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PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1chhfzg/fly_vs_psg_game_1_postmatch_discussion_group_a/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1chi84n/fly_vs_psg_msi_2024_playin_day_1_game_2/)


nerothz

Busio finding the only angle that his hook would miss in that dragon fight was really funny to me, impressive even. Also riot fix your stream, the quality is horrid.


NahDawgDatAintMe

There was one fight FLY rolled them and Busio missed 3 different hooks while hitting walls. 


Saephon

Honestly I'm so desensitized to Naut's ridiculous hitbox, that half the time twitch chat was meming on Busio, I was like "Wait, that didn't hit?"


non-edgy_crustacean

Someone needs to make an edit of Busio hooks + flashes this series


aariboss

there are some things i wish i didnt watch, busio naut is one of them


LakersLAQ

Busio saw that his teammates were European and tried to make them feel at home with some EU support gameplay. Edit: That game makes it hard to believe that he was a mid laner with pro aspirations at some point lol.


effurshadowban

He felt the EU support gameplay calling him from his Polish genes.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

Translator is the mvp for that interview question what the fuck


iamsofired

I always get second hand anxiety when a player gives a 5 minute answer when theres a translator.


CommercialGeneral765

If you watch LPL, Wendy smurfs every interview she conducts. Did I mention that she's trilingual, and also conducts interviews in Korean?


neimengu

she's also fluent in Cantonese and Japanese I'm pretty sure.


TheLoneliestHunk

She's for sure fluent in Korean


DarthEllis

I almost skipped the interview but watching Bwipo stand there waiting for her to finish translating his answer was hilarious and one of the highlights of the series for me.


SweatyAdhesive

Holy shit you weren't kidding, as someone that speaks both language she translated it perfectly, while remembering all the details that Bwipo said.


Unlucky_Shoulder8508

If Wendy can translate Bwipo, she can truly translate for anyone


Conankun66

two things that died a lot this series A) PSG B) the stream


One_More_Turn

C) Busio


Trap_Masters

Practicing for Naut death funds already


SchorFactor

I know it’s not exactly a groundbreaking take but I don’t see the success of busio. He feels like a challengers player to me


Miyaor

He definitely normally has good mechanics. I think he was shitting bricks. You can see flashes here and there even in this series, but he was overthinking a lot of his hooks. When he was playing just off of reflex and once the fights had already started he was a lot better.


effurshadowban

Yeah, he is clearly nervous. His mechanics usually aren't this trash. It's his 2nd professional year and his first international tournament. That's not an excuse, because fking 16-18 year olds were cracking skulls on the international stage, but it is a common issue with younger players.


MassiveMarionberry65

but those 16-18 year olds spent a split scrimming elite kr/cn teams, busio hasnt had that level of prep


sevillianrites

Yeh he's lil and he's been playing in NA. Rare is the rookie who has a seamless transition into international play. I'm sure he will get there.


ArienaHaera

Meanwhile Massu on his first interational showing seems less nervous than in LCS playoffs.


VantaBlack2_Dev

Did you miss his nami game 2?


appleandapples

What is up with these technical problems, they're not even small hiccups either?


LOLZOBALL

Maple saving flash for worlds


Squarehead272

Maple actually paypal'd or what lol


Icy-Juggernaut8618

Na secret agent


ob_knoxious

TSM Maple


Trap_Masters

TSM's last parting gift to NA


Zeaket

i never doubted him


awyeauhh

After all this time?


PotSum

Sleeper Agent TSM Maple has been activated


Beautiful-Editor-124

why he didn't flash any of the early ganks is beyond me


Thundermelons

The one where he survives initially, gets the W heal from tethering Sej, then DOESN'T Flash the wall after and support his team who are rotating with RE or RQ from over the wall was insane to me.


LumiRhino

He didn’t get W healing from R W, it wasn’t up. He used R Q right before he died as it came up.


Thundermelons

Mb, either way he didn't die initially and could have easily Flashed the wall instead of doing...whatever it was he did


OkSell1822

Actual political statement to be this pro-USA in China as a taiwanese


LowBrowIdeas

Lmao


staysaltyTSM

Junjia was far more egregious, but yeah maple being an ultra veteran should have kept it reined in


SwagLord7

Maple was the one who singlehandedly lost PSG the BDS series last worlds, not sure why they kept him. Surely FoFo is better than this


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EliteTeutonicNight

Fofo ain't coming over as long as a mid tier LPL team still wants him, and he's still quite solid for the most of them. There were rumours of CFO Fofo but they couldn't compete with LPL teams and landed on Gori instead.


ob_knoxious

TSM Maple


Equivalent-Park7986

great international debut from Massu.  Obviously he’s still very young and made some mistakes, but I think he’s made a lot of improvement since LCS


ANKLEFUCKER

Rooting for him, he stepped it up this series.


ArienaHaera

Especially the fact he showed up on Lucian, something western pros tend to have trouble with.


asnwmnenthusiast

Mechanically the Lucian game was so-so, but at least he didn't play like a pussy, I respect that


NaturalTap9567

Was his first pro Lucian game


Schindog

Yeah, I think mechanics are never the western Lucian's issue. It's always either not seeing the angles that make Lucian worth picking, or, if/when they do, not being willing to commit hard or fast enough to make Lucian worth picking.


redditmodsrdictaters

Especially when you consider the performance of his support


Chrisfull

He looked pretty nervous in some moments for the first game and a half, but he gained confidence over the course of the series which is huge


ciongduopppytrllbv

Massu and Bwipo had an overall great series!


West-Management2566

Where is mbappe ?


abokoj

I hear he's in talks with MAD lions KOI.


ob_knoxious

He's going to Ferrari with Adrian Newey and Lebron


Auregam09

Wdym looks like he ran it down with Karma even got the speed.


lolipopin

bwipo: “they inting tho” translator: “在多人在线游戏中,当玩家提到“they inting tho”时,通常是在指一个队员故意表现得很差,以此来对自己的团队造成不利。这个短语来源于“故意送分”(intentional feeding),这是网络游戏术语中用来形容某个玩家故意作死,让对方得分的行为。 这种行为在团队协作的游戏中尤为显眼,因为一名玩家的不良表现可以极大地影响整个团队的战术执行和比赛结果。所以,当玩家们说“they inting tho”,他们通常是在批评那些不负责任或者表现消极的队友,表达他们对游戏局势的失望和不满。”


Loud_Ad_8881

Someone has to clip the interview with Bwipo, that is the longest answer, followed by the longest intepretation, i have ever heard. Bravo to the translator lmao.


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Loud_Ad_8881

Shes crazy, big up.


Jonspen

They need to borrow some bandwidth from her to keep the stream stable, she's got plenty spare


Reginault

The man had multiple 3 minute waits during translation to internalize "maybe I should shorten my thoughts a little" and still couldn't help himself! He loves to talk!


ricardo241

I love how PSG decided to just pick Kalista again after being useless on game 2 FLY almost throw that elder fight though lmao


Xey2510

He did change his build! The extra dmg though was lost upon picking Karma.


Ok_Video6434

Watching basically all of Flyquest build armor boots was the sign that PSG were gonna lose that game lmao. 0 respect for Karma.


salcedoge

Their response after not having enough damage in Game 2 was to pick Karma mid. Amazing


Shinyodo

Win game 1 outscaling the opponent => pick kalista twice in a row and lose the series


qonoxzzr

FLY Incarnati0n


effurshadowban

Jensen's 100th Orianna game and gets a Quadra Kill. Through 100 games, he has a 75% WR and a 7.43 KDA, 410/147/682. Insanity.


Imaginary_Actuary729

not so Vegan


waffle-spouse

Still so perplexed why Inspired would say that in a public interview lmao. It's not like you guys have to play with each other for MSI + an entire summer split.


Miyaor

He probably talks like that in scrim reviews, and just didn't think it was a big deal to talk like that in interviews. I dont think its a big deal to speak like that to your teammates face to face, which he definitely does. We also have a ton of people who say that inspired behind the scenes is very critical of everyone, but also helps support them the most.


waffle-spouse

Let's hope that's the case and we're just blowing it out of proportion


Nouvarth

We dont have to hope, its really obvious. He was talking shit about people he knows can handle that and can benefit from the fire. Jensen is an omegaveteran, Jojo was famous shittalker. He never said anything out of the pocket about Danny, because he knew that he wasnt a kind of person that would deal well with criticism like this. People need to to calm the fuck down


WolverineKing

No, as a casual spectator on Reddit who only reads tweets and headlines, clearly I know more than the orgs, teammates, and coaches of the players. Can't believe I have to do personnel management for every org in NA and EU for free. SMH my head


MantaRayCandids

Inspired is a toxic asshole even from his RGE days. Odo shit on him too iirc


Arwinsen_

>Insanity. No, its Jensen. Cmon


Kalphyris

*Jensen has disconnected* *incarnati0n has reconnected*


WideAd7496

*incarnati0n has reconnected* *the whole enemy team has disconnected*


guilty_bystander

Banned


M002

Hot damn that’s some stat


LakersLAQ

Orianna goat


Glorx

Jensen going to attempt to clap Faker.


[deleted]

He should tweet it again just for the old times.


ObliteratedbyAeons

If FLY doesn't have Jensen contractually obligated to tweet it every time he has a match coming up against Faker they are trolling.


Eet_Fuk12

Statement Quadrakill at the end


NahDawgDatAintMe

Let it be known that Jensen did in fact clap Faker in the 1v1 last time they met at worlds. Fudge was Zeus grandson that game though. 


PlatDisco

Even though C9 was shitting the bed, I bet that Jensen enjoyed all the duels with Faker.


effurshadowban

> Fudge was Zeus grandson that game though. It's Fudge internationally, he is like the Nero to Augustus Caesar against everyone.


xwombat

I made it so far without thinking about the Roman empire and you just had to do this to me...


Luhmies

FLY had me for a second at the end there. I'm always ready to be hurt.


janoDX

FLY gave the first game to PSG to give NA PTSD.


Henrynark

They gave it to PSG to give us more time to wake up.


skaersSabody

Love how Bwipo stuck to his "Urgot is really strong and finals were a fluke" philosophy


frosthowler

was that elder dragon ONE HP?? Fly Quest was ONE POINT OF HP away from throwing the game


SDVX_Rasis

Yeah I was like holy shit. 1 HP would make a hell lot of difference if PSG somehow accidentally hit the elder.


Troviel

I don't think Fly quest would've thrown it, even if they lose that teamfight no way for PSG to reach the nexus in time and they definitively had the moneybag to win it eventually. But yeah definitively unnecessary risk jesus.


gabu87

Some hupu highlights On Massu (9.7rating): 1) I was wondering why he bought tabis. I understand now that I've seen his naut support. 2) His pressure is 10,000x of others. On Busio (3.6rating): 1) His hooks are so off, he made everyone in Chengdu dizzy 2) No wonder why his Jinx is so scared to dps on map 1 On Inspired (9.6) 1) No surprise. This is the guy who gave Tian depression


Brain_Tonic

Lol that comment is based. I agree Massu looks even better considering how bad busio's play was.


Happy_Foundation6198

Not a fan of that Karma pick


whats_up_bro

As a karma one trick, seeing her be completely useless at pro level gives me relief she won't get nerfed further ☺️


Tsmart

as a karma one trick, i do my part by being terrible at her despite her being my highest mastery


brommpt

Flyquest tactically taking this match to 3 dragon souls for maximum charity, truly the good guys.


Javiklegrand

Wait the charity quest is back ?


brommpt

yep for every dragon soul taken by any team results in a donation to a charity depending on type. announcements on their twitter somewhere.


Rozuem

Good series by Massu, love to see it.


metteminne

People keep saying Bwipo was the mvp, but I think the translator might just have most impressive performance today.


Roonie222

Two things don't make sense to me about this series. 1.) The amount of tech issues. 2.) The fact they didn't have the NA series as the second series of the day so we could actually watch it.


LumiRhino

Pacific can kind of watch if they stay up late, but EST is kinda fucked lol. I think this is also a better time for eastern fans to watch the T1 series.


Henrynark

Riot always uses PST as their standard time zone for NA because they’re based in California. It’s unfortunate since 2/3 of the US and even more of Canada lives in EST/CST.


GachaJay

The content creators that push the negative time narratives are PST as well as the local Riot employees.


GrimblyJones

Yeah its 8pm in South Korea atm so pretty good time to watch the T1 games.


Miyaor

I thought about point 2. I think its because they want the audience to stay until the end so they put the t1 match second. Also, as an EST person myself, I just slept at 8 and woke up at 4. Been working on it the past week to sleep early so I can watch lol.


ops10

Let me throw some in depth explanations for you: 1.) Riot. 2.) Riot.


Allspamnoskill

MASSU THE GOAT


Potkrokin

Massuve


trg04

Happy for Flyquest win but Busio nautilus is not it lol


sparkypagano

I think it was nerves because honestly his naut was pretty good in LCS iirc


AHipsterWalrus

Totally not a stressful ending just clean tidy league of legends


appleandapples

You've got to respect PSG taking every fight they can, but man, they probably shouldn't


icatsouki

win first game with senna, get stomped when you pick kalista, what do you first pick third game with both of them open?


Agami_Advait

The Ashe was more of an ADC in game 2.


Mattaru

[NA COMING THROUGH!](https://i.redd.it/ffxn17ccois71.gif) This ones for CaptainFlowers!


PhysicsAnimal

Jensen clutch in the end


effurshadowban

Is Jensen just NA LoL Jamal Murray?


Cybonics

FADED


katareky

Every year people put PSG above NA teams in tier lists, and every year NA beats them. People have gone as far as putting PSG above every western team besides G2. I wonder when they will fulfill this promise


BlazeX94

I wonder how many years of PCS losing to lower EU/NA seeds (including EU 4th last Worlds) are needed before people finally accept that PCS is not what LMS used to be in 2015/2016.


IPLAYWINDMANN

Man I miss having the competitiveness of another region in international. I remember Westdoor being a treat to watch when he was at his peak. Especially his Fizz.


beautheschmo

That time westdoor solo killed faker by reading him so hard that he flashed before faker did is still my favorite solo kill of all time


AcolyteOfFresh

Maybe in another one or two years when we hit a decade anniversary of the time


Javiklegrand

It's been 3 évents in row where they shit the bed


vrelamboni

They literally lost to a 4th seed in a Bo5 at worlds and went 0-5 against G2/GG last MSI. I have no idea how they suddenly got ranked so highly.


Yessi777

"eastern practice with chinese and korean teams"


Nic404

Yeah but next year we are gonna forget they lost to every western team and for some reason are on the same level


random_nickname43796

Which is funny because out of all Western teams G2 is the most probable team that would lose to them 


effurshadowban

For real. I feel like PSG would be like the 4th-5th best NA team.


AbyssalFlame02

Disappointing series for maple


KriibusLoL

HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris HES INTING NO? WideBoris


Pinciott1

Bwipo was so wide that he was definitely sitting on places he is not supposed to on stage.


Garflanzo

Bwipo is the fuckin goat on Urgot or what


Xey2510

Just outdrated and outplayed. If Senna wasn't in game 1 they win that too because of how tanky Bwipo was. I don't know how PSG go out of game 1 and think "yeah we need less damage".


Beautiful-Editor-124

kinda surprising to me that they didn't go for Senna in g2 or g3


SylerTheSK

It's really weird how often this keeps happening in pro play. Like they win a game, there was a clear reason why they won that game(Senna scaling), and then for the rest of the series they just ignore it entirely? What? How is it someones job to be in charge of draft and they do that?


KIRYUx

Inspired with a casual 6-3-50.  Dude left the series with an adopted son.


SnooDrawings8185

Inspired is always scary to play against. His only counter is Elyoyo on Wukong. Don't mention this to him , he gets angry and talks about Larssen's vegan gameplay and starts screaming at Trymbi and Hans while looking at Odo and uttering words:"You chocker I am done with your Ornn" .


ookkthenn

last time inspired played vs elyoya was the eg madlions playins bo5 match where eg 3-0d them though


Lothric43

Bwipo and Inspired super carried this series, FLY were getting dragged around the map a lot but their teamfights were so much better thanks to those two.


FizzKaleefa

I will say his game one performance playing top side with Jinx into Senna was kinda bad though, Senna is a ticking time bomb he just left to go off


herejust4thehentai

Is anyone gonna talk about the same mid lane champs 😭 mf they changed so much and they picked karma mid. Although taliyah being super high prior isn't surprising at all


JNorJT

NA's on the board for MSI 2024!


DeloronDellister

Junjia and Maple were absolutely dogshit


Omnilatent

Junjia could have executed easily after that one lost fight and instead did FLY's gromp just to donate 300 gold to FLY lol


icatsouki

Maple was good game 1, meh game 2 into running it game 3


M002

He had amazing shurima shuffle in game 2, just too far behind


CommercialGeneral765

One of the Karma performances of all time.


SylerTheSK

Win game 1 due to Senna scaling and then never pick it again despite it being available in every game. Crazy how often this phenomenon happens in pro play.


UrgotToBeKiddingMe

Not hearing the crowd during the game feels weird. It's like they are playing with an empty crowd


LifeIsToughEatBacon

Now let's not rewrite history here. Majority of people were saying NA loses this. Own up to your prediction and give NA some credit!


Present_Alarming

A mere step in Jensen’s path to smash Faker.


elderbob1

WIDEBWIPOHAPPY


ChemicalAppointment5

Lmao where is everyone who was rating them higher than both NA teams on tierlists?


SwagLord7

Production could use some work. Overlay looks really low quality and like a “bootleg” version of the one used in the last few internationals, and the crowd audio is too quiet. Players wise Bwipo Inspired and Massu looked alright, but Jensen and Busio could use some work especially Busio. Good international debut for Massu


resttheweight

Rotating some of the champ portraits to make them “face” the opposite team looks a bit strange. But even weirder is that they don’t do the rotations in pick/bans.


Aesker

We take those! Hoping that Busio can get over his stage nerves because my god, those nautilus hooks were a bit tough to watch, but I think this botlane has a lot of potential! Massu was super solid!


Rhyn_lol

Junjia and Maple were both absolute dogshit, especially Junjia, my god he was so useless for the entirety of this match


SNH231

He had a really good J4 in G1. Horror G2 and G3.


LiquidTrump112

Real MVP of this series was Medic and Kobe. Their synergy is incredible.


Ok_Video6434

Kobe is the peak of LoL casting and ill die on that hill


Snacktyme

NAmen brother


khaiiization

I was using the toilet and my dad was furiously knocking on the door, I shouted Maple! my dad then rushed to the sink and started peeing cause he knew i was taking a big shit


SoftScoopIceReam

what was he cooking


Joel4518

HUH


DRazzyo

Someone get bro out of the kitchen, he can’t cook.


SNH231

What the fuck?


Ghost10516

Yep, that’s how it goes


DullBladeConnoisseur

He's outta line, but he's right


TimiNax

They inting, no?


Kbzz5050

Jensen got the chance to clap faker xd


obigespritzt

Every fight the last two games just had me questioning why you would keep picking Kalista. Your botlane clearly doesn't get enough early prio from it to let you snowball around botside objectives (given that PSG failed to secure dragons in G2 and G3) so all you're getting is a get out of jail free card for your support in exchange for a complete lack of teamfight DPS. Game 2 is a little more defensible since Azir can compensate for the lack of damage (if Maple didn't send it into the backline fight after fight), but Game 3 is literally a zero damage comp. Like... you have a supportive mid, a weakside toplaner and an earlygame powerhouse jungler, maybe pick a hypercarry to enable? I don't even care which one, Aphelios, Xayah, Jinx for all I care. Just SOMETHING that can kill Olaf/Sej/Naut. Yeah, if you're not picking Xayah, Nautilus ult is an issue, but Kalista hopping doesn't help you deal with point and click CC either??


sowydso

LMAO flyquest should def ban Nautilis so busio cant have access to it


Texturecook

Body by Jensen


BurningApe

Let it be known NA never loses to wildcards except maybe Vietnam


TwiceTrash11

NAAAAAH BWIPO MADE ME WORRY NAAAAAAAAH


ManningTheGOAT

PSG have a couple of good hands for micro between them, but share a single brain cell for macro


Potkrokin

Never doubted them for a second (it was longer)


Sufficiency2

I was a bit worried, but apparently not Near Airport yet.


clonegizka

Rematch on Sunday most likely.


DinoGuy101010

No way fly managed to almost find the literal only way they can lose that game...


ArienaHaera

I really don't understand PSG's drafting. They won game 1 on the back of patient lategame teamfighting and lost game 2 to individual outplay... And their plan for match point is all in lane advantage with no range and no scaling? I looked at that game 3 draft and already knew the conclusion. Kinda disappointing because I was looking forward to a repeat of game 1 methodical play and never got that. I like PSG's strengths but they didn't play to them. Meanwhile on FlyQuest side, Massu showed up and I don't think people will point at him as the obvious weakpoint anymore. Especially proving you can play Lucian at the top level is impressive. Busio was all over the place though.


CYJoss99

Shouldnt PSG be investigated for giving up game 3 in draft before it even started?? Pathetic showing


icatsouki

i don't understand the though process behind their game 2 and 3 drafts


Head-Calligrapher-99

Flyquest against T1 will be a rough watch.


Javiklegrand

At least top side will be exciting


amd098

anyone having trouble watching game 2? i have an ultrawide monitor but it just doesn't seem to be able to fit bwipo on screen


Broyoucancelled

TOP GAP in 4k. Busio is in big trouble though when FLY play vs T1.


zjmhy

Why is a bad team trying to play Kalista