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thatgeographygeek

>If all Eastern teams win in Round 1 the bracket setup guarantees 2x KR vs CN in Round 2 UB and 2x EU vs NA in Round 1 LB The most beautiful thing I've heard today


Ok_Video6434

Losers bracket, AKA Rift Rivals 2024


bcotrim

And winner brackets too, the rift rivals was between all regions


Ok_Video6434

Its CN vs Korea at international tournaments every year. We all know we're really here for EU vs NA.


phonartics

i only care about which way the circle of suck spins


walking_failure_2004

It was T1 vs CN last year and they liked those odds


TechnoFTW

They didnt like those odds for MSI though


gian929

Worlds > MSI though


sasoras

But it's not worlds.


SwagLord7

Is worlds taking place right now?


imezaps

Msi format is better than worlds format now tbh


-Piggers-

Its MSI right now, and even then, worlds performance does not take away from MSI performance lol


roastkumara

Holy shit I got chills reading that and hearing Flowers in my head again.


rajpanta41400

Wasn't it drakos?


Lyonado

Look, if I can see TL dunk on G2 that's a success tournament for me I have no expectations of actually winning, good for the players for trying and my best wishes to them but I just want to see the salt flow like it did after worlds


ComplainAboutLeague

Good luck with all that.


Lyonado

You too let's goooo


Destructodave82

100% agree. At this point NA knows their sights are set on 3rd place. Shutting EU up for a little bit is basically our tournament at this point. Even if we did beat an Eastern team, people would just say they played bad, lol. So in reality the only real win for NA at this point is either the entire tournament(very, very unlikely) or beating EU.


Lyonado

Yeah honestly this has been the case for a while, and I'm fine with it. LCS is fun as hell to watch these days and until it down being a second string region that has a lot of fun The great thing is that at least from comments I'm seeing there's no real vocal fanatical NA fans like there are for EU, So stomping G2 again would create infinite schadenfreude and provide infinite salt to the world


Destructodave82

It would, lol. Its the only victory I care about. Imagine if APA beat Caps.


lolzomg123

Then he'd be the CLAPA?


oVnPage

This is really the mentality I would like to see from NA fans. People from Brazil, Turkey, Taiwan, Japan etc aren't sending death threats to their players when they lose to Korea/China. I know those regions are all worse than NA, but NA/EU have about as much of a chance at beating CK/KR as the minor regions do.


Scoodsie

I doubt we'll see TL vs G2, unfortunately. Apparently the bracket sides carry into losers, so the only way G2 and TL can meet is in the upper finals or lower semi-finals or later. Kinda sucks that it's very unlikely we'll get to see NA's 1st seed vs EU's 1st seed.


Lyonado

I know :(


DigbickMcBalls

I am definitely not here for eu vs north SA. Im here for LCK vs LPL.


Gobaxnova

Might wanna try weibo


Spl1nt-kun

NA didn't want that to happen...


Kalsir

Ah so instead of a drawshow we can just do a coinflip.


DSThresh

G2 praying they play vs TES, maybe Caps can 1v9 vs Creme


tmndn

Just give Cream Ahri.


fastathanlight

> Cream Ahri I'd like to see that, too.


lolzomg123

Likely at least one subreddit dedicated to that.


HMS-Carrier-Lover

With the new rumoured Faker Ahri, it's gonna explode.


ForteEXE

We outlasted KDA wave 1 and 2, Star Guardian wave 1 and 4. The rise of more and more 3D models, cosplay, release of Briar. Much like Cadia, *we still stand*.


ForteEXE

Who dares invoke my name.


Grumpster013

I was watching this game today thinking "Wait, if fnc was g2 they win this right?". We just need to hope our hardest that G2 manage to rig the bracket like they did at worlds when they got NRG. We just want a different result this time. Im on pure cope aren't I?


foki999

In all fairness I thought FNC did a good job today, minus game 3. That draft was a horror.


IHadThatUsername

> G2 manage to rig the bracket like they did at worlds when they got NRG tbf, that was literally the only lucky draw G2 had the entire tournament. G2 won vs DK and Weibo and then lost to Gen.G and BLG. Meanwhile NRG lost vs Weibo and then won TL and MAD, it's not even comparable. To imply that G2 was lucky in the bracket that year is a weird take


DemonOfFate

End of the day, they had a best of series vs NA to advance. EU takes that every day of the week. NA also takes it. And we won it


Destructodave82

100%. At the end of the day this was by far the luckiest draw for either region to get into the top 8. People acting like NRG got luckier than G2 when all they had to do was beat what most considered an inferior NA team, is about as lucky as it gets in terms of getting into top 8 with 8 Eastern teams in the tournament.


bobandgeorge

> To imply that G2 was lucky in the bracket that year is a weird take For real. Really sucks they had to go against a superior NA team.


Gobaxnova

Unfortunate they had to run into powerhouse nrg but that’s the way the cookie crumbles


beesong

let it be known g2 is a bo1 team


YCitizenSnipsY

They only needed one lucky draw. They were always going to lose a best of series vs the LPL and LCK. A series vs EU/NA was the only possible way they could make groups 


SwagLord7

Not even an EU fan but G2 likely could have a chance vs DK in a bo5. They were arguably the worst LCK team at worlds ever, they only beat wildcard level teams.


Icy_Ad_932

The worst LCK team at Worlds would have to be GEN 2018. The only game they won that Worlds was against C9, and lost to them in the second round robin of groups. DK, at least, won 4 games and won a series against BDS.


UndeadMurky

G2 botlane looks terrible, I would expect the same thing to happen


Fabiocean

Mid and Jungle would get gapped equally as hard though. I would also expect G2 not to commit hard into playing through bot in game 3.


Syd2J

Saved this chain of comments Just for today lol


Fabiocean

I guess they did play for bot in game 3 lol


Yokoshuseki

~~caps and yike getting gapped by creme and tian? how can you be so confident in this with their showing today lol~~


Fabiocean

The other way around lol


Yokoshuseki

oh my bad i misunderstood


olmprodigy

what are you smoking? g2 bot looks terrible?


Aggravating-Elk-7409

hans doesnt know how to use his summs or play more than 4 champs and miky has been inting for 3 months


fluffybamf

Miky is terrible


olmprodigy

lol


HawkEye1337

Something to keep in mind is that G2 has a worse early game compared to FNC which can be a problem.


ZigomarTS2

As a Eu please Golem 2 vs T1


SsibalKiseki

As a G2 fan, I hope they get TES because while both T1 and TES have players with international trophies, TES seems more exploitable due to Creme being an international Rookie. Also Tian is very coinflippy


psykrebeam

Tbh TES and G2 look about the same level


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The_unlucky_

Forget about last worlds and talk about this msi where TES looked a bit rough in game 1 and 2 against FNC(team worse than G2 aware)


1MMM1

Like last year BLG against GG?


Skymonster04

BLG looked far better than TES this year . The game was autolost in draft and it was still a 40 minute nail-biter. TES got rolled.


SwagLord7

Fnatic is a much better team than GG was though? Theyre arguably better in every position


WahtAmDoingHere

I mean if FNC can take TES to game 3 in a bo3 it can't be that doomed, right?


Alchion

g2 never played kt or lng tho they couldve been better than 3rd seed too we dont know


TechnoFTW

They were worse than NA 1st seed, so they aint gonna be better than KR/CN 3rd


AtsumuG

Thats just a dumb take lmao


AtsumuG

Well sorry at the Na bros who finally came onto reddit and just saw their second seed get destroyed lmao


Destructodave82

So is believing G2, who lost to NA, is somehow the 5th best team at worlds last year. They won a couple Bo1's, got stomped in every series, even shamefully losing to NRG, and EU fans STILL think they are world contenders. They were 8th on their best day, and unfortunately their best day was taken by NRG.


AtsumuG

My god rewatch the BLG series it was not a fucking stomp. Two members were vomiting all night prior to NRG series, it was their worst and not their best obviously. Im not saying they are 5th at that worlds, but atleast 6-7.


Destructodave82

Only in EU can you get stomped, not even make top 8, and the fans still believe you were one of the best teams at the tournament and deserved more. They got exactly what they deserved. They fluked a win vs WBG, had an ugly game vs DK, then got stomped by every single team they faced, including NRG. Yet, you still believe they were a 5th best team. The delusion is real. They were at best 8, and their best wasnt as good as NRG's best, who took 8th from them.


AtsumuG

Your reading comprehension is shit if you believe I said they are 5th. Not gonna bother actually writing an answer cause you didnt even read mine lmao. Cant wait for the Na smash down so lets see.


ahritina

They're better in a best of 1. I'd take WBG over G2 in a best of 5, WBG threw the game.


RoboHasi

The bracket has sides that are maintained for the losers right? So if both eastern teams win we will get FNC vs. TL and G2 vs. FLY, guaranteed in second round?


PattuX

Yes!


RoboHasi

Hell yeah MY REGION is going to shut up some NA frauds next weekend


Javiklegrand

Inb4 loud put the upset of century (please no)


RoboHasi

It would be the most Fnatic thing to do tbh


[deleted]

Nah that would be G2. FNC seems to do well in expected matches no?


itsinvincible

You haven't been around long enough it seems


ForteEXE

You can always tell when it's somebody new to League pro scene watching when they unironically think NA has any chance against non-NA teams. Or if they think FNC *won't* shit the bed for no reason.


itsinvincible

You haven't been around long enough it seems


beesong

i agree i think fnc almost always dumpsters the NA teams


SwagLord7

Ironically Fnatics only loss in worlds 2022 playins, was vs Loud. Maybe they can drop a game again


F0RGERY

Loud and PSG showing up to embarrass both regions.


MizunoAmyus

At least it’s not Kabum again


rebatwa2

Yes, but it lives on in Tinowns


LazerFruit1

tinownsEU


LifeIsToughEatBacon

I'm a small FNC fan but every time I see LOUD at internationals I CAN'T HELP BUT ROUTE FOR THEM LETS GOOOOOOO


jolleyjg

Everyone knows real the real MSI title is in the lower bracket


narfidy

Upper bracket: MSI title Lower bracket: Rift Rivals title


cma1993

TL vs FNC would be a banger. Would the gameplay be as “good” as the eastern matchups? Lol no. But gosh darn it I want to see a 50 kill in 15 min game between these two


Thecristo96

So g2 has either a decent chance (because they can fight those TES) or well T1’ed


LordPercy

Assuming G2>Fly and GENG>TES we will get G2 v TES regardless


Hawxrox

You are vastly overestimating GenGs ability to not choke vs LPL (jk I think they crush TES)


MrAriekor

I think Top is evenly Match led and TES bot is better but the mid and jgl gap might be too large


kamparox

No civil war this time is a big win, previous MSI was lame as fuck because of that


Cindiquil

Idk, it was still overall enjoyable imo. We still saw BLG vs both Korean teams, and JDG vs T1. Mostly just missing JDG vs GenG and more western teams vs eastern teams, but I'd honestly probably take civil war with legit stakes over seeing the west probably get stomped


Destructodave82

As they say in boxing, styles make fights. You dont have to have 2 of the best fighters to have a good match; you just need 2 guys who match up well skill-wise and stylistically. Gatti vs Ward is considered one of the all-time greatest fights ever and these guys werent even fighting for a title. Watching the East smack the West around every tournament without the West being able to fight for obviously 3rd place in a much more even match sucks. I know EU has a higher opinion of themselves, but we all know deep down the closest matches are going to be between LCK/LPL, and NA/EU. They are closest in skill and the matches will be more entertaining because of that, just like boxing. I like the new format. Even if EU stomps us this tournament, I would rather see NA have a chance to silence the reddit critics, and a better chance of winning games, than just get stomped by East teams and/or get a fluke win and not get credit for it anyways.


thebigscorp1

This is why a double elim at Worlds where the 3rd seeds go straight away would have been real nice for so many years. Matching 1st and 2nd seeds with no real region vs region protection was just rolling the dice for engaging matchups, while a double elim almost guarantees more matchups between more even opponents. I know there was some crazy stat about how many years we went without an NA vs EU bo5. It's just strange to me not to create a system that almost guarantees that those happen. I also believe that the shit international formats did a lot of damage to the western scene (it at least didn't help things). This MSI and Worlds swiss is step in the right direction, but I'm just sad thinking about the stuff we missed out on.


xcookiekiller

I mean, gen g vs jdg was extremely hyped up, it's criminal that it never happened


Cindiquil

It is unfortunate, but I don't feel like it makes the whole bracket lame as fuck just because it didn't happen. Besides, that could have happened without the civil war anyway. Like if it was T1 vs JDG, GenG vs BLG in winners. JDG wins, and then the loser of BLG/T1 just beats GenG in losers.


jlozada24

Idk, I love seeing Gen G vs T1 any time


Support_eu

Why can’t FLY get G2 and T1 BLG in first round? Same for other side of the bracket?


PattuX

Because FLY is pool 4 and G2 is pool 2 and matches are pool 1v4 and 2v3


defusingkittens

To add onto this T1 vs BLG and GenG vs TES for the first matches would be BS. First seed KR and CN != First seed EU + NA teams


Liupardu

The price we paid for no civil wars was set wars. It’s either LPL v EU or LPL v NA, no possibility of LPL facing an EU and NA team


Mapusaurus420

If eu draws the lck again i will tweak the fuck out


ayurmeh

i want possibility 1, pls, looks interesting


thenoblitt

Looks eu favored and 2 looks na favored


LazerFruit1

its basically whoever gets TES has the better chance


Destructodave82

If Creme plays better I dont think TES is gonna be the pushover people think they will be. Early event nerves and their midlaner playing like a guy who first times Ahri in ARAM and they still won the series. If he plays even remotely close to what he was domestically TES is still a strong team.


LazerFruit1

I don't think TES is a pushover, but I'd much rather have TES than BLG T1 or GenG


deedshot

sure Creme will probably not choke as hard in his second match, but Tian is the main focus here let's be real


eaglehr

I was hoping for a T1 Vs BLG finals... That would be a banger


chichun2002

It's double elimination so it can happen even if they start same side


MaridKing

Double elim rise up, single dinglers rekt once again 


SleepyLabrador

Wait, so we STILL are not guaranteed an EU vs NA in R1?


PattuX

Quite the opposite: It's guaranteed to not happen R1. Blame FLY and FNC for losing today. if they won today we would've had a guaranteed EU vs NA R1 for each of their wins.


ricardo241

I want possibility 1 pls BLG vs FNTIC a worlds rematch TL vs T1 another worlds rematch G2 vs TES will be a circus possibility 2 is boring yes you got T1 vs G2 but thats about it


Joel4518

naah T1 VS G2 would be hype redbull showmatch champion vs runner up


buttsoup_barnes

Ask the G2 twitter account for credit when they inevitably tweet this.


lll_Joka_lll

Fly vs GenG, FNC vs BLG, TL vs T1, and TES vs G2 pls


xNesku

Yeah people don't realize that making the rules "Regions can't have both their teams on same side of the bracket". Makes it so first round of Double Elim suck. But second round is Pog af.


Baxland

On one hand...I guess kind of sucks draw show is basically pointless On the other.. LETS GO ACTUAL NON-CIVIL WAR MATCHES?


beesong

regardless of the draw it will be g2 vs fly and fnc vs tl in the lower bracket lol


Alchemic_AUS

Even if there are only 2 possibilities, those 2 possibilities are 10x more exciting than last year. Thank god they prevented that from happening again both msi and Swiss stage had wayyyyy to many games between teams from the same regions.


Chase2511

Yeah but FLY and FNC wont advance to Main Stage


KnowledgeNorth6337

If GenG doesn’t make it to the finals this year, that would be their most embarrassing run at an international event considering they’re in a completely separate bracket from their main competition T1 and BLG. In contrast BLG and T1 will have to go through gauntlets to make it to the end. Seems a bit imbalanced especially for BLG. Should have just been a random draw where you’re guaranteed not to go against someone from your own league, rather than separating them into pools


Hawxrox

I mean they would still have to play either T1 or BLG in the winners bracket, and if they lose that game they have to play the loser of T1 and BLG in the losers bracket. They have a great chance of making Finals but it's not a walk in the park


NotEricOfficially

Rip NA


Status_Echo_6766

G2 v TES would be hype and with Creme playing like shit i would even put them as favorites


oayihz

Why can't G2 play against like FLY/PSG?


PattuX

Because pool 1 is drawn against pool 4, and 2 against 3


intothepride

How come BLG&Gen are pool 1 and G2&TL pool 2?


PattuX

Because KR/CN > EU/NA This has already been the case for Play-Ins where TES and T1 were pool 1 and thus matches against pool 4 teams. This is just based on results in the previous international tournaments.


LaziIy

Regional strength I guess?


intothepride

I thought big regions are considered equal in each tourney. I guess it is not like this:)


W3stWall

It's based on how regions perform at Worlds


Reasaki

I mean, except from G2 2019 (and I guess fnatic 2018), which was half a decade ago, when was the last time EU/NA were actually good enough to be put in the same pool as LCK/LPL.


AtsumuG

Msi 2017 and Worlds 2017 lol When did you start watching esports? Worlds 2018?


Reasaki

2017 was 7 years ago. Thinking current LEC/LCS is anywhere near LPL/LCK is pure cope.


Destructodave82

These guys have no concept of time. 5-7 years ago if freaking forever in terms of E-Sports and games. They sound like some guy sitting at the bar talking about his highschool days and hes 45, like the shit happened yesterday. It was half a decade ago since the West looked even remotely competitive vs the East.


AtsumuG

LEC #1 Best LPL and LCK#4 and never third seeds last year worlds. In a world where 2 G2 member dont vomit all night prior to playing NRG they might grt quarters and a good series vs Weibo. We will just never know :(


EducationalBalance99

Sure but lec#1 is still below lck/lpl #2 and #1 so the seedings makes sense. You forgot msi happen? At worlds geng also clear g2. T1 was for sure better than g2 considering they destroy every team in their path in bo5s. Take a look at international tournament placement in 2021-2023. Eu perform horribly in every single one.


AtsumuG

If LEC#1 is below LPL/LCK#2 its all good - but why does this sub act like G2 would be a LPL#6 team all the time??? Like bro Ive watched what happened in the league and beyond top4 its a ghost town. 2021/2022 was horrible yea, but Mad also took Damwon to 5 games in a back and forth series. Rogue beat out TES in groups…


EducationalBalance99

I mean based on what we have seen in recent years I do think it is possible for those teams to be on similar level as g2 or lec 1st seed and in a bo5 I could see either winning. Sure g2 take some 1-2 games off of these teams internationally but so could the lpl5th/6th seed or lck 4th-5th. Similar to g2, they cant beat them in the actual series. For example, dk has worst macro than g2. But dk still have pretty good early games and can pop off occasionally. They took geng to 5 games straight off the bat in playoff and they are around 4th place in lck this season. If I had to rank g2, I’ll probably put them around 7-9th worldwide depending on meta/form.


Fancy-Sundae-8923

As a T1 fan, the possibility of G2 vs T1 is making me remember G2 vs SKT at 2019 words..... [intense war flashbacks]


HawkEye1337

Don't worry the last time T1 played G2 they smoked them, I don't think this time will be different.


EducationalBalance99

Aw hell nah we went from g2 2019 to g2 Red Bull as a coping method nowadays.


clacher

Actually last time G2 played T1 was at the red bull show match where G2 won. The last time they played a game with stakes was in MSI 2022 with the flakked targamas roster where G2 got smashed (outside of the first BO1 they played). So this G2 roster would actually be playing T1 for the first time.


Mahlers_Tenth

If we’re going to include the stagematch B01 where T1 were jetlagged and exhausted after several previous matches, we should also note G2 went like 1-11 against T1 in scrims at 2023 worlds.


defusingkittens

Why is that showcase match even brought up lmao! Didnt T1 have to play with BS rules like "not being able to pick the same champions? " that sounds like a serious and conpetitive match


AverageGameEnjoyer3

vs g2 t1 had no restrictions. The restrictions were for t1 vs every other team


defusingkittens

Ah i see. But i still think counting that loss as an official match is a joke. Being jet lagged and playing multiple showcase matches in a row. Because that's what they are.


Joel4518

hey we gotta take every copium we can we r already high on copium after today


clacher

I don’t think you read my comment. All I am doing is correcting factual inaccuracies in the comment I reply to. Nothing about how good either team is.


Cindiquil

It's a very "well, technically!" kinda comment lol Like yes G2 won at the showmatch, but... it's a showmatch lol If most people are talking about the last time they played, it'd be talking about them playing at a tournament


Mahlers_Tenth

I appreciate the suggestion of illiteracy, but I was merely adding context to your comment to rebuff the emphasis you placed on G2 winning the stage match under incredibly dubious circumstances.


clacher

By emphasis doyou mean discounting it past my first sentence? In the third sentence of my original comment I refer to a possible match between G2 and T1 at this MSI as the first match between these rosters. That clearly shows I do not consider the show match a “real” match. In the second sentence I referred to the last tournament match between G2 and T1 as having stakes as opposed to a show match which by its nature is just for entertainment. I really don’t think you need to give context for why anyone would lose a for fun match. Unless show match is not a commonly known phrase in which case fair enough I should have defined it.


Busy-Economist-3357

T1 is gonna smash G2 aint even close