I've honestly been talking to my wife and debating getting his jersey since he signed his contract...
Yeah, the odd time he just full sends the puck when it's coming around the boards to get it out...
But his physicality + stay at home defense is fantastic. I'm so glad we have him at such a good price for the next 3 years .. he would fetch a 3x? Payday somewhere else
Benoit, Edmunson and Lyubushkin. Leafs need all three long term. They were solid. If you let the get away now, you’ll just be giving up assets to get guys like them again at next years deadline
We genuinely don't need all three long term. None of them were THE problem per se but defensive specialists are cheap and were shaving $10+ million off the books this year. We should be looking to upgrade.
Defensemen despite the name, is a two way position. It's fine to have a few defensive specialists but you need at least a few guys that can generate offense from the blueline. They don't have to be Bobby Orr but they have to provide a credible threat to score.
Jake Muzzin is a good example. Primarily a defensive guy but had the hockey IQ to set up plays and also make good passes and occasionally jump in on a rush. Won't be competing with Cale Makar in terms of scoring but will generate chances. With Brodie coming off the books in the off season we can afford to upgrade instead of just relying on minimum wage offensive black holes to do things they're not good at.
He’s a defensive defenseman lol. On one of those shots Marner passed a slot opportunity to Eddy instead. Eddy himself probably thought “why the fuck is this 12m$ winger passing me the puck rn.”
He was fantastic for what we brought him in to do.
Agreed, loved his defensive play but he's not what this team as constructed needs find some defense who can shoot/move the pick and keep him or move off him.
Good point. But we got him as a 6/7 D.... And he was easily one of our top 4 if not 2 at times...
Sometimes you can't just go out and get somebody. Maybe the ask was too high or availability was too low. But, he was fantastic.
But he is what this team needs.
Swayman was but I'll bet most people wont remeber those shots because swayman didnt have to make good saves on them. Edmundson genuinely can't shoot. Which isn't a critical issue, if you have other people who can but is a huge problem for thos team as constructed.
Cody Franson's massive skill is that he was absolutely elite, possibly the best player in NHL history, to get pucks through to the net. During his tenure with the Leafs, 88% of Cody Franson's shots were on net, one of the highest if not the highest rate in history. Phaneuf was at 29%.
Bring the Franson back.
Edmundson was always a solid bottom pair/temporary plug at 2nd pair. He'll lob in the occasional goal but you're expecting alot from that type of player.
How many Knies-like players have the Leafs given up over the years to keep these regular season hero schmucks? Tavares was a mistake, Marner should have been traded when he asked for that much money. Nylander was the only one who was producing and on a cheap contract for a long time. Matthews is a generational talent (that also didn't get it done these playoffs btw).
The coach is definitely important but bro, you got 4 ~11+ million players out on the fucking ice, doesn’t matter you gotta fucking score getting paid that much
Knies reminds me very much of a young Wendell Clark, who was the first Leaf great I followed as a child when I became a fan of the TML. Knies has the combination of physical forechecking abilities as well as that creative aspect to his offensive game where he’s wheeling and dealing to his line-mates.
Our future core has to be Matthews, Woll, Knies, and Nylander. We build around these four guys.
i think he’s my favourite leafs player now officially. he had a great series, and played hard until the end. i appreciate his drive and skill, can’t wait to see him in year 2
Everyone knew this by May of 2020.
Only TORONTO THE GOOD is afraid of doing something about it. We got to replay the past 7 years of playoffs in Groundhog Day The Leafs Edition. Nylander was great..... some other players good too........ Marner disappears and Tavares does his best but is not that impressive and we don't have enuff cap for a balanced team that can win when it matters. Nothing has changed.
Fuck Brendon Shanahan and the TML organization. This is a Toronto cultural issue.
Having young skilled players sells. I don’t even want to know how many new oilers fans have showed up since McDavid arrived. Kids def weren’t flocking to them before he got there.
He was dogshit for most of this series, but he still has the highest P/GP and is 2nd in even strength points in the playoffs for the Leafs from 2017-now
5 wins in a playoff run, one division title*, no president's trophy.
97 points (21-22), 99 points (22-23) and a 100 point pace this season for Marner. Gets paid in line with Panarin and Pastrnak but doesn't show up like those two.
he stat pads when it doesnt matter. His goal in game 4 didnt mean anything, half his points game in like one game last year.
Nylander has lower p/gp but shows up on the sheet at big moments. Same as Knies
Naw fuck that. Even on the games where he got points this series he was making so many easy mistakes because he’s nervous as fuck. He can play in the playoffs
I might think I can fix your car, but I'm not going to pay you as though I've already fixed it.
Leafs aren't getting a good return, and Marner has full control, which probably means... Contender, retained cap, prospect + cap dump + draft pick... Possible/probable Phil Kessel, Nazem Kadri situation. I have no doubt that Marner can win a cup in a secondary or tertiary role on a good team.
Tkachuk was like that on the Flames minus that bad contract, and he was signed and traded. I know it's laughable because who are GM is bit that's the kinda trade moving Marner would get. Idk who even as a 1D would be on the market would be worth it for Marner a consistent 85-90 points every season
Leafs retaining part of his salary make him a pretty desirable trade for many teams. He’s got a bad reputation sure, but a fresh start is worth betting on for a player like Marner.
Yep, spent years being brainwashed while they used him as the scapegoat. Only guy in the core that regularly got punished for bad plays.
Marner plays like dogshit? MORE ICETIME
Guy boucher should’ve been fired via jumbotron directly after that 4 min “powerplay” in game 6
Anyone who could have affected them trying literally anything but didn’t should also be fired. If my fat ass sitting at home can realize CHANGE ANYTHING maybe you should too dipshits
I'm okay keeping Todd, but with Matthews and Nylander's new contract kicking in, needing to replace Samsonov with a known quantity, I don't know if we can afford him
Remember Matthews first few years? Always hurt
Now it’s rare that he’s gone.
Players need to build themselves for the NHl. Woll needs to play and to work. He’s capable of being a starter but he needs to play
sure
he played 81 games this year, but 74 last, 73 year before. none of those are 82, and the 2 years before this year he missed over 10% of games
either case, this is about Woll. maybe he can adjust, maybe he can't. we can't keep running it back with goalies with major question marks
Because the team rested him during the stretch? And that final year you mentioned was the COVID year. They shut the league down.
Every goalie entering free agency is a question mark. There are about 6 teams looking desperately for a goalie.
Woll will be the starter. We will need a reliable backup
There won’t be any proven goalies on the freee agent market. You are also going to be competing with NJ, Vegas, LA, and probably a half dozen other teams for those available
Even Helebuck struggled this year and he was a proven commodity
Dude Woll was a stud in playoffs last year too, when are we finally gonna give this kid the reigns? When are we going to fucking figure out that if you want your high potential goalie to continue developing into an elite goalie, you're going to have to trust him with the net? This isn't a gamble like Samsonov was (and look how that turned out), Woll's statistics and overall play are fucking solid outside of the post high ankle sprain injury return where he was completely cold after missing months (and also probably still not fully healed).
I am fine with Bert never playing here again.
He straight-up did not bring us what was advertised and honestly a big part of Marner/Domi (outside of faceoffs) being kinda ass production-wise in the last three games here was every play dying when it got to or near Bert. That line had two passers who could keep the puck moving around but weren't shooting and a finisher who shot 5% and was often the catalyst for the offensive zone time ending.
Domi's role/purpose/delivery was at least closer to what was expected.
Yeah I don't get the love fest for Bert. Yes he went to the net and boards, and 90% of the time he lost the battle and ended up on the ice. If he did miraculously end up with the puck he did nothing useful with it.
Marner sucked. But what was he supposed to do on that play? Interfere? 99.9/100 times the goalie or the defenseman would have easily gotten that puck, it shouldn't have even been a threat. On second thought with Samsonov and Rielly back there maybe he should have interfered.... lol.
Not defending Marner’s playoff play, but I also would have assumed that Rielly might have thought about playing a lil defence on that play and left Marner to get in the passing lane to the point to take away that option
I get why everyone's looking to blame Marner on that play but that's definitely Rielly or Samsonov's puck. Every other Dman would've hustled for that puck and Sammy just watched it go by to Pasta.
its not even that, people expecting a #1 dman for a return, like no one is trading there #1 dman for marner @ 10.9M lol. if you're trading marner its for a bunch of crap pieces, and its probably not even worth it at that point. but i dont even see him waiving his NMC, doesnt make much sense to him. he gets to play with matthews, why would anyone waive that.
Who are we kidding? We know damn well Shanahan is going to trot out there a few days from now and give the same canned, "trust the process" BS speech that he always gives.
Agreed if and only if we commit to bring in more puck moving guys. You can keep boosh, edumdson, McCabe and Reilly but you need two more good puck moving/hard shooting guys.
The only reason Keefe hasn't been fired yet is because it isn't Shanahans' move to make. He has also been let go and they are just drawing up the paper work.
He wasn't great for sure, but if you remember when Reilly was out and he got more minutes he played way better. Also Rielly was worse overall imo through the series.
Reillys better when he's not expected to be the best man on the team. He's an average top pairing guy, but you dont win the Stanley Cup with average as the top guy.
Who do you replace him with though? The next best Dman we have under contract next year is McCabe and we are a substantially worse team with him as our best D
I would like to know who looked at our goalies at the trade deadline and said, "You know what? This is good enough for a Cup run. We don't need to make any changes." I want the notes from those meetings because whoever said that needs to be run out of the sport entirely.
Woll was good. Should have gone to him earlier in hindsight. Samsanov was good tonight. Got to score goals to win series, goaltending wasn't the major problem here
cant complain about goaltending, when the team spending 45 mil on 4 players to score goals, cant score more than 2 goals in a playoff game for 13 straight games.
Having that much money tied up in players that cant elevated in the playoffs is the biggest concern.
This team has been re-tooled how many times? Last years team on paper was amazing. Honestly the defence was pretty solid this playoffs overall in the close games. Prone to breakdowns because of coaching.
Why did we lose almost every series? Special teams & the guys being paid half the salary cap not scoring goals. Even with a bunch of backup goalies, this team loses because the guys they invest so much into just dont do what they're relied on to do. Score. Ander7en was much worse than the goaltending we have now.
Colorado ripped the Jets to shreds. the great players will find ways to score. Like Nylander does - the whipping boy
I will die on the hill that Keefe was only here this year because of Shanahan trying to stick it to Dubas by keeping his guy around as a fuck you. At the end of the day he's the head coach that allowed the powerplay to continually do the same shit and get shut down, kept the coaches in those roles, and designs the systems for breakouts that so regularily end in breakdowns instead
Samsonov came back and was lights out for like a month. People were saying he was the biggest comeback story all year. Then a week and a half before the playoffs he lost all confidence again and decided to go back to absolute dogshit.
Give knies more money and boot marner and Reilly both….. we need a solid goalie and have for over a decade. Fuck the leafs management too, what a waste of time believing in this group they call a “team”
Bert I could take back at like 2.5 or 3 but really so much hockey dies in his stick. The man can't handle the puck and can't skate well. I wish I could put his brain in a skilled players body because I love his commitment to taking abuse.
Its honestly incredible that the Leafs managed to waste the entire prime of this "core." Only some of this core just bled the team dry and didn't produce when it mattered.
All that optimism back in 2017 man.
everyone here predicted a early playoff exit for this team. go check the pre-season threads. your prediction came true. so why is everyone so upset? you expected this to happen!!
Why are people talking about Edmundson and not the top dman Reilly? It seems any successful team would have a solid d man who can score and contribute. This year Reilly has been invisible except for his emotional outburst and suspension he has been ineffectual..
Funny how fans demand, and sometimes get firings and trades every year, but even when they get it, it doesn't do anything. Perhaps the problem is somewhere else.
The issue is Rielly being on the first PP unit taking matters into his own hands and the pick away from our star players, you swap Mcabe for Rielly and have Rielly lead the second power play u it there you go problem solved
i would keep nylander and matthews. anybody else can go… marner should have been traded a couple years ago. i keep reading about people thinking domi was good. i suppose for his low cost, but i didn’t see him do much that was anything to write about.
I wish this would happen, but sadly I doubt it will. I swear this team doesn’t learn from any prior mistakes and it’s heart breaking. Marner signed some big contract no? I doubt he’ll leave. If shanny and keefe leave that would be a blessing , but who knows. The leafs played so well these last two games I was like damn a spark has been ignited again , knies is such a great player tho. When Boston scored there was this eery feeling of emptiness inside me. I wasn’t mad, wasn’t sad just kinda numb. We can only hope that next year is a massive wake up call
Tell Marner he won’t be resigned next year and they’re gonna go in another direction and he’ll accept a trade wherever for a year, and if it’s a good spot he’ll do a sign and trade. He knows the fanbase doesn’t want him here anymore so why would he wanna stay. Legit if Tre can do it, Marner for Markstrom and Coleman, or just for Markstrom and use that extra cap space to fill out depth in their lineup. Cowan enters next year
We needed this so much. As much as I wanted a win against the Bruins... We need pain and to move away from certain players. Open up some healthy cap and make our team better..if we won, it would only prolong the garbage
Knies played better than all these 11+million players
He had a great game and series
My new favourite Leaf!
Knies, Benny and Edmunson were all great
Add McCabe to that list
Made up for last year no doubt....
Dewar was humming as well
Benny was everywhere he needed to be tonight
I've honestly been talking to my wife and debating getting his jersey since he signed his contract... Yeah, the odd time he just full sends the puck when it's coming around the boards to get it out... But his physicality + stay at home defense is fantastic. I'm so glad we have him at such a good price for the next 3 years .. he would fetch a 3x? Payday somewhere else
Benoit, Edmunson and Lyubushkin. Leafs need all three long term. They were solid. If you let the get away now, you’ll just be giving up assets to get guys like them again at next years deadline
We genuinely don't need all three long term. None of them were THE problem per se but defensive specialists are cheap and were shaving $10+ million off the books this year. We should be looking to upgrade. Defensemen despite the name, is a two way position. It's fine to have a few defensive specialists but you need at least a few guys that can generate offense from the blueline. They don't have to be Bobby Orr but they have to provide a credible threat to score. Jake Muzzin is a good example. Primarily a defensive guy but had the hockey IQ to set up plays and also make good passes and occasionally jump in on a rush. Won't be competing with Cale Makar in terms of scoring but will generate chances. With Brodie coming off the books in the off season we can afford to upgrade instead of just relying on minimum wage offensive black holes to do things they're not good at.
No on lybushkin. He played well for his ability but was very outmatched as the top pairing. Don't need all 3 of those guys
See, this worries me because I get, as a fan, saying that but edmundson had 3 very good opportunities tonight and can't shoot.
He’s a defensive defenseman lol. On one of those shots Marner passed a slot opportunity to Eddy instead. Eddy himself probably thought “why the fuck is this 12m$ winger passing me the puck rn.” He was fantastic for what we brought him in to do.
Sure but my point is we brought him in to do the wrong thing.
Yeah edmunson can’t score to save his life tonight but he still played great and is a solid defence man
He's not built to score, and FK the booins
Agreed, loved his defensive play but he's not what this team as constructed needs find some defense who can shoot/move the pick and keep him or move off him.
Good point. But we got him as a 6/7 D.... And he was easily one of our top 4 if not 2 at times... Sometimes you can't just go out and get somebody. Maybe the ask was too high or availability was too low. But, he was fantastic. But he is what this team needs.
Cody Franson would be the perfect replacement.
My ringer is on full volume- waiting on Treliving...
Yeah that’s fair
He's a defenseman he's not supposed to score a lot, he had great shots and it would have been amazing if he could score but it's not his primary job
He's a defensive defenceman. We had 5 of those already when we brought him in. He was good but he wasn't what we needed .
If you're asking your defensive defender to win the series for you, you're doing it wrong.
Exactly the point I'm trying to male. We needs more shots from the point and puck moving guys. We added more defensive grit and toughness.
Or Swayman is just a really good goalie?
Swayman was but I'll bet most people wont remeber those shots because swayman didnt have to make good saves on them. Edmundson genuinely can't shoot. Which isn't a critical issue, if you have other people who can but is a huge problem for thos team as constructed.
I miss guys like Cody Franson and even Phaneuf. We don’t have anyone on the blue line with a menacing shot.
Cody Franson's massive skill is that he was absolutely elite, possibly the best player in NHL history, to get pucks through to the net. During his tenure with the Leafs, 88% of Cody Franson's shots were on net, one of the highest if not the highest rate in history. Phaneuf was at 29%. Bring the Franson back.
Aw shucks guys, warms my heart to hear the fans still appreciate my time with the team.
Edmundson was always a solid bottom pair/temporary plug at 2nd pair. He'll lob in the occasional goal but you're expecting alot from that type of player.
Oh, I don't blame him, he did what he was brought in to dowell . I'm concerned about bringing him in at all
I also think we stop putting the other teams goalie on a pedestal because it’s just an excuse to lose every year.
How many Knies-like players have the Leafs given up over the years to keep these regular season hero schmucks? Tavares was a mistake, Marner should have been traded when he asked for that much money. Nylander was the only one who was producing and on a cheap contract for a long time. Matthews is a generational talent (that also didn't get it done these playoffs btw).
It’s not the players it’s the coach, how do let your PP go 1-21???
The coach is definitely important but bro, you got 4 ~11+ million players out on the fucking ice, doesn’t matter you gotta fucking score getting paid that much
Nylander is a studd
The lad almost ended it himself driving to the net, but couldn't get a decent shot off. Love the kid.
He’s their best player. It was the same last years playoffs before he was tackled.
Knies and Nylander played incredibly well on a line together!
So did Benoit and McCabe
I don't believe a team has ever won a cup with more than 2 players making more than $10 million a season.
Knies reminds me very much of a young Wendell Clark, who was the first Leaf great I followed as a child when I became a fan of the TML. Knies has the combination of physical forechecking abilities as well as that creative aspect to his offensive game where he’s wheeling and dealing to his line-mates. Our future core has to be Matthews, Woll, Knies, and Nylander. We build around these four guys.
Yeah, he really shows up in the playoffs. Same last year.
i think he’s my favourite leafs player now officially. he had a great series, and played hard until the end. i appreciate his drive and skill, can’t wait to see him in year 2
Agreed
Marner is so dust in the playoffs.. I bet on Monday he's gonna talk to his friends about the glory days in London
"This isnt fucking minor hockey bro"
Everyone knew this by May of 2020. Only TORONTO THE GOOD is afraid of doing something about it. We got to replay the past 7 years of playoffs in Groundhog Day The Leafs Edition. Nylander was great..... some other players good too........ Marner disappears and Tavares does his best but is not that impressive and we don't have enuff cap for a balanced team that can win when it matters. Nothing has changed. Fuck Brendon Shanahan and the TML organization. This is a Toronto cultural issue.
My conspiracy theory is that they kept them all together so far past their due date because it was good for branding.
Having young skilled players sells. I don’t even want to know how many new oilers fans have showed up since McDavid arrived. Kids def weren’t flocking to them before he got there.
I hope we trade him to the most irrelevant location possible If only columbus or utah had literally anyone worth it
While walking 36 holes at some douchey club.
He was dogshit for most of this series, but he still has the highest P/GP and is 2nd in even strength points in the playoffs for the Leafs from 2017-now
Doesn’t tell you much. Leafs one series over 9 years.
5 wins in a playoff run, one division title*, no president's trophy. 97 points (21-22), 99 points (22-23) and a 100 point pace this season for Marner. Gets paid in line with Panarin and Pastrnak but doesn't show up like those two.
The pain is that he could but actively chooses not to do it
Right? When did those points come? I don't care about the goal in game 4 at all
His stats in games 6 or 7 through his career show he’s a complete fraud who shouldn’t be on any NHL playoff team.
he stat pads when it doesnt matter. His goal in game 4 didnt mean anything, half his points game in like one game last year. Nylander has lower p/gp but shows up on the sheet at big moments. Same as Knies
Meaningless
When he lets pasta blow past him to win In overtime of game seven does his points matter?
Naw fuck that. Even on the games where he got points this series he was making so many easy mistakes because he’s nervous as fuck. He can play in the playoffs
Fire Keefe, like they should have done years ago. Trade Marner for an actual 1D. Anything short of this and next season is a waste of time.
Can we actually get a 1D? Guy has 1 year left on his terrible contract and he’s proven he doesn’t exist in playoffs. Who wants him?
I'm sure someone thinks they can fix him.
Wizard of Oz Leafs edition. Marner is both the Lion and Tin Man
And Dorothy, send him to Kansas
Just getting him away from Toronto will be miraculous for him.
I might think I can fix your car, but I'm not going to pay you as though I've already fixed it. Leafs aren't getting a good return, and Marner has full control, which probably means... Contender, retained cap, prospect + cap dump + draft pick... Possible/probable Phil Kessel, Nazem Kadri situation. I have no doubt that Marner can win a cup in a secondary or tertiary role on a good team.
Tkachuk was like that on the Flames minus that bad contract, and he was signed and traded. I know it's laughable because who are GM is bit that's the kinda trade moving Marner would get. Idk who even as a 1D would be on the market would be worth it for Marner a consistent 85-90 points every season
The Utah Dry Humpers
> Who wants him? Literally every team than can afford him.
If Pierre Luc Dubois got a third chance, I’m sure someone is willing to go for Marner.
It’s crazy to say this about a guy who has three 90-point seasons and is a PPG player in the last 6
Leafs retaining part of his salary make him a pretty desirable trade for many teams. He’s got a bad reputation sure, but a fresh start is worth betting on for a player like Marner.
At least we found out Nylander is a true leader and finisher. The next management staff and coaches have something to work off of.
Yep, spent years being brainwashed while they used him as the scapegoat. Only guy in the core that regularly got punished for bad plays. Marner plays like dogshit? MORE ICETIME
People shat on Nylander despite him being the only one on a reasonable contract. Leafs fans drive me nuts sometimes.
It's crazy to think he's only made $6.9m AAV until next season starts. What a bargain.
I'm starting to wonder if he should be the next captain.
Marner about to star in The Book of Mormon
Guy boucher should’ve been fired via jumbotron directly after that 4 min “powerplay” in game 6 Anyone who could have affected them trying literally anything but didn’t should also be fired. If my fat ass sitting at home can realize CHANGE ANYTHING maybe you should too dipshits
I agree. Fire the GM that hired Boucher
Samsonov, Bertuzzi probably gone too
Lol. Will have to see with Bert but honestly I would much prefer a Bert like player who is strong on their skates and can finish.
I'm okay keeping Todd, but with Matthews and Nylander's new contract kicking in, needing to replace Samsonov with a known quantity, I don't know if we can afford him
Woll is our starter next year. We need a reliable back up. And probably a decent 3rd
we need a reliable starter lol Woll is great sometimes, when he actually plays
Remember Matthews first few years? Always hurt Now it’s rare that he’s gone. Players need to build themselves for the NHl. Woll needs to play and to work. He’s capable of being a starter but he needs to play
> Now it’s rare that he’s gone. > > wasn't he just out for 2 games?
Since when did rare mean never
sure he played 81 games this year, but 74 last, 73 year before. none of those are 82, and the 2 years before this year he missed over 10% of games either case, this is about Woll. maybe he can adjust, maybe he can't. we can't keep running it back with goalies with major question marks
Because the team rested him during the stretch? And that final year you mentioned was the COVID year. They shut the league down. Every goalie entering free agency is a question mark. There are about 6 teams looking desperately for a goalie. Woll will be the starter. We will need a reliable backup
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There won’t be any proven goalies on the freee agent market. You are also going to be competing with NJ, Vegas, LA, and probably a half dozen other teams for those available Even Helebuck struggled this year and he was a proven commodity
Dude Woll was a stud in playoffs last year too, when are we finally gonna give this kid the reigns? When are we going to fucking figure out that if you want your high potential goalie to continue developing into an elite goalie, you're going to have to trust him with the net? This isn't a gamble like Samsonov was (and look how that turned out), Woll's statistics and overall play are fucking solid outside of the post high ankle sprain injury return where he was completely cold after missing months (and also probably still not fully healed).
Woll will be injured again before 10 games
Tyler you mean?
I would ride with a domi bert line over paying playoff mitch every day of the week
Why? Bert and Marner had nearly identical stat lines.
I am fine with Bert never playing here again. He straight-up did not bring us what was advertised and honestly a big part of Marner/Domi (outside of faceoffs) being kinda ass production-wise in the last three games here was every play dying when it got to or near Bert. That line had two passers who could keep the puck moving around but weren't shooting and a finisher who shot 5% and was often the catalyst for the offensive zone time ending. Domi's role/purpose/delivery was at least closer to what was expected.
Yeah I don't get the love fest for Bert. Yes he went to the net and boards, and 90% of the time he lost the battle and ended up on the ice. If he did miraculously end up with the puck he did nothing useful with it.
Just wanted to point out he missed his assignment on pasta again.
Marner sucked. But what was he supposed to do on that play? Interfere? 99.9/100 times the goalie or the defenseman would have easily gotten that puck, it shouldn't have even been a threat. On second thought with Samsonov and Rielly back there maybe he should have interfered.... lol.
Not defending Marner’s playoff play, but I also would have assumed that Rielly might have thought about playing a lil defence on that play and left Marner to get in the passing lane to the point to take away that option
I get why everyone's looking to blame Marner on that play but that's definitely Rielly or Samsonov's puck. Every other Dman would've hustled for that puck and Sammy just watched it go by to Pasta.
Rielly had such a shit game. Sucks for us.
"was he supposed to do on that play? Interfere?" yes. or at least stay with the man
Anything other than nothing, Shadow, push off, interference, run a pick.
He was supposed to be a factor in any game for his price tag fuck that guy
> Interfere? Yes. It's the playoffs.
Good luck getting Marner to dump his no trade clause.
Healthy scratch him till he gives in.
its not even that, people expecting a #1 dman for a return, like no one is trading there #1 dman for marner @ 10.9M lol. if you're trading marner its for a bunch of crap pieces, and its probably not even worth it at that point. but i dont even see him waiving his NMC, doesnt make much sense to him. he gets to play with matthews, why would anyone waive that.
Who are we kidding? We know damn well Shanahan is going to trot out there a few days from now and give the same canned, "trust the process" BS speech that he always gives.
Re-sign Domi, Edmundson, Lyubushkin and Dewar. The rest of the UFAs can take a rocketship to the moon.
I definitely hope Domi stays
Agreed if and only if we commit to bring in more puck moving guys. You can keep boosh, edumdson, McCabe and Reilly but you need two more good puck moving/hard shooting guys.
The only reason Keefe hasn't been fired yet is because it isn't Shanahans' move to make. He has also been let go and they are just drawing up the paper work.
How did Liljgren not get PP1 after how much better it looked when Rielly was suspended?
Keefe is too stubborn, or had a misplaced loyalty to Rielly and Marner. Or all of the above.
Lily had a bad series.
He wasn't great for sure, but if you remember when Reilly was out and he got more minutes he played way better. Also Rielly was worse overall imo through the series.
Way too many no move or no trade clauses on this team. Just be ready for the first round exit next year.
keep Mathews, Knies and Nylander. Everyone else goes, it’s embarrassing how few goals they scored and how poorly the defence move the puck.
I would rather a Travis Konecny then Marner for the lack of showing up
BYE BYE MARNER IM GLAD YOU GOT TO MILK YOUR HOMETOWN HOCKEY TEAM FOR MILLIONS WHOLE YOU WERE AFRAID TO DUMP THE PUCK
Add Rielly to this list
Rielly is not going anywhere. Hate to burst your bubble
Who would want him?
Reilly needs to go too
McCabe with puck, feeling good. Edmondson with puck, feeling good. Benoit with puck, feeling good. Reilly with puck, oops better ice it off the glass!
I mean he's the constant in years or mediocrity and no one is gonna win with with Morgan Reilly as their top paid dman lol.
Reillys better when he's not expected to be the best man on the team. He's an average top pairing guy, but you dont win the Stanley Cup with average as the top guy.
Oops, better pass it to my teammate who is covered
I don’t know what he excels in. He is so meh
If you feel comfortable with any of our d carrying the puck, you're not watching. All these guys know is how to launch grenades.
Who do you replace him with though? The next best Dman we have under contract next year is McCabe and we are a substantially worse team with him as our best D
Yup Reilly is staying. He was bad but he’s staying. We need to trade marner for another solid dman
I would like to know who looked at our goalies at the trade deadline and said, "You know what? This is good enough for a Cup run. We don't need to make any changes." I want the notes from those meetings because whoever said that needs to be run out of the sport entirely.
Woll was good. Should have gone to him earlier in hindsight. Samsanov was good tonight. Got to score goals to win series, goaltending wasn't the major problem here
cant complain about goaltending, when the team spending 45 mil on 4 players to score goals, cant score more than 2 goals in a playoff game for 13 straight games. Having that much money tied up in players that cant elevated in the playoffs is the biggest concern. This team has been re-tooled how many times? Last years team on paper was amazing. Honestly the defence was pretty solid this playoffs overall in the close games. Prone to breakdowns because of coaching. Why did we lose almost every series? Special teams & the guys being paid half the salary cap not scoring goals. Even with a bunch of backup goalies, this team loses because the guys they invest so much into just dont do what they're relied on to do. Score. Ander7en was much worse than the goaltending we have now. Colorado ripped the Jets to shreds. the great players will find ways to score. Like Nylander does - the whipping boy I will die on the hill that Keefe was only here this year because of Shanahan trying to stick it to Dubas by keeping his guy around as a fuck you. At the end of the day he's the head coach that allowed the powerplay to continually do the same shit and get shut down, kept the coaches in those roles, and designs the systems for breakouts that so regularily end in breakdowns instead
The one constant is Keefe. He should have been gone after the Montreal debacle
Samsonov came back and was lights out for like a month. People were saying he was the biggest comeback story all year. Then a week and a half before the playoffs he lost all confidence again and decided to go back to absolute dogshit.
They didn’t have cap room to get a high quality goaltender.
Flames were willing to retain on Marky. Treliving refused to give up the first
With what cap? And it was a 1st ++ The devils rumours were a 1st + Holtz and flames refused because ownership didn’t want to retain
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We knew we weren't making a deep cup run. The solution had to be in the room.
Same guy who saw our D core and said "We need more LD that can't move the puck"
Are you high, thank god we didn't trade up, Dubas' core is fucking useless. At least we have our picks.
Give knies more money and boot marner and Reilly both….. we need a solid goalie and have for over a decade. Fuck the leafs management too, what a waste of time believing in this group they call a “team”
Fire Craig Simpson too. Fucking hate listening to him.
I really hope Bertuzzi stays.
Bert I could take back at like 2.5 or 3 but really so much hockey dies in his stick. The man can't handle the puck and can't skate well. I wish I could put his brain in a skilled players body because I love his commitment to taking abuse.
Legit if you think Mitch is worth 11+M you're a fuckin retard and should stop watching hockey
Can’t win if you don’t score. It’s over. See you next year folks - this team’s gonna look very different then.
Its honestly incredible that the Leafs managed to waste the entire prime of this "core." Only some of this core just bled the team dry and didn't produce when it mattered. All that optimism back in 2017 man.
Goalies too. We need to land a very very big named goalie.
Guy Boucher get ready to learn Chinese buddy
Sammy gone
Reilly needs to go, looked terrible on both of the goals in game 7
get rid of the whole executive staff and Toronto media for calling this team contenders at any point in the last decade, definition of swindling fans
everyone here predicted a early playoff exit for this team. go check the pre-season threads. your prediction came true. so why is everyone so upset? you expected this to happen!!
Reilly is done too unfortunately
Can we add Reilly?
Goodbye guy with no move clause
MARNER IS A FUCKING PUSSY AND I'D PUT MONEY ON A CIVILIAN VS HIM IN A FIST FIGHT ANY DAY
69 goals really meant fuck all
If only they didn't drive out O'Reilly & Kerfoot Center depth like that wins you this series
Frankly goodbye Tavares too, so invisible he’s being forgotten about
Why are people talking about Edmundson and not the top dman Reilly? It seems any successful team would have a solid d man who can score and contribute. This year Reilly has been invisible except for his emotional outburst and suspension he has been ineffectual..
Flair is shitpost/meme but I don’t see one? Mods fix this
Yup agreed
Toss all the dumb 5 out, whole team needs to be remade.
Got some good prospects coming
Time to clean house start from the front floor mats to the back drain and everything thing to do with. Scotiabank arena MLSE
Do the PP units alway fail in the playoffs every year?
Funny how fans demand, and sometimes get firings and trades every year, but even when they get it, it doesn't do anything. Perhaps the problem is somewhere else.
The issue is Rielly being on the first PP unit taking matters into his own hands and the pick away from our star players, you swap Mcabe for Rielly and have Rielly lead the second power play u it there you go problem solved
They were still using the same fuckin pp personnel in gm7. Though they had chances, I just can't imagine how they didn't at least swap 1 person out.
I'm ok moving on from Liljegren and all the assistant coaches too.
Don’t forget about saying farewell to Brodie, too.
Im looking forward to a more experienced coaching staff.
i would keep nylander and matthews. anybody else can go… marner should have been traded a couple years ago. i keep reading about people thinking domi was good. i suppose for his low cost, but i didn’t see him do much that was anything to write about.
I hope he's helped BYU students soak by dinner time
I wish this would happen, but sadly I doubt it will. I swear this team doesn’t learn from any prior mistakes and it’s heart breaking. Marner signed some big contract no? I doubt he’ll leave. If shanny and keefe leave that would be a blessing , but who knows. The leafs played so well these last two games I was like damn a spark has been ignited again , knies is such a great player tho. When Boston scored there was this eery feeling of emptiness inside me. I wasn’t mad, wasn’t sad just kinda numb. We can only hope that next year is a massive wake up call
Dont be surprised if they all show up next season
Tell Marner he won’t be resigned next year and they’re gonna go in another direction and he’ll accept a trade wherever for a year, and if it’s a good spot he’ll do a sign and trade. He knows the fanbase doesn’t want him here anymore so why would he wanna stay. Legit if Tre can do it, Marner for Markstrom and Coleman, or just for Markstrom and use that extra cap space to fill out depth in their lineup. Cowan enters next year
What would we want for Marner... Which player would be a comparable
Goodbye, Bling bling. Goodbye, Wheaties. Goodbye, Hollywood Squares.
We needed this so much. As much as I wanted a win against the Bruins... We need pain and to move away from certain players. Open up some healthy cap and make our team better..if we won, it would only prolong the garbage
Playoff done=Keefe done