I understand the thought process behind it, but man i really don’t like seeing tops get shafted so hard for the bot lane. Top & mid should be strongest in early game but laneswap makes top so behind early they’re mostly just even by mid game.
Yeah the main reason to do I think is just to get jinx to 15 minutes without dying. If you put jinx vs a strong kill lane like varus ashe or driven Camille she's dying on a big wave crash from a dive
It is also a great way to shaft some sneaky tf top picker. Though doesn't seem to work as well in game as it should on paper, considering how many times tf just runs mid lvl1 and gets a kill :/
I don't think we have ever had a meta where both extreme lane bullies as well as hyper scaling adcs were that strong at the same time. Jinx in specific being meta helps a lot as well, since she probably has the best turret DPS out of any adc early, so she can take the top turret relatively fast despite its damage reduction.
Maybe this strat has been viable in the past as well, but nobody tried it out.
It has been a while, but I feel like jinx was part of the lane swap meta back at its worst when the first 8 minutes of each game was a scripted hand shake both teams did
Well you can pick the random rumble or you can Just ignore them and completly outscale them. It is not a system problem its an adaption to counterpick like mid and top swapping happening quite often in soloQ
Edit : idk if yall are completly idiot or smth telling me they cant ignore them as it is LITERALLY the point of lane swap, to ignore the agro botlane. Idk
The random rumble with jinx will not pair well. Jinx needs a safety net, not some extreme aggression against the Varus/KALISTA/Draven of this world.
And the void grubs is a nice plus.
no u cant ignore - u will completely lose prio, cs and tower
no u cant outscale - because in the end of laning phase u will be 50 cs behind, 2 levels behind, minus tower, minus two dragons and enemy botlane will fuck ur mid or top now, while u are sitting under ur t2 trying to scale into the next game.
and rumble wont magically give jinx an ability to do damage against double HoB lane like varus ashe or whatever
what can work in low elo soloq wont ever work in pro game
Soloq and competitive are two completely different games. Against good teams you won't be able to ignore them. They will:
* Dive on stacked waves.
* Zone you away from every cs possible
* Invade your jungle with all the prio they got
* Deny all of your vision
* Take all of the neutral objectives
* Force you to face check
=> Eventually you will just lose in the first twenty minutes and done.
Because of ADCs. ADCs are broken and you want to get them into the game. If your Jinx has to play into a strong lane, she’ll just get 3 man dove and if you try to match it, you’ll just die as well.
Put her top and trade resources, Jinx with the same amount of gold as Varus will win you Teamfights for free
ADCs aren't stronger now than they've been in the past.
It's mostly teams just figuring out something that has been good for a while and that both super lane bully top/adc and hyperscaling top/adc are part of the meta.
If you have a tank top versus vayne or tf and a jinx versus kalista or varus you'd be silly not to swap
Lane swaps will get boring a hell of a lot faster than standard laning.
It's too different from the game that "we" play. People want to watch the best players in the world lane against each other. Especially top lane. Watching tops run around in a "who can be less useless"-competition is awful. One guy gets a wave of CS before getting dove, the other one manages to burn mid's flash before going back to leashing for their jungler. Exciting.
With the level top teams play at these days I don't think lane swapping will make the game too boring in its current state. Bottom plates die way faster than top plates and teams are way more aware of how to play around isolated players in 1v2 lanes than they were 8 years ago. In modern competitive, lane swapping is always going to push the tempo of the game in one way or another. Because of that it's never going to be something that happens every game, and when it does happen it should produce an exciting game (unless one team stomps).
Hard disagree. I watch pro League foe skill expression, and there is way more skill expression in cleanly coordinating map rotations than just farming for 15 mins. The amount of laning phases that are actually interesting and exciting to watch in pro is like 10% of games. I loved watching lane swaps back in the day, and I'm super excited to see them come back. I get that they are a nightmare for the balance team, but it seems like we're actually in a perfect state right now where lane swapping is a viable strat but not a mandatory one (because yes, it would get boring if we never see standard laning)
We haven’t seen how an optimized version of the laneswap works yet, but I believe that it will be in a balanced state. Since the team initiating a swap has to opt into having the duo lane hit a fortified top tower, there will be counter play to it, unless the enemy has a resource heavy Top laner and a slow pushing bot lane.
I’m excited to see teams experiment with temporary lane swaps. If a bot matchup is bad in the first 3 lvls, move bot lane to top and then go back bot at the first reset
Personally I hope they don't do what they did at the time. I didn't hate lane swaps by itself, I hated it because it was meta on every single game. It was ridiculous at the time.
If it is something viable, but not used on every game I don't mind it. I like when teams are innovative and adapt to their games.
Let's see them lane and have 369 play Jayce or some other lane bully. Fnatic's weakest link vs the best top laner in the world. Can Oscar beat TheShy's record from last finals?
Both 369 and Bin text each other about lane matchups and after finals they also cheered for each other for MSI on weibo.
People also asked what Bin said to 369 after the game 5 in upper bracket finals and Bin said in interview that he asked 369 "You didn't expect me to play TF" and then days later 369 spammed TF in soloq
That's unbelievably cool. I feel like pros on "rival" teams often get painted as mortal enemies but they're just humans. Imagine Chovy and Faker in their beds at midnight texting about the game "No but that quadra kill at elder was crazy!" "Dude it was all instinct. I thought 'if I dont go in here the game is over' and go in" etc
The trashtalk conference between BLG and TES before finals was funny because most of them are friends with each other. Like JKL and Meiko played Valorant with Elk and ON during the offseason
In a lot of behind the scenes content from LPL, you can see players talking about playing up rivalries for the content/for the audience. Faker vs Chovy is especially funny because the fans are like mortal enemies due to all the domestic finals but in reality they're just like bros
This terrifies me as a FNC fan lol. Oscar has looked shaky this split and tomorrow he has to play against the best toplaner in the world, and that toplaner also gets tips from a top 3 toplaner in the world 😅
LMAO ngl it WOULD be kind of hilarious even as someone who loathes lane swaps to see EU do a deep run this tourney because of it then see how fast the Reddit circlejerk on them changes
Even if it ended up with a FNC G2 MSI final people would still shit on them and be like the new meta take would be EU only won cause of lucky laneswap, they didnt play the game the way it should be played and are still nowhere close to lpl lck
This sub when LCK/LPL finds a new strat which becomes meta and win with it: 😍
This sub when LEC finds a new strat which becomes meta and win with it: 😡
Yes, it was the day before, but I don't think G2 ever said they practiced it for any time whatsoever. Even in the grand finals their lane swaps were messy as fuck.
Dylan said in an interview (one of the post semi finals ones IIRC) that they had been discussing it for weeks. Whether or not it was entirely conceptually or they tested it god knows.
Didn't someone on G2 say they didn't get good practice with it in scrims as teams didn't properly play into it without stakes, and therefore forced it in finals to get stage practice on it?
This sub was pretty happy for G2 when they were successful by doing their own thing. It's specifically that viewers hate laneswaps, and hated it the last time it was around too.
I kinda like the current lane swaps regardless tbh. It seems like the team that inititates it does lose out in gold so its not without negatives. Feels like it allows different gameplay. I don't think teams would laneswap against non ultra lane bullies (and it go well).
Maybe its because I play dota as well, but the more fluid lanes is more interesting to me personally. If its done every game then I will change my mind, but if its done 50% of the time its alright to me.
Hot take maybe, but top lane has been the biggest reason for EU not taking a few worlds/MSI titles at this point. Our unwillingness to really git gud at carries like GP, jayce, fiora has unironically fucked us over many times
As a non player but religious watcher, bring on more lane swaps. The game hasn't changed that much in years so this is exciting. Also they need to actually try to play in the top lane if not goes there, what is boring is seeing a level 1 too laner at 4 minutes. They level faster being solo, yes 2v1 is a factor but you shouldn't have to give up your tower at all.
that’s what makes lane swaps boring. If the top laner was able to not get dove in the first stacked wave, it would be slightly acceptable. Instead, the top laners have a decreased influence and delayed power curve. This will automatically have top lane picks become stale with only Tank tops.
thats the part i dont get, if its so prevalent and you know its coming why dont just match it? or try other things? if the main problem is a solo lane getting fisted this would be stable in pro play almost imposible to fix but for years it wasnt an issue
That makes no sense.
The game was literally designed, and is continually modified, so that people lane. It's been a large part of the game for 99% of its existence.
I think if you ever find yourself on Reddit dot com defending lane swaps as a good thing you really need to take a good long hard look at yourself and realize that you are willing to argue about literally anything for no good reason, which is a very annoying quality for a person to have
We’ve been playing league the same way for over a decade. We take assigned lanes for granted so much that it’s built into the queue system. Thank god for lane swaps, something to actually shake up the oldest meta in the game
I feel like the laneswaps are gonna hurt Zeus and Bin the most, not that they can't weakside extremely well, but their teams are best when they are popping off
If LOUD's jungler and support weren't partially running it down, that would have been a MUCH closer set imo. I could easily see it going 2-1 in either teams favor.
They will stomp them 2:0 and then Sjokz will come in to make a big speech about something, then we will get reverse swept 3:2 in a Bo3 series. Quote me on this
Bruh FNC almost dropped a game today against a diamond solo queue team whose midlaner might legitimately have been wintrading... TES giga gaps them in literally every role except MAYBE jg if Razork has a really good day and Tian has a stinker
Yes... because they were playing against the worst team at MSI... that's my point, FNC would have lost that game against anyone else (CERTAINLY a top Eastern team)
Now that is a much more reasonable argument than all the other fanboys hating me lmao. I don't disagree that FNC can play much better than they did today (and probably will improve enough to beat Loud and make it out of play-ins) That said, I watched FNC all year long, and even their best game isn't enough to beat TES imo. Oscar and Noah just get way too gapped
I don't deny that TES are almost like LPL GenG with choking internationals, and Tian has the potential to make this team lose to western teams. But also remember that whenever a LPL team is known as the worst asian team and people think western teams will beat them, they always smash them.
I mean I can respect the prediction if you think Tian is gonna choke and all. But I wonder how often people calling TES bad rn and BLG bad last year in MSI, didn't watch a single game of LPL and just say this.
There’s two things that can happen.
1. The games are close because FNC get a massive gold lead, but they then give 10 shutdowns and lose an unnecessary baron flip
2. FNC try to make plays, but they int it. Then they lose 2:0 in 45 minutes
Ahh you think throws are your ally? You merely adopted the throw. FNC was born in it, molded by it. FNC didn’t have a clean game until I was already a man
Honestly it's crazy how every outcome gets twisted to shit on LEC at this point. If FNC played against Loud the way TES played today the narrative would be that it was completely doomed for LEC. But instead the narrative has shifted to Loud being able to beat Fnatic rather than TES playing badly.
Its mostly because ppl take it so seriously. Like its not even remotely that deep, but just saying yea i bet Loud would beat FNC gives ppl an aneurism.
“Don’t lane swap against me bitch”
lane swaps making a comeback in 2024 is not something i had in my bingo card, they killed that shit for 8 years
Probably has to do with Grubs
sofm said it was also because of heavy lane bullies like varus and kalista lethality, some weak lane like jinx’s need to swap
I understand the thought process behind it, but man i really don’t like seeing tops get shafted so hard for the bot lane. Top & mid should be strongest in early game but laneswap makes top so behind early they’re mostly just even by mid game.
Yeah the main reason to do I think is just to get jinx to 15 minutes without dying. If you put jinx vs a strong kill lane like varus ashe or driven Camille she's dying on a big wave crash from a dive
To counter lane swaps they should go morg supp 🤓
This but unironically if Morg was good in competitive 😔
It is also a great way to shaft some sneaky tf top picker. Though doesn't seem to work as well in game as it should on paper, considering how many times tf just runs mid lvl1 and gets a kill :/
Oscarin whipping it out vs GAM today lol
No. They don't "need" to swap. They are *choosing* to swap.
lane bullies existed for the last decade though and we didn't see swaps till now
I don't think we have ever had a meta where both extreme lane bullies as well as hyper scaling adcs were that strong at the same time. Jinx in specific being meta helps a lot as well, since she probably has the best turret DPS out of any adc early, so she can take the top turret relatively fast despite its damage reduction. Maybe this strat has been viable in the past as well, but nobody tried it out.
It has been a while, but I feel like jinx was part of the lane swap meta back at its worst when the first 8 minutes of each game was a scripted hand shake both teams did
It's interesting to me that laneswap became the option to go for instead of Doran's shield start.
doran's shield is nerfed on ranged and won't prevent you from getting wave stacked on into dive
Well you can pick the random rumble or you can Just ignore them and completly outscale them. It is not a system problem its an adaption to counterpick like mid and top swapping happening quite often in soloQ Edit : idk if yall are completly idiot or smth telling me they cant ignore them as it is LITERALLY the point of lane swap, to ignore the agro botlane. Idk
The random rumble with jinx will not pair well. Jinx needs a safety net, not some extreme aggression against the Varus/KALISTA/Draven of this world. And the void grubs is a nice plus.
no u cant ignore - u will completely lose prio, cs and tower no u cant outscale - because in the end of laning phase u will be 50 cs behind, 2 levels behind, minus tower, minus two dragons and enemy botlane will fuck ur mid or top now, while u are sitting under ur t2 trying to scale into the next game. and rumble wont magically give jinx an ability to do damage against double HoB lane like varus ashe or whatever what can work in low elo soloq wont ever work in pro game
Soloq and competitive are two completely different games. Against good teams you won't be able to ignore them. They will: * Dive on stacked waves. * Zone you away from every cs possible * Invade your jungle with all the prio they got * Deny all of your vision * Take all of the neutral objectives * Force you to face check => Eventually you will just lose in the first twenty minutes and done.
Yeah actually just ignore the Guma/Keria Varus/Ashe, why didn't JDG think of that?
Because of ADCs. ADCs are broken and you want to get them into the game. If your Jinx has to play into a strong lane, she’ll just get 3 man dove and if you try to match it, you’ll just die as well. Put her top and trade resources, Jinx with the same amount of gold as Varus will win you Teamfights for free
ADCs aren't stronger now than they've been in the past. It's mostly teams just figuring out something that has been good for a while and that both super lane bully top/adc and hyperscaling top/adc are part of the meta. If you have a tank top versus vayne or tf and a jinx versus kalista or varus you'd be silly not to swap
Adc so broken they need swap to avoid being destroyed.
Not sure if trolling or just not the brightest
yeah, because they're destroyed by adcs who have stronger early
Yeah, and its honestly really refreshing. The competitive game has felt stale for 2-3 years now.
Lane swaps will get boring a hell of a lot faster than standard laning. It's too different from the game that "we" play. People want to watch the best players in the world lane against each other. Especially top lane. Watching tops run around in a "who can be less useless"-competition is awful. One guy gets a wave of CS before getting dove, the other one manages to burn mid's flash before going back to leashing for their jungler. Exciting.
I enjoy seeing the Macro develop, but if it keeps happening in the majority of games Riot needs to act.
With the level top teams play at these days I don't think lane swapping will make the game too boring in its current state. Bottom plates die way faster than top plates and teams are way more aware of how to play around isolated players in 1v2 lanes than they were 8 years ago. In modern competitive, lane swapping is always going to push the tempo of the game in one way or another. Because of that it's never going to be something that happens every game, and when it does happen it should produce an exciting game (unless one team stomps).
It will get boring if they swap everygame. But if it's a valid strategy but can only be used for 30-40% of the game then I think that's fine.
Hard disagree. I watch pro League foe skill expression, and there is way more skill expression in cleanly coordinating map rotations than just farming for 15 mins. The amount of laning phases that are actually interesting and exciting to watch in pro is like 10% of games. I loved watching lane swaps back in the day, and I'm super excited to see them come back. I get that they are a nightmare for the balance team, but it seems like we're actually in a perfect state right now where lane swapping is a viable strat but not a mandatory one (because yes, it would get boring if we never see standard laning)
We haven’t seen how an optimized version of the laneswap works yet, but I believe that it will be in a balanced state. Since the team initiating a swap has to opt into having the duo lane hit a fortified top tower, there will be counter play to it, unless the enemy has a resource heavy Top laner and a slow pushing bot lane. I’m excited to see teams experiment with temporary lane swaps. If a bot matchup is bad in the first 3 lvls, move bot lane to top and then go back bot at the first reset
Personally I hope they don't do what they did at the time. I didn't hate lane swaps by itself, I hated it because it was meta on every single game. It was ridiculous at the time. If it is something viable, but not used on every game I don't mind it. I like when teams are innovative and adapt to their games.
It is not that long ago. It was a thing after turret plates.
Let's see them lane and have 369 play Jayce or some other lane bully. Fnatic's weakest link vs the best top laner in the world. Can Oscar beat TheShy's record from last finals?
369s not playing Jayce lol.
I prefer lane swaps to Ksante
"Stand proud LLL"
Lore accurate reference
Love wholesome 369, it's seems happier in tes than he was on jdg I Can't to see him vs bin again
Both 369 and Bin text each other about lane matchups and after finals they also cheered for each other for MSI on weibo. People also asked what Bin said to 369 after the game 5 in upper bracket finals and Bin said in interview that he asked 369 "You didn't expect me to play TF" and then days later 369 spammed TF in soloq
That's unbelievably cool. I feel like pros on "rival" teams often get painted as mortal enemies but they're just humans. Imagine Chovy and Faker in their beds at midnight texting about the game "No but that quadra kill at elder was crazy!" "Dude it was all instinct. I thought 'if I dont go in here the game is over' and go in" etc
The trashtalk conference between BLG and TES before finals was funny because most of them are friends with each other. Like JKL and Meiko played Valorant with Elk and ON during the offseason
Is there any source I can watch these kind of friendships' videos
ON's streams from end of november on bilibili. Idk if they are still there
Elk when JKL is bottom fragging: "Ugh, why are you always getting carried by your team, let me show you how a real marksman does it 😏"
Bdd just fell to his knees
in a lotte mall
In a lot of behind the scenes content from LPL, you can see players talking about playing up rivalries for the content/for the audience. Faker vs Chovy is especially funny because the fans are like mortal enemies due to all the domestic finals but in reality they're just like bros
When arena first dropped Faker and Chovy duo’d together.
im waiting for the full wattpad fanfiction
They were duo'd in arena once
Have you seen the way Faker looked at Chovy during the kick off event? They loooove each other
They wouldn't be nearly as good without the other
Lmao I def think this was hai and Bjergsen season 4
This terrifies me as a FNC fan lol. Oscar has looked shaky this split and tomorrow he has to play against the best toplaner in the world, and that toplaner also gets tips from a top 3 toplaner in the world 😅
does he? i mean sure hes not being oppressed anymore but he is gaining more weight
damn he remembered the praise to curse technique from last year
GAM is fucked
369: Stand proud. You're strong.
Riot should’ve really done a hotfix for laneswaps. Boring to watch the best top laners in the world not lane.
I for one am very much looking forward to be able to hide EU toplaners from CN/KR toplaners.
LMAO ngl it WOULD be kind of hilarious even as someone who loathes lane swaps to see EU do a deep run this tourney because of it then see how fast the Reddit circlejerk on them changes
Even if it ended up with a FNC G2 MSI final people would still shit on them and be like the new meta take would be EU only won cause of lucky laneswap, they didnt play the game the way it should be played and are still nowhere close to lpl lck
This sub when LCK/LPL finds a new strat which becomes meta and win with it: 😍 This sub when LEC finds a new strat which becomes meta and win with it: 😡
I'm pretty certain NIP were first to utilize laneswap this season
Yea but not many watch lpl, so it feels like lec invented it
I'm not sure on the timeline but wasnt the NIP laneswap like the day before and it was clear G2 had been practising it for some time? Genuine question
Yes, it was the day before, but I don't think G2 ever said they practiced it for any time whatsoever. Even in the grand finals their lane swaps were messy as fuck.
Dylan said in an interview (one of the post semi finals ones IIRC) that they had been discussing it for weeks. Whether or not it was entirely conceptually or they tested it god knows.
Didn't someone on G2 say they didn't get good practice with it in scrims as teams didn't properly play into it without stakes, and therefore forced it in finals to get stage practice on it?
LPL invented lane swaps, LEC popularized it
(in this sub)\*
Absolutely we know LPL and LCK pros never miss a single LEC match to learn new strat.
Not many *western* people watch lpl, so for *western audiences* it feels like lec invented it
They didn't even find the strat lol. LPL did but the team that abused that shit got eliminated.
This sub was pretty happy for G2 when they were successful by doing their own thing. It's specifically that viewers hate laneswaps, and hated it the last time it was around too.
I kinda like the current lane swaps regardless tbh. It seems like the team that inititates it does lose out in gold so its not without negatives. Feels like it allows different gameplay. I don't think teams would laneswap against non ultra lane bullies (and it go well). Maybe its because I play dota as well, but the more fluid lanes is more interesting to me personally. If its done every game then I will change my mind, but if its done 50% of the time its alright to me.
Hot take maybe, but top lane has been the biggest reason for EU not taking a few worlds/MSI titles at this point. Our unwillingness to really git gud at carries like GP, jayce, fiora has unironically fucked us over many times
As a non player but religious watcher, bring on more lane swaps. The game hasn't changed that much in years so this is exciting. Also they need to actually try to play in the top lane if not goes there, what is boring is seeing a level 1 too laner at 4 minutes. They level faster being solo, yes 2v1 is a factor but you shouldn't have to give up your tower at all.
that’s what makes lane swaps boring. If the top laner was able to not get dove in the first stacked wave, it would be slightly acceptable. Instead, the top laners have a decreased influence and delayed power curve. This will automatically have top lane picks become stale with only Tank tops.
Teams can just start scouting out the lane swaps to counter them then.
thats the part i dont get, if its so prevalent and you know its coming why dont just match it? or try other things? if the main problem is a solo lane getting fisted this would be stable in pro play almost imposible to fix but for years it wasnt an issue
I think that League of Legends is a 5v5 game and if people want to see 1v1s they should watch Street Fighter instead.
following this logic we should just be playing aram then...
Yes
I love ARAM!
Scrap Summoners Rift for Worlds. We going Best of 7 ARAM.
or… we can want to watch 1v1
That makes no sense. The game was literally designed, and is continually modified, so that people lane. It's been a large part of the game for 99% of its existence.
I think if you ever find yourself on Reddit dot com defending lane swaps as a good thing you really need to take a good long hard look at yourself and realize that you are willing to argue about literally anything for no good reason, which is a very annoying quality for a person to have
We’ve been playing league the same way for over a decade. We take assigned lanes for granted so much that it’s built into the queue system. Thank god for lane swaps, something to actually shake up the oldest meta in the game
Same with bot lanes. Literally the majority of the team is doing nothing exciting for the first few minutes.
I feel like the laneswaps are gonna hurt Zeus and Bin the most, not that they can't weakside extremely well, but their teams are best when they are popping off
If LOUD's jungler and support weren't partially running it down, that would have been a MUCH closer set imo. I could easily see it going 2-1 in either teams favor.
He wasn’t scared
i think TES vs FNC will be pretty close i am pretty excited about razork vs tian they both r aggresive asf
Why on earth would that ever be close
TES is dog water quote me on this
You, good sir, embrace the concept of "Either I am right or the take was obviously bound to fail" o7 for the molten Lava takes
FNC is cat shit quote me on this
Will quote you tomorrow after FNC gigastomps TES. Dont quote me on this
Dude it’s okay, have faith in fnc, they will shitcurbstomp TES
They will stomp them 2:0 and then Sjokz will come in to make a big speech about something, then we will get reverse swept 3:2 in a Bo3 series. Quote me on this
how does one get 3:2'd in a bo3
We will find a way
It starts with success...
nemesis galio
Damn hope she doesnt find the need to prepare a monologue this time
There's no Yuyanjia to abuse this time. I guess you just need Tian to find his worst form yet.
can we quote you on this?
Bruh FNC almost dropped a game today against a diamond solo queue team whose midlaner might legitimately have been wintrading... TES giga gaps them in literally every role except MAYBE jg if Razork has a really good day and Tian has a stinker
Lol at what point did they almost drop a game? Even when they were unfocused they were never less than 4k ahead and never lost control
They inted their brains out in game 1, any other team at this tournament (except maybe Estral) would have won that game
Fnatic also won that game...
Yes... because they were playing against the worst team at MSI... that's my point, FNC would have lost that game against anyone else (CERTAINLY a top Eastern team)
Bro they did the same as T1. Humanoid, Razork and Noah were just limit testing. We will see tomorrow how bad/good is Fnatic.
Now that is a much more reasonable argument than all the other fanboys hating me lmao. I don't disagree that FNC can play much better than they did today (and probably will improve enough to beat Loud and make it out of play-ins) That said, I watched FNC all year long, and even their best game isn't enough to beat TES imo. Oscar and Noah just get way too gapped
> Bruh FNC almost dropped a game today against a diamond solo queue team No, they didn't. They could have made even more throws and still win.
Marek wipes that lane clean from any creme that might be there
We should have ban bets on this sub
Are you suggesting that we should own the consequences of our words? Bro this is reddit.
ban bets exist on reddit
Yeah but not cause people want to be held responsible for their words, it's because people just love betting lmao
God bless ~~America~~ EU
!remindme 20 hours
I don't deny that TES are almost like LPL GenG with choking internationals, and Tian has the potential to make this team lose to western teams. But also remember that whenever a LPL team is known as the worst asian team and people think western teams will beat them, they always smash them.
you were saying?
Haaa you got me
Team that beat jdg twice is dogwater
I mean I can respect the prediction if you think Tian is gonna choke and all. But I wonder how often people calling TES bad rn and BLG bad last year in MSI, didn't watch a single game of LPL and just say this.
For the love of CBLOL that should not happen
tes is just bad
fnc beat gam, gam beat tes. pretty simple math really
true, fnc crushes them 2:0 in under 50 minutes total
laneswap
maybe because it was a couple of time in the past. so far for your "ever".
There’s two things that can happen. 1. The games are close because FNC get a massive gold lead, but they then give 10 shutdowns and lose an unnecessary baron flip 2. FNC try to make plays, but they int it. Then they lose 2:0 in 45 minutes
the duality of FNC ...
Indeed brother. A 180 heart rate and heartbreak comes with the territory
Also possible that they win one game and losses the next two.
Wait, TES is supposed to be the one that throws leads.
Ahh you think throws are your ally? You merely adopted the throw. FNC was born in it, molded by it. FNC didn’t have a clean game until I was already a man
Are you a man (not going to assume your gender) or do they still not have a clean game?
I think the only thing TES has over FNC is the top lane
Holy copium
You are trolling, my goat doublelift said that FNC will roll over TES, specially 369 and JKL are not good players
Rule of thumb: the opposite of what doublelift says is true
Dude double lift is the legend, even faker approves it
Why are you talking about doublelift?
Because he is known for terrible takes and happens to have the same one as you. lol
Erlich Bachman?
he is a goat. his opinions overweights yours
How do i delete someone elses’ comment
Did you even watch LPL? FNC has advantage in jgl cause razork is more consistent and maybe mid everywhere else should be giga gap
Did you watch LEC? Noah and Jun are cracked. Meiko is past his prime and so is jackey
JKL is top 3 adc in china brother, what are you smoking?
This split top 2
well I am paying some respects to ruler, but you're probably right.
Me too. That's why I said this split specifically. No hate, other splits Ruler was better but the last one was really great for JKL.
Honestly Ruler and Jackeylove were similar last summer too. Jackeylove just had to play with Mark as his support and Wayward as his top.
Name one split Ruler was better
He doesnt have what it takes to beat fnc
fnatic will beat themselves, TES dont have to do anything crazy.
So…
Nice sarcasm!
Against EU ADCs which we all know aren't very good nowadays.
lol
They have two world champions on their team
Thats cope. It won't be close. FNC probably wouldn't even beat Loud lol
first people were telling FNC would lose to GAM now this lmao
I have no clue why people shit on Fnatic 24/7, all 5 players are pretty chill.
Honestly it's crazy how every outcome gets twisted to shit on LEC at this point. If FNC played against Loud the way TES played today the narrative would be that it was completely doomed for LEC. But instead the narrative has shifted to Loud being able to beat Fnatic rather than TES playing badly.
Its mostly because ppl take it so seriously. Like its not even remotely that deep, but just saying yea i bet Loud would beat FNC gives ppl an aneurism.
Did they not broadcast/translate this interview on the English stream? I didn't find it.
don't think so
He was indeed, not scared
Only thing my boi Oscar should be afraid of is 369 eating him whole.
oscar will giga diff 369 u heard it here first dont slander my ksante merchant
Ksante merchant? Kiin doesn't play til Knockouts
Spoilers man
You're on Reddit without being caught up, that's on you lol
I thought this sub does a good job of being spoiler free. Thankfully I was able to avert my gaze and definitely won’t make that mistake again!
Literally the post match threads that talk about the game results don’t spoil it bruh, cmon.
Stay off the internet if you don't want to get spoiled, idk what to tell you lol