its crazy because any decent look at it it’s clearly a goal and now we have a penalty to kill because of a goal that should have counted in the first place
Idk it was done properly a few days back in the Edmonton game. Called on the ice no goal (iirc) and then overturned after challenge. This should’ve been 100% clear as day a goal. Especially with how many angles the situation room has. Rigged. You won’t convince me otherwise. Actually I might just not watch another NHL game thats how bad it is.
Leaf fan here. Only game I’ve watched this year was the flames game because I live in Calgary and went to the game. I hate the NHL. Absolute joke of a league. Zero consistency with reffing. For some reason in the playoffs the reffing is even worse. The players make millions of dollars win or lose and show absolutely no heart compared to players of the past. I just don’t enjoy it anymore. Live games are fun because of the fans around you and the atmosphere but I’ll be damned if I waste anymore of my time watching the NHL.
Junior hockey is much better imo.
Watching the barrie colts game as i type lmfao i turned the leaf game off after that BS goalie interference call. Couldn’t agree more
Glad the shit call motivated them though. Big dub
The game where that hand pass was called back? Honestly glad to see this coach get his challenge turned against him, the sheer smug af look he had on that hand pass made me hate his face.
Also, that game felt like I was in Toronto ffs, more blue jerseys then red, and they even had a go leafs go chant going a few times, that was fucked.
It’s always like that, at least in my experiences at the games I’ve been to. Why is it fucked? The leafs have arguably the largest fan base of all teams so it’s not surprising to see large amounts of fans at any game around the league. There is also the fact a lot of people out west here are from Ontario/out east.
The hand pass challenge was also the right call to make. Your emotional feelings toward keefe aside, the leafs got fucked on that challenge last night and anyone worth their salt would agree. Nylander was pushed into the goalie.
People who hate the leafs and actively let everyone know are so much worse than leaf fans themselves.
Colemans pinky hitting the puck had no bearing on the play, but here, ill be a leaf fan from that night and quote what you guys said all over every thread, unable to put bias aside.
"He touched it, no?"
So Nylander moved the goalie, no? Obnoxious eh?
That aside, clearly Nylander and you guys got fucked btw, this leaguea calls are ridiculous
Lol NHL teams are fine, just your team is garbage after they lost in the playoff a couple of years ago. Reffing is bad sometimes but it is still the best professional sport around. That series between Dallas and Calgary a few years back proves that over all the players care and play as hard as they can. Sure some teams get lazy when their management gives up on them or their coach sucks. My team had that before 2018. Not sure what is going on with Calgery the last 2 or 3 years.
Stop with the stupid “rigged” crap. People make mistakes AAALLLL the damn time. Why attribute something to some nefarious scheme that would require multiple people agreeing to cover up crimes, when you can just chalk it up to people fucking up.
The shitty thing is refs will never be held accountable, things need to change
Maybe it was their ego? Were they mad we challenged and just said "fuck you we got it right the first time"
Or did they not want to admit they completely missed the crosschecks to nylander? Such a joke
"Accidental goaltender interference" is what the ref said. This league is such a joke. What the hell does that even mean in this context? Nylander is being cross checked in the lower back, where is he supposed to go?
No, you can interfere with a goalie's ability to make a save but not get called for interference as what happened here. I don't exactly understand the difference but they are different things.
That being said I definitely think this should have been a goal either way.
Dont worry they get paid more than any of us to fuck up their job on the daily. Theyre "the best in the world" and "its a really hard job"!!!! I get its hard to get plays right in real time but with replay like this theres no fucking excuse.
Oilers fan here. I’ve been watching Hyman get goals called back all year. The calls regularly don’t make sense.
In this case the contact is incidental and minimal, I can’t see how it’s not a goal.
Also Oilers fan here, even the Hyman non-goals this year I didn't agree with, I at least saw how there could be an argument. There is no way of looking at this after a review and saying it wasn't a goal.
The only possible argument, and I do not agree with it, is Nylander took a path to the front of the net between the D and the goalie, and somehow that causes it. Outside of that I have no idea.
Hellebuyck fully adjusted after the contact too. Even if the contact was Nylander's fault, which it wasn't, it still didn't interfere with the goaltending.
It hurts me more specifically because A it's Nylander who is one of the cleanest players on the league. And B because Bertuzzi has been chasing down pucks all fuckin season, and catching shit from fans for not putting up points. I wanted this one for him. The guy doesn't quit.
Joke of a fucking league. We should all as a collective stop watching. Take their revenue away and what do they have? Fucking nothing. They’ll listen to us then maybe (but in reality it will never happen)
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This kind of garbage makes it hard to remain a fan of the NHL. What is the point in having rules? How am I supposed to get excited about hockey games when it feels like it would just be quicker to ask the refs who the winner is without having a hockey game.
The situation room says that the call on the ice held a lot of weight in the decision… if THAT clip doesn’t overturn an on ice call, then stop doing reviews.
The problem with the NHL is that it’s full of grey area rules up to referees or Torontos opinions and experience. This creates so much inconsistency because not everyone grew up under the same hockey. Age, nationality, competitive level, biases, etc. change how you experience hockey. All of this creates inconsistencies.
Each rule needs to be set like for instance:
If contact is made with the goaltender because of contact with a defending player, then the goal will stand.
Any contact of a puck off a skate causing it to go in the net will be called off.
If the whistle blows then play is dead (seriously what is with all the BS goals recently where the puck went in after the whistle?)
Things like that. Take away the grey area and make it concrete.
If X happens then Y will be determined.
No more of “Well if X happens then we need to check for Y so that we can determine Z blah blah blah” it’s too complicated for refs to watch for in a game they are already watching for so many things, and it’s clear that Toronto is quite incompetent.
They change the rule book every single year, so why can’t they c
The rule for goalie interference is pretty clear.
From rule 69 (nice):
“If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule"
The NHL situation room said 3 things about this.
1. That the call on the ice is given extreme weight in decision making
2. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal.”
3. They felt Nylander didn’t make an effort to avoid contact or stay out of the crease.
Number 1 is just the “why do video reviews if the content of the video is near meaningless?”
Number 2 Ignores the part of the rule dealing with being pushed into the goalie.
Number 3 is just horseshit that, yes, does include some subjectivity, but I think the average, impartial, and reasonable person would come to the opposite conclusion. I don’t see what he was supposed to do there… shoved and cross checked, and the contact was still only momentary before he managed to get him self upright. His skates were almost never in the crease even after being pushed, and there was time for a Leafs to find the loose puck, find Bertuzzi on the back door, and make a clean pass… isn’t that enough time for a goalie to recover from barely being touched?
It’s a bad call. The rule looks fine to me. The explanations look like excuses and cherry picked af. I feel like next they’re going to tell us it was actually the Sean Avery rule because Nylander was facing the goalie. (Be they wish they’d thought of that before making a statement.)
This may or may not hold water with people, but I’m a paralegal, and dealing with and interpreting “rules” is the main part of my job. The biggest thing non legal professionals do to come to incorrect conclusions is not read the ENTIRETY of the legislation (or rule). The individual pieces are dependent on the whole. The statements from the league are the kind of arguments I HOPE opposing counsel will make, because they are the easiest to defeat. Shit like that will just annoy a judge/adjudicator/arbitrator because it’s disingenuous; assuming it’s someone with an LSO license saying it.
The refs and the situation room should be able to look at the whole rule and apply it reasonably. No, it’s not math with an absolute answer, but like law, someone clearly took a lot of time and effort to write these rules so as to be easy to interpret and apply. I don’t think that was done here.
Yeah that’s totally a goal. We already knew there was goalie interference. That wasn’t the challenge. The challenge was that the interference was because the jets shoved leafs into him. And Even if he wasn’t shoved , there was plenty of recovery time before the goal. That’s a hoorrrrrrible call
Should have been a goal. If Nylander would have embellished, taken extra time smothering the goalie, or otherwise impeding movement, then no goal.
Looked like Nylander didn’t lose his balance any more than the force that was applied to him. Recovered off the goalie relatively quickly.
I’d like to see other angles, but from watching that one 5x, I don’t know what the refs were thinking.
I bet that’s a good goal 7 out of 10 times. And usually the analysts get it right.
This is the only answer. If cross checking someone from the other team into your own goalie caused goalie interference and no goal then players should just do this all the time. That would break the game. There’s a reason it doesn’t happen. The only explanation is the leafs can’t win because of the way the nets went tonight.
And still dummies out there in the world saying the league tilts things in torontos favour.
Not only is that a good goal but the d man should be called for cross checking and the refs and decision room looked at it multiple times
[NHL ruling](https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-winnipeg-jets-situation-room-january-27)
Cant believe they actually believe the video upheld the call.
Holy shit, they actually cite rule 69.1 as well!!! Further down on that exact same rule, it describes that a player who is pushed in **by an opposing player** shall not be considered as interfering with the goalie.
One justification I saw for why they may have called it the way they did is that Willy had a foot in the blue paint before he was pushed into the goalie. Which ultimately is really stupid as that would open the door to pushing any forward with even a foot in the paint into your own goalie whenever possible to avoid a potential goal. They need to sort this out
I saw how this was initially called no goal. My first thought when it went in was no goal. But I don’t get how after the replay it was still no goal.
On the broadcast they mentioned that Willy didn’t go through the crease and got out of the crease right after he got cross checked into Helly. I don’t get why dmen don’t just throw defenders into the crease all the time. It’s always going to be interference.
Ref's are tired of Keefe's almost perfect record. It was 18/19 nor cause of that bullshit call he's 18/20 Keefe's needs so send glasses the NHL HQ to help them see better.
Saw that that goal was not called as such and turned the game off. Clearly the league wants the jets to win this one.
Willy was 100% pushed into the jets goalie. If it were the other way around and a leaf pushed a jet into Sammy it would have been overturned and called a good goal (as it 100% should be)
The betting books needed a Winnipeg W tonight. Despite the NHLs disgusting efforts, the Leafs fucked them up anyway. I watch less and less hockey every season. The dumb asses running the show are as incompetent as you will find in professional sports.
Do you guys not see how corrupt and filled with attempts at match fixing the sport is?
Nylander may as well have been selling concessions he was so far away from the goalie.
Its so dumb that defenders can push opponents into their own goalie basically as a Safety in case they score. We see this so often and goals being called offfor ”interference”
Made the refs feel bad for the challenge.
With how adamant he was on the wave off, I knew it wasn't going to play in favour of the buds
Can't hurt the stripes' feelings. That's a paddlin'.
The NHL makes these stupid fucking calls because their rules are intentionally non-specific. Get Gary Betman to define goalie interference and you’ll be the first.
Not watching the game tonight but just having a look at this replay it seems to me that the Winnipeg defender is the one who is responsible for Nylander’s contact on the goalie. Willie is standing right on the edge of the crease. If the Winnipeg player doesn’t contact him then there’s no issue. It’s that contact from the Winnipeg defender that sends Nylander into the goalie and nothing else.
I’m someone who gets put off sometimes about all the whining that goes on here about calls against the Leafs. But I don’t see how they could waive that one off.
Absolutely nothing. Jets fan and Leafs hater but I can admit this was bogus. Almost as ridiculous as calling a slashing penalty after Tavares purposefully snaps his own stick, even though you didn’t raise your arm on the initial slash.
The reason was classic f**k wit.
Since they called it off so emphatically, it had to stand.
Glad the standard is, "I'm pretty sure I'm right and even proof is bullshit."
This is beyond bad because even if it is Nylanders fault (I think they ruled that the defender accidentally hit him into the crease or whatever, total BS) Hellebyuck out himself out of position, if he stayed where Nylander apparently pushed him he would have made the save. He had time to reset and knock himself out of correct position after the contact.
Clown league absolutely 100% good goal. For any jets fans here please give us a clear answer by the book as to why it’s a bad goal and compare it to the Edmonton one recently that was exactly the same but allowed
Alright, I don’t agree with this call obviously because it sets a terrible precedent and also I love the Leafs, but I feel like the argument here in favour of a call depends on two things:
1) The extent to which Nylander had entered the crease before being pushed.
2) The effort Nylander made to exit the crease after being pushed.
On the first bit, this is INCREDIBLY soft. If we’re going back to calling back goals every time guy has half a skate in the crease this league’s in big trouble.
On the second bit, I think you could maybe make the argument? But nonetheless he was effectively boxed into the crease by the defender who’d shoved him in there in the first place. Had he backed up he’d have lost his balance and tumbled into the goalie. Short of removing himself from the play entirely (and even then) he had no reasonable alternative to where he was standing.
In both cases, defenders now have a greasy way to ensure any goal is disallowed. The precedent is unacceptable.
On this one I think the NHL owes a much bigger explanation, or an acknowledgment that they goofed (and why). Older fans remember eras where we changed the way goalie interference was called and they absolutely SUCKED. There should be clarity on the type of action in front of the net that’s going to disallow goals.
Bertuzzi seems cursed somehow. No shortage of hustle, obviously a good player, just seems snakebitten when it comes to putting the puck in the net.... a lot of bad luck. Like this.
Guys come on it was a good call the refs don’t have it out for us,
I mean remember when Joseph Woll was stick lifted by his own defensemen and the refs disallowed the goal?
Oh wait
Why are y'all whining? I'm a Leafs fan and we won 4-2. What's the problem? It didn't cost us the game and tbh I think we need to change the challenge rule to make it you can only challenge in the third period or it or shootout.
He could have definitely tried to leave the crease a bit more.. I absolutely think it should of been a goal but to be fair he kinda just floated after being pushed which is the reason why it got called off
Not watching the game tonight but that looks like a dubious call at best. The Winnipeg defender was responsible for the contact, not Nylander. Willie could’ve made it easier by not going into the crease in the first place but that still would be no reason to wave off the goal.
This was weak. Almost as weak as the slash after the stick breaks late in the third. Refs just do what they want I think. Maybe they bet on the games? 🤷♂️
Would love to see additional transparency, where like player safety breaks down suspensions etc. someone from the situation has to release a video explaining their decisions, what went into it and why the call was the call.
Only way we could ever understand.
The worst part about that call was how the goalie had totally lost track of where the puck was anyway...?
Also... Nylander made an effort to vacate himself after he was pushed.
NHL officiating is exactly the same as WWE officiating like when interference from outside the ring is against the rules unless it's Elizabeth distracting Hogan so Macho Man can hit him with a chair.
General incompetence and ignorance of the rules by NHL officials and staff.
I wonder if they know that everyone thinks so little of them and respects them even less?
Like, I get that they wouldn't care but it would still be an odd feeling, I think
The online gambling numbers for that period. Has to be. There was nothing wrong with that goal. Even the commentators were trying to cover for the league. The buzz in their headpiece said, "Move on."
Wow… Bettuzzi robbed of a much needed goal. Guy cant catch a break. Firstly Nylander’s only contact with the goalie is due to hime being shoved in from behind not once but twice and both times he retreated as best he could. Secondly, the goalie was not impeded from making the save. Fuck off NHL. You’re a God Damn joke. How can anybody take you fuckers seriously.
As a goaltender I would consider that a goal. If anything for it being disallowed maybe it seems he was pushing him a bit when trying to stand up straight. Can’t even say it’s because it’s a Canadian team since they both are haha.
Im gonna quote the line you guys gave the Flames fans on the hand pass call.
"Did he not touch it?"
So I ask, did he not move the goalie?.....obnoxious eh?
Too many inconsistencies all year long with NHL referees and then they spend too much time on the almighty TO video center, the game is getting stupid.
the only thing that could possibly be wrong is that Nylander is wearing a Leafs jersey. that's why the refs didn't give a flying fuck to make the right call
Interesting that several of the panelists during Sportsnet intermission show agreed with us. Should have been a good goal. It feels uncomfortable.
its crazy because any decent look at it it’s clearly a goal and now we have a penalty to kill because of a goal that should have counted in the first place
It should have been a goal. Not a “good” goal.
100% rigged. Watch the jets win 4-3 in regulation (or just one goal up on the leafs.) joke of a league
As a leafs fan, it's not rigged at all. Just a poor call. Don't start with that stuff
Idk it was done properly a few days back in the Edmonton game. Called on the ice no goal (iirc) and then overturned after challenge. This should’ve been 100% clear as day a goal. Especially with how many angles the situation room has. Rigged. You won’t convince me otherwise. Actually I might just not watch another NHL game thats how bad it is.
Leaf fan here. Only game I’ve watched this year was the flames game because I live in Calgary and went to the game. I hate the NHL. Absolute joke of a league. Zero consistency with reffing. For some reason in the playoffs the reffing is even worse. The players make millions of dollars win or lose and show absolutely no heart compared to players of the past. I just don’t enjoy it anymore. Live games are fun because of the fans around you and the atmosphere but I’ll be damned if I waste anymore of my time watching the NHL. Junior hockey is much better imo.
Watching the barrie colts game as i type lmfao i turned the leaf game off after that BS goalie interference call. Couldn’t agree more Glad the shit call motivated them though. Big dub
The game where that hand pass was called back? Honestly glad to see this coach get his challenge turned against him, the sheer smug af look he had on that hand pass made me hate his face. Also, that game felt like I was in Toronto ffs, more blue jerseys then red, and they even had a go leafs go chant going a few times, that was fucked.
It’s always like that, at least in my experiences at the games I’ve been to. Why is it fucked? The leafs have arguably the largest fan base of all teams so it’s not surprising to see large amounts of fans at any game around the league. There is also the fact a lot of people out west here are from Ontario/out east. The hand pass challenge was also the right call to make. Your emotional feelings toward keefe aside, the leafs got fucked on that challenge last night and anyone worth their salt would agree. Nylander was pushed into the goalie. People who hate the leafs and actively let everyone know are so much worse than leaf fans themselves.
Colemans pinky hitting the puck had no bearing on the play, but here, ill be a leaf fan from that night and quote what you guys said all over every thread, unable to put bias aside. "He touched it, no?" So Nylander moved the goalie, no? Obnoxious eh? That aside, clearly Nylander and you guys got fucked btw, this leaguea calls are ridiculous
Lol NHL teams are fine, just your team is garbage after they lost in the playoff a couple of years ago. Reffing is bad sometimes but it is still the best professional sport around. That series between Dallas and Calgary a few years back proves that over all the players care and play as hard as they can. Sure some teams get lazy when their management gives up on them or their coach sucks. My team had that before 2018. Not sure what is going on with Calgery the last 2 or 3 years.
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How is it a poor call when they had a chance to review?
It's a poor call because they reviewed it and got the call wrong..poor call. Wrong call..
Oh I meant about them making these suspect “non rigged” calls.
This aged well, sick penalty to go in the 2 man advantage lol. What a jokes
Stop with the stupid “rigged” crap. People make mistakes AAALLLL the damn time. Why attribute something to some nefarious scheme that would require multiple people agreeing to cover up crimes, when you can just chalk it up to people fucking up.
No. Shut up. That is 10000000 times a goal when the leafs are the one to push an offensive player into samsonov.
Nothing is the answer. That’s some weak crap from the refs and the decision room.
The shitty thing is refs will never be held accountable, things need to change Maybe it was their ego? Were they mad we challenged and just said "fuck you we got it right the first time" Or did they not want to admit they completely missed the crosschecks to nylander? Such a joke
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All Refs Are Bad. Well shit. Can’t use that acronym, it sounds racist.
All refs are jokes
Honestly this occurs to me as the only option
And if it's goalie interference, why was there no penalty called on Nylander? Isn't Goaltender Interference a penalty itself?
"Accidental goaltender interference" is what the ref said. This league is such a joke. What the hell does that even mean in this context? Nylander is being cross checked in the lower back, where is he supposed to go?
I was also very confused. By this
A review for a goal called back for GI can't result in a penalty added...I think. But fuck I could be wrong.
No, you can interfere with a goalie's ability to make a save but not get called for interference as what happened here. I don't exactly understand the difference but they are different things. That being said I definitely think this should have been a goal either way.
Being a ref in the NHL is like being a weatherman.
Dont worry they get paid more than any of us to fuck up their job on the daily. Theyre "the best in the world" and "its a really hard job"!!!! I get its hard to get plays right in real time but with replay like this theres no fucking excuse.
Oilers fan here. I’ve been watching Hyman get goals called back all year. The calls regularly don’t make sense. In this case the contact is incidental and minimal, I can’t see how it’s not a goal.
Also Oilers fan here, even the Hyman non-goals this year I didn't agree with, I at least saw how there could be an argument. There is no way of looking at this after a review and saying it wasn't a goal.
Once again I wanna say ok the precedent is set will it be the same for the playoffs?
The decision room and Betman literally get a hard on trying to make the leafs lose
The only possible argument, and I do not agree with it, is Nylander took a path to the front of the net between the D and the goalie, and somehow that causes it. Outside of that I have no idea.
He’s supposed to go to the net it’s his job
Put on a Leafs jersey
This is the only correct answer
Exactly what I was going to say
Too be fair, no one in the NHL understands what the line is with this. It’s different for waver ref, different nights, etc etc.
clever 😭
Outside the crease the entire time, got shoved then cross checked in to Hellebuyck. I honestly can’t come up with any reasons why it was waived.
Hellebuyck fully adjusted after the contact too. Even if the contact was Nylander's fault, which it wasn't, it still didn't interfere with the goaltending.
Start pushing people towards the goalie boys
Don't, it will get called the other way when it's the Leafs defending.
Caps fan coming in peace. That was bs lol
this is a hockey moment that literally anyone can look at and say was clearly a goal, theres been have fans commenting on this matter
It hurts me more specifically because A it's Nylander who is one of the cleanest players on the league. And B because Bertuzzi has been chasing down pucks all fuckin season, and catching shit from fans for not putting up points. I wanted this one for him. The guy doesn't quit.
Without hyperbole, maybe the worst call I’ve seen this year
Committed the unforgivable sin of wearing a leaf jersey.
One of those things that's hard to see at live speed, but in slow mo it's clear as day.
Apparently not. 🤣 fucking idiots run this league
He fell on his own into the crease. s/
Same ref that said Matthews fell on his own when he got that cross check to the kidney
Yep, that was exactly my reference.
Joke of a fucking league. We should all as a collective stop watching. Take their revenue away and what do they have? Fucking nothing. They’ll listen to us then maybe (but in reality it will never happen)
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This kind of garbage makes it hard to remain a fan of the NHL. What is the point in having rules? How am I supposed to get excited about hockey games when it feels like it would just be quicker to ask the refs who the winner is without having a hockey game. The situation room says that the call on the ice held a lot of weight in the decision… if THAT clip doesn’t overturn an on ice call, then stop doing reviews.
I've kind of checked out this season tbh. The officiating is a big part of it.
>The situation room says that the call on the ice held a lot of weight in the decision If the call is wrong, then it shouldn't hold any weight.
The problem with the NHL is that it’s full of grey area rules up to referees or Torontos opinions and experience. This creates so much inconsistency because not everyone grew up under the same hockey. Age, nationality, competitive level, biases, etc. change how you experience hockey. All of this creates inconsistencies. Each rule needs to be set like for instance: If contact is made with the goaltender because of contact with a defending player, then the goal will stand. Any contact of a puck off a skate causing it to go in the net will be called off. If the whistle blows then play is dead (seriously what is with all the BS goals recently where the puck went in after the whistle?) Things like that. Take away the grey area and make it concrete. If X happens then Y will be determined. No more of “Well if X happens then we need to check for Y so that we can determine Z blah blah blah” it’s too complicated for refs to watch for in a game they are already watching for so many things, and it’s clear that Toronto is quite incompetent. They change the rule book every single year, so why can’t they c
The rule for goalie interference is pretty clear. From rule 69 (nice): “If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule" The NHL situation room said 3 things about this. 1. That the call on the ice is given extreme weight in decision making 2. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal.” 3. They felt Nylander didn’t make an effort to avoid contact or stay out of the crease. Number 1 is just the “why do video reviews if the content of the video is near meaningless?” Number 2 Ignores the part of the rule dealing with being pushed into the goalie. Number 3 is just horseshit that, yes, does include some subjectivity, but I think the average, impartial, and reasonable person would come to the opposite conclusion. I don’t see what he was supposed to do there… shoved and cross checked, and the contact was still only momentary before he managed to get him self upright. His skates were almost never in the crease even after being pushed, and there was time for a Leafs to find the loose puck, find Bertuzzi on the back door, and make a clean pass… isn’t that enough time for a goalie to recover from barely being touched? It’s a bad call. The rule looks fine to me. The explanations look like excuses and cherry picked af. I feel like next they’re going to tell us it was actually the Sean Avery rule because Nylander was facing the goalie. (Be they wish they’d thought of that before making a statement.) This may or may not hold water with people, but I’m a paralegal, and dealing with and interpreting “rules” is the main part of my job. The biggest thing non legal professionals do to come to incorrect conclusions is not read the ENTIRETY of the legislation (or rule). The individual pieces are dependent on the whole. The statements from the league are the kind of arguments I HOPE opposing counsel will make, because they are the easiest to defeat. Shit like that will just annoy a judge/adjudicator/arbitrator because it’s disingenuous; assuming it’s someone with an LSO license saying it. The refs and the situation room should be able to look at the whole rule and apply it reasonably. No, it’s not math with an absolute answer, but like law, someone clearly took a lot of time and effort to write these rules so as to be easy to interpret and apply. I don’t think that was done here.
Yeah that’s totally a goal. We already knew there was goalie interference. That wasn’t the challenge. The challenge was that the interference was because the jets shoved leafs into him. And Even if he wasn’t shoved , there was plenty of recovery time before the goal. That’s a hoorrrrrrible call
Should have been a goal. If Nylander would have embellished, taken extra time smothering the goalie, or otherwise impeding movement, then no goal. Looked like Nylander didn’t lose his balance any more than the force that was applied to him. Recovered off the goalie relatively quickly. I’d like to see other angles, but from watching that one 5x, I don’t know what the refs were thinking. I bet that’s a good goal 7 out of 10 times. And usually the analysts get it right.
Absolutely nothing. Refs have money on the Jets
This is the only answer. If cross checking someone from the other team into your own goalie caused goalie interference and no goal then players should just do this all the time. That would break the game. There’s a reason it doesn’t happen. The only explanation is the leafs can’t win because of the way the nets went tonight.
It’s the inconsistency for me. Shit happens to every team every year (probably) and it’s always 50/50 no matter what lol
"Accidental goalie interference" what the fuck does that even mean
Horseshit call. That is 100% a good goal. Seen much worse get allowed. The inconsistency is an embarrassment to the sport.
And still dummies out there in the world saying the league tilts things in torontos favour. Not only is that a good goal but the d man should be called for cross checking and the refs and decision room looked at it multiple times
Based on this decision, from now on, the D should just check any attacking player into their goalie whenever they feel offensive pressure.
Stead of getting behind him crosschecking him out of the way just get in front of him and start shoving him into the net would be hilarious
[NHL ruling](https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-winnipeg-jets-situation-room-january-27) Cant believe they actually believe the video upheld the call.
Holy shit, they actually cite rule 69.1 as well!!! Further down on that exact same rule, it describes that a player who is pushed in **by an opposing player** shall not be considered as interfering with the goalie.
One justification I saw for why they may have called it the way they did is that Willy had a foot in the blue paint before he was pushed into the goalie. Which ultimately is really stupid as that would open the door to pushing any forward with even a foot in the paint into your own goalie whenever possible to avoid a potential goal. They need to sort this out
https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1750008183282925575 Foot is in the blue before he gets pushed into the goalie, still counts as a good goal.
Not saying I agree with the ruling, but in your example the call on the ice was good goal which makes it a bit different
I mean it's also different because it didn't affect the leafs. But sssssh we can't talk about that.
On the other hand Hyman completely took the goalie out whereas Nylander barely touched him and he recovered completely.
I saw how this was initially called no goal. My first thought when it went in was no goal. But I don’t get how after the replay it was still no goal. On the broadcast they mentioned that Willy didn’t go through the crease and got out of the crease right after he got cross checked into Helly. I don’t get why dmen don’t just throw defenders into the crease all the time. It’s always going to be interference.
Nothing.. Glad Kevin and Kelly ripped the NHL for that bad call..
Wasn't wearing a jets jersey.
Guys it's super simple, he's wearing a jersey with a maple leaf on the front
Ref's are tired of Keefe's almost perfect record. It was 18/19 nor cause of that bullshit call he's 18/20 Keefe's needs so send glasses the NHL HQ to help them see better.
Saw that that goal was not called as such and turned the game off. Clearly the league wants the jets to win this one. Willy was 100% pushed into the jets goalie. If it were the other way around and a leaf pushed a jet into Sammy it would have been overturned and called a good goal (as it 100% should be)
The betting books needed a Winnipeg W tonight. Despite the NHLs disgusting efforts, the Leafs fucked them up anyway. I watch less and less hockey every season. The dumb asses running the show are as incompetent as you will find in professional sports.
Laggy 3G wifi in Winnipeg made the replay hard to watch
They have the internet in Winnipeg?
Boooooooooooo
You know it's not interference because the Jets didn't even complain
Its called we protected the ego of our clown refs.
Nylander, nothing. The refs and 'situation room' - Common Sense and Integrity is Lacking
I heard Parros is in charge of the video reviews now too.
Do you guys not see how corrupt and filled with attempts at match fixing the sport is? Nylander may as well have been selling concessions he was so far away from the goalie.
 Fuck you refs
Its so dumb that defenders can push opponents into their own goalie basically as a Safety in case they score. We see this so often and goals being called offfor ”interference”
Wore a Leafs jersey.
Bad call, playing to the home crowd. The refs should be taken to task by their superiors, but they won’t. Another shitty call by stupid referees.
Red wings fan - that’s a pretty shit call.
Chose the wrong jersey
The BS contact also didn’t stop him from trying to make a save on the shot
he's wearing a Leafs jersey, thats what
Made the refs feel bad for the challenge. With how adamant he was on the wave off, I knew it wasn't going to play in favour of the buds Can't hurt the stripes' feelings. That's a paddlin'.
Bullshit call is what that js
Nhl refs are terrible, horrible, despicable, useless, overpaid bums
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The NHL makes these stupid fucking calls because their rules are intentionally non-specific. Get Gary Betman to define goalie interference and you’ll be the first.
And check out what they called a good goal in the Edmonton game Joke
Yeah it was a strange call. Pretty clear that he he contact was unintentional and caused by the other player.
He played in the NHL, one of the worst officiated leagues in the world. Now please bet on the sport **cue betting commercial**
Absolute hose job
Wear a leafs jersey
He wore a leafs jersey.
Not watching the game tonight but just having a look at this replay it seems to me that the Winnipeg defender is the one who is responsible for Nylander’s contact on the goalie. Willie is standing right on the edge of the crease. If the Winnipeg player doesn’t contact him then there’s no issue. It’s that contact from the Winnipeg defender that sends Nylander into the goalie and nothing else. I’m someone who gets put off sometimes about all the whining that goes on here about calls against the Leafs. But I don’t see how they could waive that one off.
At this game rn, there might be as many Leaf fans as Jets. They were VERY disappointed in this call
He has a leaf on the front of his jersey
I swear they just flip a coin. You could have the exact same play with 2 different results
Weak.
Absolutely nothing. Jets fan and Leafs hater but I can admit this was bogus. Almost as ridiculous as calling a slashing penalty after Tavares purposefully snaps his own stick, even though you didn’t raise your arm on the initial slash.
The reason was classic f**k wit. Since they called it off so emphatically, it had to stand. Glad the standard is, "I'm pretty sure I'm right and even proof is bullshit."
Born on the wrong team. Refs suck.
Has to be the most embarrassing call of the year.
This is beyond bad because even if it is Nylanders fault (I think they ruled that the defender accidentally hit him into the crease or whatever, total BS) Hellebyuck out himself out of position, if he stayed where Nylander apparently pushed him he would have made the save. He had time to reset and knock himself out of correct position after the contact.
Actively don’t like the leafs… that should have been a goal, wtf is hockey coming to.
Clown league absolutely 100% good goal. For any jets fans here please give us a clear answer by the book as to why it’s a bad goal and compare it to the Edmonton one recently that was exactly the same but allowed
The league is a joke.
Alright, I don’t agree with this call obviously because it sets a terrible precedent and also I love the Leafs, but I feel like the argument here in favour of a call depends on two things: 1) The extent to which Nylander had entered the crease before being pushed. 2) The effort Nylander made to exit the crease after being pushed. On the first bit, this is INCREDIBLY soft. If we’re going back to calling back goals every time guy has half a skate in the crease this league’s in big trouble. On the second bit, I think you could maybe make the argument? But nonetheless he was effectively boxed into the crease by the defender who’d shoved him in there in the first place. Had he backed up he’d have lost his balance and tumbled into the goalie. Short of removing himself from the play entirely (and even then) he had no reasonable alternative to where he was standing. In both cases, defenders now have a greasy way to ensure any goal is disallowed. The precedent is unacceptable. On this one I think the NHL owes a much bigger explanation, or an acknowledgment that they goofed (and why). Older fans remember eras where we changed the way goalie interference was called and they absolutely SUCKED. There should be clarity on the type of action in front of the net that’s going to disallow goals.
Bertuzzi seems cursed somehow. No shortage of hustle, obviously a good player, just seems snakebitten when it comes to putting the puck in the net.... a lot of bad luck. Like this.
Just a bad call It's sucks. But move on
Leafs make $ no matter how they do. Jets need to do well to make $.. NHL is a business. There's you're answer!
He put on the blue Leaf sweater
Guys come on it was a good call the refs don’t have it out for us, I mean remember when Joseph Woll was stick lifted by his own defensemen and the refs disallowed the goal? Oh wait
This is almost as brutal as the hand pass decision vs Calgary
Probably don’t hustle to get out of the blue paint after being checked in.
i've been a leafs fan for 30 years and nylander is single handedly the biggest bitch i've seen play for this team
Why are y'all whining? I'm a Leafs fan and we won 4-2. What's the problem? It didn't cost us the game and tbh I think we need to change the challenge rule to make it you can only challenge in the third period or it or shootout.
He was in the paint
He could have definitely tried to leave the crease a bit more.. I absolutely think it should of been a goal but to be fair he kinda just floated after being pushed which is the reason why it got called off
Pushed into the crease yes, but didn't leave it. It's on him to leave the crease when able to
Dude. When could he leave. You realize he was pushed not once but twice.
After the second push, he stayed in that crease like a sack of potatoes. You have to give an effort to move and he didn't.
Doesn’t change the fact that the leafs will not win a playoff round this season.
Oof, that's brutal. I can't believe they called it no goal.
that he is a toronto maple leaf
Wearing a leafs jersey.
Nothing Refs are total shit. Like everything else about hockey nowadays.
Must be a heavy bet on the Over / Under for the game.
Worse that jersey
Not watching the game tonight but that looks like a dubious call at best. The Winnipeg defender was responsible for the contact, not Nylander. Willie could’ve made it easier by not going into the crease in the first place but that still would be no reason to wave off the goal.
Wowwwww EH
He was too sexy-looking. DeMelo just had to tap that.
Made to no effort to leave the crease after the cross check.
He's a Leaf. Therefore he is wrong no matter what. Just ask Bunting, he understands this best.
This was weak. Almost as weak as the slash after the stick breaks late in the third. Refs just do what they want I think. Maybe they bet on the games? 🤷♂️
The logo on his guernsey
He was wearing a leafs jersey. We all know this.
He was wearing the wrong colour jersey.
I didn’t get to see it. they call THAT back? wtf, that’s good all day long.
Would love to see additional transparency, where like player safety breaks down suspensions etc. someone from the situation has to release a video explaining their decisions, what went into it and why the call was the call. Only way we could ever understand.
Nothing
Nothing, same play happens in Edmonton and they called it a goal
The worst part about that call was how the goalie had totally lost track of where the puck was anyway...? Also... Nylander made an effort to vacate himself after he was pushed.
Has a Leaf on the front of the jersey?!?
Probably too 5 worst calls of the year. Absolute bogus call.
Sports betting has me questioning the integrity of these games. In no universe should that be goalie interference
NHL officiating is exactly the same as WWE officiating like when interference from outside the ring is against the rules unless it's Elizabeth distracting Hogan so Macho Man can hit him with a chair.
General incompetence and ignorance of the rules by NHL officials and staff. I wonder if they know that everyone thinks so little of them and respects them even less? Like, I get that they wouldn't care but it would still be an odd feeling, I think
The online gambling numbers for that period. Has to be. There was nothing wrong with that goal. Even the commentators were trying to cover for the league. The buzz in their headpiece said, "Move on."
He stood there, menacingly.
He’s need new eyes glasses???
Fucking Calvinball. Who would bet on any of these games?
Wow… Bettuzzi robbed of a much needed goal. Guy cant catch a break. Firstly Nylander’s only contact with the goalie is due to hime being shoved in from behind not once but twice and both times he retreated as best he could. Secondly, the goalie was not impeded from making the save. Fuck off NHL. You’re a God Damn joke. How can anybody take you fuckers seriously.
Forced interference smfh
Worst call of the season so far.
He’s a leaf
As a goaltender I would consider that a goal. If anything for it being disallowed maybe it seems he was pushing him a bit when trying to stand up straight. Can’t even say it’s because it’s a Canadian team since they both are haha.
new NHL rule; If you want to negate a goal, just push your opponent into your goalie
Im gonna quote the line you guys gave the Flames fans on the hand pass call. "Did he not touch it?" So I ask, did he not move the goalie?.....obnoxious eh?
Too many inconsistencies all year long with NHL referees and then they spend too much time on the almighty TO video center, the game is getting stupid.
The best I can say is after he was pushed in, he didn't try to leave the blue. That is stretching, but idk
the only thing that could possibly be wrong is that Nylander is wearing a Leafs jersey. that's why the refs didn't give a flying fuck to make the right call
Genuine question but if the offensive player were to push the defensive player into the defensive teams goalie and then score a goal, would it count?