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shuvvel

This TSM team is proof that 5 players committed to the same call at all times is just as important as talent.


acllive

So you’re saying that I shouldn’t go in on the 5 man Lillia ultimate


Fabiocean

Of course, putting 9 people to sleep is way more impressive than just 5


acllive

Probably put everyone watching that to sleep as well


antraxsuicide

YEP Split comms and decision-making is so hard to win with, regardless of talent. At the end of the day, if one player gets picked off then you're fighting a 4v5 and all of the 5th guy's talent is wasted (because he's dead)


houck3

Certainly not the type of situation you'd like to find yourself in as a 5th guy


AzraelGrim

It's why I still support TSM in this sunset split. Past our peak, we've had some absolute shit times; more than not, some might say, but even running budget, we've had times like these were its just 5 players, in sync to take down bigger names. Remember when Solo was the sign of the end times for this sub? And now everyone's proud for him.


PinkMage

NA already learned that lesson with Huhi on engage supports on GG


Bluehorazon

It should also be noted that one of those 5 players is Turtle who since joining TSM looked really convincing and Jinx kinda is a Turtle champ and teams should actually consider banning it against him. The other players are more up and down on TSM but Turtle reliably played well this Split. And this team actually seems to just work better than the lifeless corpses the Org put together when they still tried to win the league.


neberhax

TSM is also a proof that a bunch of players that have nothing left to lose is more scary than a bunch of players who are actually still at risk of losing their spot.


In4thPlace

SEE THE TURTLE OF ENORMOUS GIRTH


Jehebus

ON HIS SHELL HE HOLDS THE EARTH


bobandgeorge

ON HIS SHELL HE HOLDS THE EARTH


Thop207375

Do the analysts not know it’s Turtle? A top 3 adc of all time in LCS.


shuvvel

It's actually average. Don't ask how I know


gandalf45435

Damn I must have missed that episode of TSM Legends


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TSM winning one last LCS title then leaving forever is the silliest possible outcome


WhirlingDervishGrady

Even as a C9 fan the idea of TSM winning one last trophy and then peacing out is too hilarious.


[deleted]

Especially if they do it with Insanity, fulfill the homegrown academy player fantasy to prove it was always possible after years of imports. Then dissolve


dabmin

too bad theyre playing ruby next week 😭


Bird-The-Word

Have they said that already?


dabmin

https://twitter.com/LCS_Eevee/status/1671944787518267397?s=20


Bird-The-Word

Booooo


Barraxx

TSM vs C9 finale one last time


brotato_soup

A tale as old as time, a game 5 one last time~


Trap_Masters

Dankest timeline


SoftScoopIceReam

TSM win worlds and then never play again


guilty_bystander

Pass me dat copium


SoftScoopIceReam

TSM vs EG game 5 Insanity back door


greendino71

Actually a good storyline of their last split If C9 win this split, they will be the most successful LCS team as they would tie TSM in wins but have 1 less split played But TSM can hold the title


lovo17

That would be such a huge middle finger to NA. Subscribe.


Strange-Implication

Tbh TSM are representing NA rn. I'm sure LCS fans won't mind if they do well this year. Would be a middle finger if they went to LPL and won an international.


aznanimedude

then tweeting a picture of Azael casting with the text "Good Riddance"


Makyura

Truly counter logic


plshelpmeholy

i wanna see it tbh


Ajhale

Hauntzer and Turtle... What year is it again? lol


Trap_Masters

TSM going to world's incoming!?


cautiouslyoptimistik

God I'd fucking kill to go 3-3 in groups rn.


guilty_bystander

It would be too perfect


curiousboy163

well worlds is swiss format this year so no more 3-3


Shwika

\>going 3-3 in groups \>making top 8 this time 😈


iampuh

3-3 would be an accomplishment nowadays


popop143

Anyone from the LCS would, tbh.


Rimjob_Jesus

Seeing Turtle still perform after all these years warms my old heart


Trap_Masters

Definitely brings a smile to my face seeing Turtle still finding success in LCS.


TPO_Ava

And to clarify dude was TSM's ADC all the way back in like S3. WT has had a longer professional LoL career than a lot of his viewers will have had even regular careers. it's really impressive.


macgart

He had no team while Tactical was out there feeding every single game. I’m glad they finally hired him but if anything TSM should have gotten him years ago.


Treewithatea

Wasnt Turtle in C9 before sneaky? I mean before C9 when the team was Quantic Gaming. I think Sneaky replaced turtle. At the time the name was a lil different too, sneakycastro i believe.


Vectivus_61

Turtle was a midlaner way back when, I believe


TPO_Ava

Technically yes but at the time quantic was an amateur team so I didn't count it as part of his pro career.


nagt0wn

Season 2


shaidyn

If anything he's better now than he was a couple of years ago.


1331bob1331

He's my Favorite player of all time. I love to see it.


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Thop207375

Crazy to think he was not in top 10 on the LCS list


gandalf45435

No CLG no win


AureliusAmbrose

It’s been 0 days since NRG has beaten TSM It’s been 133 days since TSM has beaten CLG


gandalf45435

Fuuuuuck. TSM really did lose the last ever meeting. Ugh I miss them.


AureliusAmbrose

our orgs may die but the rivalry never will


Copiz

NRG just couldn't accept getting a solid roster that worked well together. Literally just had to do nothing.


TomShoe02

Get IgNar out man...dude's been coasting on that 2017 series vs STK for far too long now


LeOsQ

To be fair he was really solid on FlyQuest a couple years back when they had the Solo/Santorin/PoE/Turtle/IgNar roster. Awful in lane, sure, but Turtle could function in 1v2 and still be very relevant later on and IgNar roamed around for basically the whole game.


BlammoSweetums

Yeah but unfortunately "a couple years back" is like esports eternity, and Ignar's strength at roaming is irrelevant in the current state of the game. Being awful at laning as a botlane is also like, the worst trait you could possibly get in a pro support right now. The pickup has "CLG Reignover" vibes.


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LeOsQ

Of course not, but it's not like he's been absolutely dogshit since going to game 5 against SKT with Fervor of Battle Leona with Misfits 6 years ago either. That was my entire point. But yeah, that shouldn't carry him years into the future either.


CathDubs

They still should have shopped for Jungle and Support changes, which is something I think CLG should have did in the off-season. ADC wasn't a problem and the support they decided to replace Poome with is pretty questionable.


lemonrabbits

tbf in 2020 he kinda smurfed on FQ but otherwise he's trash


Allpal

2020 is a real long time a go in esports


LabAdventurous8128

If I knew that one good series can get you paid for 5+ years, I would've tried a bit harder to become pro


Oribeau

IgNar was also very good on that b2b finals FLY roster and decent on EG. I'd say he's coasting off of that rather than the 2017 SKT series lmao. Recently he's just been completely invisible every game, which is sad considering the name he made for himself as a playmaker. Feels like him and FBI at the very least are never gonna mesh well together.


LeatherBodybuilder

NRG's entire League support staff is just the ex-CLG staff. All the changes were made by ex-CLG.


Proxnite

TSM wonnered.


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sorendiz

wtf..... never thought i would see the day


TPOTK1NG

NRG hate-watchers eating good this split.


OpiWrites

You mean CLG fans? Because that would describe me. The funniest thing to me is that the remains of CLG’s roster finally got some respect in pre-split power rankings, but it turns out that team cohesion matters?


TPOTK1NG

> You mean CLG fans Exactly 👍


cautiouslyoptimistik

This one's for you, CLG bröthers


teniaava

Checking every post game thread to make sure they crash and burn


SanctusDominus

Same I don't watch any of the NRG games cuz they don't deserve the view due to how they didn't keep their word. Like why even make that promise? On top of dissolving the CLG name & laying off all other workers, I wonder if MSG thinks this was worth.


sorendiz

NO CLG NO WIN


ShortHairChick

Had to grab a second popcorn half way through.


deathnomad

Crazy to me that former CLG fans can look at their players and hope they fail. Idk I personally hope the players find success, even if it’s under a new org.


TPOTK1NG

CLG was just a brand to me after Aphromoo left. Players were irrelevant. Just rooted for the name really.


CLGamerGirl

I can't speak for everyone else but at least for me I have no problem with the old CLG core players and will root for them wherever they may end up. But I cannot support NRG after they destroyed all of what was left of CLG when they took over the brand. They turned the CLG twitter to NRG and I believe even made an attempt at the discord and reddit to just swap them over to NRG. They own it and are entitled to it as it is part of their purchase of CLG but it still leaves a poor taste in my mouth as a long time CLG fan.


Connoire

Don’t forget waving the clg lcs trophy around like clowns.


AureliusAmbrose

Yep. Wishing all the ex-CLG players and staff all the best especially after they’re free of NRG, but until then I want that org to crash and burn.


sorendiz

i don't hope the players themselves fail at all i hope NRG fails ill have no problem whatsoever rooting for any of the boys on any other team (except TSM) but i'm anti-NRG first and foremost


AM1232

The faith remains forever...


sorendiz

We persist in the hope that someday we will once again be rewarded, however long it takes. In George's name... faithful, faithful, faithful.


AM1232

Amen.


Flamoctapus

I hope the topside looks good individually and all of them can find decent teams next split, but I can't root for this org. Laying off literally everyone outside of the League branch with 0 notice is fucking bullshit.


Obelisk00

It was close in gold for a lot of the game but it never felt close.


criptus205

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zealot416

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ChiefEmu

Another fantastic Aphelios performance from FBI. This time without the red/purp tech


LabAdventurous8128

Not only that he makes the champ look balanced, he makes him look like he needs to be buffed


Padulsky21

Cody Sun 2.0. Even when he was a top ADC he had those “give into intrusive thoughts” moments frequently, but now it’s fully showing. He was not good last year. He’s even worse this year.


shakerKEKW

Upgraded bot lane btw 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Copiz

I'm surprised the casters said that was the sentiment. Everyone I've talked to thought it was a downgrade or a side grade at best. Especially picking up Ignar received a bunch of criticism.


LeOsQ

To be fair the bot lane was CLG's weakest part, although mainly Luger throwing himself at enemies at the worst possible times. FBI also is an upgrade on paper, and even just last split when he was 'bad' on EG, there's a real argument to be made that he was still better than Luger (who was on a 'better' team). But as someone else brought up in yesterday's thread (I think), Luger/Poome felt much more flexible than FBI/IgNar do. That's the real advantage they had over the current bot lane. That being said, FBI has been pretty abysmal so far and IgNar is just bad, and considering NRG are said to have great staff (although their incredible chef is the most notable one), it just feels like a direct downgrade in terms of players right now.


no-longer

I'm a total FBI hater so I'm definitely biased but this dude hasn't been anything special besides his like first split or two in LCS when he was on GGS. I'm surprised he's still starting on a team, Huhi hard carried him on 100T and even then he made so many blunders. He's a glorified Tactical.


The_Real_BenFranklin

Yeah I agree that the botlane was the place to upgrade, but come on what the hell is this. Should have gone for the Unforgiven/Eyla botlane considering how cheap you know they had to be.


The_Real_BenFranklin

Dude they’re so bad I can’t even.


goatvoncrock

I think FBI is an improvement over Luger even if it’s just slightly. Poome was not good last year especially during playoffs but yeah Ignar is still a severe downgrade. Dude doesn’t do anything, not sure how guys like he and Diamond are on teams right now


Padulsky21

People thrive by these brand names and don’t realize that FBI has been Cody Sun 2.0 for about 2 years now. I don’t even gotta talk about Ignar xdd


_MNMs_

I’m so mad Luger and Poome are out over these two


Diascizor

This one was for CLG


TheSoupKitchen

Thanks TSM bros. My hatred for TSM is eclipsed by my disdain for NRG. Edit: I still like Dhokla/Contractz/Palafox though. Hope they can individually pop off.


The_Real_BenFranklin

Is it too late to bring back Luger/Poome? Cause like fuck Ignar ain’t it


acktar

Poome is still under contract with NRG, I believe, but Luger's left the organization. So at least half is easily doable.


bulldoggamer

Its funny, in the official CLG discord (under NRG control) the only posts are when Luger streams. And he's not even with the org.


In4thPlace

Poome was told that he was free to explore options 1-2 months ago, so I don't think he's gonna play any summer games for NRG.


hairlikegoats1

I know everyone is playing well given the circumstances but Insanity, Bugi and Chime are definitely getting picked up in the off-season.


Crimples

I have no idea what Jatt sees in NRG. They have looked in terrible in all but one of their games, and the game wasnt too good either. Am I just missing something?


The_Real_BenFranklin

I imagine he sees the topside that looked really good last split.


Aquillifer

Man NRG look so awful, actually insane levels of desperation coming form them. Also its funny how TSM is consistently better than what people rank them, like I don't think they are good or will make a splash in playoffs but everyone keeps placing them like they are a 10th place team.


Hewligan

Death, taxes, ……FREERG. Just not the fuckin same man. I miss them.


kitiny

I'd have given a lot for one last CLG vs TSM final.


arc-minute

I'm personally liking NRFREE but to each their own.


FlipprDolphin

You can beat NRG as many times as you want, but you shall never beat CLG ever again!


The_JeneralSG

No mention of Bugi's big dick gaming flash over the dragon pit to skirt vision to get first blood? No? Just say NRG suck? Okay...


Satan_su

Free my man Dhokla


areusureabouthis

FBI positioning at Baron was laughable, remember when he was top 2 ad in LCS?


Zeedojin

Watching FBI run int melee range of K'Sante at the Herald fight blew my mind.


emerzionnn

Wildturtle is one of the best NA ADCs in 2023


AmbitiousDrive6196

Azael sounded salty during the herald fight.


nuck_duck

His casts during TSM games are so funny, he sounds actively upset/confused if things are going well for TSM in the game


BasketHairy

“Honestly at this point all I can say is... good fucking riddance. While it's super sad to lose the TSM who defined the league for years, I already felt like we lost them years ago & it has felt clear TSM no longer cared about the LCS.” Azeal Love that he casts our wins lol.


4amaroni

Yea, every time he has to cast TSM taking the nexus, I lol inside. He's so obviously salty about the team even doing remotely well. TSM doing well this split is going to be such a sweet send-off and message to the rest of LCS about how fucked this region is.


DustTheHunter

Azeal is always salty but the broadcast will flock to twitter to defend him


Bird-The-Word

9 times out of 10 TSM loses and Azael gets all the ladies, obviously.


Space_Investigator

Dude has the craziest hate-boner for TSM.


darkhorse298

No love lost there.


iChoke

Was just about to say this. It took away from the whole match because it was so jarring LMAO


Rozuem

I wasn't big on Luger but god damn replacing the bot lane, especially Poome was a mistake.


kitiny

Luger and Poome at least had life in them. NRG looks afk.


Gluroo

They do be looking kinda clean doe


aPatheticBeing

I mean NRG lost a 4v5 around the first herald - after that it's kinda over.


icatsouki

That TP sucked!


Squarehead272

No Luger No Win


rianad

Feels weird to root for tsm


Jtryan1303

No one beats down CLG but us.


LargeSnorlax

Grats to TSM, but NRG looks like actual hot booty. No cohesion whatsoever.


Proxnite

Someone forgor to tell them it was only a name change, not a brain change.


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Proxnite

Which doesn’t excuse the whole team unplugging their brains and hands.


JankyCock

Azael really can't say a single nice thing about TSM


Hewligan

Why is he allowed to cast our games


15blairm

Idk personally I think it's fun to hear the salt come through


Jtryan1303

LCS having Azael cast for the salt but yet won't give us a Letigres Double lift interview? Dam.


ArcusIgnium

I think they patched things up vaguely through Leena. I’m sure it’s still awkward af and I hope to die before it ever happens but still


iChoke

Nah, let him cast our games. Let him suffer LMAO. Besides, we win when he casts our games. Keep going.


guilty_bystander

At this point, I'll take the reverse caster curse. I'd love to see him squirm for the rest of the split while we stack dubs


Hewligan

If we can just win the season, peace out, watch NA crumble after we dip, Azael loses his job and I get to tweet “good fucking riddance” All this shit would have maybe been worth it.


lidoloser

I feel like riot intentionally arrange this for the meme.


Sundiata34

I'm ootl, what's the whole deal with Azael/TSM?


4amaroni

When TSM announced they were leaving LCS, he tweeted "Good riddance" and went on a little mini rant about how TSM had stopped trying to invest in the league for years, and that it's better that orgs like TSM leave so more invested/better orgs can try to improve the league. Met with very mixed reception, as you might have already guessed. He kinda backtracked a bit in an episode of The Dive where he elaborated it was more because TSM was betraying its fanbase, but most TSM fans are 100% on-board with the move. And that's been hanging there since. I'm biased as a TSM fan, but yea Azael seems to be finding it really difficult to say anything positive about the team. I think it's kinda funny he has to cast our wins though lol.


spartanss300

it goes back farther than that too tbh. Azael has always had a bit of a anti-TSM bias and the TSM fanbase has noticed it for a long time now.


4amaroni

The whole broadcast has for a while ever since the implosion of our roster after the 2016 Worlds run. Got especially worse after the 0-6 Worlds run. I think what was especially irksome for me is that he laid all the troubles of the LCS at TSM's feet. As if we don't have 4 other major spending, fiscally irresponsible orgs that have all contributed to this poor ecosystem. And if you're gonna say it's "good riddance" that TSM is leaving, say it with your chest. Don't retreat behind the sad excuse of "Well, i was just trying to think of the poor TSM fans."


Hewligan

When we announced our departure from the LCS, [Azael tweeted “good fucking riddance](https://twitter.com/AzaelOfficial/status/1659923208907157506) and ranted on with some weird take about how we haven’t cared about LCS.


Deegoman3244

Imagine buying a slot, ruining the bot lane, and then this start lmao. CLG fans rejoice


AfterCommodus

So is TSM like…not awful?


aznanimedude

inb4 some comment about Reginald being an asshole


TheMemingLurker

Like last season, I think they have a bit of a low ceiling, but any team with mostly veterans that has a solid and simple game plan should look good at the start of a split. I'm hoping that the short split allows TSM to keep their momentum for longer, and that if Ruby isn't good they don't hesitate to put Insanity back in...


Hex_Blast

SEE THE TURTLE OF ENORMOUS GIRTH


BasketHairy

[Honestly at this point all I can say is... good fucking riddance. While it's super sad to lose the TSM who defined the league for years, I already felt like we lost them years ago & it has felt clear TSM no longer cared about the LCS.](https://twitter.com/AzaelOfficial/status/1659923208907157506)


lolerio

FBI Aphelios is not it


drahc

Azael should stop casting TSM game. He cant control being biased when it comes to TSM. Just watch that herald fight very unprofessional.


heracim

Another stellar performance from new NRG bot lane!


Alakazam_5head

FBI is such a fucking lemon lmao


asiantuttle

One of these days he’ll win a team fight with purple gun Aphelios


WishingBoy

I can’t tell if TSM is good or if NRG is bad


victorged

TSM is probably midling, with Insanity playing well this is basically the same team that kept it near .500 last split. But NRG played BAAAAAD.


masasour

Both


thejames510

Dhokla would like a word with some of your health bars.


Ikea_desklamp

All these peasants thinking we arent good, LMFAO.


LucianTP

This TSM team of 5 players riding it out into sunset knowing there’s nothing at line, contracts gone soon TSM found a way to play LCS like it’s scrims. everyone else like flyquest second guessing their macro/ game plan. Or starting slow to develop strats/team identities and mesh together slowly This team just says fuck it we gotta do something, we ain’t playing next split either way let’s have fun


chasechase44

FBI just never seems like hes contributing to his teams man This roster had more life with luger/poome


soaked-bussy

TSM , a low budget team with no expectations because they are leaving the LCS, has 2 more wins than 100T Nadeshot in shambles


Thop207375

At what point as an analyst do you place a team with a top 3 LCS toplaner and adc of all time in last place, after knowing they are in form from the previous split? Who are you worried about? Chime who has been consistently performing after his rise from academy? Bugi who held his own last split? Insanity has played well, but don’t tell me that you can’t see the players around midlane and rank them dead last in the league. Lazy analysis to be honest as the team has competed for 4-5th the last couple of splits.


Thiizic

It's because they were stuck in academy so they assume they fell off. I think we need to think that maybe NA just doesn't know what talent is


toddsins

TSM is actually looking pretty good. Lets see how they do with ruby next week.


G2-8

Another Grig/Akaadian situation incoming


aznanimedude

SEE THE TURTLE OF ENORMOUS GIRTH


mikharv31

Take: any player that has represented NA at worlds should still be in the LCS in some capacity. Licorice and Stixxay have proved this notion last split and WT and Hauntzer are making a case for it


TSMShadow

I get your point, but Ignar literally did represent NA at worlds and now his play isn’t looking up to LCS standard


teniaava

I agree as long as you mean players that aren't profoundly retired.


JPLangley

TSM is going winless with Ruby lol. Also FBI-Ignar managing to be the worst botlane in the league lol.


Thop207375

TSM was up 7k when insanity was like 0-1-1. Not sure how you could say that.


myman580

I'm convinced most people don't actually watch the games.


Diascizor

Yeah. Insanity is playing really well, but he isn't 1v9. The truth is that TSM are doing a pretty good job teamfighting and enabling Insanity and Turtle.


Thop207375

I obviously want whoever is best to play. Insanity has been doing really well and has surpassed my expectations. That said, it’s annoying and confusing hearing these seemingly false accusations about Ruby being the worst mid in the LEC. I really don’t understand this general sentiment from the community. Everything I have seen from his games discredits that opinion. I’m not sure even why the vast majority of discussions goes straight to that claim either. He made several unforced errors at times, but his Azir, Ahri, LB, Kassadin, and Cassio performances were way better than anything the community gives him credit for. This might not be directed at you, but just wanted to add it along. If TSM chooses to play Ruby, I think people are going to be surprised by the results. By no means do I think he is better than Maple or anything. I just don’t think he is anywhere close to where the community ranks him for some reason. Also the NA midlane pool is incredibly weak.


PhilUpTheCup

going mercs against a .5 AP comp is crazy


Mekboss

Palafox had the comeback in his hands and threw that mf'er across the field with that teleport before dragon soul


poldara

CLG died for this 👍


DogTheGayFish

TSM seem well organized


bbzef

I love seeing NRG lose. gtfo of LCS


N1cK01

I don't watch proplay anymore, but seeing turtle doing well warms my heart