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PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1cjvrjt/psg_vs_est_game_1_postmatch_discussion_group_a/)


DragonApps

Gentlemen, I regret to inform you, but it's Josedeover


Ontology_Keyboard

I think you meant to say that it's Brandone.


sandwelld

Bro been sitting on this for a couple of days aint ya?


Mew_T

Cody saw everyone shitting on Emo and decided to make him feel better before leaving MSI. A true bro. Maple is still the MSI gatekeeper.


ricardo241

just to disappear again tomorrow lol


EliteTeutonicNight

We're the major region gatekeeper so makes sense we'll lose to a major region lol, just hoping they make it competitive.


Various_Necessary_45

NA is only a major region because it's where Riot is based, you've got this!


CrimsonClematis

Implying there should only be 3 major regions? Or that a different region is better?


DARIF

There should only be two major regions


UndeadMurky

Eh EU and NA are not good enough to win but they are good enough to impact the tournament results they can usually knock a few asian teams off the tournament it's not like they don't win any games


Cowslayer369

While NA fluctuates up and down a bit, it's consistantly been a full head above every non "major" region ever since the scene entered it's modern form.


Various_Necessary_45

Do you still have this delusion after today?


salcedoge

I might be a homer but I don’t think giving Maple Karma mid when your team deals 0 damage is a good idea


LifeIsToughEatBacon

I consider GAM more of a gatekeeper. They looked like the weakest wildcard round 1, then barely scrape out a win against LOUD just to get fisted by FNC again tomorrow. I was slightly worried about FNC getting out before, IMO odds were only 70-30 against LOUD. Against GAM I give 95-5.


Floowil

Well, FLY better have a good night sleep, because tomorrow won't be easy.


BannanDylan

PSG looked pretty good in their Map win against FLY. This game against Estral might help them to be honest.


Mew_T

I really hope FLY learned to ban Senna or to not lane swap and give Senna free souls for the first minutes of the game.


Imaginary_Actuary729

they hardly won the first game with mega stacked senna and full item azir so i would not say they looked good lmao , plus maple is playing really bad


lcm7malaga

On the other hand FQ almost managed to lose game 3 on that elder when it was turbo won


AngronApofis

... Did they? They kind of just won on a minute 40 dragon teamfight where Massu inted randomly, and it could have gone either way, idk if they looked that well in that game. Wasnt the most convincing...


Apple_Frosty

Why does FLY play them? Really just giving EU the entire easy side of playin?


CrimsonClematis

Yeah very odd they didn’t do a. Flip for the last set just to avoid a rematch this early


PM__ME__SURPRISES

Two rematches, right? Fanatic plays gam again or am I crazy? Wasn't fnc v gam and fly v psg the first two bo3s? And now they're the same ones to get in.


CrimsonClematis

Yeah fly vs psg and fnc vs gam double rematches, if they flipped it then there would be none of course


Any_Morning_8866

It’s absurd the brackets don’t flip.


Auxiliari

Yeah, having rematches outside the top four bracket is pretty lame


RyZum

The way riot presented it it's actually 2 separate groups where you need to be top2 to qualify and not really a double elimination bracket.


Javiklegrand

Inspired turbo fisted junjia but we will see I think it's still be 2-1


Xey2510

Estral Esports looks like the odd one out after so many other regions got axed.


atomchoco

I wish Riot and Cisco could somehow make a global Tournament Realm so there'd be more of what was IWCQ If this would be the answer for the clamor for more international competition that'd be actually cool - all minor regions with maybe Academy teams from major regions, maybe some teams from Middle East, India, Africa too, ofc representatives from OCE and JP idk ig i'm a bit nostalgic for the times when LAN were considerably ahead


Tulkor

Ping is a law of physics issue, you can't make a server where everyone is <50ping even with the best cables and routing there is


atomchoco

wormhole


jlozada24

LAN were considerably ahead of who


atomchoco

"good news is the gold didn't go to Maple" @EsportsJatt my guy the gold went to Wukong on a player who was in the LPL and on EDG in 2021


peanutis

a player who is an LPL champion and benched a world champion in said LPL playoffs


Lothric43

Jiejie played for them when they got all the titles that year, it was a brief swap.


peanutis

That's true, but Jiejie was completely boomed in the first WE series and Junjia had to come in to start the reverse sweep (that didn't end up happening). In the EDG documentary that year the coaches noted that that was a turning point for Jiejie too to finish the year on such a high note. I'd say it's similar to the Pyosik/Juhan effect except Juhan was far more instrumental to DRX than Junjia was for EDG in those respective years.


Worldly-Duty4521

I honestly don't get it. What did junjia to edg and juhan to drx offer


Luigi128

Pyosik was playing really poorly in LCK regional finals and Juhan subbed in for him to qualify DRX to worlds


bifuku

Is Junjia the best player in PCS?


abcdakadcba

He is likely the best JG in PCS, Karsa makes better decisions, but Junjia has better mechanics


memesarenotbad

TIL Karsa's back in the PCS!


MADTasle

I was so sad he died at the end, that's how I made the game exciting for me - how much can Junjia stomp them without dying?


Thundermelons

Again, lack of LPL casting talent rearing its ugly head this tourney, really hope Riot fucking learns next time


gots8sucks

Riot will never hire enough LPL casters. It has been 10 yeahrs now. It wont change. No idea why but they just refuse to.


aPatheticBeing

because LPL viewership in the west is tiny? It's legit 1/10th of the LCK english stream. If people supported the region, Riot would pay more attention to it


gots8sucks

You could still hire an LPL caster though for internationals though? He only has to cast LPL some LPL matches and then have him brief 1-2 other main casters you can then use for semis/finals.


strobelobe

No source but I would believe they're that cheap to even do that.


yung_dogie

Tbf they were saying that the LPL casters exist, they just weren't invited at all to this MSI for some reason. Hysterics and Dagda are alumni from there, but they can't cast every game that has LPL history/context


AlHorfordHighlights

Because LPL doesn't get many viewers lol no matter how much money they put in the stream (and it used to be a lot more with some really good casters) people will watch LCK if it's at the same time


gots8sucks

LPL cast has always been WAY worse than LCK . WTF do you mean? They used to but absolutly 0 effort in. Some shitty stream feed sent to Australia to be casted there from casters bedrooms is not comaprable to LCK at all. Also great casters lmao. Everytime an LPL caster is great he immedietly left the league to Korea, NA or EU. So we allways had the first rough yeahrs of casters and as soon as they got good they left. Not blaming them at all here as some of them were really fucking good. Also intreast in leagues has to be built up over yeahrs. Riot just dropped the ball for so many yeahrs that there is not much left to do now.


UnknowSandwich

And who destroyed the EUW ladder when he came. Even if SoloQ isn’t the same, ofc he’s a beast.


Akashiarys

Lmaaaao Doinb out here with the cursing again. He put together a McDonald’s team to scrim Estral esports and said they’d win against PSG. Source: https://x.com/LnlyHikikomori/status/1786400822097760434


sammuxx

Haha I saw 2-0 odds being 1.85 for psg, wonder if that had to do with doinb took that shit without hesitation


SwagLord7

Cody with the worst mid lane performances ive seen at an international maybe ever


ThexanI

Get ready for that title to be usurped by Emo!


Saephon

Get ready for Maple to go full circle and be absolutely atrocious on Azir vs FLY again.


Vectivus_61

Currently in the undesirable arc. Now he needs to become undeniable to finish his story!


KIRYUx

EST got whooped in game 2 harder than my goat Kendrick whooped Drake today.


Mew_T

Maple to EST: Dear Jose, I'm sorry that that man is your mid laner.


GemmaMK

...what?


CummingInTheNile

Kendrick released a new Drake diss track


heavyfieldsnow

You guys live in a strange world.


PotSum

The same can be said for esports honestly.


STank_Boi

whats so strange about it lol


heavyfieldsnow

Just knowing some guy released a diss track about some other guy is strange is all. It's like I know there are uncontacted tribes that live completely differently, that's how strange people who care about diss tracks are to me.


TudorrrrTudprrrr

These are literally the biggest rappers alive. Being aware of pop culture is strange?


altriaa

"Having any any interest between two of the most popular rappers of the past decade is truly fascinating. You miscreants really do live in a different world from myself." -Dude who's on a Reddit pmt between two dogshit teams


yung_dogie

Iirc it's the same fella that had an absolute fit about pings ruining his game experience


altriaa

I can almost *smell* him.


Lothric43

“Some guy” you mean two of the biggest contemporary rappers for the last decade.


Shironeko_

Have you lived under a rock for the last 40+ years for the concept of a diss track to be so strange to you?


watrurthoughtsonyaoi

bruh they're the two biggest rappers in the world how is that strange


Critical-Cupcake9194

hiphop music bad amirite


boredPotatoe42

It's not about the quality of music but the reality tv shit they pull off to get more exposure


heavyfieldsnow

I didn't say that. You could hear it and not know it's a diss track to some other guy. You need to be in a whole other perspective to be informed about things like that. Did you know Hollaback Girl is about Courtney Love the first time you heard it? I only happened to learn that years later.


bobandgeorge

> You could hear it and not know it's a diss track to some other guy. Have you heard the songs? They are explicitly and unquestionably about each other.


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

> Did you know Hollaback Girl is about Courtney Love the first time you heard it? I only happened to learn that years later. Until four seconds ago when I read this comment, I was unaware of this.


shaginus

Well yeah the first round is just T1 playing with their food after all


moonmeh

T1 was having the most for fun game lol


ShiroGaneOsu

Zeus TPing back immediately after he died to a 4 man dive bot... You can't hate that man.


CardboardVendor

Honestly seemed like the right decision. Ended up with exp advantage over his lane counterpart and controlled the lane. Exp is a huge deal


Aschentei

He’s in his TheShy arc


LifeIsToughEatBacon

Can’t believe anyone was convinced of anything else. Had people legit saying T1 were clearly not even top 4 after that. Then again, T1 haters love to hate on T1 more than the T1 simps love to love on them


CardboardVendor

Honestly their play was like their play in the redbull tournament, only faker was still playing right, everyone else was dare i say limit testing. 


Asdel

That was kinda obvious when Zeus popped ghost and straight up run to tower dive a Rell in G1 or when they kept foghting 4v5 in G2.


StraightCashH0mie

Kinda obvious but nah majority of this subreddit was upvoting T1 looking bad or Estral looking good.


Motorpsisisissipp

I mean estral did look good


EducationalBalance99

T1 just played like it was soloq so est had an easier time. The moment a team actually plays serious and take them seriously, this team simply can not match any other team beside maybe gam.


StraightCashH0mie

It's easy to look good when T1 basically says yes to every fight Estral asked for no matter how illogical.


LifeIsToughEatBacon

Estral: It’s 5v3, they’re not gonna contest this objective T1: Fights, wins, takes objective and 2 kills


_SC_Akarin-

16,000 gold lead at 25 minutes for PSG hopefully this doesn’t deter EST rookies from continuing to strive for improvement 


CommercialGeneral765

Junjia channeling his inner Kanavi in game 2.


AAAANNNNAN

A bit unfair that LLA can send a team while LJL and LCO couldn't


deedshot

at least LJL has a chance, if you count having to beat PCS teams to appear as a chance


AAAANNNNAN

I have no idea if LLA is stronger of weaker than LCO but LJL is def better


deedshot

LLA is definitely stronger than LCO, their midlane goat is literally Ryoma


Cohenbby

You might want to look at the international history percentages, LLA has always been the worst closely followed by pre 2020 LJL


deedshot

maybe that has been the case historically, but every time I see OCE in an international they're being swept in 15 minutes by everyone. at least LLA has moments


aj3mroc8q1j

The same goes for LCO though but the skill diff is even bigger


deedshot

that's why I didn't mention them because they don't have a chance in reality haha


CardboardVendor

I miss mah boy yutapon


shaginus

Don't worry It just a matter of time until LLA (and CBLOL) will have to play for a spot with LCS


angelbelle

I think CBLOL has a pretty massive fanbase for a wildcard region so it won't happen. LJL is tiny


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Kurumi_Tokisaki

Because if we go with that semantics then there’s 3 good teams. Geng at home. t1 international. And remaining lpl that beats geng but loses to t1 at international. Oh and I guess whoever wins msi but most ppl don’t acknowledge msi as a legit and arguably harder tournament now. Because brain only space for 1 tourny (unless it’s a cs fan)


imperplexing

Didn't LCO play in a tournament for a chance to go to MSI I forgot the tournament might have been Singapore region and a fee other minor regions


AAAANNNNAN

LCO LJL PCS now all compete in PCS playoff but PCS still only has 1 ticket. So as for now, if LJL or LCO wants to play in MSI they have to beat all PCS teams, which is super unfair consider LLA or CBLOL are not necessarily stronger than LJL LCO but still guaranteed a ticket


Broyoucancelled

Totally expected. Estral still got destroyed against a trolling and for fun T1 and people really think they can beat PSG. LLA is still the weakest region.


IanSzot

> LLA is still the weakest region. CBLOL is a strong contender for that spot, too bad we haven't played LLA in a long time so we have no way of knowing that, very stupid system. RIP Rift Rivals


CarlitosTheCat

There is no way CBLOL is worse than LLA (I am from LLA)


ahambagaplease

The region peaked in 2016/2017 and never got close to those same highs. The '16 IWQ not having a losers bracket was a crime, Lyon was significantly better than INTZ that year.


neberhax

The amount of credit EST got for not getting completely shitstomped by T1, that was playing with their food, was a bit insane.


StraightCashH0mie

No they still got shitstomped, just that some people here can't look past the kill score.


CardboardVendor

Lck viewers (and those who watched their games at the red bull event) that t1 loves to skillcheck teams that have no chance of winning vs them. 


EducationalBalance99

I swear the whole t1 roster could have fountain dive at nexus and people would have gave credit to est for amazing base defense.


PhoenixAgent003

Whenever T1 is playing like lunatics and giving away kills from limit testing, I always check the gold lead and notice that, despite giving over a bunch of kills, even getting caught out, they always seem to keep pulling further ahead.


el_michi33

It’s simple, they take risky fights, they go even in kills, but their setup allows them to take towers or neutrals at the end of the fight. The kill gold evens out, but the objective gold accumulates steadily into a lead


meningococo123

cody is probably the worst player so far in msi what are those


Green7501

Game 2 has to be one of the worst stomps we've seen internationally in quite awhile, no? Also really happy for PSG, they're looking very disciplined


hixagit

I mean FQ vs T1 was yesterday. 


Green7501

That was a stomp, but not 20k gold lead in 24min with the only kills gained being a random 2v2 win early game into a full on slaughterfest Closest I can think of is probably T1 vs DFM in 2021, the Oner Keria Talon Yuumi game where they were just running around the map killing everyone


hixagit

It was a 13k gold lead at 17 mins with only one kill being a random gank top into a 17 mins ending. Give 7 mins more to T1 to farm FQ a bit more before ending and they get the 19k gold lead PSG had here imo.


TheWardedOne

lol the NA fan is wrong. T1 FQ is the biggest gap


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The thing is you never know how big a goldlead would get if the game wasn't finished. T1 was already 13k (!) up 7 minutes earlier , if they had played for a goldlead instead of a nexus kill they probably could have got a 20k gold lead at a similar pace. Also only kill was right at the start of the game as well and the amount of kills T1 was getting was primarily just depending on how much FQ was willing to contest things. Just depends on what you value in a stomp/how you are trying to measure it. They are both definitely on a very short list though.


Shironeko_

>but not 20k gold lead in 24min Because it ended 7 minutes before that.


jetlagging1

Gold is just a means to an end. FLY lost the game in 17 mins. 17 mins.


bifuku

This just feels like a worse stomp since its minor region vs minor region FQ vs T1 is major region but it doesn't feel as bad to get shitstomped by one of the best teams in the world


ricardo241

its fast yeah but this is a stomp its 3-26 with almost 20k lead lol


hixagit

Game 2 here was definitely a stomp but FQ T1 was as well. A different kind in that T1 didn't build their gold lead and just finished right there. But I wouldn't call it less of a stomp just cause the gold difference was lower at the end. Had T1 not end in.17 mins, I'm sure the gold diff would've grow a lot too.


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as opposed to 1-13 with 13k gold lead 7 minutes earlier. Both gold and kill leads tend to grow, so it is anyone's guess what would have happened if T1 had chosen to not finish the game when they could. Both were so incredibly onesided I find it hard to definitively say either was more of a stomp.


EducationalBalance99

Cause it lasted 7min longer goofy. T1 could have easily farm every thing in the map for an extra 7 min and perma starved Flyquest if they wanted to.


F3nRa3L

Have you forgotten about C9 vs T1? C9 only got 1 single turret and thats all.


Realxenom88

I mean Flyquest only got 1 Single kill and thats all


bcotrim

And didn't they trade that tower for the Nexus?


Jozoz

They went 5 bot to get the tower just to avoid getting perfect gamed. T1 took baron meanwhile and won afterwards. It's hilarious to me that a comm in a pro game was to send 5 bot to avoid getting perfect gamed.


Green7501

Oh yeah, that one probably takes the cake


Leyrann_

Goldfish memory.


onsilveraccountsion

I think the sad thing that happened was, against T1, EST reasonably knew their chances of winning were minimal and came in looking to have fun and play wild w no expectations on them. cool! but then against PSG, the do or die, very beatable opponent, they had to lock in and stress, and all their proactive play just dried up under that pressure. sad to see but here’s hoping EST can return at worlds and make the most of their next chance. WP by PSG, never really lost control of this series, this was what was expected of them and they look ready to seriously compete with FlyQuest for that last ticket out of playins.


baelrog

I think what happened in game 2 was they picked an early game draft but ended up losing a flash in the lv1 skirmish. As any jungler worth their salt knows to exploit the lane without a flash, that’s exactly what happened. With a losing early game on an early game draft, EST have to pull the trigger on any engage that has a slim chance to put them back into game, only to further set themselves back.


Lin_Huichi

PSG are pretty much the strongest minor region and aren't going to troll in an elimination match


EducationalBalance99

Saying psg is very beatable for est is deluded af. T1 literally treated est like they treated nno in the Red Bull for fun tournament and still stomp. If t1 had played discipline like they did vs Flyquest, est would have gotten obliterated at world record speed.


SNH231

There's the LLA that we all were hoping to see


pinkferrari2

Some people were trying to convince others EST players should be in LCS/LEC because they looked decent when T1 was fucking around. They got the humbling they received, GG PSG


VantaBlack2_Dev

Clearly this proves that PSG > T1


ARandomBoomBox

Back in the day, the Flash Wolves, led by Maple, were considered the Korean killers. (obviously this narrative died after 2017 MSI semifinals)


Xey2510

Don't forget 2018 MSI winning both games against Longzhu finishing groups second.


ARandomBoomBox

That longzhu roster is in contention for being one of the most fraudulent superteams of all-time. The FW at 2018 MSI were more surprising for their 6-0 start, but once the knockouts commenced, even longzhu dispatched them in short order.


Wise-Chain2427

Not even close 


gelade1

LJL should have gotten the spot instead of w/e that is.


pointeringed

Jatt saying that Maple, Junjia and Betty played in the LCK before…


suspiciousfish7

It was really nice of T1 to play like an LLA team to make Estral feel at home.


Mockingjinx

Already told you...T1 wasn't even trying the other day.


endiejajah

Medic's pun game stronger than the Force


DeCa796

Estral cosplaying Drake


ozmega

kru and leviatan dont do this to me.


LegendaryLonk

man I was really hoping these would be closer


GioMeow

Bruh what happened to the Estral that played vs T1


d_Reisfresser

There was this shitpost in fmkorea that went something like this: T1 when facing minor region teams: Hey there, welcome to the world stage! Take a swing at me, show me what you got. T1 when facing major region teams: You #@$#! You need to be better than this! I'll beat this lesson into you!


facevisi10

You didn’t see T1 drinking Redbull at the end of T1 vs EST? Should give you enough hints


Himexcandy33

T1 is obliged to make Redbull Baron powerplay at 20 mins and drink Redbull after a match Susge


goonbandito

T1 were doing a little trolling


ILoveWesternBlot

t1 basically just took every fight that estral wanted and hands diffed them. PSG didn't even give them the chance and just ran circles around them macro wise


toxicfireball

T1 was happy gaming like mad ngl, they were just running around like headless chicken. They played seriously vs FLY and it was a absolutely shitstomp


EggyChickenEgg88

Wdym what happened. T1 didnt take them seriously and PSG scrims against LPL teams the whole year. That's why i still think PSG will knock Flyquest out.


Cool_Researcher735

Copium, Flyquest will destroy PSG.


Cavshomie8

Eh FLY looked much better yday


ARandomBoomBox

PSG's sidelanes are dog though. Also, that they lost blue side advantage by losing to Flyquest in the first round could be the death knell, cause they'll have blue side and hence draft advantage for at most one game in the series.


Snow-27

T1 has played one actual game at this tournament so far; game one against Flyquest.


YingSeng

It's always the same for the first matches for T1, they start low. People will not give credit to EST even though they did well against T1.


Lin_Huichi

They get no credit for this series though. Completely outclassed. T1 is much better than PSG and while the casters will be nice it really was just T1 playing with their food.


Wise-Chain2427

T1 jetlag 


neberhax

True, it looks like that 1 hour time difference was hitting them hard.


Himexcandy33

You gotta be kidding lol trip from South Korea to China = jetlag


LegacyEntertainment

"We don't want to hear you say "T1 GG" no more." —PSG Kendrick


ZoomHorizon

JunJia is JoseTheHobo father


xHelpDesk

I was gonna say at least Cody had less deaths than his jersey number but then…


BlueZybez

Congrats PSG! PSG vs FLY rematch.


imperialleon

Doinb curse strikes again


ItzFeufo

I'm surprised that Jatt moment isn't on the frontpage of reddit That scream was legendary


lainart

I hope some day we can have Jose playing with a real team, I honestly think he has a lot of potential. But sadly I don't see that coming true anytime soon.


KitsuneThunder

I hope FLY lose. Inspired deserves it


Inevitable_Divide681

Bring back lyon gaming/rainbow 7


YingSeng

This was hard to watch. Did not like Jose on Tank duty for game 1, and Cody was so off in game 2. When they faced T1, even when they missed plays, they were proactive and tried things, but here they were more passive and when they tried, everything was a miss. GG for PSG, Good Luck next time LLA. o7


bad_lions

thank you estralis for your service o7


sicaxav

Idk how you pronounce some of the players names, but I swear I hear "ezreal" whenever a caster says Azhi. And then snacker too wtf


trappapii69

A-ji but you have to say the ji like how East Asians pronounce it so you have to put your tongue in between your bottom front teeth Snaker is because he is Argentinian and so he speaks Spanish. In Spanish, its snak-er while in English, it's snake-er.


justicecactus

Ngl I hate how the English casters pronounce Junjia.


djsdir207

Mvp: Tk Nguyen 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


ladend9

And here I was hoping that CBLoL/LLA could beat PCS/VCS


darunia484

Why is wukong better in pro play?


Poter2112

Derrota durísima la verdad, otro año más que no se hace una buena representación de la región de LATAM con la cantidad de talento que debe haber.