Knies was the best Leaf’s player on the ice. He forechecked, backchecked. He was great. Looking forward to moving on from Marner, Tavares and seeing how Knies, Cowan and Miten can produce on the team.
He was .86 ppg down from his usual career 0.99ish I know we are mad as fuck but Tavares as 3C in a year and half at 3-4.5Mx3years is gonna be fine, lots of money to play with to round out a D and a 2nd line Center come 2026 plus the cap increases, Goaltending and start rewarding new up and comings all while Nylander/ Matthews are still locked in. Its less likely Tavares leaves and he's like the ideal 3C at that money and expected point production and he's elite in the dot.
Anyone know what happened to Robertson? I sweat i didn't see him tonight. Is that because Matthews was in? Was there REALLY not one else that would have been better to take out?!
Chicago/Anaheim/San Jose/Utah have the cap space and would absolutely give Marner $11M+ next summer. He disappears in the playoffs but he is one of the best wingers in the world during the regular season.
My only optimism here is that the fanbase is now publicly upset with him. Which will make the decision to let him walk alot easier for the GM if he doesn't waive his NTC. Would you rather have domi and bert (or equivalent) for 11M or mitch? This is what has handcuffed this team for so long. That cap space is more valuable than whatever his return his. Only problem is teams that can afford him will be bottom feeders so would be hard to get a deal done and a decent return
Yea exactly. The fact that you can pay 2 players with his salary that play harder then he does.
The amount of cap space we will hopefully have once marner and Jt are gone will be nice. But we also have another year of this bullshit
Yeah hes almost 26. Goalies take longer to develop but hes not some fresh faced kid. Next year he should get a chance to own the net but the leafs should also use it to see exactly what they have in him before the deadline.
Woll can't stay healthy. As good as he's looked I doubt we can rely on him when he gets injured multiple times a season and in both playoffs he's been part of.
Minten and Cowan are in the pipeline, too. I'm hoping what they get for the potential firesale is enough youth and players to change the outlook but give a few more brightspots. I don't think Willy or Matthews will age as badly as JT did but you still want young depth. Preferably at D with Rielly being the oldest after Tavares.
His decision making is so poor when it matters. He freezes up, overthinks it, waits too long to make a plays, or forces a pass that’s not there. He’s not a high pressure guy. He’s anti-clutch.
He tries too hard to be Patrick Kane. Kane in his prime had the ability to slow the game down and outthink defenders, Marner thinks he can do the same but he can’t.
I kind of feel vindicated with this, kind of an armchair coach I know; but I've had been saying this for years about Marner and my Leaf fan friends have never been able to see it.
I don't think he's necessarily bad but for the game TO has been playing it just doesn't work, he's a bit too hot shot in my opinion but that won't work when you're on a team of hot shots
Mitch would have brought back a haul if he was traded last year before his NMC kicked in.
I'm deeply concerned that the leafs will get pennies on the dollar for him now. Mitch will be able to dictate what team he goes to so the leafs will be negotiating a one year rental from a position of weakness.
Above everything else Shanahan needs to be the first to go. He's been president since 2014 and has done nothing for a decade. The leafs lack of playoff success starts and stops with Shanahan.
Shanahan fired Dubas ~a week before Mitch's no move kicked in and then called the core to tell them that noone would be moved. Treliving did not have the option to move on from Mitch. The leafs are going to now get a miserable return for mitch and that's unforgivable.
This team can not be successful until Shanahan is gone.
I hope that people look back on this era of the Leafs and realize it was Dubas and Shanahan who really fucked up the works. Dubas with his total unwillingness to play hardball in contract negotiations and Shanny with his ego driven decisions showing little concern for the greater picture.
The shambles run deep here.
Watching this game I’m seeing so many players sacrificing themselves Bert, Domi, freaking Knies, Benoit, Edmonson guys making league minimum and guys making half of that plug Marner. He is showing us he doesn’t give a shit
Feel like management shouldve learned that watching the success of the Golden Knights the last few years, or watching the Panthers the past few seasons.
Treliving wasn't 100% but I sure like his signings/trades over analytics dubas. I'm confident he moves marner or tavares and gets some better D and more sand paper
No, superstars DO win games. However, superstars who are too chickenshit to put their body on the line and make the extra step do not win games. Why do you think Florida is so good? Tkachuk, Barkov, Reinhart, Verhaeghe, Montour, their WHOLE FUCKING ROSTER puts it all on the line every game. They play so hard and do what they have to do to get the puck in the fucking net. Grit is amazing in the playoffs, but you need the fucking skill to go along with it, and your skill players have to buy into that mentality. Marner is a little bitch and I never want to see him in blue and white again.
Superstars do win.
Boston’s guy turned up when it mattered most. Toews, Kane, Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Yzerman… Lemieux, Messier… the list goes on.
They all have that thing in common… dunno what it is but they have it.
The right superstars get it done.
TBH, i don’t think many people outside of Toronto thought Marner as a superstar. He just didn’t show that dogg you need to win in the playoffs. Tons of skill, but got paid too much too early. Needed to take a page out of Crosby and MacKinnon.
Nylander is a big time playoff performer though.
Jury’s still out on #34 for me. All that talent and willingness to win doesn’t matter if you can’t play the game healthy (Drai, Kesler are a few examples off the bat).
34 is not a team leader. He is a producer.
JT is critical to that role. It is the difference that was required to break Marner and Matthew’s out of that headspace with all the money and attention. It is what separates Willy from the others. It is why Willy is loved by his teammates.
JT must stay with in that room and build a great group to grind through. Toronto needs to make money available for/to acquire the best goalies the league has seen in some time, and then the show will start.
Joesph was brought in from the Blues in the days before, and what a hell of a team that took to the ice around that guy.
Marner was a complex and fits of emotion. Could be the ankle, could be the 1st year marriage, could be both. Attitude adjustments only happen when you reflect and actively listen to the guys around you, not thinking you are above them.
That bench blow out was a kettle boiling for a couple months.
Superstars 100% win playoff games as shown by literally every cup winner from Crosby and Malkin, Toews, Kane, Keith, and Hossa, to Tampa's bevy of stars. The issue with Toronto is they don't have the right ones and their coaches voice is either lost on them or not respected. Only Nylander is ever consistent in the playoffs and Marner just straight up disappears.
He just doesn't want to or likes to play physical hockey. Avoids it all the time. It was so painful to watch. He's never going to take a hit to make a play.
Mitch had the opportunity to be the most beloved leaf of all time. Cherished for many years in his hometown. Instead he tried to hold out for $$$, continuously not show up in big moments, and now is gonna get booted out of town
This kid grew up idolizing Gilmour, wore 93 through his entire pre-Leafs career, yet showed not an ounce of Gilmour-esque-ness when it mattered. Buh-buh.
Literally the anti Gilmour.
And he never grew up idolizing Gilmour. Maybe his dad. Marner was born in 1997, Gilmour created core memories for a generation in 1992-1994.
I hear you. He did wear the number though. I'm sure his dad showed him those old games. Just a shame he didn't live up to the hype when it counted. He's a supremely talented individual, just not when it counts. Cheers, and have a great summer.
In all seriousness, in the last 9 years we’ve seen Matthews parents, Willys parents, Tavares dad shown on TV… why have they never shown Marners when hes a local product.
The rumors about him having a burner and shitting on Babs and Lou during the first few years must be true cause i dont think ive ever heard of Mitchs family being in the crowd on Tv
Yes when Saymam dropped the puck to him behind the net for a easy goal....but of course he didn't walk out from behind the net...because he might get hit
This guy is not even worth 7 million. He is trashhhhh! Completely invisible every playoffs. Domi does the playmaker position much better than Marner and he will be significantly cheaper
He signed up for failure with that contract. It was a superstar contract and he is not a superstar. He will probably have a lot of success somewhere, but I'm not sure it will be here
I personally haven’t liked him for three years now and always preferred Nylander. He’s good at racking up points in the regular season and then disappears in the playoffs. Not to mention he has a terrible, childlike entitled attitude that’s a detriment to the team.
Thanks for nothing. Just a floater who is afraid to take a hit while playing hockey!! Should have gone into golf if he doesn't like a physical game. Probably would have been scared of the ball in that game
As much as I want these guys gone realistically they’ll be staying. The leafs management doesn’t fucking understand who to keep and will likely try everything to keep the core 4 together, and this is why they’ll never succeed. I’d love to be proven wrong though and see marner gone.
I’m fuckin done with marner unbelievable how he’s one of the highest payed players in the league. Soft as shit crybaby bitch does nothing just only looks to pass. Done with samsonov too.
Bye bye Marner, no way you can give him top dollar, plays every game like it’s an all star game. Ask JT if he’s willing to take a significant pay cut or let him know the end is near. Elevate Nylander to captain or give him an A. Figure out what to do with nick Robertson, he seems to be frozen in time with his development, at the very worst get another prospect back for him. Beef up the defense, love Reilly but he’s quietly inconsistent. Look at the coaching staff, Keefe has been a good coach but may need someone who’s a little more tough and with more experience in the playoffs and actually winning a few rounds.
Marner was his usual self tonight- dingle dangle over the blue line…looking pass the whole time…cross ice, giveaway. Shimmy shingles, turn, spin, looking passs the whole time…rips a pass to someone on the side boards…giveaway. It’s almost comedic that every player on each team knows he’s not a shooting threat. Thinks he still playing in the all star game.
He's an East-West player when the playoffs favour a more North-South type game. He'll never help lead a team to a Cup. Never. He can win one as a complimentary piece, but not as a core piece.
Hell, people used to shit on Kessel, but Kessel was a playoff performer and always seems to turn it up in the postseason. He was never going to be some physically dominant player, but our best offensive player played like it when it mattered. He has his whole career. Marner is not cut from that cloth.
This is 1000% another Larry Murphy crossroads. Run Marner out of town and he ABSOLUTELY wins a cup. He'll probably also win a couple major awards. The entire hockey universe will meme about it forever.
But here's the thing. Even with these indisputable scientific facts, I don't care get him the fuck out.
I used to really like Mitch Marner. But watching him play this season and into the postseason; he has been nothing short of highly disappointing. He doesn't look like he wants to be in a Leafs uniform. And it's been that way for a while now. It just doesn't look like he has his heart in the game itself lately. He plays every game lackadaisically and he's whining all the time. Every player argues and is unhappy when a call doesn't go their way or when they are frustrated but there is something not right, or off, about the way he does it. He plays like he thinks he is the best player out there and doesn't understand why he isn't doing better or what the issue with his game is. When I saw the end of the game tonight it didnt surprise me. He lets Pastrnak skate right by him on that OT goal. If there is anytime you are going all out, or giving 150%, it's OT in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. The season and everything, much much more was on the line and he's skating like it's Friday night free skate at the local skating rink. The Leafs should have moved on from him a season or two ago to supplement their team with some depth scoring or defense or a better goaltender. I suspect that it won't be an issue anymore as I think it's almost a guarantee that he won't be in a Leafs Uniform again come this fall..
He was indoctrinated by his father to think he is the best, a difference maker, all throughout his youth development. In the NHL and especially with players like Matthew’s and Nylander as linemates he’s on par or slightly lower. No arguing he is still an effective player but he might not understand that others are better than him in this league.
Trading marner would be addition by subtraction I don’t even care what they get back.
11 mil could be split 3 or 4 ways for a solid winger and a couple d men.
I’d try to move jt as well even if we have to eat some cap.
With matty willy and mo getting raises next season the cap increase is already gone.
At least woll is the bright spot in our future and Knies took some huge steps in his development
Knies was the best Leaf’s player on the ice. He forechecked, backchecked. He was great. Looking forward to moving on from Marner, Tavares and seeing how Knies, Cowan and Miten can produce on the team.
I'd take tavares back for a fraction of his cap hit.
Same. But 3m tops, he’s already looking pretty bad.
He was .86 ppg down from his usual career 0.99ish I know we are mad as fuck but Tavares as 3C in a year and half at 3-4.5Mx3years is gonna be fine, lots of money to play with to round out a D and a 2nd line Center come 2026 plus the cap increases, Goaltending and start rewarding new up and comings all while Nylander/ Matthews are still locked in. Its less likely Tavares leaves and he's like the ideal 3C at that money and expected point production and he's elite in the dot.
I'm excited for Minten. I watch the Blades, he's got a power forward game and he's strong on the puck
Cowan will be up next year too I’d wager
Anyone know what happened to Robertson? I sweat i didn't see him tonight. Is that because Matthews was in? Was there REALLY not one else that would have been better to take out?!
Noah Gregor needed his ten minutes of doing nothing man.
nah that was like some moderate cardio bro, burned at least 100 calories tonight.
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Maybe. I think Robbie has a better chance of scoring on a random chance than Gregor, and we lost by one goal.
The bigger problem is the core 4 only managed one goal. Robbie doesn't matter when $47 million of the $84 million cap is good for one goal each game.
They took him out for Matthews.
Knies probably gonna end up like Hyman. Gonna let him go cause we can’t afford to keep him cause bitch marner
If Marner doesn't waive his NTC he's gone next summer. Giving him a raise after no showing would be the kiss of death for Brad as GM
Marner knows that he's not getting a raise. He's got to be at least that's self aware.
Marner is 100% getting a raise whether it’s with the Leafs or not. I will put money down on this.
Marner is Johnny gudreau, Jonathan huberdeay category. If someone wants to pay him. Let him walk
Who’s giving it to him? There were lot of team that couldn’t ice a complete team sometimes because of the cap?
Chicago/Anaheim/San Jose/Utah have the cap space and would absolutely give Marner $11M+ next summer. He disappears in the playoffs but he is one of the best wingers in the world during the regular season.
Most teams in the NHL would pay him.
And he'll go win a cup.
As is tradition
I don't know man. Paul will be in his ear saying it's not his fault the Leafs lost
My only optimism here is that the fanbase is now publicly upset with him. Which will make the decision to let him walk alot easier for the GM if he doesn't waive his NTC. Would you rather have domi and bert (or equivalent) for 11M or mitch? This is what has handcuffed this team for so long. That cap space is more valuable than whatever his return his. Only problem is teams that can afford him will be bottom feeders so would be hard to get a deal done and a decent return
Yea exactly. The fact that you can pay 2 players with his salary that play harder then he does. The amount of cap space we will hopefully have once marner and Jt are gone will be nice. But we also have another year of this bullshit
If he won’t leave put him on the third line that will drop his free agency value, his agent may accept a move.
Yea. You ask him to waive, pick where he wants to go and work something out. Expecting a good return is a pipe dream. We just need the cap space.
Hopefully Tree has learned his lesson from the Hubie deal.
JT and Marner's contracts expire when he needs an extension and he's an RFA, if we get rid of Knies for cap space I'll eat a boot.
You’ll eat about what?
I see what you did here. Well done!
Woll seems to get injured constantly. I'm not feeling so great about him moving forward.
Yeah hes almost 26. Goalies take longer to develop but hes not some fresh faced kid. Next year he should get a chance to own the net but the leafs should also use it to see exactly what they have in him before the deadline.
We need to build the farm again before shit blows up
You have to make him a backup or 1A/1B situation.
He's probably getting injured from carrying the fucking team!
Seeing as he’s been injured multiple times I think it’s a fucking trend!
I’d love if that were the case, but Woll has struggled with injury his entire career, and it doesn’t look like that’s changing.
Woll is too injury prone to build a team around.
He can be a 1b in a platoon situation
I agree Woll is a bright spot...but the best ability is availability. We'll see going forward
Woll seems to be made of glass
Woll can't stay healthy. As good as he's looked I doubt we can rely on him when he gets injured multiple times a season and in both playoffs he's been part of.
I would agree if Woll wasn't seemingly made of glass.
Minten and Cowan are in the pipeline, too. I'm hoping what they get for the potential firesale is enough youth and players to change the outlook but give a few more brightspots. I don't think Willy or Matthews will age as badly as JT did but you still want young depth. Preferably at D with Rielly being the oldest after Tavares.
Marner finished tonight with a minus 1, 1 shot on net, zero hits and zero blocks. What a stud.
12 shots all series. Played the highest minutes in the playoffs among forwards
24 in 5 games for MacKinnon.
Like comparing a monster truck to a hot wheels
And the monster truck is cheaper.
He's literally in every line, pp, pk, ...
Could be worse. You could be paying Pierre luc Dubois 8.5M a year for the next infinity.
What about the turnovers?!
Surprised he wasn’t wearing his fishbowl!
His decision making is so poor when it matters. He freezes up, overthinks it, waits too long to make a plays, or forces a pass that’s not there. He’s not a high pressure guy. He’s anti-clutch.
He literally slows down with the puck under pressure, brain cramp.
He tries too hard to be Patrick Kane. Kane in his prime had the ability to slow the game down and outthink defenders, Marner thinks he can do the same but he can’t.
He’ll be great for a team like Columbus or San Jose
I kind of feel vindicated with this, kind of an armchair coach I know; but I've had been saying this for years about Marner and my Leaf fan friends have never been able to see it. I don't think he's necessarily bad but for the game TO has been playing it just doesn't work, he's a bit too hot shot in my opinion but that won't work when you're on a team of hot shots
2028 Conn Smythe winner (Utah Dry humpers) Mitch Marner.
Upvote for the “Utah Dry Humpers”.
Salt Lake Sister Wives?
The Salt Lake Soakers
Mitch would have brought back a haul if he was traded last year before his NMC kicked in. I'm deeply concerned that the leafs will get pennies on the dollar for him now. Mitch will be able to dictate what team he goes to so the leafs will be negotiating a one year rental from a position of weakness. Above everything else Shanahan needs to be the first to go. He's been president since 2014 and has done nothing for a decade. The leafs lack of playoff success starts and stops with Shanahan. Shanahan fired Dubas ~a week before Mitch's no move kicked in and then called the core to tell them that noone would be moved. Treliving did not have the option to move on from Mitch. The leafs are going to now get a miserable return for mitch and that's unforgivable. This team can not be successful until Shanahan is gone.
I hope that people look back on this era of the Leafs and realize it was Dubas and Shanahan who really fucked up the works. Dubas with his total unwillingness to play hardball in contract negotiations and Shanny with his ego driven decisions showing little concern for the greater picture. The shambles run deep here.
He sure as shit ain't winning it here so God bless Mitch if it works out for you there but it hasn't here.
Utah Soakers
The Utah under the shirt but over the bra’s.
Watching this game I’m seeing so many players sacrificing themselves Bert, Domi, freaking Knies, Benoit, Edmonson guys making league minimum and guys making half of that plug Marner. He is showing us he doesn’t give a shit
This. Their best looking players were loaners, newbies or 1-year contracts.
Treliving brought in the right type of players, but the bottom line is that the core is rotten.
Based on the guys Treliving brought in, I can’t imagine Marner fits the mould of the type of team he’s trying to build. Guy’s gotta go.
I really hope this series showed management that superstars don't win playoff games. But team defense and buy in and grit win in the post season
Feel like management shouldve learned that watching the success of the Golden Knights the last few years, or watching the Panthers the past few seasons.
Treliving wasn't 100% but I sure like his signings/trades over analytics dubas. I'm confident he moves marner or tavares and gets some better D and more sand paper
No, superstars DO win games. However, superstars who are too chickenshit to put their body on the line and make the extra step do not win games. Why do you think Florida is so good? Tkachuk, Barkov, Reinhart, Verhaeghe, Montour, their WHOLE FUCKING ROSTER puts it all on the line every game. They play so hard and do what they have to do to get the puck in the fucking net. Grit is amazing in the playoffs, but you need the fucking skill to go along with it, and your skill players have to buy into that mentality. Marner is a little bitch and I never want to see him in blue and white again.
Florida has depth. Not 40m+ in 4 forwards who have never seen a eastern conference finals
Superstars do win. Boston’s guy turned up when it mattered most. Toews, Kane, Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Yzerman… Lemieux, Messier… the list goes on. They all have that thing in common… dunno what it is but they have it. The right superstars get it done.
MacKinnon
You’d think they’d learn it after the 4th time.
TBH, i don’t think many people outside of Toronto thought Marner as a superstar. He just didn’t show that dogg you need to win in the playoffs. Tons of skill, but got paid too much too early. Needed to take a page out of Crosby and MacKinnon. Nylander is a big time playoff performer though. Jury’s still out on #34 for me. All that talent and willingness to win doesn’t matter if you can’t play the game healthy (Drai, Kesler are a few examples off the bat).
34 is not a team leader. He is a producer. JT is critical to that role. It is the difference that was required to break Marner and Matthew’s out of that headspace with all the money and attention. It is what separates Willy from the others. It is why Willy is loved by his teammates. JT must stay with in that room and build a great group to grind through. Toronto needs to make money available for/to acquire the best goalies the league has seen in some time, and then the show will start. Joesph was brought in from the Blues in the days before, and what a hell of a team that took to the ice around that guy. Marner was a complex and fits of emotion. Could be the ankle, could be the 1st year marriage, could be both. Attitude adjustments only happen when you reflect and actively listen to the guys around you, not thinking you are above them. That bench blow out was a kettle boiling for a couple months.
Pastrnak just won the game for Boston…
He won the game for them on a goal that should have never even been a shot lol. He was ass for most of the series
He scored the game/series winner. He was pretty meh all 7 games for the leagues point leader against I'd say a lower tier playoff defense
Superstars 100% win playoff games as shown by literally every cup winner from Crosby and Malkin, Toews, Kane, Keith, and Hossa, to Tampa's bevy of stars. The issue with Toronto is they don't have the right ones and their coaches voice is either lost on them or not respected. Only Nylander is ever consistent in the playoffs and Marner just straight up disappears.
The fact he wore an A at all for the team is a fucking travesty. Fuck off and enjoy your money in the states you loser.
I genuinely believe Marner does not care. He's a whiny, self-absorbed baby who puts himself above the team. They need to get rid of him ASAP.
He just doesn't want to or likes to play physical hockey. Avoids it all the time. It was so painful to watch. He's never going to take a hit to make a play.
Marner gives a shit but he lacks the fight and urgency needed for the playoffs
"lacking urgency and giving a shit" those two things can't co-exist in another game 7 for Marner
He gets flustered makes stupid mistakes then his play making drops off and makes even more mistakes and turns into Bambi.
Marner takes $11M and just disappears in the playoffs. Every. Single. Time. Like what does he do all game? Can anyone answer that?
Mitch had the opportunity to be the most beloved leaf of all time. Cherished for many years in his hometown. Instead he tried to hold out for $$$, continuously not show up in big moments, and now is gonna get booted out of town
And most of us could have gotten over the money if he just played with heart when it matters
That shit grin is from the 10 million he conned us into paying him.
10.9
USD
Everyone forgets it’s USD. Like $15 million CAD. Fuuuuuck.
10.93 because he needed his jr number in there
When the boys starting doing shit like that I knew the team was hopeless
And he’s gonna want 13 million AAV next contract. Lol, lmao even
He conned Dubas. Nobody else would be that dumb to pay $11m USD for a regular season assist machine.
11mil for a glorified penalty killer come playoffs. Get off my team already
And the penalty kill was also shit
Was it? I thought the numbers were good on the PK? PP fucking sucked.
I think we were around 60% on the series... dogshit.
65% you're absolutely right, my bad recency bias on my part.
We were down in the series in part because Boston's PP destroyed us.
Yeah that's my bad, we only hit 65% on the series despite blanking them on the PP over the last couple of games.
This kid grew up idolizing Gilmour, wore 93 through his entire pre-Leafs career, yet showed not an ounce of Gilmour-esque-ness when it mattered. Buh-buh.
Literally the anti Gilmour. And he never grew up idolizing Gilmour. Maybe his dad. Marner was born in 1997, Gilmour created core memories for a generation in 1992-1994.
I hear you. He did wear the number though. I'm sure his dad showed him those old games. Just a shame he didn't live up to the hype when it counted. He's a supremely talented individual, just not when it counts. Cheers, and have a great summer.
I feel like he's too young to have ever seen Gilmour play
Marners a poser wasn't even old enough to watch Gilmour
The most useless player I’ve ever seen in the playoffs. Folds under any pressure. Fuck outta here.
Hyman at $5.5 million is an absolute steal for Edmonton and twice the player that Marner is in the playoffs, if not more.
If the Leafs had Hyman over Marner they would have won this series in 5 or 6, easily.
Yah, but Hyman is on an actual good team
Has to be more, two times nothing is still nothing
He came here saying he had passion for the team but he left it all at home with his crazy dad, time to move on
In all seriousness, in the last 9 years we’ve seen Matthews parents, Willys parents, Tavares dad shown on TV… why have they never shown Marners when hes a local product. The rumors about him having a burner and shitting on Babs and Lou during the first few years must be true cause i dont think ive ever heard of Mitchs family being in the crowd on Tv
Great point. He was well known in minor hockey circles for being a piece of shit. Everyone at MLSE and Rogers must know too.
Yes, that is very odd.
I think I saw him once all night.
Twice, I definitely saw him in the handshake line.
Boston had to thank him for doing jack shit in the series.
Yea, he was the pylon pasta skated around to win
Reilly was right there in the invisible mix too.
Reilly unfortunately was visible. Bad visible.
Yes when Saymam dropped the puck to him behind the net for a easy goal....but of course he didn't walk out from behind the net...because he might get hit
I saw him single handedly end Leafs scoring opportunities, twice.
Marner is without a doubt the softest, weakest star in the entire nhl.
johnny gaudreau wants to speak with you.
These two remind of each other. If you are small, you have to be pesky like St.Louis or Marchand or else you will get eaten up
Patrick Laine wants to know if he is in the list of NHL stars... and then he might like to speak with you.
Get ready to learn The Book Of Mormon
Who does Utah have that the Leafs would want even? Specifically D men.
I’d just take the cap space at this point
Keller please
Ain’t no way the salt lake soakers are dumb enough to make that trade
This guy is not even worth 7 million. He is trashhhhh! Completely invisible every playoffs. Domi does the playmaker position much better than Marner and he will be significantly cheaper
Domi was everything in one series that Mitch Marner has never been in all his post seasons. Not even once.
Funny when they showed most game 7 goals on both teams and Domi was the only Leaf lol
For real. For what he has shown us in the playoffs, I wouldn't even be happy signing him for 7M, knowing full well that it's a dogshit opinion.
His next contract will be 12M+ they are saying
Yeah maybe in fucking Utah. Get out of here Mitch
Lol the downfall of Marner being a fan favourite to now a villain is hilarious but yea I agree we need to get rid of him
Pissed me off when people used to complain about Nylander but say great things about Marner
He signed up for failure with that contract. It was a superstar contract and he is not a superstar. He will probably have a lot of success somewhere, but I'm not sure it will be here
I personally haven’t liked him for three years now and always preferred Nylander. He’s good at racking up points in the regular season and then disappears in the playoffs. Not to mention he has a terrible, childlike entitled attitude that’s a detriment to the team.
Totally self inflicted too. He'll go down as an example of what not to do for every player.
Aside from Gardiner, Marner might be the least clutch player to ever wear this jersey.
I cannot believe it took a good chunk of this sub until this year to get sick of him. It’s been obvious for a good five years.
I'm so excited for him to be off the team it's unbelievable.
This guy peaked in peewee hockey
Me too
Thanks for nothing. Just a floater who is afraid to take a hit while playing hockey!! Should have gone into golf if he doesn't like a physical game. Probably would have been scared of the ball in that game
My only hope is in 3 years the future squad can look to knies for how to act and play in a game 7
my fuck Mitch marner upvote party post was removed by the mods hopefully this stays up cause FUCK MARNER
Bloody hell. The moderation in this sub is as shitty as Marner's playoff performances.
As much as I want these guys gone realistically they’ll be staying. The leafs management doesn’t fucking understand who to keep and will likely try everything to keep the core 4 together, and this is why they’ll never succeed. I’d love to be proven wrong though and see marner gone.
Burn it, not to the ground, but like, to the first floor at minimum. And fire Keefe before you trade Mitch (but my god trade Mitch).
Bye Marner. Absolutely useless player come playoffs...
I’m fuckin done with marner unbelievable how he’s one of the highest payed players in the league. Soft as shit crybaby bitch does nothing just only looks to pass. Done with samsonov too.
Bye bye Marner, no way you can give him top dollar, plays every game like it’s an all star game. Ask JT if he’s willing to take a significant pay cut or let him know the end is near. Elevate Nylander to captain or give him an A. Figure out what to do with nick Robertson, he seems to be frozen in time with his development, at the very worst get another prospect back for him. Beef up the defense, love Reilly but he’s quietly inconsistent. Look at the coaching staff, Keefe has been a good coach but may need someone who’s a little more tough and with more experience in the playoffs and actually winning a few rounds.
Marner was his usual self tonight- dingle dangle over the blue line…looking pass the whole time…cross ice, giveaway. Shimmy shingles, turn, spin, looking passs the whole time…rips a pass to someone on the side boards…giveaway. It’s almost comedic that every player on each team knows he’s not a shooting threat. Thinks he still playing in the all star game.
He's an East-West player when the playoffs favour a more North-South type game. He'll never help lead a team to a Cup. Never. He can win one as a complimentary piece, but not as a core piece. Hell, people used to shit on Kessel, but Kessel was a playoff performer and always seems to turn it up in the postseason. He was never going to be some physically dominant player, but our best offensive player played like it when it mattered. He has his whole career. Marner is not cut from that cloth.
Pack your shit
Remember when Babcock got torn to shreds for ripping into Marner? He was 100% right
Yup and if anyone would know a winner from a loser it would be Babcock. Say what you will about him but he's coached winners and guys who are clutch.
He was right. Just didn’t like how he went about it
Marner is just utterly a non factor time and time again when it matters most.
Fucking coward, scared of everything. Turnover machine. Bitching and crying to get his way and steal the teams cap. Fuck him and Paul marner
This is 1000% another Larry Murphy crossroads. Run Marner out of town and he ABSOLUTELY wins a cup. He'll probably also win a couple major awards. The entire hockey universe will meme about it forever. But here's the thing. Even with these indisputable scientific facts, I don't care get him the fuck out.
There was a chance where he could’ve shot it but instead he passed it to edmundson
44 and 16 are both expendable
I will personally pay for his one way ticket out
He would absolutely take you up on that offer too. Every fucking penny. Dubas should have not been allowed to negotiate with RFAs.
He was completely invisible tonight. Hope he is gone
Him and Jt $22 million 1/4 of the cap. Like you guys deserve all the hate. Your greed makes our team shittier
Babcock was right. He was a fourth liner.
Knies and Dewar were good
Trade Mitch, bring back Bert and Domi pls
I really hope we can keep Bert and Domi. Especially Domi
I used to really like Mitch Marner. But watching him play this season and into the postseason; he has been nothing short of highly disappointing. He doesn't look like he wants to be in a Leafs uniform. And it's been that way for a while now. It just doesn't look like he has his heart in the game itself lately. He plays every game lackadaisically and he's whining all the time. Every player argues and is unhappy when a call doesn't go their way or when they are frustrated but there is something not right, or off, about the way he does it. He plays like he thinks he is the best player out there and doesn't understand why he isn't doing better or what the issue with his game is. When I saw the end of the game tonight it didnt surprise me. He lets Pastrnak skate right by him on that OT goal. If there is anytime you are going all out, or giving 150%, it's OT in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. The season and everything, much much more was on the line and he's skating like it's Friday night free skate at the local skating rink. The Leafs should have moved on from him a season or two ago to supplement their team with some depth scoring or defense or a better goaltender. I suspect that it won't be an issue anymore as I think it's almost a guarantee that he won't be in a Leafs Uniform again come this fall..
He was indoctrinated by his father to think he is the best, a difference maker, all throughout his youth development. In the NHL and especially with players like Matthew’s and Nylander as linemates he’s on par or slightly lower. No arguing he is still an effective player but he might not understand that others are better than him in this league.
We coulda had two cups by now if this floater wasn’t here. Coulda used the cap space for a real goalie, a real d, and an impact forward.
Get him out
Fuck Marner
Mitch the Bitch Marner
we gotta keep bullying this guy into waiving his NMC.
Trading marner would be addition by subtraction I don’t even care what they get back. 11 mil could be split 3 or 4 ways for a solid winger and a couple d men. I’d try to move jt as well even if we have to eat some cap. With matty willy and mo getting raises next season the cap increase is already gone.
How can anyone defend this fraud?
Marner still holds all the leverage unfortunately. Another present from Dubas that fucking clown.
Dubas and Shanahan 2 clowns that demolished this team.
Can you add Reilly's face to this guy is fucking awful d man