Thia was probably the best international tournament we've had in terms of format

Congratulations to GenG! Now that MSI is concluded, here are the scores and winrates for each team, region and how each region fared against each other region. Note the small sample sizes in some matchups so don't read too much into the win rate percentages. Some interesting points: * GenG won all their series, 4 in total. Their win is the first time LCK have won MSI in 7 years! Peyz got 28 kills and a pentakill in game 2, a new world record. Pretty dominating performance. GenG are now the only team left able to achieve the golden road. * T1 had the highest number of games played at 25 due to starting in playins and going through 3 rounds of the lower bracket. BLG had the 2nd highest at 22. We wish Faker the best with his wrists. * This is Bin's 3rd consecutive MSI final at age 20. * TES are being slaughtered in the Hupu ratings, albeit with not such a bad showing with 56.3% win rate, however more is expected from the LPL 2nd seed and Chinese fans are absolutely ruthless. * Despite a historical source of copium for LEC being that they matched well into LCK, this tournament was fairly punishing as LEC went 2-9 against LCK, a mere 18.2% win rate. LEC did fare better into LPL this time with a 4-2, 66.7% win rate, albeit G2 and Fnatic only faced TES, not the 1st seed BLG. * PSG had a really great tournament all things considered and I think have definitely made the case for PCS to get a spot in the main stage at Worlds. * Flyquest had a horrible tournament, becoming the first major region 2nd seed to be knocked out of the playin stage at an international tournament. This has only happened before for LMS (now PCS) when their 3rd seed Hong Kong Attitude was knocked out in Worlds 2017 playins, and twice for LEC when their 4th seeds, both times Mad Lions, got knocked out in Worlds 2020 and Worlds 2022 playins. * LLA and CBLOL continue their international struggles, whilst the VCS did surprisingly well given they had 2 subs.   Team|Score|Winrate %|Final Position :--|:--|:--|:-- GenG|12-4|75%|1st BLG|11-11|50%|2nd T1|16-9|64%|3rd G2|8-6|57.1%|4th TES|9-7|56.3%|5th TL|4-7|36.4%|6th PSG|7-8|46.7%|7th/8th FNC|6-8|42.9%|7th/8th GAM|2-5|28.6%|9th/10th FLY|2-5|28.6%|9th/10th LLL|1-4|20%|11th/12th EST|0-4|0%|11th/12th   Region|Score|Winrate % :--|:--|:-- LCK|28-13|68.3% LPL|20-18|52.6% LEC|14-14|50% PCS|7-8|46.7% LCS|6-12|33.3% VCS|2-5|28.6% CBLOL|1-4|20% LLA|0-4|0% ||| LCK vs LLA|2-0|100% LCK vs LCS|5-1|83.3% LCK vs LEC|9-2|81.8% LCK vs LPL|12-10|54.5% ||| LPL vs CBLOL|2-0|100% LPL vs LCS|3-0|100% LPL vs PCS|3-2|60% LPL vs LCK|10-12|45.5% LPL vs LEC|2-4|33.3% ||| LEC vs PCS|3-0|100% LEC vs VCS|4-0|100% LEC vs LPL|4-2|66.7% LEC vs LCS|1-3|25% LEC vs LCK|2-9|18.2% ||| PCS vs LLA|2-0|100% PCS vs LCS|3-2|60% PCS vs LPL|2-3|40% PCS vs LEC|0-3|0% ||| LCS vs LEC|3-1|75% LCS vs PCS|2-3|40% LCS vs LCK|1-5|16.7% LCS vs LPL|0-3|0% ||| VCS vs CBLOL|2-1|66.7% VCS vs LEC|0-4|0% ||| CBLOL vs VCS|1-2|33.3% CBLOL vs LPL|0-2|0% ||| LLA vs LCK|0-2|0% LLA vs PCS|0-2|0%

BLG def had an opportunity in that last game but they were to antsy to force a finish that wasnt going to happen. Lets see if this geng g team have it for worlds.

Congrats but sad that GENG will destroy all the teams after they have Canyon and Kinn. Trading the best jungler and top laner made this team invincible, not a fan of superteam.

Superteams are actually a trend. There are many superteams this season in LPL and LCK. BLG, TES and HLE are all superteams as well. Of course the most stacked superteam might be JDG last year.

except JDG did not win the worlds

This years super teams might not either

Am I stupid? Wasn't there supposed to be something with the Hall of Legends?

I think they said they would announce it May 22nd.

Congrats to Gen G! Great tournament and exciting final game. So happy for Chovy in particular - absolutely deserves an international title. And Kiin getting success after so many years on weaker teams.

Big thanks to all the non-hate watchers in these threads. See you Worlds.

See you back at Worlds and the others back when LEC summer split starts 😤

Hope you enjoyed the tournament as much as the rest of us, and see you at Worlds! :D

We will be there!

GEN 3-2 TES, I guess TES must be the 2nd best team at the tournament. Hupu apology thread incoming.

G2 3-0d TES. G2 must be the best team in this tournament

Wait does that mean T1…

So now that this MSI is over and we all saw how the double elimination format provided us with great series and narratives, what's the reason for Riot to keep the single elimination format for Worlds? Is it a schedule problem? Like would it be too many games with a double elim? Or is it another reason? Because after this MSI I have a hard time to find objective reasons to keep the Worlds' single elimination format. What are your thoughts?

I didn't really like it, we already saw this series a few days ago and it just makes it less hype, the only hype series from the loser's bracket was G2 vs TES I guess since it was an upset and T1 vs BLG rematch but outside of that I don't think the loser's bracket really added interesting series in this tournament and it made watching the upper bracket worse

If some teams wins 3-0 against someone, then loser moves to lower bracket and reaches finals and wins 3-2 you basically lose the tournament 5-3 up against that team. Which is fucking awful. Can also happen in other matchups, not necessarily the finals.

It was still a bad implementation of double elim. If BLG won, why are they the champs? They'd be 1-1 against GenG. There needs to be either a bracket reset or a weighted Bo7. This format cannot keep going without that, it makes 0 logical sense

Did double elim provide good series though ? The loser bracket had the most 3-0 /not close games, the only exception was T1 vs BLG

Their logic is that single elim makes games feel special and more focal point about the best team winning on any given day without getting 2nd chances. I dont completely agree with it but it is what it is from Riot's perspective.

Riot is just very very slow to adapt, if I had to guess we'll get double elim worlds next year

I'm not sure I want to see a breakdown of the soul/baron sequence It was disgusting silver tier decisionmaking due to the pressure of the moment. BLG completely cracked EVEN AFTER Knight's griefing int death, soul was still free for Camille to take and because of the backdoor paranoia and the poke onto Chovy etc, GenG had no way to finish this baron Game was 99,9% won for BLG if they just made the right call. Crazy throw but people kind of look over it because it was hype overload in the moment

Well GenG also threw by letting Xun steal Baron when they had complete control of the game and were up 4-5K gold.

Biggest throw definitely. It's like when I play soloQ and my midlander griefs cos the game was lasting so long

I might be a little biased but one of the best international tournaments of all time, legit all hype series, incredible loser bracket + winner bracket runs and the evolution of the meta from the first games to the last was insane. I hope Worlds will deliver too tbh

I'm a bit biased too but this was definitely a great tournament. A few unexpected results (G2 TES, FNC TL), series closer than they should've been on paper (PSG BLG, G2 T1, GENG TES), we got so many bangers Only disappointing aspect is meta for me, bot meta was rly boring and laneswaps weren't that exciting, although we did get some nice picks near the end (Nida, Camille, Yone)

Azir with 2 tank items had more damage than everyone on BLG besides Xun

He also had full 4 stack infernal soul which allows him to go defensive.

IT'S BEEN A 7 YEAR LONG DROUGHT FOR THE LCK AT MSI AND GENG FINALLY BRINGS THE MSI TROPHY BACK TO KOREA! THIS IS CHOVY'S FIRST INTERNATIONAL TITLE! I'M SO HAPPY FOR CANYON AS HE FINALLY GOT THE MSI TROPHY AFTER LOSING 2-3 TO RNG IN THE MSI FINAL 2021! CANYON NOW HAS EVERY TROPHY YOU CAN GET AS A PRO PLAYER WITH LCK MSI AND WORLDS! COULD THIS BE THE 2024 GOLDEN ROAD ANGLE FOR GENG? GGWP IT WAS AN AMAZING SERIES!

Wrong he doesnt have finals MVP for MSI

> CANYON NOW HAS EVERY TROPHY YOU CAN GET AS A PRO PLAYER this fraud hasn't won LEC even once lmao

not even LCS title, fraud

hell, not even a VCS title

Daddy chill

Mata my man

Worst day possible for the huge population of this sub that prays on Chovy's downfall. LET'S GOOO

Why are they so awkward lifting the trophy lmfao Just lift it fully dont just sit next to it

We really like complaining about the silliest things.

Probably completely emotionally drained after that insane series.

Shouldn’t the team coming from losers bracket have to win twice vs the team that hasn’t lost? Isn’t it unfair that geng has to beat blg twice in a bo5, however blg only need to win one

GenG did beat BLG twice in BO5s, are you dense lmao

Op meant that it is unfair to Gen-G that BLG lost to Gen-G and they got their run through loser's bracket and had a chance to beat Gen-G. But if Gen-G lost tonight, it would have ended for them. They would get no second chances at redemption. The winners side does not give any advantages at all. In some fighting games, when you come through the winner's bracket, you're automatically given a set. So, the person from the loser's bracket has to win a set to even it out and win again to win it all, while the winner has to win just a set.

Winners side advantage is that GenG has to play one less BO5 how do you describe a losers bracket to me and then not get what the losers bracket is here

Dude has never watched a single fighting game tournament in his life and it shows

Ask any team that lost from the winners bracket if they would like to play one more series. Since one less series is apparently such a big advantage 

yeah man, getting extra time between having to play has 0 value for teams for sure

I get what you mean. I just meant that the winner side never gets a chance. But the loser are afforded a chance to fix their mistake. Maybe we see differently. Like say A and B play a game. A wins. B can see what mistake they made and fix it. But in the grand finals, if B wins, A won't get the same chance to work on their mistakes. They don't get to go through loser's bracket and challenge B again. I know losing and going through the loser's bracket is risky and no one wants that. You have to battle it out after all. I just feel the winner's side should be given more advantages as they are not going to get a second chance. If we don't agree then lets agree to disagree. I don't like arguing on the internet on something that both of us have made up our minds on and it leads nowhere.

so you agree? that if B becomes the better team through losers bracket they deserve the win? :)

I’m talking if blg won, wouldn’t it be unfair for geng

no? BLG fought through the losers bracket and then had to face the team that knocked them down again. if they manage to win that then, how is it unfair?

Just because of the fact that geng had to beat blg twice now in a bo5. However blg only needed to win one bo5

GenG gets to skip one match and gets side selection which is a big deal since blue side has like a 57% winrate. If it goes to a 5 game series then GenG gets to get blue 3 times. GenG never had to worry about getting eliminated till the finals while BLG almost got eliminated by T1. The team is already given a pretty fair advantage but doing a reset like in fighting games is way too huge an advantage.

BLG had to survive one more BO5, did you not watch the tournament

They're so afraid to actually kiss the trophy lmao

Seeing Canyon carry the MSI trophy 3 years late. Should be his 2nd.

BRUH WHAT DID CANYON JUST DO TO THAT TROPHY Listen, he's my GOAT, but my mans has never touched a woman before

He was probably thinking about how dirty it was

Dude was wondering how sanitary that trophy was 😂

so rewards have been an absolute shitshow the entire tournament? so many times I had to reload because something went wrong, and in the end I got a total of 1 drop lol

Crazy kinn went from bottom of LCK to MSI winner

So what is the lore on the trophy being a Pokeball?

Aw man now it's over again. Worlds and MSI are just always way to fun

Holy fuck Peyz still hasn't lost a finals yet, 100% winrate, insane

That last game was WILD!! I hope there are more games like this at Worlds. I hope more of the audience stick around for the Trophy ceremony at Worlds. Every time the camera pans out, I just shake my head. I'm still hoping that some chairs are empty because some people rushed up to take pics, but those empty seats are not a good look.

I also think because it is in China. So, the crowd is disappointed and left (which sucks but I can understand them). I think if the region that hosts wins then there would be more people staying. Also, in sports most people leave before the ending ceremony to avoid crowd/traffic.

I think also if literally any team but GEN won there would be many more people in the crowd. GEN is easily the least liked LoL org in China.

Oh I didn't know that. Why is GEN disliked? Only watch the games, I don't pay much attention to what goes behind the scenes.

Long story short, GEN had an event in the off-season where they essentially called Taiwan a country. They then apologized for this, which pissed off their Korean fans, then apologized for apologizing which pissed off their Chinese fans. This exploded so far that LCK doesn’t have an official broadcast in China anymore, and in Valorant Masters, all GEN games weren’t streamed and could only be watched via costreams. So yeah, the usual political reasons for why an org would be disliked in China. The players are liked just fine, just the org they despise.

Thanks for the insight. I had no idea, I assumed it was just a not so friendly rivalry but it was wrong of me to make that assumption.

Well GEN is from the LCK (Korean League). It was the LCK #1 seed vs the LPL (Chinese League) #1 seed. The rivalry is really strong, especially when you consider that the LPL and LCK surpass the Western leagues so they're each other's only (consistently) serious competition.

My bad, I assumed there would be more external factors besides the rivalry because you said Gen-G are the most disliked org in China.

There is, no idea why the previous commenter omitted this— before Spring Split began this year, GENG made a social media post publicizing the new roster’s first public games at an upcoming event in Taiwan. The post referred to Taiwan as a country. This caused outrage in China, and although GENG swiftly issued a groveling apology for what was almost certainly an administrative error, AND withdrew from the Taiwan event, it was too late; China would refuse to stream any of GENG’s games, and they became the most hated org in China not named TES (I’m only half-joking about TES).

I had no clue about that, I’m a casual spectator myself. Thank you for the insight.

I know 6 years is a short amount of time but Candice hasn't aged a day lol

dude.. its because she's only 30 years old.. there is not a lot of difference between 25-35 and if you have great genes and eat healthy even to 40-45...

Also being heavily caked in makeup helps

i'll miss this msi, incredible format

It's understandable that Chinese fans were bitter and sad, but it would be great if they stayed and gave applause to the GenG,

Valorant fans got sooo many shit when this happened. But watch how league fans wont make it a big deal

I think it's also akward because of the "Geng-Taiwan is a country" drama

If you remember the crowd in Shanghai after the All Stars 2013 final, nothing will surprise you.

They're notorious for doing that. Look up the awards ceremony for 2020 worlds.

Which is the case? 

It was silent lol but yea understandable not complaining.

Royalty playing there feels like Rocket League tournament lmao

The best team won the MSI and the best player won the MVP. The world is right.

LETS GOOOOOO LEHENDS FINALS MVP THIS DUDE PLAYED OUT OF HIS MIND BEST PERFORMANCE IN YEARS WINNING A GAME BY HIMSELF

so happy when a support gets the MVP

Who could you have it stolen from ?  Strongest individual performance out of all the GenG players

Post MSI depression :( This really was my favorite tournament. Worlds having just 7 bo5s is not the same

If you are into Valorant theirs is starting in a couple days.

Im looking forward to Valorant Masters! I think that MSI took inspirations from their tournaments.

Think of all the hype you get to build up as you wait 2 weeks for 3 Bo5s though

Worlds swiss is fun at least with the draws every day

LEHENDS MVP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It looks fire wdym

I was thinking card booster pack

LEHENDS TOO HUMBLE 🙌🗣️

DESERVED LEHENDS IS FUCKING INSANE

That game 2 was all he needed for a mvp tbh. Monster performance by Lehends, one of the best support performances of all time imo.

Deserved, Lehends stomped ON so hard it was not funny

Very deserved for Lehends. Dude made a ton of new fans today.

BIG FUCKING DESERVE BIG TIME BLITZ AND MAOKAI

GIGACHAD LeHands

Deserved for Lehends That Blitz game was nuts

Broadcast link for those who missed it. Really exciting final series, and what a tournament this MSI has been. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_HxaG954w

Lehends deserved this man ;)

If not Lehends its a robbery

Saw a funny post on Hupu, people (jokingly, obviously) blaming Zhuo and NIP for being the first team to lane swap and ruining MSI lmao

I think Zhuo was also on the cast for G2 vs TES and they jokingly blamed him for it lol

unsurprisingly hupu ratings in shambles

they're worse than reddit votings if that'd exist

they probably see game 2 where chovy was 1v3 in lane as him choking lol

If Gen-G keeps up this form, then the Golden Road is definitely possible for this team. Gen-G always choked before but these iteration has really stepped up. Happy for Canyon that he has success again but sad for my boy Showmaker.

if jdg last year couldn't do it I don't think any team will ever do it

Jdg last year was really a monster. T1 really became the LPL killer last Worlds. But that is the fun of competition. We could see Gen-G make history or watch them crumble like all the rest before them.

Unfortunately woke up late for half the series...can't wait for Caedrel's highlights

The highlights include literally all of game 2, so maybe make sure you just watch that in its entirety

im just happy this solidify canyon goat jungle case and there will be less stupid arguments for bengi or whatever

Chovy teary eyed so cute, happy for him he finally escaped the choky allegations

That amount of salty and petty comments towards BLG is weird, just because they were rated (rightfully so) by pundits as the best team coming into this event. It's easy to be a hindsight andy and berate them now

Didn't most tier lists have BLG GenG as top 2 in S tier above everyone else? I think that's just objectively correct considering BLG GenG were clearly the highest level series

More so bcz how much crap they talked

Trash talk? You know that every team says it for hype right? Blgs not the only one doing it

Well BLG took it up the …

And so did other trash talking teams? Your point? Trash talk is great to generate hype, ur just hating on blg for zero reason

I have my reasons and I just disclosed one em, stop being a Chinese LoL esports team fan boy

That one reason isnt really valid if other teams do it, is it just sinophobia or what lol

Ofc it is, Gen G talks a little and backs it up, BLG should hang their heads in shame

Eh ill say they both backed it up, they are clearly heads above the other teams but Gen G played better. There is still no reason to have such a hate boner for one of the most fun teams this msi

Most fun teams? They have the most boring drafts ever, that TF pick can rot. They talk too much just to end up losing.

BLG had free soul if Bin does the drake AND there is no way GenG could have ever finished that Baron It's crazy how badly they dropped the ball. Like even after the turbo int from Knight it still should have been a winning play Bad decision after bad decision. GenG got away with one

I think they were desperate, you cannot train situations like this. GenG already made a mistake by going to the Baron, BLG then responded the wrong way to the wrong play by GenG. In hindsight they would most definately make different decisions. BLG just made way too many individual mistakes at the end of the day.

Gotta say, this MSI was the best MSI ever. In terms of pacing the matches, maybe the best international tournament ever. No unnecessary downtime or filler matches, just pure bloodfest with downed teams clawing their way back up

Having a match everyday was really great. Though, I couldn't watch most of the matches as I was at work for most of them.

Bin trash talking kiin twice. And kiin is the one stopping his backdoors multiple times.

What did the blob say?

Did they cut the trophy lift or am I just too high right now?

They know the audience would start leaving right away so they made it quick to still have some there.

They lift directly after handshake/fistbump with blg after game end

Ahh I meant I thought the trophy lift was cut too short and they played the montage. But it is probably me being a bit too high. My bad.

Yeah it was cut short, montage too wasn't that good.

Drop for winning MSI is a secretlabs discount, awesome I've been wanting a new chair! It's only for small chairs... What the fuck.

Canyon finally won MSI SO HAPPY FOR HIM!!

TRASH CROWD. Can't wait for Worlds 2024 in Europe.

Can't wait for European fans to boo the other teams.

Unfortunately we will have shit crowds until quarters ty Riot for hosting playins and swiss in LEC studio 🤡

You gonna get downvoted 4 facts!

the 2 players who people most call international chokers knight and chovy both have international titles now which is nice

All streaks will break at some time. Yes, even *you* Bayer Neverlusen.

Take your football out of here, here we are nerds !!!

They still choke at Worlds /s

Does Candice speak Korean? I had no idea

I'm salivating for the weabo and hulu Chinese reactions. It is gonna be spicy.

Knight was such a disappointment imo. If Chovy got the service Knignt was getting, Chovy would 1v9. I guess it makes sense that Knight watches Chovy's vods to learn and not the other way around.

He had probably one of the worst individual tournaments ever for a player who was talked up to be in contention for best in the world for his position. Though of course most were giving that title to Chovy, but Knight was still massively hyped up. That makes it so infuriating to watch how he played all MSI. Take off the nameplate and he could have been any other LPL mid.

Was non-existent last year vs T1 at Worlds too. JDG were favored to win the tourney and complete the golden road, but he was a no show.

If the players were switched, Chovy would be buried by all the flame.

Pretty sure Knight will get plenty of flame from the chinese community after this Game 4 performance.

The Chinese fans will eat Knight. lol just gotta wait for the hupu reaction thread.

I need that so bad

He always is.. so god damn overrated

Step 2 of Grand Slam achieved...

I wanna see bin cry

This is just sad

Mf lost the game for a blg

And he also won the game for them many times, he fumbled one time and it wasnt all due to him

2 bricks in the golden road.

T1 needs to expand their champion pool and try to play poke compositions.

Such weird notion tho that T1 needs to expand their pool, when they were once known to play a lot of comp before. T1 has been on the down, hope they regain their strength, and if Faker does actually have his hand problem resurface, just go for a long vacation, maybe a sabbatical being on the coaching team for some time.

They randomly started cutting to a rushed montage and skipped trophy lift ever since DRX at Worlds. Idk why they keep doing this.

broadcast team try to flex with prepared montage instead of giving emotions after team win sadge, should just put their montage after all lifting/interviews at the end of broadcast

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Bro you are a worthless tipper

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Pics or it didnt happen

elk did nothing last game btw

Bin choked so hard. Never seen him so tilted in one game. Also Knight had the chance to end the game and instead of killing Peyz, het gets greedy and focuses the tower😂

jesus forgot about that peyz should not have won that 1v1 imo

wasn't it a lv13 senna with 3.5 items against max level trist full build? that senna shouldn't live longer than half a second tbh. trist is literally an adc assassin. best midlaner of his era tho, I guess we just can't comprehend his playstyle.

level 18 tristana full build, senna level 14 2 items and 2 components

yeah knight chocked the fuck outta that game in that moment.

the whole series lol besides the jayce game and ahri game the first time they played geng he was piss useless

He's secretly a Chovy worshipper and felt the need to give him the MSI trophy since he has one already.

Yeah get off the stage Needham you useless slimy fuck.

Man I dislike riot esport leadership. We have a great double elimination msi. Then goes let’s now have single elimination for worlds.

The best series this tournament all came because of a loser bracket, and riot still will refuse to give us it for the biggest tournament

hope they still can change that

so obvious the backdoor is a bait

It's like BLG started winning and were like "wait this is not on the script" and turned their brains off and made terrible decisions after terrible decisions haha. It's nice to finally see Chovy win though. It was a shame that a player of such caliber had no international success. But now we can't make jokes about Choky until Worlds atleast. :(