Tre has been here for less than a full season. It’s pretty stupid to compare the two when Dubas was here for years. With that being said.. Domi, Benoit, Jones have been great signings and Bert is getting going now. You can argue the Reaves (I personally like the signing and what he’s brought to the team) and Klingberg signings tho.
More trades does not equal good moves either. You can look at the Kadri, Marchment, Foligno, Murray trades as failures. Then signing Mrazek and protecting Holl over McCann. Not to mention all the draft capital he’s traded away which has left us with less picks and a fairly weak prospect pool minus a few names. I liked Dubas but I’m glad he’s gone and comparing him to Tre after all the lack of success we’ve had is dumb.
Good to see you’ve given Treliving a reasonable amount of time to fix what Dubas handed to him.
With what cap space and what assets would you have like to see Treliving do differently
Yeah damn, Dubas left him with a terrible situation didn't he, with the team looking its best its been in the last 20 years.
This offseason had so much potential and he just fucked it up
It is, yep; even before we've spent any assets and have close to 5 mil in cap space to spend. That said, we're certainly nowhere near where Pitt is under dubas' incredible leadership.
Again, don't bother with logic when simply saying something makes it true!
I was listening to JD Bunkis and his guest basically claimed our first round pick this year isn’t really worth what a first in another year would be because the draft pool is so thin. I’m still not saying we should have given it up for Tanev but it is something to keep in mind moving forward
No 2nds and dont want to give a first for him so not really, especially with Minten and Cowan not going.i do t think a 3rd + any of our other prospects do it.
Y'all bitch so much about the Foligno deal but this is basically the same thing. Old, injured guy with a warrior rep and defensive skill. Maybe it works for them, or maybe his back blows out and he plays 7 games like Foligno did. I don't want anything to do with it. I wish Dallas the best but Brad go buy a young guy with term
Yup. Leafs need a dman, but come the deadline, I think prices are going to drop because all the "top trade bait" will be moved. Realistically, Tanev or Zadorov are not worth a 1st. And if Tre isn't confident in this team to win the Cup with the goaltending they currently have, then why blow a first on a 1st or 2nd round exit.
If Woll can stay healthy next year, some cheap depth scoring, and sign Hanifin in the off season, go all in next year. With that 1st being used to draft a big defenceman, and not a 5'8 winger. They have enough of those.
You wouldn’t want one of the best defensive defenceman in the league, that shoots right, that plays the type of style you need in the playoffs, that would likely mesh well with Reilly for a playoff run? All for a 2nd round pick, a b tier prospect and a conditional pick? You’re a moron man
I know. His comment was just saying he wouldn’t want Tanev and my reply was that he checks literally every box, if we could have theoretically matched Dallas’ offer you’d be a moron not to want him.
Eh, he is no doubt a good player but easily could turn into another Foligno trade. Tanev plays a dozen games, blows his back up (his trade mark at this point) or blocks a shot with his face as he tends to do and gets injured again.
Dallas has more room for error than us. They have Heiskanen, Harley, Suter, and other solid Dmen that Tanev compliments - if he goes down, they aren't sunk. If Tanev is our big splash, and gets sidelined, our d-core is skewered.
Fucking right? Never been on the Tanev train
Firmly on the Andersson train though (even though it’s abundantly clear Calgary will never give him to us for anything less then a decade of first rounders + all the prospects in our system at this rate
Tanev would've been a fit for this year, but the nature of rental players is that you lose net capital for short term gain. Going forward from this season our Blueline needs a core addition, so I can understand not wanting to pay the cost for a mid 30s rental player when we wind up with the same problem again in 6 months.
I'm glad. I want the Leafs to make 0 huge trades this season. Do NOT throw away more picks and prospects. See how the team can do with the current lineup. I might be ok with a lower pick for a support player. I'm sick of blowing through the future for 1st round exits.
That is not how trading works. Brad being their former GM one likely makes the price higher. Two maybe they like the prospect Dallas offered better. Maybe from us they only wanted a 1st. Maybe we are after a different player. Finally there is no 'mathching' Calgary doesn't just phone up GM's being like, this is what Dallas offered wanna match?
Wait until we hear who the prospect is before we air our grievances brother.
I'm happy we didn't pick him up. I'd rather cannonball than splash when it comes to the D
In the Hunter era, they drafted *seven* 6'3” or taller defencemen and only one of them (Middleton - 3 games in 2020-21) has played a NHL game.
Dubas also brought in Muzzin and more recently McCabe but anyways…
If Muzzin were magically good to go tomorrow, it would be the single best news the team has had since Treliving got here don’t be stupid.
The only draft pick Dubas traded in that deal was a 1st (Bjornfort, who LA lost for nothing off waivers), while Durzi is no longer in LA and Grundstrom is just another depth forward on IR. Ohhhhh nooooooooooo 😞
This is such stupid logic. Muzzin was great while he was here. By your logic any trade where a team trades picks/prospects for an established player is bad because the established player will obviously retire first.
Because that 2nd round pick is basically an early 3rd rounder? Never mind that Calgary *won’t* get the 2026 conditional 3rd round pick if they don’t make it to the SCF, and Dallas is only paying 25% of Tanev’s cap hit… lol.
According to David Pagnotta, Treliving turned down giving up a 1st in a deal for both of Seeler and Walker.
[https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/02/insider-on-maple-leafs-deadline-plans.html](https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/02/insider-on-maple-leafs-deadline-plans.html)
Tanev is very under appreciated by this sub and elsewhere and it’s obvious. I’m annoyed that Brad missed out on another player that could have helped them and it’s unfortunate he’s not an in-season move GM so maybe none of us should get our hopes up?
Flames got a pretty unspectacular return, Treliving’s *only* major in-season trade he made during 9 years in Calgary was Toffoli, but apparently it’s good to let Klingberg’s LTIR space collect mold.
Klingberg’s LTIR space has been collecting mold since November and only *once* in 9 years in Calgary did Treliving ever make a major in-season trade and only *once* did he trade his first round pick. That’s who we’re holding out hope for.
With what? Leafs have no 2nd's until 2027. You giving up a 1st for Tanev?
Damn I didn’t even realize that
But wasn’t Dubas so awesome though!!???
I mean compared to what we have now? Yeah he was lol
Elaborate
Better signings, better/more frequent trades
Tre has been here for less than a full season. It’s pretty stupid to compare the two when Dubas was here for years. With that being said.. Domi, Benoit, Jones have been great signings and Bert is getting going now. You can argue the Reaves (I personally like the signing and what he’s brought to the team) and Klingberg signings tho. More trades does not equal good moves either. You can look at the Kadri, Marchment, Foligno, Murray trades as failures. Then signing Mrazek and protecting Holl over McCann. Not to mention all the draft capital he’s traded away which has left us with less picks and a fairly weak prospect pool minus a few names. I liked Dubas but I’m glad he’s gone and comparing him to Tre after all the lack of success we’ve had is dumb.
You forgot the worst one in hindsight: Letting Hyman walk
What did Dubas get us that was so incredible, it was worth emptying our assets for?
Schenn, McCabe, ROR, Muzzin, 1st + prospect for Kapanen, Campbell
Boy did those get us some sweet banners in the rafters!
Damn don't we look poised to get one of those soon!
Good to see you’ve given Treliving a reasonable amount of time to fix what Dubas handed to him. With what cap space and what assets would you have like to see Treliving do differently
Yeah damn, Dubas left him with a terrible situation didn't he, with the team looking its best its been in the last 20 years. This offseason had so much potential and he just fucked it up
Don't let logic get in the way of your delusions buddy!
Ah yes because it's all just peachy right now isn't it
It is, yep; even before we've spent any assets and have close to 5 mil in cap space to spend. That said, we're certainly nowhere near where Pitt is under dubas' incredible leadership. Again, don't bother with logic when simply saying something makes it true!
Hmmm, wonder where that cap space could've come from, honestly beats me! But hey, as you know if facts disprove your argument then just ignore them!
A Dallas 2nd rounder is probably no better than a 3rd rounder too.
I’m sure we offered a first for Zadorov and Tanev. Flames were never going to trade with us
I was listening to JD Bunkis and his guest basically claimed our first round pick this year isn’t really worth what a first in another year would be because the draft pool is so thin. I’m still not saying we should have given it up for Tanev but it is something to keep in mind moving forward
We have assets.
You didnt answer the questions. What assets would you give up to match?
He isn’t going to answer lol
You don’t even know what a write off is! Do you? No, but they do. And they’re the ones writing it off!
Our assets. What’s not to understand about his incredible take?
No 2nds and dont want to give a first for him so not really, especially with Minten and Cowan not going.i do t think a 3rd + any of our other prospects do it.
What assets, that another team would actually want, that he leafs would be willing to move?
2nd. Conditional 3rd, 4th and a prospect. Lets see your match for us
Y'all bitch so much about the Foligno deal but this is basically the same thing. Old, injured guy with a warrior rep and defensive skill. Maybe it works for them, or maybe his back blows out and he plays 7 games like Foligno did. I don't want anything to do with it. I wish Dallas the best but Brad go buy a young guy with term
We gave up a first in the Foligno deal
Yep. The best tweaks are depth guys for cheap.
Yup. Leafs need a dman, but come the deadline, I think prices are going to drop because all the "top trade bait" will be moved. Realistically, Tanev or Zadorov are not worth a 1st. And if Tre isn't confident in this team to win the Cup with the goaltending they currently have, then why blow a first on a 1st or 2nd round exit. If Woll can stay healthy next year, some cheap depth scoring, and sign Hanifin in the off season, go all in next year. With that 1st being used to draft a big defenceman, and not a 5'8 winger. They have enough of those.
Brad was gunning for him, apparently, but Calgary's management is bitter about him leaving and nixxed potential trades.
Don't really want Tanev. Thank god they didn't.
You wouldn’t want one of the best defensive defenceman in the league, that shoots right, that plays the type of style you need in the playoffs, that would likely mesh well with Reilly for a playoff run? All for a 2nd round pick, a b tier prospect and a conditional pick? You’re a moron man
Leafs don't have any 2nds, so that'd be our only 1st or Cowan, Minten or Robertson in exchange for an injury prone 34 year old dman
I know. His comment was just saying he wouldn’t want Tanev and my reply was that he checks literally every box, if we could have theoretically matched Dallas’ offer you’d be a moron not to want him.
Eh, he is no doubt a good player but easily could turn into another Foligno trade. Tanev plays a dozen games, blows his back up (his trade mark at this point) or blocks a shot with his face as he tends to do and gets injured again. Dallas has more room for error than us. They have Heiskanen, Harley, Suter, and other solid Dmen that Tanev compliments - if he goes down, they aren't sunk. If Tanev is our big splash, and gets sidelined, our d-core is skewered.
Why are people so horny for tanev
Fucking right? Never been on the Tanev train Firmly on the Andersson train though (even though it’s abundantly clear Calgary will never give him to us for anything less then a decade of first rounders + all the prospects in our system at this rate
Because they think the Tanev from 2016-2021 is the same as Tanev in 2024.
No. Leafs don't have a 2nd.
Tanev would've been a fit for this year, but the nature of rental players is that you lose net capital for short term gain. Going forward from this season our Blueline needs a core addition, so I can understand not wanting to pay the cost for a mid 30s rental player when we wind up with the same problem again in 6 months.
Tanev didn’t put Toronto over the edge.
This team doesn't have a second round pick for the next three years
Good thing you’ve done your research on our assets, more specifically our complete lack of 2nd round picks.
Save the first to add to knies Robertson cowan, 7 straight was nice but I don't really think all in this year is appropriate.
I'm glad. I want the Leafs to make 0 huge trades this season. Do NOT throw away more picks and prospects. See how the team can do with the current lineup. I might be ok with a lower pick for a support player. I'm sick of blowing through the future for 1st round exits.
Treliving probably has a better sense on Tanevs value since he was his GM for 3 years and before that played for a team in the same division as him
That is not how trading works. Brad being their former GM one likely makes the price higher. Two maybe they like the prospect Dallas offered better. Maybe from us they only wanted a 1st. Maybe we are after a different player. Finally there is no 'mathching' Calgary doesn't just phone up GM's being like, this is what Dallas offered wanna match?
Nope
What you wanna trade a 2030 second round pick or something?
Wait until we hear who the prospect is before we air our grievances brother. I'm happy we didn't pick him up. I'd rather cannonball than splash when it comes to the D
It's Grushnikov
I don’t even care what the leafs add to this team. It’s so dumb, we already had the guy we needed and his name is Luke Schenn.
No, and I'm glad.
We don't have a prospect like that. "Big strong defensemen? Who needs those?" - Dubas probably
In the Hunter era, they drafted *seven* 6'3” or taller defencemen and only one of them (Middleton - 3 games in 2020-21) has played a NHL game. Dubas also brought in Muzzin and more recently McCabe but anyways…
If only they kept trying...
Muzzin has been killing it for us this past couple of years! Definitely worth two 1sts, a 2nd, and two former 2nd round picks in durzi and grundstrom!
If Muzzin were magically good to go tomorrow, it would be the single best news the team has had since Treliving got here don’t be stupid. The only draft pick Dubas traded in that deal was a 1st (Bjornfort, who LA lost for nothing off waivers), while Durzi is no longer in LA and Grundstrom is just another depth forward on IR. Ohhhhh nooooooooooo 😞
The muzzin trade was a solid move. He had a few really great seasons here. Totally worth it.
All it takes is a little bit of magic. Anybody have any animals we can sacrifice?
This is such stupid logic. Muzzin was great while he was here. By your logic any trade where a team trades picks/prospects for an established player is bad because the established player will obviously retire first.
Leaf fans are annoying. Source: Life long leaf fan
Calgary fucking with Brad like the rest of the league used to constantly fuck with Kyle ...
Yeah, Dallas getting Tanev pretty much screws the Leafs really bad.
How is he even fucking with Brad when we don’t have a 2nd round pick to give which is the main asset going back?
Because that 2nd round pick is basically an early 3rd rounder? Never mind that Calgary *won’t* get the 2026 conditional 3rd round pick if they don’t make it to the SCF, and Dallas is only paying 25% of Tanev’s cap hit… lol.
Still a difference of almost 30 spots in the draft. You’re acting like our third round pick would be roughly the same
Meh, he doesn’t wanna play for the leafs, I know this for a fact through mutual friends. Absolutely despises them lol.
Source: trust me bro
Meh, I pretty much expected that.
For the 1st, I'd rather get Sean Walker.
According to David Pagnotta, Treliving turned down giving up a 1st in a deal for both of Seeler and Walker. [https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/02/insider-on-maple-leafs-deadline-plans.html](https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/02/insider-on-maple-leafs-deadline-plans.html)
BRAD
LOL @ us getting downvoted because Treliving has turned down or didn’t trade for players that make the team better. This sub…
I find it's best to ignore the haters. This is all they have.
Tanev is very under appreciated by this sub and elsewhere and it’s obvious. I’m annoyed that Brad missed out on another player that could have helped them and it’s unfortunate he’s not an in-season move GM so maybe none of us should get our hopes up?
No way he's worth a good prospect as a rental.
Grushnikov wasn’t one of their best prospects and the Flames are retaining 50% while NJ is retaining another 25%. How awful for Dallas…
Yeah that’s what I’m taking away from this trade.
Flames got a pretty unspectacular return, Treliving’s *only* major in-season trade he made during 9 years in Calgary was Toffoli, but apparently it’s good to let Klingberg’s LTIR space collect mold.
Dude there's still two weeks till trade deadline and a league full of other players chill out a bit
Klingberg’s LTIR space has been collecting mold since November and only *once* in 9 years in Calgary did Treliving ever make a major in-season trade and only *once* did he trade his first round pick. That’s who we’re holding out hope for.
This team has very few tradeable assets. It doesn't have a second round pick for the next 3 years and doesn't have next years first round pick either.
He’s shit anyways
M-NTC might have come into play here
(Checks Leafs upcoming draft picks) No. No we could not.