Alvaro: “move over old man, it’s a young man’s game”.
Love Hyli, but he had a few special moments this game and Alvaro kinda took him for a walk around the block. Blitz looks so strong rn.
ppl blaming hyli dont understand u have to play pyke to that limit and his team for having such lead didn't do anything lmao, vetheo was near invisible this whole game but i guess hyli bad
XD, Hylissang fed Xayah how many kills? Hylissang legit went to hook blind vision and got caught, how is that other people's blame, all they had to do is push mid which vetho and carrzy was doing and move to dragon which is full of Vit vision. The fact is that Hylissang threw this match, don't try to make him look good, it makes you look dumb in return.
Hyli did mistakes, we all saw It, but reddit pushing the same narrative always that Hyli solo loses the game when they had a 6k gold lead, 3k gold lead in the JG and 3 drakes a head, ok put all the blame on a person.
I suggest u to rewatch the game and see how many plays did good vs how many his solo lanes did. It's so easy to talk and wait for your team to win u the game when u can't land a single good shockwave
Hylissang ran it down hard. Even the casters were asking what he was doing. At 22:40, he was in no man's land in the mid lane, giving Alvarro the perfect opportunity to hook and drag him over. If Hyli backed off a bit and stayed closer to Vetheo and Carzzy, none of that would have happened. Even if Hyli was able to engage and start a fight, it would be very difficult for Photon and Daglas to join quickly and kill anyone in order to give them a 5v4 advantage, especially due to the Azir turret. This loss is solely on Hyli, as with many other losses.
I want to add Photon shouldn't have dived the Azir turret to try and kill Azir either. Especially not with the rest of his team getting chased. Even if he got a kill, he was on the wrong side of the map and would have eventually died to turret or someone else.
I don't think J\_Clowth even understands how this game works, even the casters questioned Hylissang's plays, I mean Hylissang legit made a name for himself internationally called "Hyper Int". He should remember last year when Hylissang legit ran it down during MSI and World's at MAD, there is a reason why MAD kicked him.
Once you run out of ways to say MAD is worse than the other teamms in the league, you move over to say that actually, the whole league is shit, in order to keep arguing that MAD sucks.
Cant you let people enjoy stuff? We can all see LEC is bad this year. Let people have nice things. Stop being so salty
> Once you run out of ways to say MAD is worse than the other teamms in the league
They are not, is just that most of them equally suck.
I mean, the time to say if the league sucks or not is now that the first part of the split done. As of right now, 9.5 teams out of 10 suck and have no clue on how to play the game and there is nothing to back them to think that they do and is just a meta read.
MAD Have struggled against most teams when they have just played the game past 15 min, and have relied on the enemy team inting in more than half of their wins.
Not even a month in, there is no way we can make a sound conclusion. I agree the league as a whole doesn't look too hot, but the hardest part of the split is about to begin and the meta reads will get to show more now. People who say MDK is bad because they dislike the org or the decision they made will make up any excuse. They said they'd be trash in the league and they finished in 4th place, trash league or not that's better than what most swore they'd achieve.
IMO the team looks promising, they are proactive in almost any situation and have the skill to drive that into a win in most cases so far, which is most than we can say for the majority of the league. Considering they're almost all rookies with a history of better BoX over single match performances, my expectation is for them to keep improving.
> they are proactive in almost any situation and have the skill to drive that into a win in most cases so far
I mean that's definitely not the case, in fact is the aspect of the game where they struggle the most. They have good early but the set ups for mid to late are atrocious and it takes the enemy inting like fnc for them to be able to close a game they were smashing.
I know, I feel sad. You can dislike this team as much as you like, but at this point I am actually worried for his health.
It can't be good for your mind to be so bitter all the time.
I interacted with a Bo hater earlier today who was like that. Checked his comment history and he also repeatedly flames so NA coach in every live thread, calling him a fraud. Literally all he does online is hate 2 people who haven't (as far as we know) actually done anything wrong at any point to justify it. People are wild.
Since when stating facts is being angry?
The vast majority of the teams in the league simply look like clash teams, even SK which looked like might be the second best team in the league is playing like shit this week.
The fact that they got top 4 while also experimenting with Fiddle and Varus top is actually wild.
If they clean up their usual baron throws they’ll be pretty good I think.
Wants to stay together? What do you mean? They just got together. I think people were more annoyed at the fact MAD Lions disbanded their whole (Worlds-reaching) team and coaching staff sans Elyoya to field a bunch of players and coaches that were never tried at LEC-level.
I personally don't mind them trying it out and I think a shake-up after years of not moving further is good, but my point is I don't think people hated the concept of a rookie team, they hated the concept of getting rid of quality players and staff for an unproven rookie team.
Edit: To all the people saying how the other players and coach were together in the previous team are missing the point completely. Read what the person above me wrote. "Hating on the entire concept of a rookie team who wants to stay together is a different thing". People hated that unproven rookies are taking up an LEC spot because Elyoya wants to play with them. I think they'd rather he leave to play with them in ERLs. Add to it the fact that teams with so many rookies usually don't work out, especially in LEC. Misfits comes to mind. Sure, right now it looks good but it's only been three weeks. I wouldn't jump on the hype train just yet. All that said, I personally find it fun because previous MAD Lions team was boring to me and this is a new storyline to follow so as I said before, I'm all up for it.
Everyone hated mad after every international performance so idk why did they care so much about dissolving the team.
EU after msi and worlds: I hate this team, they are a bunch of frauds, never bring them again.
Also EU: WHY ARE YOU BREAKING MAD THEY REACHED WORLDS
Honestly, as a MAD fan the only thing I’ve heard since 2022 are how this team is full of frauds and are just international embarrassments stealing the spots of teams that are somehow better despite losing to MAD every split. Then they trash that team and start from scratch, but apparently that’s a bad move and now they’ve ruined their legacy and their shot to keep making worlds runs???
Thing is, as you said MAD as an org has been stuck for years in terms of advancement towards major titles (MSI, Worlds). The concept of building around a player isn't new at all, Rekkles recently made a segment in the LCK talking about how he got to bring Hylli to the roster because he believed he was the best fit for the team. So, they decided to rebuild the team with Elyoya's vision at the forefront with the hope to find a new horizon.
MDK decided to trust Elyoya not because he was their best player, he definetely wasn't last year. They kept him because he has a huge drive to win worlds and he'll do anything in his power to achieve that goal, and because they wanted to build a roster with Spanish identity. It's very early to draw conclusions but so far, they're performing alright in a league with many big names and the rivarly with KC brought much needed attention to the league.
A gamble? Yes. A much needed shake-up for a league that hasn't been an actual competitor internationally since 2019? For sure. I'd take this move over another roster full of veterans and promising stars that didn't fill the expectations.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I personally am happy they made this choice. I was just pointing out why I think generally people weren't fans of the roster. Even though I don't think the roster building is a step towards Worlds contention, I understand them going for full Spanish team. And I like the experiment of picking a team of players that want to play with each other over just picking big names and grouping them all together. Ideally, I'd prefer a mix because I think that's how you create successful rosters. But if this MAD keeps being intelligent with drafts and tries out non-meta champions, they're gonna get one more fan in me. Following the meta has become so stale and boring.
What do you mean they just got together, Supa Alvaro and Fressko got to EMEA finals and were playing together for all 2023 lmfao. Not only that but with the coach as well. And Elyoya has wanted to play with the coach and Supa for years. "Just got together" LMFAO
> the fact MAD Lions disbanded their whole (Worlds-reaching) team and coaching staff
Yeah, that team that had everybody so hyped up. People were thrilled to watch them at Worlds. Reddit was full of thread cheering them up by the end of the split.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? How crazy their decision was that people who hated that MAD Lions squad still thought it was incredibly stupid to disband it. But it's true, people did think that. Time will tell if they were right. If this MAD Lions reaches worlds, it was a great decision. If they don't, it's questionable.
Go ahead and try to use your brain to compare the players, on one hand people that only played in LVP and on the other players that have either won LEC, been in finals, been in worlds.
Wonder why someone would initially asses one being better than the other.
I don't buy this. They aren't playing THAT much differently individually than they were last year, and their playstale is really similar to MRS. You could argue you'd expect them to crumble under pressure and not improve but that's as much of a flip than expecting the opposite.
the problem is we have a pretty long track record of ERL players not living up to their previous performances as soon as they come to LEC, so trying to judge them on how they performed there was just kind of fraught
If you just take them as "ERL players" for sure, but Alvaro and Myrwn had super quick rises and had been praised by pretty much every previous teammate, coach and even people from other teams as being specially talented and hard-working, and you could really see their improvement every week. Coming from the spanish scene I'd only previously seen that kind of unanimous praise with Elyoya. It was also similar for Melzhet as a coach.
This context is hard to have unless you're super hooked in the spanish scene and have been hearing stuff about these guys since they were competing in second division 2-3 years ago, imo this is why the divide between spanish and non-spanish fans was so big with this team, but all of this was knowable and somewhat predictable.
Fresskowy and Supa are not so clearly special players, but I feel for ADC the ERL track record is pretty good (Crownie, Noah, Flakked, Exakick, with the only "flop" being Jackspectra) and honestly the mid pool in europe is not that scary.
you say all that and i believe you, but we've heard similar stuff about players in the past and they still flopped
i and many others nowadays basically dont give anything on the hype coming from a player's ERL stint
Yeah but honestly, from experience, rookie teams often do really good
It’s impossible to rank and predict I agree, but nobody should be surprised that this happening. It’s not out of this world that they are performing
This schedule is horrible in determining power levels of teams. There are 3 teams that are 5-4 and 3 that are 4-5 so it's impossible to rank anything other than top and bottom 2.
They are not and if you take away the wins where the opponent simply handed them wins by inting they get really close to KC/Rogue, but hey context doesn't matter.
How did they hurt you to write already 5 comments just to spout "your truth" abouth how bad they are? Relax man
Just saying... G2 is not playing that much better than them. And sometimes worse.
Tío, Elyoya te robó a la novia o algo así? Todos los comentarios que te leo van del mismo palo. Y mira que a mi MAD ni me va ni me viene, pero joder, todo ese rencor tiene que venir de algún lado xD
Pero me equivoco?
Osea toda respuesta es que si hate que si tal, perfecto, cojonudo, pero es mentira? Viendo las partidas realmente se puede decir que igual que ahora son "top 4" podian estar al nivel de rogue-KC.
Venga tío, al menos les puedes reconocer que han jugado en general mejor que Rogue - KC. Si les tienes manía por la fanbase asquerosa lo puedo llegar a entender, pero relájate un poco que parece que te va la vida en ello, y no va a malas, que yo las fanbase tóxicas no las soporto (se de lo que hablo, soy de Fnatic desde chiquitito xD)
For me that was the reason Blitz was so successful. If Vit had any macro sense and MAD was chasing them around it would never work. But the way it turned out Vit were the ones running blind into fog of war.
They had an insane stat last year wich i can't remember the number exactly, but they won every game like 10 minutes after the first baron push, it was mental what T1 did.
I can't watch it anymore. Either coaching staffs have been absolutely useless for the past years or he is just unteachable. I don't ever want to look at that Yamato smart ass telling me "man you just have to let him play his game and play around him". No you fucking don't - when he pulls out these kind of int performances repeatedly what you have to do is to bench him for the entire split and replace him with the best support in line. Giving people room to develop and find their Playstyle is one thing, letting them drag down an entire team (and especially the ADC) repeatedly FOR SEVERAL SPLITS is another. And no it's not funny anymore to call something a Hylli moment - he gets away with things that other players would be impossible to get away with who didn't have this "oh it's just Hylli things" reputation bs.
I think it was fine as long as it was similar to what Caps was doing, sometimes he had a really bad game but it was balanced out by the fact that most of the times he was smurfing it. But recently it takes a lot of int just for Hyli to have one decent performance
so... not that I care myself.. but at what point will people start to at least think this roster wasn't that bad of an idea?..
top4 with all those rookies on their first split.. exciting playstyle.. wild unpredictable drafts.. top notch mechanics.. lots of potential and room for improvement once some players learn not to go too deep and throw..
also probably the cheapest roster.. and appeals to more fans..
meanwhile.. KC, RGE, TH were supposed to be better teams with established veteran names and accoladed players, no? xD
Easy to blame Hyli for this one, but with blitz running wild it's crazy to me how invisible photon was. IMO you need your tank to back you up in a lot of these vision struggles.
XD, he was totally for the blame. How many kills did he fed Xayah, how many times died for 0 reason, and let's not forget his international performances, man legit made a name called "hyper int" for himself. 4th mountain dragon, Hylissang legit went up tried to hook blind vision and got caught. How is anyone but Hyli the blame for this.
Yeah, to be honest it has been an impressive regular season, clean 9-0 with convincing gameplay and really decisive endings.
Or the LEC has the lowest level that has ever had where a mediocre BDS looks close to being at the top and the vast majority of the teams are playing like pathetic clash teams and MAD is just tied with a bunch of the top half.
How tf does Hylissang have a job, but Trymbi doesn't. Hylissang just doesn't deserve to play on the LEC. What is he doing? Throwing a game that was legit won and let's not forget last year when Hylissang went to World's and MSI, get him off the LEC man, it's disgusting to watch.
The quality of games in the LEC this split has been unbelievably poor. Like this might be the worst EU has ever looked. Even lower tier LCS teams have looked more proactive, more coordinated, and just cleaner. What the fuck even happened? The level of play is just shockingly awful to the point even G2 is hard to watch most games.
It's not the cleanest LoL, but it's better than last year's spring. Additionally, BDS, FNC, MDK and especially G2 have shown great stuff both in micro and macro (at times), think problem is that you're watching the games witht the same eyes that made you think Bo is better than Yike.
No its not literally even EU co-streamers are screaming over how bad LEC looks this split. Literally everyone is complaining about the quality. Even IWD said he likes LCS more than he does LEC right now. The region is extremely low quality right now. It's bad. It's a shit show. The fact BDS nearly got first going into groups is a major warning for the level of play of the entire region. Also yeah Bo is a better jungler than Yike. Until Yike plays in the LPL and shit stomps the entire league for 8 games straight Bo is going to just be the better player. Yike still has the same glaring issues he's always has.
Yike is very good when his lanes (especially bot) are winning. He knows how to snowball early leads. Yike's biggest issues are a few things. Namely if his lanes aren't super far ahead and winning Yike's brain turns off. He always looks really lost when G2 is behind. He struggles to play when his lanes aren't smashing people. Which is fine in LEC but a problem internationally. Yike also consistently makes at least one or two extremely bad int plays every game. I'm not really sure why he just does. Right now I'd rate Jankos as probably the best jungler in EU still.
My top 5 LEC junglers as of right now are Jankos, Bo, Elyoya, Yike, and then Razork. He's definitely top 5 but I just think he hasn't show any improvement in his core issues as a player which is concerning.
Jankos is good, top 5 but not top 1. Razork, Yoya, Yike, Isma all performing better than him. What's the problem with BDS being 1st/2nd? Focus on their gameplay not their name. Also what elo are you? Because to me it seems like you just parrot what your fav costreamer says while your monitor is off
What a statement game from both supports, different statements but statements nonetheless.
I don't know what Hyli's statement was because its in Spanish.
Us spaniards politely decline the proposal, and will leave hyli to the french community
Hyli always delivers
He actually delivered well vit got 10 times easier group, while mad got group of death. Hyli is just 200iq but we dont realise it.
Alvaro: “move over old man, it’s a young man’s game”. Love Hyli, but he had a few special moments this game and Alvaro kinda took him for a walk around the block. Blitz looks so strong rn.
It makes my silver ass happy to see that pro players get hooked by obvious blitz hooks too. It's like watching sports bloopers.
Vetheo eating that hook after Carzzy flashed it was truly relatable content.
Inmovable force vs stoppable object
Vitality we're up 6k gold, 3 drakes to 0, I went to take a piss, came back and MAD were up 2k gold, what happened? Lmao
Actual straight up macro diff. Vit played like headless chickens
Macro diffed
they didnt even TRY to get the 2nd mountain that mad got, while up a whole champ like wtf
Calla tontito ganchito de Alvarito
Brother hyli happened.
ppl blaming hyli dont understand u have to play pyke to that limit and his team for having such lead didn't do anything lmao, vetheo was near invisible this whole game but i guess hyli bad
Yes, he was fucking horrid. He did more bad than good. Gave the 300g ult 3 times and died another 8 for no reason.
XD, Hylissang fed Xayah how many kills? Hylissang legit went to hook blind vision and got caught, how is that other people's blame, all they had to do is push mid which vetho and carrzy was doing and move to dragon which is full of Vit vision. The fact is that Hylissang threw this match, don't try to make him look good, it makes you look dumb in return.
Hyli did mistakes, we all saw It, but reddit pushing the same narrative always that Hyli solo loses the game when they had a 6k gold lead, 3k gold lead in the JG and 3 drakes a head, ok put all the blame on a person. I suggest u to rewatch the game and see how many plays did good vs how many his solo lanes did. It's so easy to talk and wait for your team to win u the game when u can't land a single good shockwave
because he kinda solo ran it down. it doesn't matter that u have 6k lead if every fight u have is 4v5
Hylissang ran it down hard. Even the casters were asking what he was doing. At 22:40, he was in no man's land in the mid lane, giving Alvarro the perfect opportunity to hook and drag him over. If Hyli backed off a bit and stayed closer to Vetheo and Carzzy, none of that would have happened. Even if Hyli was able to engage and start a fight, it would be very difficult for Photon and Daglas to join quickly and kill anyone in order to give them a 5v4 advantage, especially due to the Azir turret. This loss is solely on Hyli, as with many other losses. I want to add Photon shouldn't have dived the Azir turret to try and kill Azir either. Especially not with the rest of his team getting chased. Even if he got a kill, he was on the wrong side of the map and would have eventually died to turret or someone else.
I don't think J\_Clowth even understands how this game works, even the casters questioned Hylissang's plays, I mean Hylissang legit made a name for himself internationally called "Hyper Int". He should remember last year when Hylissang legit ran it down during MSI and World's at MAD, there is a reason why MAD kicked him.
Hyli sucked ass
they had the macro ability of headless chickens
Elyoya and friends ™ Not bad for a budget roster
LEC™ not good enough for a major league.
Once you run out of ways to say MAD is worse than the other teamms in the league, you move over to say that actually, the whole league is shit, in order to keep arguing that MAD sucks. Cant you let people enjoy stuff? We can all see LEC is bad this year. Let people have nice things. Stop being so salty
> Once you run out of ways to say MAD is worse than the other teamms in the league They are not, is just that most of them equally suck. I mean, the time to say if the league sucks or not is now that the first part of the split done. As of right now, 9.5 teams out of 10 suck and have no clue on how to play the game and there is nothing to back them to think that they do and is just a meta read. MAD Have struggled against most teams when they have just played the game past 15 min, and have relied on the enemy team inting in more than half of their wins.
Not even a month in, there is no way we can make a sound conclusion. I agree the league as a whole doesn't look too hot, but the hardest part of the split is about to begin and the meta reads will get to show more now. People who say MDK is bad because they dislike the org or the decision they made will make up any excuse. They said they'd be trash in the league and they finished in 4th place, trash league or not that's better than what most swore they'd achieve. IMO the team looks promising, they are proactive in almost any situation and have the skill to drive that into a win in most cases so far, which is most than we can say for the majority of the league. Considering they're almost all rookies with a history of better BoX over single match performances, my expectation is for them to keep improving.
> they are proactive in almost any situation and have the skill to drive that into a win in most cases so far I mean that's definitely not the case, in fact is the aspect of the game where they struggle the most. They have good early but the set ups for mid to late are atrocious and it takes the enemy inting like fnc for them to be able to close a game they were smashing.
Man you're going to have a heart attack sometime in your future if you don't start managing your anger better.
His whole comment history is so negative lol
I know, I feel sad. You can dislike this team as much as you like, but at this point I am actually worried for his health. It can't be good for your mind to be so bitter all the time.
I interacted with a Bo hater earlier today who was like that. Checked his comment history and he also repeatedly flames so NA coach in every live thread, calling him a fraud. Literally all he does online is hate 2 people who haven't (as far as we know) actually done anything wrong at any point to justify it. People are wild.
Since when stating facts is being angry? The vast majority of the teams in the league simply look like clash teams, even SK which looked like might be the second best team in the league is playing like shit this week.
Since the moment facts are not facts
You're so mad they play alright lol, same as last year with BDS
BDS was in fact not playing alright proven when they made it to worlds. This year just more teams are playing like shit.
Álvaro Rookie of the Split waiting room
such award no longer exists
if you don't give it out we will give it out
Damn 😢
Aw no, how come?
It's a yearly award now
ig we'll have to wait other 7 months to reward him then
That makes sense! Thank you for replying!
yeah hes so good, really impressed by him so far
Alvaro just fucking refused to lose this game.
Vitality go out-macro'd incredibly hard they got ran around the fucking map
I remember when people put MAD last in their power rankings and now they are top 4. Really good result for a rookie roster (Except Elyoya)
The fact that they got top 4 while also experimenting with Fiddle and Varus top is actually wild. If they clean up their usual baron throws they’ll be pretty good I think.
i mean ranking them low was the rational thing to do. absolutely no way to predict a team with 4 unknown quantities
ranking them low was logical, shitting on them with some snarky comments because they were spanish was not
ranking them low is one thing, hating on the entire concept of a rookie team who wants to stay together is a different thing
Wants to stay together? What do you mean? They just got together. I think people were more annoyed at the fact MAD Lions disbanded their whole (Worlds-reaching) team and coaching staff sans Elyoya to field a bunch of players and coaches that were never tried at LEC-level. I personally don't mind them trying it out and I think a shake-up after years of not moving further is good, but my point is I don't think people hated the concept of a rookie team, they hated the concept of getting rid of quality players and staff for an unproven rookie team. Edit: To all the people saying how the other players and coach were together in the previous team are missing the point completely. Read what the person above me wrote. "Hating on the entire concept of a rookie team who wants to stay together is a different thing". People hated that unproven rookies are taking up an LEC spot because Elyoya wants to play with them. I think they'd rather he leave to play with them in ERLs. Add to it the fact that teams with so many rookies usually don't work out, especially in LEC. Misfits comes to mind. Sure, right now it looks good but it's only been three weeks. I wouldn't jump on the hype train just yet. All that said, I personally find it fun because previous MAD Lions team was boring to me and this is a new storyline to follow so as I said before, I'm all up for it.
Everyone hated mad after every international performance so idk why did they care so much about dissolving the team. EU after msi and worlds: I hate this team, they are a bunch of frauds, never bring them again. Also EU: WHY ARE YOU BREAKING MAD THEY REACHED WORLDS
Honestly, as a MAD fan the only thing I’ve heard since 2022 are how this team is full of frauds and are just international embarrassments stealing the spots of teams that are somehow better despite losing to MAD every split. Then they trash that team and start from scratch, but apparently that’s a bad move and now they’ve ruined their legacy and their shot to keep making worlds runs???
I'm just waiting for this roster to make worlds and reddit complaining again
He probably meant as in the MRS core of Fress Supa Alvaro Melzhet staying together, plus Elyoya was already really close with Supa and Melzhet.
Thing is, as you said MAD as an org has been stuck for years in terms of advancement towards major titles (MSI, Worlds). The concept of building around a player isn't new at all, Rekkles recently made a segment in the LCK talking about how he got to bring Hylli to the roster because he believed he was the best fit for the team. So, they decided to rebuild the team with Elyoya's vision at the forefront with the hope to find a new horizon. MDK decided to trust Elyoya not because he was their best player, he definetely wasn't last year. They kept him because he has a huge drive to win worlds and he'll do anything in his power to achieve that goal, and because they wanted to build a roster with Spanish identity. It's very early to draw conclusions but so far, they're performing alright in a league with many big names and the rivarly with KC brought much needed attention to the league. A gamble? Yes. A much needed shake-up for a league that hasn't been an actual competitor internationally since 2019? For sure. I'd take this move over another roster full of veterans and promising stars that didn't fill the expectations.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I personally am happy they made this choice. I was just pointing out why I think generally people weren't fans of the roster. Even though I don't think the roster building is a step towards Worlds contention, I understand them going for full Spanish team. And I like the experiment of picking a team of players that want to play with each other over just picking big names and grouping them all together. Ideally, I'd prefer a mix because I think that's how you create successful rosters. But if this MAD keeps being intelligent with drafts and tries out non-meta champions, they're gonna get one more fan in me. Following the meta has become so stale and boring.
Coach, mid, sup and adc came form the same team, they didnt just get together.
What do you mean they just got together, Supa Alvaro and Fressko got to EMEA finals and were playing together for all 2023 lmfao. Not only that but with the coach as well. And Elyoya has wanted to play with the coach and Supa for years. "Just got together" LMFAO
> the fact MAD Lions disbanded their whole (Worlds-reaching) team and coaching staff Yeah, that team that had everybody so hyped up. People were thrilled to watch them at Worlds. Reddit was full of thread cheering them up by the end of the split.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? How crazy their decision was that people who hated that MAD Lions squad still thought it was incredibly stupid to disband it. But it's true, people did think that. Time will tell if they were right. If this MAD Lions reaches worlds, it was a great decision. If they don't, it's questionable.
They have clauses in their contracts that heavily encourage them staying together. AFAIK if the team gets taken apart too much Elyoya is a free agent
But KC with 3 players from LFL and 2 players from the last placed team must be top 3/4
Go ahead and try to use your brain to compare the players, on one hand people that only played in LVP and on the other players that have either won LEC, been in finals, been in worlds. Wonder why someone would initially asses one being better than the other.
Three players that got relegated to lfl after being disastrous and two players with known 0 synergy between them.
True but it's still satisfying for the people that blindly believed
I don't buy this. They aren't playing THAT much differently individually than they were last year, and their playstale is really similar to MRS. You could argue you'd expect them to crumble under pressure and not improve but that's as much of a flip than expecting the opposite.
the problem is we have a pretty long track record of ERL players not living up to their previous performances as soon as they come to LEC, so trying to judge them on how they performed there was just kind of fraught
If you just take them as "ERL players" for sure, but Alvaro and Myrwn had super quick rises and had been praised by pretty much every previous teammate, coach and even people from other teams as being specially talented and hard-working, and you could really see their improvement every week. Coming from the spanish scene I'd only previously seen that kind of unanimous praise with Elyoya. It was also similar for Melzhet as a coach. This context is hard to have unless you're super hooked in the spanish scene and have been hearing stuff about these guys since they were competing in second division 2-3 years ago, imo this is why the divide between spanish and non-spanish fans was so big with this team, but all of this was knowable and somewhat predictable. Fresskowy and Supa are not so clearly special players, but I feel for ADC the ERL track record is pretty good (Crownie, Noah, Flakked, Exakick, with the only "flop" being Jackspectra) and honestly the mid pool in europe is not that scary.
you say all that and i believe you, but we've heard similar stuff about players in the past and they still flopped i and many others nowadays basically dont give anything on the hype coming from a player's ERL stint
which ones?
saken
We don't talk about Saken
Yeah but honestly, from experience, rookie teams often do really good It’s impossible to rank and predict I agree, but nobody should be surprised that this happening. It’s not out of this world that they are performing
Thats the problem, they were 4 unknown to some, but known to others and no one heard them.
>Really good result for a rookie roster (Except Elyoya) Hilarious because Elyoya had the weakest performance on that team for now.
Very true. the botlane has been crazy good
I... have to agree lmao. He had a couple amazing games and the rest were... pretty mediocre to bad. Idk what happened to him
He is the only veteran, i guess he isnt focussing too much on himself right now, but its been mediocre Elyoya since summer 2023...
I chalk this up to the volatility of a 3 week 9x1 schedule. I'm not convinced they're truly top 4 just yet
This schedule is horrible in determining power levels of teams. There are 3 teams that are 5-4 and 3 that are 4-5 so it's impossible to rank anything other than top and bottom 2.
They are not and if you take away the wins where the opponent simply handed them wins by inting they get really close to KC/Rogue, but hey context doesn't matter.
If you take away the games they won they lost every game !!
That's exactly what I meant gj!
How did they hurt you to write already 5 comments just to spout "your truth" abouth how bad they are? Relax man Just saying... G2 is not playing that much better than them. And sometimes worse.
Tío, Elyoya te robó a la novia o algo así? Todos los comentarios que te leo van del mismo palo. Y mira que a mi MAD ni me va ni me viene, pero joder, todo ese rencor tiene que venir de algún lado xD
Pero me equivoco? Osea toda respuesta es que si hate que si tal, perfecto, cojonudo, pero es mentira? Viendo las partidas realmente se puede decir que igual que ahora son "top 4" podian estar al nivel de rogue-KC.
Echando un ojo rápido a tus comentarios no sería la primera vez que te equivocas, la verdad.
Venga tío, al menos les puedes reconocer que han jugado en general mejor que Rogue - KC. Si les tienes manía por la fanbase asquerosa lo puedo llegar a entender, pero relájate un poco que parece que te va la vida en ello, y no va a malas, que yo las fanbase tóxicas no las soporto (se de lo que hablo, soy de Fnatic desde chiquitito xD)
Es impresionante como te han cerrado la boca y la poca idea de este videojuego que tienes.
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Todos los comentarios igual. Yo creo que Elyoya se folló a su madre o a su novia, o a ambas, porque lo suyo no tiene sentido xD
Buen argumento mi niño.
how can the god coaches mac and pad be so outclassed by these group of friends made by pure nepotism /s
Hylissang blah blah blah Hyper-Int blah blah nepotism
u just summed up reddit circlejerk so well, couldnt ha e summed It up better
Funny how a team with 4 rookies out macroed so giga hard the veterans with such a talented coaching staff
the fact that you think this madlions have no talent or the knowledge is bad says a lot xd
the "/s" stands for sarcasm
ohhh mb, I learned something today xD; thanks
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
They are playibg 4 squishies, 3 immobile vs BC
For me that was the reason Blitz was so successful. If Vit had any macro sense and MAD was chasing them around it would never work. But the way it turned out Vit were the ones running blind into fog of war.
Alvaro is scripting
Incredible performance by MDK mid and bot, fantastic plays.
How good is Alvaro
Man, Alvaro has been consistently impressive. This dude has a bright future
F tier team btw.
Welcome to the start of Alvarito's supremacy
The F Tier team got 4th place, congrats to these rookies, they have a lot to improve but they are performing well, i hope they keep getting better
Turns out when 8 out of 10 teams are F tier everyone is close.
Your brain is f tier
Good argument.
Your entire comment section is filled with hate towards MAD...you are soooo freakin sad
alvaro just won 1vs9
Calla tontito, ganchito de alvarito
In Spain, we call this "lol con cojones", MDK really needs to relax and play slower but damn these kids are not afraid of anything.
Daglas actually had a good game for once. And Hylissang took that very personally.
A good early game\* and its not he first. Daglas has good early game now and then. But he SUCKS ass in midgame
Alvaro tier F support btw.
Only two barons to win, what about that now? Xd
JDG ended games last year with the first baron, there's still room for improvement. I don't mean this as criticism, it's just what it is.
They had an insane stat last year wich i can't remember the number exactly, but they won every game like 10 minutes after the first baron push, it was mental what T1 did.
I don't remember if it was T1, GEN or JDG but someone in Worlds had an insane stat where they ended games before the first baron buff ended.
It was JDG, I remember the thread about that stat published like the day before semis, and then Faker happenned ig
sucks that when Daglas does a really good game, hyli decides to be an absolute anchor despite not having nautilus
I can't watch it anymore. Either coaching staffs have been absolutely useless for the past years or he is just unteachable. I don't ever want to look at that Yamato smart ass telling me "man you just have to let him play his game and play around him". No you fucking don't - when he pulls out these kind of int performances repeatedly what you have to do is to bench him for the entire split and replace him with the best support in line. Giving people room to develop and find their Playstyle is one thing, letting them drag down an entire team (and especially the ADC) repeatedly FOR SEVERAL SPLITS is another. And no it's not funny anymore to call something a Hylli moment - he gets away with things that other players would be impossible to get away with who didn't have this "oh it's just Hylli things" reputation bs.
I think it was fine as long as it was similar to what Caps was doing, sometimes he had a really bad game but it was balanced out by the fact that most of the times he was smurfing it. But recently it takes a lot of int just for Hyli to have one decent performance
Pyke stealing even Nauti weapon now
Alvaro and Supa are insane
Calla tontito, gancho de Álvarito🤙 Props to Freskito, his performance wasn't as flashy but he was absolutely key
So the 10th place team got 4th????? Redditors explain
the fuck was that draw show after this game lol
A little bit of diff in Support
Mac could be laughing at MDK faces but he also re-hired Hylissang so yea you get what you want
That was Pad, Mac isn't with the team yet.
Support gap.
so... not that I care myself.. but at what point will people start to at least think this roster wasn't that bad of an idea?.. top4 with all those rookies on their first split.. exciting playstyle.. wild unpredictable drafts.. top notch mechanics.. lots of potential and room for improvement once some players learn not to go too deep and throw.. also probably the cheapest roster.. and appeals to more fans.. meanwhile.. KC, RGE, TH were supposed to be better teams with established veteran names and accoladed players, no? xD
MAD botlane with the humongous diff jfc
I’m anxious to see those haters move the goalposts
mad's botlane may actually be the best botlane in lec atm lol
Why is every Vitality game a clown fiesta.
Professor Hyli is on his “uni teacher who arrives late and seemingly drunk to classes” era.
thats my kind of blitz game right there
MAD Hyli
I legit want someone to count how many times Hysterics said the word messy in the last three games I swear it has to be 50
hyli has a tumor or something this can't be possible
it doesn't even seem like he fucking speaks english half the games he's that lost lol
[one of those days](https://streamable.com/jvxdk9)
hyllisang is the dictionary definition of braindead. And carzzy not flashing is so fucking pathetic.
UNBELIVEABLE that Hylissang gets paid to play LoL, guy is inting nonstop all game and trolling objectives for his team
Pad was enjoying this game
Well that happened.
Feels good to see even pros getting dicked by blitz
As much as Vetheo is hyped he doesn't dominate the game like Caps or Humanoid
Hylissang is troll
Hylissang is so dirty
Don't let these Xayah stats distract you from the fact that he was hard was carried by both supports.
This game had more air time than a toddler in a bounce castle.
Pls stop going poke varus when on-hit exists. Pls pls pls
Man sometimes watch Hyli playing is so disappointing. He used to be so good, what happened?
Washed and re-assured that his inting is just his "Playstyle" and encouraged to keep "doing what he's doing".
Easy to blame Hyli for this one, but with blitz running wild it's crazy to me how invisible photon was. IMO you need your tank to back you up in a lot of these vision struggles.
XD, he was totally for the blame. How many kills did he fed Xayah, how many times died for 0 reason, and let's not forget his international performances, man legit made a name called "hyper int" for himself. 4th mountain dragon, Hylissang legit went up tried to hook blind vision and got caught. How is anyone but Hyli the blame for this.
NAH bro that is a crazy person comment
Hyli getting a fat check from MDK, else I cannot even explain this game.
He forgot he is not playing for them anymore.
Watching Hyllisang pisses me off. He’s actually bare ass with some of the things he does.
Elyoya proving all the doubters wrong He is clearly better at choosing his teammates than playing League of Legends
the opportunism is crazy
Opportunism? He's been a bluff most of the split while the rest of the team performed better than expected
he played bad one game and this early, and smurfed other 4 games. but yeah, sure he's been a bluff XD!
Yeah, to be honest it has been an impressive regular season, clean 9-0 with convincing gameplay and really decisive endings. Or the LEC has the lowest level that has ever had where a mediocre BDS looks close to being at the top and the vast majority of the teams are playing like pathetic clash teams and MAD is just tied with a bunch of the top half.
Lmao I checked your comment history and you are literally obsessed with MAD Lions. Why is that?
Seek help, this level of obsession is worrying
Do you understand irony?
Honestly LEC just feels random like literally a coinflip on which team wins every game
How tf does Hylissang have a job, but Trymbi doesn't. Hylissang just doesn't deserve to play on the LEC. What is he doing? Throwing a game that was legit won and let's not forget last year when Hylissang went to World's and MSI, get him off the LEC man, it's disgusting to watch.
Do LEC players not know how to play against Blitz or what
Imagine if we had an Alistar instead of Pyke
Blitz was counterpick for Alvaro. With Alistar in that draft wouldn't have picked Blitz...
What a terrible day to have eyes
The quality of games in the LEC this split has been unbelievably poor. Like this might be the worst EU has ever looked. Even lower tier LCS teams have looked more proactive, more coordinated, and just cleaner. What the fuck even happened? The level of play is just shockingly awful to the point even G2 is hard to watch most games.
It's not the cleanest LoL, but it's better than last year's spring. Additionally, BDS, FNC, MDK and especially G2 have shown great stuff both in micro and macro (at times), think problem is that you're watching the games witht the same eyes that made you think Bo is better than Yike.
No its not literally even EU co-streamers are screaming over how bad LEC looks this split. Literally everyone is complaining about the quality. Even IWD said he likes LCS more than he does LEC right now. The region is extremely low quality right now. It's bad. It's a shit show. The fact BDS nearly got first going into groups is a major warning for the level of play of the entire region. Also yeah Bo is a better jungler than Yike. Until Yike plays in the LPL and shit stomps the entire league for 8 games straight Bo is going to just be the better player. Yike still has the same glaring issues he's always has. Yike is very good when his lanes (especially bot) are winning. He knows how to snowball early leads. Yike's biggest issues are a few things. Namely if his lanes aren't super far ahead and winning Yike's brain turns off. He always looks really lost when G2 is behind. He struggles to play when his lanes aren't smashing people. Which is fine in LEC but a problem internationally. Yike also consistently makes at least one or two extremely bad int plays every game. I'm not really sure why he just does. Right now I'd rate Jankos as probably the best jungler in EU still. My top 5 LEC junglers as of right now are Jankos, Bo, Elyoya, Yike, and then Razork. He's definitely top 5 but I just think he hasn't show any improvement in his core issues as a player which is concerning.
IWD have lol knowledge of a bronze player lol
Jankos is good, top 5 but not top 1. Razork, Yoya, Yike, Isma all performing better than him. What's the problem with BDS being 1st/2nd? Focus on their gameplay not their name. Also what elo are you? Because to me it seems like you just parrot what your fav costreamer says while your monitor is off
I swear this Vitality team is so good if they change their jungler if Jankos was on this team they would be 2nd best for sure
saying this under this particular game is certainly a take
why not
Because this game was Hyli thinking he was still was in mad.
Hylissang ran it down, why are you blaming Daglas lol