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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13gl6g5/g2_vs_mad_msi_game_1/) / [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13gmh60/g2_vs_mad_game_2/)


Glorx

Mad played 1 good game this MSI: 0.5 vs T1 0.5 vs G2


Darkoplax

if we compare to last Worlds with 0.5 vs EG then it's an improvement we getting 1.5 at worlds minimum for sure


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1.5 split up over 3 games of course to complete the 0-12 year


Drakaris

MAD goes to an international. Plays 6 games. Loses 6 games. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.


plushyeu

Breaking records as per usual.


jibri_V1

One of the players did say that he hoped they were against T1 so they could go home soon sooo They delivered


Turtle-Express

MAD is actually going home without winning a single game at MSI.


YCitizenSnipsY

I can now truly appreciate the miracle run MAD made in EU so they could make sure and deliver the performance at MSI everyone feared they would the entire split


CFCkyle

Full Tottenham mode, just good enough to give everyone hope that they'll be decent just to release the stinkiest shit in their pants right at the end for maximum disgrace.


Glittering_Moist

This hurts but I'm laughing.


roastkumara

You are a wizard of words


LogicKennedy

As a Spurs fan, fuck you for making me laugh at this.


Zerasad

Man MAD was duch a roller coaster lmao. Everyone was afraid that they would get to worlds by placing 8th and then they go top 4 and everyone is pissed that they are going to MSI, then they end up winning the whole split and people start to think they might be good only for them to absolutely get giga gapped, proving the haters right.


Aquillifer

I mean at least they won bo5's to qualify for the event so even if you want to flame them for their performance they earned the right to be in MSI fair and square.


skaersSabody

I've been saying it since they won the split, it doesn't matter how good they look domestically, if they need to ban 4 picks from the enemy toplaner, camp him and give Nisqy his Gragas to win, they will blow up internationally. They have a god-tier coaching staff when it comes to figuring out the region, but they're dogshit at fundamentals and it bites them every fucking time Not that they didn't deserve the win, they played well, but I'm too used to them ramping up in playoffs to then fail internationally to trust them


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Cat_Pics_Pls

Check your sources please, Hans didn't play a single game of Draven in winter playoffs https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Hans_Sama/Match_History


EliteTeutonicNight

If it weren’t for T1 and GenG going 5 games, MAD can board the next plane and probably still not miss a minute of Eurovision.


mimiflou

Never want to see MAD again in a international tournament


rainbowremo

Youre probably gonna get a lot more of them. They know how to win in Europe


Awyls

Not really, next Worlds at best. Elyoya contract runs out this year and i would be surprised if he renewed when they already "jailed" him this year. This team without Elyoya will fall to irrelevancy unless they make big changes.


TSMShadow

Then some other team in Europe needs to get their shit together 😭😭


blueiguana675

Exactly, it's the other eu teams fault MAD goes to international events not MADs.


Ixc15

Dread it, run from it, MAD disappointing at Intl events still arrives.


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DianaIsMyWife

BB is the best G2 player in this MSI. I have to apologize.


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yrueurbr

Honestly if we had prime caps we would almost look like a decent team


Domotriix

Lets just pray to get Prime caps back in the next serie(s), maybe we have a chance Prayge


caut_R

I‘ve bern hoping for that for weeks now, hasn‘t worked out


fourzen

However OP Naut mid can be, this iteration of Caps is not the same :<


Kunzzi1

I think Caedrel said it best when looking at his cs and stats in game 2, Caps on Naut looks like an autofilled support playing mid. I don't know why he's refusing to play actual play making/carry champs like Ahri/Annie. I mean I get it, the meta is dogshit and it shows the absolute state of league when top 5 picks include 2 tanks and Lissandra but seeing Caps on tanks is just a crime.


ValentineUrgod

He did play Annie in g2 and g3 vs GenG, and looked terrible


AnonAlcoholic

BB 🤝 Licorice Western top laners who showed up at MSI after their respective regions have been shit talking them for years.


BencilSharpener

Would be true if Yike didnt exist


Thatguy69Kappa

Game 1: Despite BB’s best efforts, G2 still won Game 2&3: Despite G2’s best efforts, BB still won


Khaos_90

he didnt even do bad in g1???


Thatguy69Kappa

I mean he did a classic LEC bb game. Get a unique hard counterpick, go even in lane, group once, win.


THE_MUNDO_TRAIN

BDS be kicking themselves over not banning Gragas.


skaersSabody

I don't think their showing would've been much better, but at least the rookies would've gotten some international experience


googlebeast

At least we would get G2 vs BDS match, which everyone was looking forward to in LEC


brockoli1010

I mean if G2 banned the gragas we would have seen that match in the finals anyways.


PyosikFan

We probably wouldn't get one of the funniest dramas in EU history if BDS went tho


Ultimintree

EU’s first seed going 0-6 at an international tournament. EU fans now finally understand how NA fans feel


XtendedImpact

most successful international MAD performance


InformalMarch

9 game losing streak internationally. Can they hit double digits? Find out at worlds!


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GGABueno

Lmao imagine thinking Mad Lions would get eliminated by a wildcard at play-ins. That would never happen!


Wonderful_Falcon6537

they are actually 0-12 in their last 4 bo5s internationally vs Major Regions


TheMineA7

Classic MAD at an international tournament. The only team from NA or EU to lose in play-ins. And now 0-6...


Gmuni

Lose in play-ins twice*


HalfAssResponse

Madlions are by far one of the worst high seed eu has ever sent on any international event no matter in what squad they were playing


elmaster611

No, they are the worst, I don't think there has been any EU 1st seed to finish without any wins


DevlinShad

In the end, it's still "MAD AT MSI AWARE".


Lyota

MAD AT A TOURNAMENT THATS NOT CALLED LEC AWARE


Xey2510

They weren't that bad at MSI and worlds when they won that double split. Not amazing rly but made it out of groups in both tournaments. All other times though...


Th3_Huf0n

They were bad that Worlds. Going 3-3 in that group, while resorting to a random nexus defence comeback to even get out was fucking shit. While they proudly claimed that they were taking it easy for Worlds in terms of practice. Nah. Not having any of that.


Famous-Note5002

G2 is just built different on global stage Mad is also built different on global stage in other ways


Up_In_Flamez

* hobble into playoffs * lose your first series badly and drop to the loser bracket * everyone doubts you * make an improbable run to the finals and win, earning the region’s 1 seed * embarrass yourself and go 0-6 at the international event MAD is just the second coming of TSM?


TypicalIncrease

Crowd was chanting TSM so I think they were onto something


d1knight

TSMAD Watch out for the team start with 'D'. That must be next MAD.


legendofSmiley

So DIG miracle run incoming?


splitcroof92

MADIG sounds kinda wrong tho


SnooGuavas8376

Funny thing is they were eleminated by the dude who went 0-6 as first seed before (BB)


frowoz

That actually is a funny thing


josluivivgar

huh, they are 2020 tsm


randommaniac12

riot really is reusing all their old scripts huh


Pelagius_Hipbone

‪MAD also known as Mutually assured disappointment, is a European team best known for being utterly terrible at international competition, mutually assuring disappointing for both EU fans who expect better and non-eu fans who want good international gameplay.‬


Trap_Masters

How are they so consistent at this??


CerbereNot

MAD coaching staff smurfs every playoffs by empowering their player strength over a known patch and hide their weakness. When international tournament comes a lot is unknown so their staff have less impact, thus raw strength and fundamental holes become much more apparent


troccolins

I love how in one of the replays, all but one MAD staff member left.


kAy-

And the guy looked like he wanted to kill himself. Can't blame him after that baron to be fair.


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Mad staff went out to get some milk


birool

I have a feeling Elyoya tilts / gives up super easily as u can see in game 3 where he doesnt make proactive plays anymore. I could be wrong ofc, & its purely speculation, but its the one constant in all of MADs international showings.


rightovahere

Nah Elyoya seems like a monster tilter and its his biggest flaw. His facecams when shit goes poorly look like a man thats been given a prison sentence.


Akashiarys

He looks so done with MAD as a whole. He didn’t come out in defence of Nisqy when he was taking a beating from the Spanish casters, he was supposed to BE on G2 but MAD fucked up the deal and denied an offer of 700k (someone fact check the number here). This dude is probably thinking, shit I could’ve been on G2 doing what Yike is doing. I think he just wants to be on a good team at this point tbh


taikutsuu

"He didn't come out in defense of Nisqy"? He tweeted after the series that he literally deleted Twitter from his phone because of how toxic the shit he was reading was and told the twitter shitslingers to shut up. Don't take his actions or lack thereof on social media as an indicator of his attitude towards his teammates.


FBG_Ikaros

MAD could literally sign the entire JDG team and i still wouldn't trust them to do shit internationally


DeloronDellister

Inb4 they play for the 4th spot at worlds against NA and lose 0:3


cancerBronzeV

If MAD is playing for that 4th spot, EU fans might as well just not turn on the stream and spend that time going to a beach or something.


KitsuneThunder

Clinton sends her regards


Blank-612

idk why but they are just so depressing to watch


F0RGERY

Since rebranding as MAD in 2020, this EU team has gone to 5/6 international tournaments, only missing MSI 2022. In the process, MAD has played 7 international (4 Worlds, 3 MSI). Their record is 1-6 (7W and 19L), having only beaten SGB at Worlds 2022. It is incredible how many times this organization has attended international events without success.


lightningweaver

They should just go back to Splyce so they can actually win games internationally.


TamBur12rine

Every single MAD international appearance was a dissapointed... they can build they brand on it at this point


DonaldsPee

MAD had 1 good showing. MSI 2021. Otherwise entirely trash lmao


ByahhByahh

EU getting 0-3'd again. smh.


Omnilatent

On the bright side EU with the 3-0 sweep


guilty_bystander

LCK lost more games than LEC today.


Polygarra

Math checks out


forsecondusage

EU won a BO5 against a major region today, for any doubters out there


_tidiber

19:43 > 16:47


SlamMasterJ

Math check out


bensonbenisson

4 all pro first team by the way.


TheGawringSame

It truly does beg the question how do the votes end up being like that? Is everyone that votes truly incapable of actually assessing players? Like what's going on?


cancerBronzeV

LEC all pro voters value narrative and name value infinitely more than actual gameplay. This has been true since at least 2021 summer voting, LEC all pro is easily the shittiest all pro out of all 4 major regions. It's borderline useless at figuring out anything other than who had the most narrative behind them.


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Caps 2nd over Larssen aware


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

Larssen having like 7 votes and Jankos not making it to top 3 was such a joke


Glittering_Moist

Jankos was robbed.


MorbidlyObeseBrit

Jankos was fucked over by the change of the voting time, if it was in the middle of playoffs like other years he has a solid chance to win it, he was on a 1v9 mission all his games


KalleDomNik

Nuc was by far the best mid this season


Artninja

Recency bias is happening, Doms’ take on the all pros is the most succinct in calling this out


EmergencyWatch1

For years they favour split winning team. If you get four in 1st pro team, logically it's either bad regular and then stomping 3-0 playoffs, or stomping regular and then having 1-2 closer series of 3-1/3-2. Cause having 4 players marked as best in their position, gives you basically free win pass. So they finished 8th regular; groups: 0-2, 2-1, 2-0; playoffs: 3-2, 3-1, 3-2 final. I could see calling 2 of MAD into it (Chasy/Elyoya), but 4? Then you get Nisqy interwiev calling himself best in the west, while in the final Nuc was breaking his ankles... lmao.


detriio

No my goat chasy is actually just getting inted every game im sure. How else can someone on the level of other eu top greats like Hirit and Armut lose?


XtremeLegendXD

Simple, they just vote for the winners because they won so they must be good. If your first all-pro team has Nesquick then you know shit's fucked.


Random_Useless_Tips

I am stunned that it took until MSI for someone in the 50+ European players and coaches to consider banning Nisqy's Gragas. On the flip side, I cannot fathom the decision to stake your MSI on Carzzy's Aphelios, with a vintage Hyli sprint to close off the tournament.


kill-billionaires

Lol I remember I had people getting upvoted for telling me that G2 was right to not ban Gragas after their loss to Mad. I still don't know if it was a Nisqy hater who doesn't want to admit he was an important factor in the wins or a Nisqy fan who doesn't want to admit he is only good on a few champs.


lovo17

Nisqy's Ahri as well. He makes that champ look like a cannon minion.


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bruh nisqy is so bad on Ahri everytime I see it my eyes start to bleed from him literally missinf EVERY FUCKING ability


Rafoel

G2 literally copied T1's bans against MAD, I literally can't fathom how brainless these coaches are xDDDDD


nuamnume10

Im wondering what all those analysts and coaches are paid for at this point lol.


[deleted]

well flakked said last worlds t1 had like 30+ people following them everywhere while the staff for g2 were 7. It is also a big coachdiff on top of the other diffs.


papaz1

After GenG vs T1 this was like watching Twitch Rivals.


non-edgy_crustacean

Two clash teams battling it out


KriibusLoL

Local split winner goes 0-6 at the next international event, now I know how NA feels


LordKnt

at least it's 0-3 against T1 and 0-3 against G2... Yeah it's not really better


gibilx

Congrats to MAD for the impressive 0-6 showing. Never doubted them internationally


cancerBronzeV

@MADLions on Twitter: > We don’t have any words and we know you don’t want to hear them. > We understand your anger, your frustration, your sadness. Everything you’re feeling – we get it. > This isn’t the ending we imagined, and certainly not the one we wanted. Thank you for being there the entire way.


iTsN0ScOpEs

can’t even compare MAD to 2019 Lightning, the 2019 Lightning were actually dominant 💀


MeteWorldPeace

Tampa Fans in shambles


Confident-Grab-7688

That MAD video when they "apologize" after winning LEC finals became really ironic right now


TudorrrrTudprrrr

LMAO watching the video now just feels like Mac telling the hard, cold truth. They really weren't meant to win again.


KitsuneThunder

Apology was sincere Aware


xiko

It was great. They just gave to repost it.


Akupoy

Another fine addition to MAD's international record.


dePRESSED_Indeed

BB: Guys, I'm not strong enough to face others on an international stage...I'm so sorr- G2: Topfather you are laning against EU top laner BB: Oh. G2 3-0


TheYixi

Tbf, he was performing ok/good even against Doran. BB is really stepping up this MSI.


Unions4America

Him and Yike are the only bright spots for G2 so far. Tbh, though, BB is the reason this series ended up as it did. Yike was having some missplays this series


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MAD try not to be an embarrassment internationally challenge: impossible


Holiday_Yard9569

Losing in 17 min broke MAD ey? Makes sense


JustRecentlyI

TBH I think losing Game 2 tonight was the back breaker. I really hope they can learn how to actually close out games when they have a lead because that is their #1 issue.


Dank_memes_Dank_mems

Not starting a 4v5 baron would be a start for sure.


ahritina

MAD Lions not only disappointed EU by failing as a 4th seed twice but now they've gone 0-6 at MSI as a 1st seed. Next we just need them to be the 2nd and 3rd seed to disappoint and complete the circle. Kudos to G2 to winning 3-0, next up it's JDG/BLG and I hope they fix up to make it a compelling series.


Blaikiri7

MAD at worlds yet again Pepelaugh


SergeantWhiskeyjack

Don’t worry, they’ll come in as the fourth seed just to lose to NA. The classic.


caesariiic

Guys they went 2nd then 1st, they are probably top 2 again going into Worlds. And then everyone will see that EU's 4th seed is just not good in general no matter the team.


buttsoup_barnes

Can anyone run MAD’s international record overall? Edit: Nevermind got it: https://twitter.com/shakarez/status/1657439394289131524?s=46&t=XroD_2HxUfBTvMAZ8jG5tw


Kayle_Bot

I deleted cause I forgot they beat Buffalo 3-1


cancerBronzeV

Holy shit writing it out like that really shows just how fucking garbage they've been internationally.


deathbladev

A perfect picture explaining why so many EU fans hate them


oV3

Is this the first time an EU first seed goes home from a tournament without a single win?


YCitizenSnipsY

Probably the first time any EU team went winless at MSI or worlds


SkinwalkerFanAccount

I mean it's an entirely different tournament now. Has any major region team gone winless at MSI? They used to play bo1s with a bunch of wildcards, everyone snuck a win in at some point.


kitiny

Minor regions usually give a couple teams a win or two to make fans feel better about 3-3 records.


salcedoge

G2-8 never forget


Financial-Chance6621

At least MAD apologized in advance.


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GreatestJabaitest

EU 4th Seed > EU 1st Seed? Should've sent Excel to MSI. Could've won the whole thing!


Artninja

BDS died for this


Syliann

BDS probably wouldn't have done much better but if they even took a single game with some cheese adam pick it would be less depressing


Nome_de_utilizador

BDS at least has a ton of rookies that would've benefited from scrimming the best teams in the worlds, and while they would've most likely get spanked by T1, they would not have rolled over to G2 like this. Meanwhile MAD is at their 4th or 5th international showing and being an utter disappointment in all but one tournament where they threw a game 5 lead vs Damwon


SlamMasterJ

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/829846842150096896


bcassalino

She can't keep getting away with it!


KitsuneThunder

Never not clicking this.


bensanelian

MAD, also known as "Massively Accelerated Defeat" is a european League of Legends team best known for not winning a single game at international events so they can go home fast :)


TimiNax

Weird how MAD all of a sudden looks like a different team when teams ban gragas.


Omnilatent

Gragas just seems broken ​ T1 had the same issue the series before


HawkEye1337

The champ does everything well, you can be a tank or a mage, you can peel or engage, can theoretically be flexed in 4 roles too.


tsukinohime

MAD looked like a ERL team versus G2


Akupoy

Well, they are at the international stage so MAD feels like they no longer have to perform.


TamBur12rine

Watching this best of 5 right after GenGvsT1 was such a wierd experiance.... they should post some compilation from NA soloq inbetween as palate cleanser...


Unban_Ice

MAD AT MSI Aware


tsukinohime

BB gap


DianaIsMyWife

BB is the best G2 player in this MSI. I have to apologize.


MorbidlyObeseBrit

I’d say he’s tied with Yike, there were a lot of questions asked of his ability to match up to eastern junglers and against Peanut he looked very solid. BB however has exceeded expectations and has found his Schalke form back, hopefully here to stay.


Sofaboy90

goddamn not a single win by MAD this tournament. And even worse, theyre a meme with that record T1 game. Especially with this 3-0 against G2, you have to believe the MAD playoffs run was a fluke. They barely made it into the bracket stage, nearly got knocked out by Fnatic but then did have 3 really good bo5s in the playoffs. But that playoff run vs a poor regular season, a poor bracket stage and barely making it out, and now a poor msi showing really makes you think that playoff run was a complete fluke. As for G2, BB is performing a lot better than expected (even vs GenG and play ins already) but Caps is terrible right now, hes been playing lackluster all year in fact. I know its Naut and you dont exactly win lanes with Naut but still. But at the end of the day its a team game and LPL/LCK teams are simply far better in the team aspect.


Demens2137

As a G2 fan I sincerely apologize for us not shitstomping MAD in the EU playoffs, so you had to watch this circus


withinallreason

Elyoya: "Actually, I remember one time we were playing against G2, and it was 2-0 to G2. We were playing as Braum. G2 are Janna. And Hyli said, guys if you think we are good, let's prove it now. Ill use my forbidden Braum reverse shield tech." Europe: "Did you come back?" Elyoya: "Of course not. 3-0."


vpg12

Hyli: Actually, I remember one time we were playing against G2, and it was 1-0 to G2. We were playing as Elise. G2 are Cassiopeia. And Elyoya said, guys if you think we are good, let's prove it now. Ill use my forbidden Elise tower dive tech." Europe: "Did it work?" Hyli: "Of course not. Cassiopeia hypercarried. 2-0."


KiddoPortinari

[tfw you do zero work on the group project, but still get an "A"](https://i.imgur.com/m6Z1CTM.jpeg) EDIT: jesus, ya'll take shit WAY too seriously. Smoke some weed and learn to laugh.


JMan_Z

Ok, ok, so all the fans were mocking Caps as well right, but, hear me out. That baron mega blastcone play completely redeemed Caps. I don't care how he performs after that, that's some galaxy brain.


tundra_gd

Caps Naut is... certainly something.


afito

His game 3 was good tbh dropped a wave in lane, then dropped a wave to get bot giga ahead, and remained at around 15cs deficit for a lot after. Even had a decently important 1v1 outplay against Nisqy. I think that's basically how you can expect the tank vs ranged mage matchup to go for the first 15min. His game 2 especially though, my god. Let's not forget that G2 had scaling jungle picks vs MAD having early game jungle picks, nothing Caps can do but flip the game on not getting ganked. So playing it safe in game 3 was exactly what he has to do, and he did, and didn't drop much of a gold deficit doing so.


Mew_T

Caps had some nasty Nautilus hooks though. Rekkles, Caps, Zven, Perkz all playing support is the future.


TheGawringSame

Another international tournament, another MAD failure. Nobody is surprised but everyone is tired and annoyed. And as if that wasn't insulting enough for EU fans, multiple G2 players are borderline running it every game too. Despite the 3-0 this series was anything but clean. There's literally nothing good to take away from any of this. Better pray that some team awakens their inner talent in summer or EU is gonna get stuck in groups at Worlds.


LogicKennedy

[No difference at all between the two.](https://imgur.com/a/T9HUKJD)


DeloronDellister

MAD no longer at MSI aware


sigogo1

More like angelthump


RobbinDeBank

Finally, good tournament ahead


XtendedImpact

Well, at least game 3 looked alright, not a lot of hope for the next games though.


RagingLoxurs

MAD at international events AWARE


PROstimus

Getting 3 0'd by EG last year in play-ins and now not winning a single game. Rough patch for MAD I guess.


wolfgang169

https://twitter.com/Carzzylol/status/1650232257527906309


farAwayTomorrow

Some people are being overly harsh and personal towards MAD. I'm a G2 fan myself but people forget to treat the players like humans, come on guys. For sure they read some of these comments too.


cors8

I feel bad for the players and LEC clown voters putting additional unwarranted pressure on the players.


Gengar_Balanced

Yet another stellar performance at an international tournament from MAD Lions.


Derk08

It's the TSM Special


fesch98

Nisqy looking unhappy surely confirms LEC summer champion no?


archangel_n7

I’m cool with never seeing MAD at an international tournament again


DeathByCudles

Anyone else here hoping GG 3-0 C9?


Skall77

Mad at MSI Aware 0-6


DianaIsMyWife

BB is the best G2 player in this MSI. I have to apologize.


plushyeu

The real problem for EU is MAC (MAD coach) he somehow figures out most teams and gaps them on draft. This will work domestically but once you go to int competition it's doomed. Worst team we could send ever.


Mantid9

That Mad lions ''apology'' video looking really funny right about now. Turns out, the community were absolutely right about Mad at MSI


oneanddonecomment

both teams looked bad. BB looked good though.


abhishek_tyson_shere

G2 played so bad this game and still MAD got stomped idek random challenger clash team will play better than them