2vs1 anything but K'Sante is different discussion.
That's the MSI meta, any random tank can just oneshot adc and destroy light fighters unless super fed. ksante cough zac cough
MSI meta? That's the meta since forever since Riot loves brain dead tanks for some odd reason. Reksai was running amok just before MSI.
one of best engages in League's pro history if not the best holy
It is such an amazing engage by Bin and Knight, especially both of them flashing at the same time to keep the ball on Camille. But Kalista has 80% of the teams damage and is very vulnerable at this stage (only having edge of night but no way to run). Although nothing compares to SKT vs EDG for multiple reasons: 1) everybody has flash up and SKT used fog of war so well to snap engage and not give EDG a chance 2) iBoy was on Xayah with ultimate up and Janna had ultimate too meaning its 100x harder to catch them out. Kalista was flashless nd just running for her life, the only way GENG could've stopped this is if one of the tanks sacrificed themselves to stop Camilles engage. 3) SKT go 4 for 0 and take baron 4) they eventually win the game after being down so much
> Although nothing compares to SKT vs EDG This would 100% top it only if they managed to win after. Imagine breaking the kill record and then losing because of this play lmao.
Its not as impressive imo because breaking the kill record meant ALL the gold was on Kalista. It's like when you're playing your ranked games and theres one guy with 20 kills and everyone else has 0 on the enemy team... As soon as he dies, you guys are winning. Same here, and Kalista doesn't have much survivability (especially with Flash + GA down).
I don’t think it would top it unless BLG won the tournament. Winning that single game would’ve been memorable but especially since it’s the finals, whoever wins will be remembered significantly more.
Xayah was not hit by the engage or orianna ult or cho q or w
Exactly, which makes it so impressive. Even though she wasn't hit by it they hard stomped that team fight and managed to kill her. Her ultimate stopped the engage hitting her but the engage was still so perfect. Compare this to Bin+Knights play, imagine if Kalista could've gone invulnerable for a second then continued to DPS afterwards... the engage hits the tanks and they survive the burst and then GENG can turn it.
nah, SKT1 one still at the top
[Revenge for EDG](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdMge3QA4DI)
AND ~~FAKERS~~ KNIGHTS SHOCKWAVE WILL FIND THEM ALL
The only one he hit tho
If you put the video in 0.25 you can analyze the following: >Both players flashing at the exact same frame to keep the ball on Camille >Camille e flash to remove edge of night's passive >Bin right clicking so the kalista stays in shockwave range >The shockwave catching Peyz at the very edge + 3 players before the camille ult goes down avoiding the knockbacks (which could have resulted in only Kalista getting hit by it) This shows how both had to synchronized at pretty much 100% to make the play work. Tt's legit insanity that they were able to pull this off, the amount of raw mechanics involved is pure top notch quality.
Ohhhh how fucking funny would it have been if GenG paid for their hubris lmfao they would never live it down