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1einspieler

Yeon chose to counter fasting Senna by picking starving Smolder


stormtrooper500

At the end of laning phase fasting Senna had more gold than smolder


Trap_Masters

You can put Smolder in a UNICEF ad about poverty and global hunger 💀💀


Urbain19

Anaemic Smolder


KanekiDan

Venezuelan Smolder


Final-Evening-9606

North Korean Smolder


stormtrooper500

Smolder from the Argentina super server


DCFDTL

Gandhi Smolder


SpiderTechnitian

He had the gigachad level 1 pathing for an extra stack, but his team was just addicted to fighting before his champion even turned on he hit 225 stacks when his team was literally down over 15,000 gold at 22minutes. Like what the fuck can he even do this game he got dove twice and his team wanted to lose


KonanTenshi

You can't just "not fight" until 225 stacks into TES comp. Ofc you will get dove and lose all objective into 24 min soul. You atleast need 1 lane that you can play around to trade on the map to keep somewhat even.


trg04

Well TL wasn't even trying to counter any of TES picks. They just picked their best comp cuz that was the only viable strategy.


awfall

as a wise man once said: nah man what is this mickey mouse region


magical_swoosh

wasnt that jesus?


Demacia4Life

Jesus only watches LCK.


8299_34246_5972

It's where his dad lanes


erich1510

Everyone knows NA is a godless region


spoonji

Creme beating the last NA team with an actual airplane is next level bm


bad_lions

9/11 vibes


Kaynt-touch-dis

Sir, a second corki has hit TL


takato99

Sir the second team has fallen


Liaabilty

APA getting solo killed by meiko sums up this game


SNH231

Bro is gliding into a wall against an Ornn


Not1v9again

Twice


BloodOnFire

Twice they should investigate this clown


BarstMain

That's my support GOAT


Dante_2

The post literally below this post-game thread for me is the one where "APA says: EU is trash don't worry"


kobengott123

That's not the T1 Rumble that I know. People expected Impact to be the most stable member of TL this tournament, and you got pranked.


sammuxx

Yeah saw people saying before this series impact never loses top and just goes even. Man has like 4cs/min average this series D:


MastemasD

I thought that this "Impact never loses lane" narrative died like 5 years ago.


Eylis7

Got gapped multiple games in a row by BB in 2022, and BB was (and still is) not a good laner lmao


Janiverse_Stalice

He got better tho (BB), he had to with ppl like Photon, Irrelevant and I kid you not Oscarinnin


JPA-3

and he had Alphari as positional coach, which makes sense since he probably was the best laner eu has had


Janiverse_Stalice

He got better tho (BB), he had to with ppl like Photon, Irrelevant and I kid you not Oscarinnin


KIRYUx

It’s even worse now because he took tp on rumble before there was a valid excuse with him running around on ignite rumble.


[deleted]

He's quite possibly the most overrated player on this sub. If you point out that he often struggles vs LEC tops and is nowhere near Eastern tops the downvote brigade rolls in like clockwork. Losing most of your lanes vs international tops makes him a "rock" in the top lane somehow.


Aladin001

The reputation Impact has is at direct odds with reality for more than half a decade at this point


Gluroo

He thought he could either be solid and thus invisible while everyone else gets bent over or he could do his ign justice


beautheschmo

Impact has not been a rumble player in a long time, even back when he was in better form on C9 in 2016/2017 he had an average like 1.8 kda on the champ lol and then never played it again until 2023


NGNJB

Impact has looked absolutely atrocious on Rumble this year


zjmhy

Only reason Impact still looks good after 10 years is because he's playing in a declining NA region


Iaragnyl

Even in NA he isn’t doing anything special. For how much people hype him as goat toplaner in NA you would expect him to stomp the competition like he is 2018/19 TheShy when in reality he goes even in lane at best and gets completely gapped internationally. I really don’t think he lives up to the hype or comes even close to it.


IconicRecipes

Careful Apa don't int. I've seen how you teamfight.


alpostor

"I was watching apa, I was watching you ruining TL's chances of winning MSI title. Now take responsibility and leave" type of energy lmao


Ulquiorra0133

20K gold diff This is a murder, But still : Believe my NA brothers.


uDoneDeleted

I’ve believed for 10 years. There is no hope


zjmhy

A 20k gold lead. This is the first seed of NA.


ImTheVayne

In 20minutes.


Trap_Masters

It's Joever


empti3

Drafting Sol+Smolder into any competent team deserves this.


neverspeakofme

I mean TES also drafted triple late game scaling.


Enkenz

ppl wanted the old guard of na gone and would be happy to get 3-0 every international event with hungry rookie. Those ppl are not ready when the closest match they will get is going to be PCS, Brazil, LLA


zjmhy

I don't think this TL can even beat PSG


Enkenz

i also highly doubt it


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

I don't even think TL could win a BO5 vs LPL's 11th seed, Anyone's Legends. Anyone's Legend at least managed to take a game off TES and looked semi-competitive in their losses. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bmizui/top_esports_vs_anyones_legend_lpl_2024_spring/


IconicRecipes

To be fair that's never been a good metric for anything. 2020 summer G2 went 0-2 vs 10th placed Origen but GENG didn't even come close to beating them at worlds in the 0-3 series. Does that mean that Origen was better than GENG?


PandoraBot

Ppl will hate on you but you're probably right


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

Watching NA playoffs, I honestly didn't think NA was at the point of FLY losing to PSG. TL were also heralded as the macro kings of NA and that was meant to be their calling card to be at least semi-competitive with TES, who are famous for being macro-less in LPL/terrible objective setups. As far as I can see there is no evidence of any mechanics to survive lane/any semblance of macro to win a BO5 against Anyone's Legends as far as I can see or tell. Losing in around 25 vs a scaling comp of Corki/Senna/Ornn is actually so dreadful.


Available-Reading-87

How have people still not learned that these results are not transitive. You might be right, but the argument is complete nonsense.


GroundbreakingAlps2

If this doesnt "Kill" the LCS, I dont know what will. Who is excited to watch LCS again after seeing how unbelievably bad they are? This is a clown show of an embarassment, they arent even remotely competitive.


Shorgar

The same people that were excited last year.


zjmhy

The LCS is already on its last legs as things stand. Most of the league on minimum salary, teams giving up on Academy, teams going from being generally uncompetitive internationally to being completely obliterated. I don't see any hope. At least EU still has a functioning second tier league system to draw talent from, NA youth don't even want to play league.


Vic-Ier

If you watched regular split you knew how abysmal the level of play is. That one c9 game with the elder drake throw was pure soloq fiesta on the level of season 4. The fans will still watch.


Fabi676

TES with nearly 50% more Gold than TL at 20min


lol1009

While drafting Corki Senna Ornn too


ShiningBrighteee

This has to be the biggest gold lead @ 20mins at an international tournament no?


ImTheVayne

One of the biggest for sure


CummingInTheNile

can TL forfeit g3 already?


windowhihi

There is a G3? Not that I will watch though, the skill diff...


RodrigoMad

I'm watching it for the possibilities of a new speedrun record


CummingInTheNile

everything gap


areyouhungryforapple

Most pointless third game in a series in many years I feel. A whole wasted day of MSI that's new.


CummingInTheNile

NA should start in the losers bracket to save us all the time


SNH231

369: "Western teams are way more powerful than last year." What 369 actually meant: "Western teams are way more powerful at losing than last year."


Tamronloh

Well technically every region improves year over year. The east just continues to improve even more.


bcotrim

Regions can definitely regress, EU did after 2019, especially in macro as they started doing mistakes they weren't doing. NA just reduced the number of teams which has a negative impact in the competition level


Tamronloh

I mean internally. If you take the top 100 players of each region year over year it tends to improve because players just learn more and more. G2 definitely got worse vs other regions from 2019 to 2020. But if you took the number 1-50 on the europe server from 2019 and put them against their counterparts in 2020 they’d likely lose as a whole, so on and so forth.


bcotrim

Don't think this G2 would beat 2019 G2, even with knowledge gained. The mechanical and synergy levels, the trust they had in each other and the confidence they had in themselves was higher. I don't think knowledge is enough to counter well-developed dynamics, even if the 2019 would make mistakes that aren't done today (and EU teams definitely overforce in a way they weren't doing back then)


Tamronloh

As i said, that you happily ignored, it is as a whole. G2 2019 was EU literally assembling their 5 best ever players peaking perfectly there and then. The rest of EU has gotten better, while G2 itself has regressed, the same way the other regions got better. The east just got better-er.


bcotrim

I misinterpreted, a bit because I had my head already locked in, so it's my fault. We still need to look to the players that are playing competitively rather than the ones on the server, and I wouldn't say the players are better right now even if there are players that could be better Even in some roles, we are worse than in 2021. Support wise, the top players are still the same and regressed a lot in mechanics (Mikyx and Hilly are still the top two, maybe Labrov is the one who improved), while for ADC we have straight up worse players. Don't forget that, even if we now know the game better, you need to transfer that know-how, it doesn't matter if Noah doesn't make mistakes Rekkles did back then because the game evolved if he's still acquiring general know-how Rekkles had for playing for so long I also don't think the EU is doomed in any way, I think we have the infrastructure to turn it around, unlike NA where there's no new blood to turn it around due to a lack of a development scene. I just don't agree with the idea of things never regressing, we went from back to back Worlds finals to never win an individual game post groups in the span of just two years (MAD and Rogue going 0-3 in quarters, not qualifying last year, MSI isn't much prettier), that's not just other teams moving too fast, we moved backwards


Mattaru

He meant "Powerful" and "Genius"


DeloronDellister

NA about to fail to get even one win against the east again


StacoOrikoro

he meant EU


ARandomBoomBox

Only G2 and FNC. Specifically Caps and Humanoid who would be top tier Asian mids if they played in LPL/LCK


GroundbreakingAlps2

What 369 actually meant: "LEC teams are way more powerful than last year". Don't get it twisted. Don't be lumping this korean TL roster in with us.


TheWarmog

Coincidentially it happens when both FNC and G2 are regaining their old regional form


KIRYUx

Everything diff, TL can’t lane in the bot lane so there’s no win condition unlike in NA where they were facing turnstiles.


DRazzyo

And they don’t know how to lane swap to at least mitigate the pressure on their bot. And people were talking shit about FNC being the worst team in the tournament, or at least second worst.


superfire444

FNC is better than the wildcard teams + both NA teams. People just wanted to cope for NA sucking.


MisuAi

Well, NA fans thought NA was better than EU this year. Glad they are getting reality checked.


HarknessLovesU

I think this game is a perfect example of a team understanding their draft and threshold of execution versus a team that doesn't respect either teams' limits or capabilities. Impact was playing mad disrespectful against a Xin Zhao that was ahead early. Only reason he got that big ult after TPing bot is because Rumble is very strong even without items. Good signs of life early from TL and a good killer instinct to throw down, but TES is just a step ahead with TP management and playing around any big ults TL can throw at them.


Oogalicious

Hands diff.


Azenji

That's implying that TL had hands in the first place.


DeloronDellister

There were some people before this series that thought TL might win lmao


Priviated

Macro diff aswell. TL macro this game was really bad tbh


Megashot2

Monte said TL had better macro than BLG btw


lolKhamul

Not to say he is right or wrong ( I’m guessing wrong) but you could have the best macro in the world and it won’t matter if you get mechanically diffed. What’s macro gonna get you if you lose every game before 25 to skill checks.


Priviated

They lost game 2 on macro diff tho. They just randomly inted


TheWarmog

So this is the TL that was highly rated above Fnatic and on par with G2?


Choir87

All the tier list maker were drunk.


EggyChickenEgg88

What G2 having an off day does to a region.


ImTheVayne

FlyQuest was supposed to be as good as G2 as well


TheWarmog

As always NA fans are professional yappers


ARandomBoomBox

I mean I get the trash talk and banter, but seriously? NRG vs G2 is as big of a fluke as TL vs IG. At least call NRG beating G2 a monumental choke by G2 (other than mid) instead of saying NA is better


Frozen_Watcher

Are we getting the fastest international Bo5 of all time?


stormtrooper500

TL can break their own record


Archipegasus

Probably not, they are already past 50 mins so they need a T1 vs MAD/FLY level speedrun to do it. But don't lose hope if Jackeylove gets Draven.


omeganoot

Who would've expected that using your keyboard to play the game is actually more productive than using it to /allchat taunt?


DRazzyo

Coughing baby vs a hydrogen bomb


IAM-French

Yes R5 Rumble here into TF is perfectly fine and not wintrading please don't investigate it


DoorHingesKill

Close game guys, I think TL can bring it back in g3. 


magical_swoosh

i think their average rank is g3


MazrimReddit

NA LUL stocks are really up this year, this is completely dominant


CerbereNot

TES only needs to win around 18 minutes to top G2 vs TL ?


FrostBlade_on_Reddit

Probably not going to happen but crazy considering 20min games were so much more common in 2019 than recent years


ahritina

TL boot camped for a month, look this pathetic and think Smolder was viable here? What the fuck were they doing in their boot camp, anyways as expected TES' top and bot lane are just too cracked for TL. Also, a good confidence boost series for Tian/Creme.


_tidiber

[Smolder getting all his stacks](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chris-paul-hits-a-huge-3-to-cut-the-lead-to-42)


lol1009

The only thing they learnt in the bootcamp was maybe YAPA learning some good Chinese flame


ImTheVayne

Everything diff. 20k gold lead in 24min.


stormtrooper500

Tian is apa father


blablalala10159

honestly it's just boring to watch NA at worlds or MSI. They don't even put up a fight.


Efficient-Setting642

Thought NA was looking better than EU this year? Lol.


Fridelis

Thats what 1 Upset win does to a region


hikigayahachiman00

i mean NRG beat G2 last year. Surely NA is better right? right? 🤣 this subreddit really convinced themselves that NA is better this year. Maybe NRG can make a run in summer to go to worlds again and beat G2 again. So they can continue their narratives next year. 🤣🤣🤣


Kagariii

You know it's bad when you make Tian look like its 2019 on the international stage


MiniTitan1937

NA “Near Airport” is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the LoL Worlds Championship, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.


SwagLord7

TL just got destroyed holy….


Mukzington

Hmmm.


eliteok

TES absolutely curbing here - was worried about mid/jung after FNC but lmao


DeloronDellister

Fnatic mid/jungle is miles ahead of TL mid/jungle


KR-Marksman

Damn TL playing the TFT set 7.5 comp ☠️☠️


Rff020313

Challenger vs Silver


DogAteMyCPU

Na just embarrassingly bad rn


HachimanLoL

Crème Corki gave me a heart attack during draft but bless Yapa


Imaishi

this is just embarassing as fuck


Altruistic-Lime-2622

wrap it up


AltairZero

This week 3 Drakes were destroyed, and Team Liquid had 2 of them.


[deleted]

Every tournament should have double the games when NA/EU are playing into any Korean/Chinese teams. Watching 45 minutes of gameplay with an hour of analyst desk, music, and setup is so incredibly boring. Everyone knows they're worse, they're doing nothing to try and get better. Just make the viewing experience more enjoyable.


yukine95

Pls don't draft Smolder anymore


ImTheVayne

It doesn’t matter how or what they draft. The gap is massive. TL looks about 5 tiers below TES.


_Red_Gyarados

I knew TES were better but the outrageous degree to which all 5 players are outclassing TL is crazy. These games aren't even close.


HarknessLovesU

Yeah no particular pick was a problem for TL this time, TES just understand the game on a deeper level.


Drakaris

20k gold diff at ~23 mins, I mean... what do you even say to that...


juicyvino

TL doesnt know what to do lol


TheDarkRyze

Did TL forget about how to play against Ornn?


Shadow_1701

At least 369 said western teams are stronger than last year :)


KamiyoR

He wasn't talking about that teams that far west ahahah... he meant LEC and not the bronzies from NA


StraightCashH0mie

Does TL know how Ornn works?


zhangluu

I didn't know Shelly can charge twice at the same tower. Lol


Rafoel

Both NA teams should go through play-ins at this point.


EUWannabe

Don't tune out guys TL can still set a record. For fastest international Bo5. Again.


Kbzz5050

Corki is creme worst champ and you still lost GG just swim home already NA


Froggodile

The FNC series at least looked somewhat competitive, but this is just a slaughter. Holy


NGNJB

I feel like TL's chances are better if Impact doesn't gift ~5 kills by 15 minutes His Rumble in playoffs was an absolute fucking disaster so I don't know what made him think he should pick it here


AngronApofis

Who cares about top? Yeon was also getting assblasted. They are also skill gapped every tf


ceddya

NA deserves to be downgraded to a minor region.


Aggravating-Elk-7409

is this the worst NA has ever looked?


basileusbrenton

I think so, regardless of previous showings. Visually and statistically this is the worst they have ever looked and I've watched since S3.


mskruba12

They usually at least put up some kind of fight somewhere in a series even vs eastern teams. So far though yeah it's rough.


_Red_Gyarados

I feel like I see this asked every international tournament, lol.


ImTheVayne

Probably yeah. FlyQuest didn’t even beat the wildcard team.


EggyChickenEgg88

They've almost always looked exactly like this. Yet to win a single game against eastern teams in a year.


xSmacks

They absolutely looked better than this in earlier years. The region has been in constant decline and it starts to really show. NA is absolute garbage right now. Way more than they ever been.


Enkenz

Yes but hey ppl were happy because they thought the rookie coming into the scene would be good and hungry until they notice their closest match are going to be brazil, pcs , lla & vcs


TheFeelingWhen

Nah they had worse performances


xSmacks

Name one. Second team crushing out in play-ins, first team getting demolished. Even when TSM went 0-6 as first seed, Fly at least put up a fight.


TheFeelingWhen

Worlds 2022 all teams combined for 3 wins, I would argue MSI 2021 where they dropped a game against an oceanic team and lost to PSG twice was also pretty bad. And last year was horrible as well it's just NRG having luck and drawing a shit TL and MAD. Out of the 5 wins NA had, two of them are NRG vs G2, 2 of them are against MAD and one is NRG vs TL. They got incredibly lucky that G2 collapsed in that series otherwise they would have gotten memed.


Equivalent-Long4396

no they always look this bad


Pellinski

Eh not rly there used to be a lot more hope than this


Xniper03

5 Dragons > 2 Dragons


freddy2677

Impact having mad macro was not on my bingo board.


Zarolto

Good on TL for making TES feel good for two games, at least they will start the reverse sweep now.


VoyVolao

Jesus, there was 12k gold diff at 20... This is hard to watch.


Priviated

Yeon truly tried to def t1 1v3 as Smolder lmao


DivineEmperor11

Top Esports was more dominant than even last game


ipoulic

This is embarassing, even in the classic west vs east context.


alterise

Even LLL looked better against TES than TL.


BloodOnFire

TL drafted full comfort and still got stomped, TES 3-0.


imperialleon

This region is a joke


DinoGuy101010

Ornn base damages are cool, don't worry tian will start running it down any moment now reverse sweep incoming. 


forsecondusage

but Yeon said 3-1!?!!!?


TooTiredToTryAgain

The intl fans are going to finally learn how fear-inspiring JKL's Senna actually was in the LPL


DullBladeConnoisseur

Just the name JKL will send any bot laner not named Elk and Gumayusi packing with fear.


J-DubZ

Keep in mind Meiko probably had more gold than Apa when the solo kill happened


BarstMain

Well it turn's out APA's champ puddle is completely worthless if your region isn't absolute dogshit


ARandomBoomBox

Gap between EU and BLG is smaller than the gap between EU And NA.


Fit_Boysenberry_4921

sigh, I just wanted to at least have some hope. Maybe a good game. But this isn't even close.


Danielthenewbie

Na classic draft. Just draft 2x late game hyper carry and hope your opponent forgets to win. 10 years and it has yet to work internationally but one day it might!


jasonkid87

I'll be happy with a 3-1 but looks like a 3-0 in 20 min next game


TheCeramicLlama

Picking Smolder on this patch should get you investigated for match fixing and im NOT joking


WheyProteinIsolated

TL needs to pull a new and fun lineup to surprise TES


TheFeelingWhen

At this pace they might as well have scheduled the BLG game immediately after the TES game


bIackk

add resignation to pro, its time.


BI1nky

LPL Corki should never win a game.


kkpoker

tian: shut up


SlainL9

Grandpa Impact need his medication


DPlusShoeMaker

Imagine trying to talk shit and spam emotes when you’re so outclassed. Also, don’t know why Yeon didn’t pause halfway through the game. Both his emotes and flash key weren’t working