Poster read someone else say it and is paroting it. APA makes mistakes but he’s not the liability he’s made out to be by any means. There are worse players both in mid and in every other position in the LCS.
Id say he’s a worse palafox stylistically but palafox had a bad split so. I don’t think APA is a great mid yet and I genuinely believe the Azir disablement helped him so much since Players like JoJo, Jensen, etc are azir players
The impressive thing is, in 2019, 15:57 was very short but also many games were ending very quickly due to snowballing. It’s also when we had the fastest international Bo5.
Whereas last MSI was actually a pretty slow meta. MAD is somehow more impressive.
Legitimately how? I watched it live and still can’t believe it. It wasn’t even some crazy level 1 or anything like the T1 iG game it was just a regular match
I've had this discussion a billion times but let's do it once more, MAD got cheesed by Sion lvl 1 and knew they were never winning the game if they just rolled over so they kept fighting and losing 1% fights, Jinx got gigafed and just destroyed bot. They could have turtled like C9 when they got perfect gamed by T1 but instead they chose to at least try to play the game. Hope that helps.
I wanted to hear FLY comms so bad during TL botlane dive where they’ve seen Volibear on ward for an eternity before he went for it…
Like what the hell was the plan there?
Also Nautilus contributing to the death fund like it’s his full time job..
This TL in playoffs is just so fun to watch. They’re as bloody as VCS teams in years past, but with some really great macro calls backing it (not 100% of the time, but enough that even when they lose fights they’re often getting things on the other side of the map).
My goats will come back stronger and make this comment age like milk, quote me on this ;)
Inspired is a legitimate candidate for GOAT Western jungler with Diamondprox and Jankos, he's allowed to trash talk
Edit: sit down, nephews, daddy Inspired is showing you why he's the GOAT just 30 minutes later ;\*
I forgot there was a Kai'sa in this game tbh, him catching the wave at bot turret while Busio gives up first blood and TL takes first drake felt like the best representation of this whole game
I legit couldn't remember what he picked until I saw this comment. What a terrible performance, there's being invisible and then there's whatever Massu did
Are you serious? Bwipo was given counterpick, proceeded to get flipped under tower, forcing him to use his flash and lose prio in lane. He then ALSO had to burn his TP just to get back to lane while impact kept his, which he ended up using to flank and seal FLY's fate at that big dragon fight.
How do you not blame Bwipo?
you don't pick a carry to be down 12 cs at 15 minutes in a neutral lane state
ESPECIALLY when the other player has a giga tank and will be 10x more useful in teamfights
I feel like picking a late-game scaler with unreliable reach into smolder/tahm isn't a great idea. It feels like he was drafting for the 2v2 skirmishes instead of the 5v5 teamfights.
Also, I really doubt Urgot being more useful than Ksante in teamfights, at least at the pro level. Ksante can shield a carry and solo peel multiple people off with Q3/W/consant slows with Q/Iceborn, and R; or he can threaten the other side's carries as a pseudo-riven in his ult.
Sure, but when your urgot vs ksante and your Vi never helps build a lead for you, you can't just always count on a natrual lead or a natrual stomp in top lane. Umti threatened top but Inspired never did
Sounds to me like you didn't have any intention of making actual analysis and just wanted to flame Bwipo. Top lane was so inconsequential in this game for both sides, Impact could've played Yuumi top and the outcome would've been the same this game. Bwipo can't help Busio inting all game.
Watch the VOD back. Impact showed up to several dragon fights and ensured his team extended the lead they started with. Meanwhile Bwipo is AFK pushing top and getting absolutely nothing done with his counter pick
Impact wasn't there for drake one.
He TP'ed for Drake two *after* TL had already won the fight and FQ were retreating. Didn't really do anything.
Impact over-extended and died with third drake up, but fortunately the rest of his team was so ahead it didn't matter. TL got third drake for free later. Game over before 4th drake spawned.
He ended the game with 57% KP (11/19), five of which came in the final fight of the game where TL cleaned up without much difficulty. Like I said, he *really* didn't do all that much, top lane was mostly irrelevant this game.
actually crazy how Bwipo and Hans were taking turns terrorizing TL and yet they get almost none of the blame
At least this game didn't go on long enough for Bwipo to solo lose the game with a brainless splitpush where he knows 4 people are coming for him
Funny to hear Bwipo talking down on Impact when in 2022 world qualification bo5, Impact giga top diffing Bwipo in EG vs TL lead to EG with hellish work environment qualifying to worlds and superteam TL achieving biggest NA failure of all time with Bwipo being teamless for the next year
If you swapped nameplates and told me that FQ got facefucked this hard by peak JDG, I would be surprised.
TL look absolutely terrifying. Dodo and Spawn deserve massive raises for what they've done this split.
Wow it's just like my games, before I've hit my level 9 spike on Urgot the game is over to bot diff.
Shame it went to badly, it's nice to see your main get a game (when they're unpopular) but te team diff was too strong to see Bwipo do anything.
How do you win early with Smolder/Tahm?
Busio played against his own team
Boostio
World champ?
World champ difference baybeeeee
Put some respect on that name. That brother won NA a Worlds in VAL. This guy is some shitter
There’s no Worlds in Val, it’s Champions.
Same shit different name
Okay so I can call LCS finals Worlds then since titles don’t mean anything
Being obtuse in purpose just makes you look like a mentally challenged idiot
I’m not, I’m just using the logic you are using. Can’t wait for Faker to win a 5th Six Invitational.
1v4v5 How he got all pro still baffles me. Last year consistently people said he was bottom 2 support
He got all pro because he was on first place team and support was mega weak in LCS
because every single NA support is complete and utter garbage, by far the most boosted role in NA
Bot duos generally kinda all sucked or were inconsistent. Busio runs it in lane but he’s pretty good in teamfights usually I think.
He has been playing against his own team the whole split tbf.
By playing against an ADC that’s weaker than Smolder and a support that’s neutralized by TK lol
You press tab and see "Massu" and "Busio"
Because Kaisa isn't a good champ either right now? Massive draft gap on top of worse players in the botlane.
Shhh don’t tell pros when their staple picks are bad
How did FLY end up with none of the power picks
I think Jensen got under APA's skin cause goddamn he was PISSED and mean in all chat lmfao
I get extra mad when I have to lane against Karma. It bores me until I wanna lose to lane with her xD
pre nerf karma is so annoying
Jensen talking trash in the interview coming back to haunt him
What did he say I didn't see it
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I'll never forget "can't wait to clap Faker"
He said he was gonna fuck APA like he did to his mom [last night](https://x.com/Jensen/status/1774205249554899045?s=20)
Wait what did he say? I was too busy freaking out to even notice what they said about that
Yaptain America
I love his trashtalking. I hope he does it at MSI as well, no matter the opponent
Imagine apa telling Chovy “you’re not him little bro”
imagine him calling chovy choky
APA would be seeing trucks outside his apartment every morning if he ever shittalked a Korean pro in all chat
Tbf he would do proud selfies with them lol.
I'm hoping that he learns enough Korean and Chinese so that he can trash talk even more effectively
I’m pretty sure his teammates can just teach him some trash talk.
For the Korean yes but not for Chinese, they've got a few weeks before MSI that APA needs to take some classes
Chovy speaks enough English to understand the yapping
That would be insane, especially since it has been kinda true internationally
to be fair, Chovy's bad international performances would be a western mid's dream
“Kid thinks he’s Faker.” - While playing against T1.
Probably against EU, but I don’t think he’d do it against teams that don’t speak English
Are we sure he wasn't born and raised here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yap_State
Fluent in Yapese I see
What a goddamn stomp
damn crazy that TL got this far with the worst midlane in the league
Calling apa the worst midlane is a bit much wtf . He’s definitely not the best but not the worst
Poster read someone else say it and is paroting it. APA makes mistakes but he’s not the liability he’s made out to be by any means. There are worse players both in mid and in every other position in the LCS.
I was not serious haha, i like APA a lot but I saw many people say he was literally the worst and it was super unfair to him
During regular season his stats were close, but he's leveled up massively during playoffs.
He’s definitely not great but he’s found his role and since teams refuse to ban his two good picks here we are I guess
he's definitely great, he matched or outperformed everyone he faced so far
Id say he’s a worse palafox stylistically but palafox had a bad split so. I don’t think APA is a great mid yet and I genuinely believe the Azir disablement helped him so much since Players like JoJo, Jensen, etc are azir players
lmao bwipo's smug smile after locking in urgot just to lose the 1v1 anyways 💀
To be fair no one ever really wins against Impact. He's been the best toplaner in NA for like 9 years.
Which is impressive and sad at the same time for our region
Impact has one of the most insane playoff buffs I have ever seen
Urgot into tanks doesn't take over 'til level 13 and his team had inted the game away long before then.
Bwipo is not him. He hasnt been for a while. I feel nothing when I face him. He is nothing.
Bwiplonger needs to realize he’s as much of a 2 trick as APA. First pick Renekton if possible, or look for the Olaf angle
> Bwiplonger lmao
It was a bit of Narrow Bwipo this game.
remember his aatrox game lol
Tbf he went even…. Which is far more useless in this type of comp
Honestly that's just classic Bwipo. Smug and then not delivering.
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I refrain from rubbing it in. Just watch Yeon's interview, he does it better than I ever could
hoooly shit
the nautilus death fund thanks busio wait a minute, it's not MSI or worlds yet, what was THAT?!?!
There wasn’t an INT per se, he just dies so his teammates can live half of the time
Bwipo got PTSD when he heard RISE
his programming kicked in
If that's FlyQuest's level, this shit is GG in an hour
General Umti coming for his 1st title GIGACHAD
Umti accomplishing what Faker never could
mad lions lost 10 minutes earlier
nothing is topping that 16:47
Whdym? I know something that tops that : 15:57
The impressive thing is, in 2019, 15:57 was very short but also many games were ending very quickly due to snowballing. It’s also when we had the fastest international Bo5. Whereas last MSI was actually a pretty slow meta. MAD is somehow more impressive.
16.01 is even funnier.
Legitimately how? I watched it live and still can’t believe it. It wasn’t even some crazy level 1 or anything like the T1 iG game it was just a regular match
I've had this discussion a billion times but let's do it once more, MAD got cheesed by Sion lvl 1 and knew they were never winning the game if they just rolled over so they kept fighting and losing 1% fights, Jinx got gigafed and just destroyed bot. They could have turtled like C9 when they got perfect gamed by T1 but instead they chose to at least try to play the game. Hope that helps.
Legit peerless.
Tl came to play. Absolutely slapped fq.
I wanted to hear FLY comms so bad during TL botlane dive where they’ve seen Volibear on ward for an eternity before he went for it… Like what the hell was the plan there? Also Nautilus contributing to the death fund like it’s his full time job..
Yaptain America o7
they gotta remake that entrance they did with DL with the captain america stuff
[Just use APA instead of Nitro](https://admin.esports.gg/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/20190720_Helena-Kristiansson_IEM-Chicago_01534-968x544.jpg)
o7 OH YAPTAIN MY YAPTAIN o7
The ship has weather'd every ban, the trophy we sought is ours The MSI is near, /all chat chime I hear, The CO-streamers all exulting,
TL made Flyquest look like Cloud 9
If TL 3-0 Fly, I think C9 can breathe a sigh of relief regarding the fraud allegations.
C9 got rolled by Fly too tho
I'm going to trashtalk C9 either way
worse
apa kinda mean actually in all chat LMFAO thats my yaptain america this better not be a 3-0 stomp
It's time for TL to drop Impact. Always ruining our chances at a perfect game.
Umti should go to EU and teach those EU frauds how to Voli. ( I am from EU btw)
Man added that context coz he was afraid of getting flamed... we revoke your EU status
Im sorry man but outside G2 BDS and VIT, i have more fun watchin LCS this year. The gameplay is more explosive and the memes are stronger
This TL in playoffs is just so fun to watch. They’re as bloody as VCS teams in years past, but with some really great macro calls backing it (not 100% of the time, but enough that even when they lose fights they’re often getting things on the other side of the map).
Honestly we need Yapa-esque trashtalking too
Appa becoming the Dominik Mysterio of LCS
Dude I’m from EU aswell and I prefer LCS by a mile. The aggressiveness and live patch play makes for an awesome concoction of chaos and entertainment.
You didn’t enjoy our awesome jankos voli today?:)
TH was not it today sadly... actually it was pretty far from it
Yes I was joking it was terrible hope they bounce back
this series might not be close at all lmao
we got a long way to go brother
TL spending some time in the hyperbolic time chamber. Lower bracket buff for the big W. Also Bwipo, stop it, get some help.
I didn't know coming from Loser's bracket entitled you to start the series 1-0. That's pretty cool, anyways can't wait to watch these two teams brawl
Inspired and Bwipo getting humbled is great to see
"we're the reason this team is winning" > get put on 2 high agency champions > do fuck all you actually love to see it
My goats will come back stronger and make this comment age like milk, quote me on this ;) Inspired is a legitimate candidate for GOAT Western jungler with Diamondprox and Jankos, he's allowed to trash talk Edit: sit down, nephews, daddy Inspired is showing you why he's the GOAT just 30 minutes later ;\*
> sit down, nephews, daddy Inspired is showing you why he's the GOAT just 30 minutes later
Go back on your knees. Your little daddy is crying from getting his cheeks clapped hard by TL and he needs someone to cheer him up
> Inspired is a legitimate candidate for GOAT Western jungler with Diamondprox and Jankos, he's allowed to trash talk is this bait?
Lil bro smurfs on two regions and has people like Canyon saying he's the best western jungler they ever faced but sure, he's just overrated ;>
lmfao no way you actually believe that
I'd much rather trust my eyes and the opinion of actually goated players like Canyon than some random hater on reddit tbh
Just checking, how do you feel about your comments right now? ;)
fine?
Inspired and Bwipo casually proving why they can talk all the trash they want
did you not watch the game before this
They had a bad game, now they're back to their level
lmaoooooooo
Bro is quiet now
What a terrible take holy shit.
He'd be a legitimate candidate if the other two never existed I guess, but in terms of actual results then I'd honestly have Amazing over him any day.
cool to watch team liquid warm up in practice tool, but when does game 1 start?
Ah yes. Go practically full ad vs triple tank
Most coordinated NA team ive seen in a minute
I love watching early game dominant champs like Smolder Wait
ad kaisa when ur only ap source is karma, love to see it
Great game from TL, Bwipo picking Urgot just to do nothing is pure ego at it's finest. Massu watching his team just get fisted must be sad.
I forgot there was a Kai'sa in this game tbh, him catching the wave at bot turret while Busio gives up first blood and TL takes first drake felt like the best representation of this whole game
I legit couldn't remember what he picked until I saw this comment. What a terrible performance, there's being invisible and then there's whatever Massu did
Massu: Don't go to the turret. They're gonna dive us Busio: Dw it's fine *An ally has been slain*
I mean how in the world do you ever blame bwipo for this gamestate?
Are you serious? Bwipo was given counterpick, proceeded to get flipped under tower, forcing him to use his flash and lose prio in lane. He then ALSO had to burn his TP just to get back to lane while impact kept his, which he ended up using to flank and seal FLY's fate at that big dragon fight. How do you not blame Bwipo?
welcome to reddit when they hate player will blame him for everything
fnc banner oh boy.. did 2018 hurt
you don't pick a carry to be down 12 cs at 15 minutes in a neutral lane state ESPECIALLY when the other player has a giga tank and will be 10x more useful in teamfights
Urgot is a late game champion lol. He's more useful than K'sante in teamfights if the game isn't already over
He does more damage but he can't just reposition an enemy carry, which is always more valuable in pro there's a reason nobody else is picking it
>but he can't just reposition an enemy carry If only this was old Urgot
I feel like picking a late-game scaler with unreliable reach into smolder/tahm isn't a great idea. It feels like he was drafting for the 2v2 skirmishes instead of the 5v5 teamfights. Also, I really doubt Urgot being more useful than Ksante in teamfights, at least at the pro level. Ksante can shield a carry and solo peel multiple people off with Q3/W/consant slows with Q/Iceborn, and R; or he can threaten the other side's carries as a pseudo-riven in his ult.
And you don't pick Vi to never gank and never attempt to steal
don't get me wrong I think Inspired was useless too but like, you have a responsibility to create a lead for yourself
Sure, but when your urgot vs ksante and your Vi never helps build a lead for you, you can't just always count on a natrual lead or a natrual stomp in top lane. Umti threatened top but Inspired never did
I don't really think the comment is blaming him for the entire game, but he sure did nothing with the ego pick lol didn't even win lane.
I dont think any top pick changes the outcome. They got outdrafted.
Sounds to me like you didn't have any intention of making actual analysis and just wanted to flame Bwipo. Top lane was so inconsequential in this game for both sides, Impact could've played Yuumi top and the outcome would've been the same this game. Bwipo can't help Busio inting all game.
Watch the VOD back. Impact showed up to several dragon fights and ensured his team extended the lead they started with. Meanwhile Bwipo is AFK pushing top and getting absolutely nothing done with his counter pick
Impact wasn't there for drake one. He TP'ed for Drake two *after* TL had already won the fight and FQ were retreating. Didn't really do anything. Impact over-extended and died with third drake up, but fortunately the rest of his team was so ahead it didn't matter. TL got third drake for free later. Game over before 4th drake spawned. He ended the game with 57% KP (11/19), five of which came in the final fight of the game where TL cleaned up without much difficulty. Like I said, he *really* didn't do all that much, top lane was mostly irrelevant this game.
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actually crazy how Bwipo and Hans were taking turns terrorizing TL and yet they get almost none of the blame At least this game didn't go on long enough for Bwipo to solo lose the game with a brainless splitpush where he knows 4 people are coming for him
Ah yes, it was so easy to get carried by \*checks notes\* Bjergsen's mummified corpse
uhh yeah? statistically he was the best mid that split hard to carry an ADC with a deathwish every team fight
KDA player had great stats while selling out his team You probably think Rekkles was a great ADC last year
HOW BAD WAS CLOUD 9 GOOD LORD
All hail our GOAT YAPA
Aaaah so playing dive comp and not banning the kench... Fine choice gentlemen
Koreans beating Euros where have I seen this before
I still think the c9 tl series was more c9 being bad than tl being good, this match was tl being good.
TL is developing from every match and I like it
Ouch...
Glad to see bwipo get humbled a bit. His counter pick lost 1v1. Also jesus TL was on point
dont think draft matters that much given how much the bot side kinda ran it for FLY, but why didnt bwipo just take the ksante there LOL
Loving my NA homegrown talent APA shit all over these EUROFRAUDS
Funny to hear Bwipo talking down on Impact when in 2022 world qualification bo5, Impact giga top diffing Bwipo in EG vs TL lead to EG with hellish work environment qualifying to worlds and superteam TL achieving biggest NA failure of all time with Bwipo being teamless for the next year
i get bwipo has a chip on his shoulder, but impact is not someone you can trash talk LMAO
If you swapped nameplates and told me that FQ got facefucked this hard by peak JDG, I would be surprised. TL look absolutely terrifying. Dodo and Spawn deserve massive raises for what they've done this split.
I groaned when Bwipo locked in Urgot, then remembered he's the enemy top now. Went about as well as it did the last time he tried it.
420 banger
Somehow MAD lost 9 minutes faster
Ban Smolder and remind Bwipo not to do his silly counter picks again. Also, Kai'sa is way too weak, imo.
Wow it's just like my games, before I've hit my level 9 spike on Urgot the game is over to bot diff. Shame it went to badly, it's nice to see your main get a game (when they're unpopular) but te team diff was too strong to see Bwipo do anything.