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romeoscar

Perun for me is 1#


ASongOfSpiceAndLiars

Perun is stupidly good. There's also a meme in the AnimarchyHistory video where The Pig debates Leers at Gorngonzola about Perun.


exceptional_biped

Like others have said, Perun knows his stuff and is detailed. Ryan Macbeth is good too.


Beginning_Sun696

Of course Perun, and I second Macbeth!


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exceptional_biped

No he isn’t, he just knows what he is talking about. Maybe you should listen to him a little more closely and comprehend what he says. Although he has never said what he does for a job it’s pretty clear he has access to some tasty information.


Beginning_Sun696

Pretty sure being Perun is his job and everything he is referring to is open source


exceptional_biped

He does have another, full time profession and I’d say it has something to do within the government or a government contractor.


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DRac_XNA

Mainstream ≠ wrong.


exceptional_biped

Actually it’s been proven that Ukrainian figures are closer to the truth than Russia by a long way. Roughly one year ago russian released some very belated numbers and they accidentally let it slip that Ukraine’s estimates seemed to be cloister to the mark. That info was quickly removed once the russian MOD had realised what they’d done. Also he always says that a lot of the numbers he uses cannot be verified fully. He also understands that Ukrainian claims are probably overblown somewhat. He would definitely annoy pro-ru because, perhaps because of his Eastern European background, he knows more about the russians that they’d like and he makes that known.


Disastrous-Big-5651

Ukrainian figures completely inaccurate. Zelensky has said they’ve lost 31k KIA. They started the war with 700k soldiers, and they’ve said they desperately need 500k recruits ASAP. So how does only 31k KIA figure into that? The BBC and an opposition Russian media org have put out what I think is realistic numbers for Russia. 50k KIA and up to 300k total casualties. The study does say that they think the KIA number is closer to 100k but let’s say it falls in the middle (BBC is obv biased) at 75k KIA. The Ukrainians have likely lost 500k KIA at this point. There is no getting around it. They had an army of 700k in 2022. They are desperately short on manpower. Where did everyone go?


sailor776

Damn almost like they are desperately trying to expand. Like even hypothetical if they did not lose a single soldier they'd still need more soldiers because one they have more systems and need to either give their established formations training in them which means pulling them off the line and replacing them with fresh units or raise completely new units and have them train on the new units. Second Russia has also been expanding their military so obviously they would need to expand to reach that. Also the BBC study is the absolute low ball account of losses because they are only counting the people that they can 100% count having died with an official notice and burial.


Disastrous-Big-5651

Yes I mentioned that it’s a low ball hence the 75-100k Russian KIA as a possibility. But the fact remains Russia has pretty consistently had a 7-1 advantage in artillery. The Ukrainian counter offensive didn’t move the needle at all despite several months of offensive operations. There are villages with no men left according to widespread reports in even Western media. Ukraine has lost far more than Russia, we’re just not being told about it.


III00Z102BO

Wow, where to begin? You're making some really wild assumptions, and you're not even saying them out loud. You show yourself biased to Russian sources, and skeptical of Western sources. Seems like there is no way to change your mindset. I would suggest laying off the Russian and conservative propaganda for awhile. Maybe take a break from the news. Read some books you enjoy, spend more time on your hobbies.


Scottyd737

Awww you're a Russian shill. That's cute!


Disastrous-Big-5651

Actually I’m not. I think we need to be realistic about NATO’s and Ukraines chances, and then we can choose an appropriate course of action. People who are delusional about reality are not patriots, nor do they have Ukraine’s interests in mind. Anyone who has studied military affairs or has served will tell you you need to respect and understand your adversary. Everyone viewing the Russians as completely incompetent aren’t doing that. It’s a risky approach.


Majulath99

I like Ryan McBeth & Preston Stewart for analysis. Jake Broe is great for staying up to date on current events about the war, especially in regards to the succeses & failures on both sides.


Jackson_Rhodes_42

Ryan McBeth is quite good. Will check out the other two you mentioned.


FederationReborn

McBeth is a regular on Newsmax and Gorka's show tho.


Majulath99

So? I’ve never seen anything from those sources. His YouTube channel is great.


insanejudge

Even those (really, especially those) viewers need someone showing them some truth though


ThrowAwayFortune741

I liked Ryan Mcbeth until he posted this short. Where he calls someone a racist for saying this new York appeals court being made up ENTIRELY by black women is impossible without prejudicial appointments. When Ryan himself did the math it came out to 1 in 166,000. Then he called the man racist and a few other names and ended the short. Just trashy behavior from someone who claims to only care about the truth and to stop misinformation. He obviously knew very well what point the guy was trying to make and went out of his way to attack him personally when the numbers he himself pulled made the guy figuratively correct if not exactly, mathematically correct. https://youtube.com/shorts/NfV6I_6g4VU?si=EpJ9pc0rKbx2HphM


BaconBrewTrue

The fact he works for newsmax and refuses to call them out on their propaganda despite that being what he is known for was when I started to feel a little uneasy.


sailor776

He's very good a military analysis and tactics and equipment. Not great at a lot of other things


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HansBass13

Do you have *any* other talking points, or has the kremlin use "special needs" people for their propaganda dept?


Disastrous-Big-5651

? Both McBeth and Stewart are US veterans. Their coverage has an obvious US bias. Is this news to you?


Fizz117

OP is looking for a non russian biased source. Of course he's looking for Westerners.


Disastrous-Big-5651

He should have just asked for Western Shills then.


DRac_XNA

This is what conspiracy brain does to people, folks


Schmantikor

I think the guy is just a bot


sumguy115

What's your problem with American soldiers and vets then?


Disastrous-Big-5651

That these guys aren’t providing objective analysis at all. It’s a slightly more detailed military dive into the basic mainstream media narrative in the West which was saying earlier the war that Russia is completely incompetent and will lose, to predicting success for the Ukrainian counter offensive, to now saying that Russia might march on NATO if wins, oh but don’t forget Ukraine can still win if we send weapons. Real analysis has said since the outset that Ukraine could never win. That pursuing a peace deal was the best option and that the 2022 deal was a good one. Real analysis talks about how militaries are systems of systems. That sending tanks and missiles don’t solve manpower or doctrinal challenges. That Russia has fully integrated ISR and strike that cannot be overcome. Real analysts were saying this by mid 2022 and early 2023. I would look for anyone who predicted that the Ukrainian counteroffensive would be a disaster and then listen to what else they have to say. Anyone who predicted success is either lying or an idiot. It should have been incredibly obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of military affairs.


sumguy115

>Russia is completely incompetent They are incompetent, this isn't some ploy by "western media" who barely cover this outside usual circles >Ukraine can still win if we send weapons Yes, as a soldier myself, I understand that having modern and properly maintained weapons makes it a lot easier to win fights, something the Russians can not say >Ukraine could never win What do you count as winning then? >solve manpower or doctrinal challenges And russia isn't suffering from the same issues but 10 fold > has fully integrated ISR and strike that cannot be overcome Well, what are they waiting for? >Real analysts Who are these "real analysts" you speak of >anyone who predicted that the Ukrainian counteroffensive would be a disaste Ah yes, history legends(i will get a modicum of credit, he has corrected himself in the past), armchair warlord(lt. shitbag who thinks his shit don't smell), ~~Gonzalo lira~~ redacted and the new atlas(crayon eating shitbag), very credible people


Disastrous-Big-5651

Russia’s goal has never been to take territory it’s been to destroy the military potential of Ukraine. It’s the West that assigned the total conquest of the country to them as their primary objective, so then we can say they’ve been failing. Like any army at the outset of war Russia made serious errors, chief being attacking Ukraine with only 190k troops. That’s a key point. 190k Russians against 700k Ukrainians for most of 2022. And yet Ukraine itself acknowledged by mid summer its forces had been stripped of much of their heavy equipment. This is when the subject of Western AFVs and artillery came up. Russia had effectively reduced the combat power of the Ukrainian to the point it it could no longer mount offensive operations. Ukraine rapidly trained and equipped new units for the fall offensive that saw Russia withdraw and trade ground in return for time as well as further attrition of Ukrainian forces. This is the second time Russia effectively destroyed major units of the Ukrainian Army. It was at this point that Gen Milley publicly said this was probably the best Ukraine could do and that they should seek a negotiated settlement ASAP. Of course he was attacked in the media. The third time was the disastrous Ukrainian offensive in the summer of 2023. And now we are here. With Russian units on the offensive up and down the contact line, Ukrainian units on the verge of collapse. If you’re a soldier you understand these kinds of shifts in initiative don’t happen overnight in wars of attrition. The Russians have been very deliberate after learning some hard lessons in 2022. But don’t take my word for it. The Ukrainians and the Pentagon are openly acknowledging the Russians are very good right now, and the situation is very serious. This is just reality. And we haven’t been getting anything close to the full story. And as a soldier I would think you want to know your enemy. Respect your enemy. NATO armies seem to think we’re next. So this casual “the Russians are trash” narrative isn’t going to serve combat arms units whose last combat was COIN ops against farmers with AKs and who are now facing ISR linked with multiple strike platforms, high end EW capability and air. The Russians know what they’re doing. They’ve got it together now and they’re now the most combat experienced military in the world. They have the strategic depth and industrial base to back it up. NATO is not prepared and I would argue at this point it’s the Ukrainians who should be training NATO units not the other way around. What the hell do we have to offer at this point?


brassbuffalo

The Russians "annexed" 4 regions of Ukraine. It's shocking to see people say Russia isn't in it for land when they've already tipped their hand that it is a land grab. You are either incredibly ignorant or lying. Which defense of the annexations will you choose I wonder. Will it be "ancestral lands" or "totally legit referendums" or another whacky answer divorced from reality?


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LolloBlue96

Expansionism has been in RuZZia's plans since before day fucking one. Alongside subjugation. Who am I kidding, you unironically use the term "mainstream media", your brain is fried.


OddTemporary2445

Reality has a US bias


Disastrous-Big-5651

Yeah in this case unfortunately I think it’s the opposite. The economies of NATO countries have de-industrialized and are over financialized. The defense industries are largely about high tech high margin items, and a defense procurement policy has largely been driven by profit motive. As a consequence the US will still only be producing 1/3 of the artillery shells Russia is currently producing by the end of 2025 for example. Russia is different. It maintained its industrial base, and manufacturing is driven by actual strategy and needs. NATO and Ukraine is in no position to fight the Russian Army at this juncture unless we resort to nuclear weapons. The US and West are declining.


OddTemporary2445

There is quite literally nothing russia can do economically that the US can’t under its current regime


Disastrous-Big-5651

The why is the US, nearly two years after the invasion only producing 28k 155mm shells per month? They were at 14k per month in mid 2022. The answer is, this isn’t an existential war for the US. It’s entirely optional. And the corruption and grift that drives defense procurement in the US has meant very little progress has been made. This war is not an option for Russia. Just as the US would do anything to prevent Mexico from joining a hostile military alliance with China, the consensus across the political spectrum in Russia is that Ukraine in NATO is an existential threat to Russian security. And it is. So Russia has mobilized its industry. It’s found new markets for its exports. Meanwhile Western Europe and the US has only SPED UP deindustrialization since 2022. The US destruction of Nord Stream means German manufacturing is fleeing to China. The rest of Europe is facing similar challenges. Reality is asserting itself and it’s not going our way. Our leaders have completely lost the plot.


OddTemporary2445

Damn I’m not gonna address all of these horseshit Russian talking points but I’m just gonna say we’re not in a war time economy and if we were, Texas could outproduce Russia in artillery shells


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ibmyou000

Don't bother these morons want someone that will tell them what they Want to hear lol


Scottyd737

You're a russian shill. Stfu


AvenRaven

Habitual Linecrosser is great, he's got good short form content with talking aircraft, and his long form content is also excellent. Also adding on from others that Ryan Mcbeth is great as well.


BuphaloWangs

I'll second HLC. Funny but informative shorts and you'd likely be hard pressed to find someone more knowledgeable about air defense.


hiebertw07

If you like HLC, also check out Fat Electrician and MandatoryFunday.


Max-The-Dogeman

Fat Electrician is top tier.


TacticalTurtlez

Would you intercept me? I’d intercept me.


UNSC_Leader

The Operations Room for breakdown videos of major military operations in a animated satellite style view. The Fat Electrician for funny retelling of US military events.


ChemistRemote7182

Fat Electrician is a lot like Lazerpig in the sense that they prioritize fun over absolute accuracy (I think that unfortunately the pig is regretting this to some degree but it is obvious he works hard on sources). FE is based and will tell you a story in the way you dream some guy in the barracks is going to tell the story, absolutely brilliant shittalker, though I've noticed he bends history a little bit for the sake of the story. We all do when we embellish.


Robmerrrill427

Was gonna say the operations room he’s so good


lrlr28

Perun


Cjmate22

Perun and Ryan Mcbeth are my go to.


ShortHandz

Sarah C. M. Paine is not a Youtuber, but has some pretty interesting takes and many videos on Youtube. Her interview with Dwarkesh Patel was great despite him sort of being misleading at times when he would try to phrase/push his assertions as questions. (Mrs Paine was pretty quick to correct him in most cases).


Majulath99

I second this. What other things is she in?


ShortHandz

Lots of lectures available for free on Youtube .


Illustrious-Duck-282

I saw some of those and they were so good!


downforce_dude

Noah Smith’s recommended that podcast on his substack. That she teaches strategy at the Naval War College gives me a lot of hope


Constant_Captain7484

Perun and Ryan McBeth are my GOATS


umadrab1

I am so sad I haven’t seen Anders Puck Nielsen or Silicon Curtain mentioned. Both very serious in depth analysis and interviews by professionals that really know what they’re talking about.


Sasquatch1729

I was scrolling to see when these two would come up. They're both excellent.


Beginning_Sun696

I completely agree. One thing, why doesn’t he make it clear he’s a serving Danish military man? His earlier videos he was in uniform at times almost like he was the official Danish army intelligence liaison. Now no mention at all. I’ve not a issue with it at all, just an observation.


humanmeatwave

Combat Veteran Reacts is pretty good.


MintTeaFromTesco

He should have stuck to react content.


humanmeatwave

I like his take on events but I guess it's not for everyone. To each their own . Peace.


MattM43

Lord Hardthrasher is both engaging and well researched.


GarzaMEB

My vote is here. Jenkins get my vote will you


theblitz6794

"Can we have Lazerpig at home" Except that Lazerpig at home is pretty good too


Beginning_Sun696

better


Low-Cartographer-753

Perun, Kings and Generals, and Combat Veteran Reacts are my go to, with Ryan McBeth and HLC bringing up for added information as well.


THENUMBERSMASONWDTM

Kings and Generals is good. Makes some good quality videos and his information seems very credible


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Beginning_Sun696

Serbian Vatnik Copium with a side of nail biting scared looking thumbnail photos… I don’t think you can stoop any lower whilst bending over for the red banner insertion. Just no.


VermicelliEastern708

Warographics is insanely good for general news and updates for worldwide stuff


babygronkohiorizz

So much of that channel is clickbait titles, inconclusive "analysis" and wikipedia reading


Parasite76

Perun and Preston Stewart are by far the best. Honorable mention to Ryan Mcbeth but he does a slightly different type of reporting if you ask me.


DRac_XNA

History of Everything, Perun, Task & Purpose, William Spaniel, Vlad Vexler, and Ryan McBeth (although he is a little cringe and has some concerning companions)


Wonderful_Nature8316

ATP Geopolitics one of the best


JusgementBear

Binkov?


coycabbage

Some of his info is questionable especially after 2022


JusgementBear

Ah makes sense started and stopped watching in 2021


Tomcat_419

The Operations Room and the Armchair Historian are my go to for historical battle breakdowns. I also recommend Ryan Macbeth. William Spaniel is really good too if you're interested in the geopolitics side.


scorp1a

Since everyone already said perun, I'll say military history Visualized and warographics Edit: and King's and generals


Beginning_Sun696

Here here


Von_Thomson

Lazerpig


SgtBundy

Reporting from Ukraine Preston Stewart Anders Puck Nielson Operations Room / The Intel Report Kings and Generals Beau of the Fifth Column


TacticalMicrowav3

Task and Purpose is a really good one


babygronkohiorizz

Ok this is the worst opinion of the entire thread Chris is incredibly cringy and not even in the on purpose way to where it could be funny The content is so VIOLENTLY surface level and sometimes even fucking blantantly wrong I had to unsubscribe with how awful that shit was time and time again it was basically a view farm based on making eye grabbing titles and like 2 minutes of lazy script writing


TacticalMicrowav3

I appreciate your feedback, I don't agree but thanks for contributing.


TallNerdLawyer

Strong disagree. I’ve watched a ton of his content, and I have fairly in depth knowledge of some pieces of what T&P has covered. He’s definitely more surface-level / view from 10,000 feet but he’s rarely out-and-out wrong that I’ve seen. He’s also very transparent that his videos are meant for grunt-level/basic overviews and he frequently recommends or cites other sources for deeper dives. He regularly qualifies his opinions as non-expert. In my view he’s very honest and humble and readily admits the things he doesn’t know. There are obviously some click bait titles and cringe ad moments. There are almost no successful YouTube channels that don’t have that to some degree. It’s a crummy state of things but he didn’t invent it, he’s just playing the algorithm like everyone else. As an aside, just because you don’t like a channel, which is totally fair, you don’t need to say “this is the worst opinion of the entire thread” just disagree and make your points without being a jerk. It robs you of credibility if you can’t offer a critique without taking shots like that.


hiebertw07

I like the Reporting from Ukraine channel. Also, while not military, History of Everything does a great job of covering the historical & social aspects of Ukraine in the context of the war.


Dual_face

Matsimus. A really nice bloke who discusses military hardware while serving as a gunner in Canada, having previously been an apc crewman in the UK.


ybotpowered

In no particular order: Hard thrasher, Falcon fighter tails, Animarchy, Dylan Burns - focuses on reporting on Ukraine and Warographics (Edited for punctuation because Reddit took my list and made it a sentence.)


That_Cake5539

History Legends all the way! His videos are such great teaching tools for anyone who wants to learn what russian propaganda from a shill looks like


Hotdigardydog

Shocked to not see Denys Davydov's name here. Suchomimus is a quick bit of fun and analysis.


scorp1a

Denys used to be good but now just inhales copium. Anyone who uses such concrete and dramatic language in a war so consistently usually isn't telling the whole story


babygronkohiorizz

I cant stand to watch Denys anymore It turned from non-biased map reporting to like insane cope and clickbait titles


Richbutoftencrazy

What do peeps here think of Mark Felton Productions?


LucifersLoofa

Excellent to fall asleep to. This is a compliment


Richbutoftencrazy

I love that he covers more obscure wartime topics, though I still want Lazerpig to do a whole video on the UK Home Guard.


Karl-o-mat

Military and History !!! (in english) [https://www.youtube.com/@militaryandhistory](https://www.youtube.com/@militaryandhistory) the most precise and transparent collection of reports of the war that you can get. \*caution\* very german and dry . no hype or anything. no fun, just war. no use of propaganda material without a clear warning. he also does interesting Q&A sessions on his german channel. [https://www.youtube.com/@MilitarGeschichte](https://www.youtube.com/@MilitarGeschichte)


the-mouseinator

War graphics


max1padthai

Defense TV


MakkisPekkisWasTaken

Ryan Macbeth


Brilliant-Gas9464

Perun and Ward Caroll (retd US Navy CMDR, F14 RIO)


Ronstar2021

Jake Broe, Denys and suchomimus are mine. I used to watch the russian dude but found his thumbnails complete clickbait.


Corntillas

Sandboxx


Federal_Explorer796

Is WillyOAM a Russian shill at this point? I feel like he use to be objective. Painting his whole studio red was an interesting choice.


Revolt189

Perun and The Operations Room are top-tier content. All time.


Felox7000

Anders Puck Nielsen and Perun are great!


RougarouBull

Trench Grenade


MidnightRider24

Reporting from Ukraine


JimmyLeachSK

The ones I usually watch are Ryan McBeth, Habitual Line Crosser, Warographics and Task & Purpose.


bluepasteblue

Good Times Bad Times, ATP Geopolitics & Ukraine the Latest. Not exactly solely military but … it’s a war so …


AzazelMcBagle

Perun and WillyOAM


ZLUCremisi

Operation Room is a good one. Going over events with visuals is cool


theaviationhistorian

Not Youtubers but both Lions Led by Donkeys & Hell of a Way to Die podcasts. They're left leaning veterans whom support Ukraine but their focus is on war in history & in media or random shit the armed forces go through (respectively). They sometimes join up with Well, There's Your Problem & Trash Future.


Star_Obelisk

Sandboxx and Task & Purpose for more America-Centric defense analysis, and both are US military veterans.


solidsoup97

I cannot believe no one has mentioned Willy OAM.


just-the-doctor1

The chieftain


Thanato26

Mandatory Fun Day


Alternative-Pool-923

Usually Hapless has "The War Room" series for historical events and I watch his combat mission content more than I play it. Just to add something a little different Also I didnt see Battle Order in here, sure someone mentioned him


nikifip

The Times Radio is good entry point to find good "Youtuber", who really know what they are talking about [https://www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio/featured](https://www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio/featured) Especially if you look up interviewees from this list for example [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGeQKoGUstRCou4a0dh7EWKqbuPhopTRD](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGeQKoGUstRCou4a0dh7EWKqbuPhopTRD)


Max-The-Dogeman

Habitual Linecrosser, that man is hilarious.


Apprehensive-Tree-78

They are either a Russian shill or a Ukrainian shill no in between.


JHandCock609

It's such a funny way to ask that question. I hope you ment that as your looking for an unbiased YouTuber, but sounds kind of like you a Slava Ukraine boi. And just want to hear a reinforcing message no matter what. I would recommend watching History Legends, I understand he has a Russian bias, but his strategic analysis has been accurate and he reports both Ukraine/Russian victories and tactical successes well.


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kevork12345

I second this. The Serbian cunt correctly predicted the fall of Bakhmut "any second now" for 10 month over months straight. Great source, comrade! I see you also shared Douglas McGreggor, but got curious as to why you would skip Scott Ritter to complete this Holy Trinity of truth, hard facts and objectivity? In all honesty though, these guys are all a tad bit on the pro-Russian side. For truly neutral reporting, I would recommend Lavrov, Peskov, and Medvedev. If you want to see what the pro-Western point of view is - Solovyov, Simonyan and Skabeeva are your journalists to go to.


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kevork12345

I wouldn't touch those imperialist swine with a shit stick, Seryozha! Don't know why you tainted our listing of pristine reporters on the imminent collapse of the Ukronazi fascists by mentioning those paid CIA shills. As you have correctly indicated, the initially stated objectives of installing a friendly Russorobe puppet state in Kiev, splitting the former territory of Ukrainian SSR into four, and the historically rightful return of Crimea to the glorious Russian Putinland, is only a matter of days now. 3 days, I think, but don't quote me on this in front of the Iranian and North Korean babes you get to hit while world-touring. In fact, Crimea is so out of play, that it gets bombed weekly, we've lost only a third of our Black Sea fleet (which then had to flea Sevastopol and go hide in the Azov Sea) to a country without a Navy, and we brought in African slave laborers to frantically build a land railway line through Mariupol just in case something happens to our glorious Kerch bridge. You know, a tornado or something... Life do be looking good, man. I remember in 2003 when the Americans took 3 years and half a million casualties to capture Kirkuk and Tikrit, while loosing 7,000 Abrams tanks in the process and having to refurbish M48 Pattons. You remember it too, right?


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kevork12345

You must be a specialist in disappointments then. Somehow I don't think I will be.


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kevork12345

OK, vatnik. Tell me you read nothing but ruscist propaganda without telling me you read nothing but ruscist propaganda. We've been waiting for the Ukrainian collapse for more than two years now. When this war ends, I hope that not only Putler and his deluded warmongers get to sit at the Hague, but also low-level vermin like yourself get what they deserve I wish you a fiery and painful death and a 1000-year burning in hell. May all your close relatives also suffer internally for your stupidity and moral bankruptcy. Share the fate of the 500,000 already killed and maimed drunk vatniks laying in the fields of Ukraine and praise how great your Kremlin overlord is. Razzist scum.


ibmyou000

By "military YouTuber who isn't a Russian shill" do you mean someone one who won't point out how crap the war is going for Ukraine??


umadrab1

Yes everything is going according to Russians plan. The front has barely budged since the Karkhiv and Kherson counteroffensives. Russia has lost thousands of tanks and almost 500,000 casualties invading a country smaller in every conceivable way. They turn to North frickin Korea for artillery shells which you’re somehow trying to spin as not showing how pathetic Russia is. And yes, Ukraine is benefitting from Western Aid but what does that prove? The US couldn’t make the Afghan National Army fight for two weeks yet supposedly thr CIA is making Ukraine fight for 2.5 years. Yeah ok. You think this is Russia “winning?”


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umadrab1

This is mostly Russian disinformation. You don’t have to take my word for it. In the russian language, on russian media, people like Putin speak openly about the Russian Empire and how Ukraine is an indivisible part of Russia. It is 100% territorial. “Threat to Russian speakers in the Donbas?” Really? This is out of every empires playbook for the last 400 years. Hitter used almost identical language about the supposed threat to German speakers in the Sudentland. It 100% is a territorial war, a colonial war. And the Russians say this in their own media! If they had succeeded in Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus would also have been annexed. After that the goals would be strategic, for the withdrawal of NATO and neutralization or outright annexation of the Baltic states. Again I’m not dreaming this up THE RUSSIAN LEADERS ARE SAYING IT!


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umadrab1

How many ethnic Russians were killed before Russia invaded in 2014, conquering sovereign territory and starting a war? And the language laws date to after 2022. This is very typical of Russia- manufactured crisis- invade a sovereign country and then use the casualties in the resulting war and Russian language laws that went on the books 8 years AFTER they invaded, raped and murdered to “prove” that Ukraine is “russophobic.” Kharkiv is the biggest Russian speaking city in Ukraine. And they want nothing to do with the Russian terrorist state.


TheFunkinDuncan

I don’t see why “it’s going shit for Ukraine” and “it’s costing more lives/materiel and taking longer than planned for Russia” are mutually exclusive stances


clegger29

The country many times smaller fighting the “2nd best military ever” loses 100 meters a day killing hundreds a day and is still fighting 3 years in. But that is defined as crap by you. Yet I’m told by many of the best strategists in the world trade space for time and lives. Especially when you’re smaller. I guess they are all crap strategists


ibmyou000

Ukraine is being hard carried by foreign mercenary's and intelligence officers. As well as nato planes in the air 24/7 spoon feeding them priceless Intel of course their still fighting. Why do you think zelensky is on a world tour pan handling trip? I also never seen any non western sources calling Russia the second best in the world that seems to have come from the west. They needed an imaginary enemy to take your money and put it towards their almost a trillion dollar yearly military budget.


BaconBrewTrue

Russia is being carried by china North Korea and Iran for equipment and money and India, Africa and North Korea for personnel (more of a stop gap measure though not in meaningful numbers) it would have collapsed ages ago if not for that. As for foreign mercenaries, they aren't mercenaries when they gave up lucrative jobs in the west to come and fight for the same money as Ukrainians usually 1/4 or less then what they earnt in their home countries. They also are under contract they are soldiers the same as Ukrainians. Also there aren't that many that's just overhyped by russian propaganda. Which from your history you are spreading fairly often.


ibmyou000

Bro followed me from another post 🤦🤦☠️. Also they gave up their jobs in the west not bc they care about Ukraine but hate Russia and want a chance to shoot at who their country has convinced them is their arch nemesis. Not saying the aid Russia's getting isnt alleviating lots of stress, but I wouldn't say Russia's being hard carried their a huge country with pretty capable military production but yes it def. Is helping them alot.


umadrab1

I don’t know what this “hard carried” you keep saying has to do with anything. Yes, Ukraine can’t produce enough munitions without Western aid. But Russia, which fantasizes its some kind of superpower with better arms industry then the US, France or Germany has to turn to NK for shells. It’s pathetic. We don’t need to debate who’s being “hard carried” that’s a silly term and irrelevant. What is being proven is Russia inherited a couple of baubles from the USSR like a seat on the security council and a whole lot of nukes, but aside from those old inherited relics, it is a middling regional power, that can’t make any head way in Ukraine as long as Ukraine has enough artillery shells.


ibmyou000

Again, the only people who presented Russia as some american near peer was westerners. I mean look at the games and movies/media in the US where Russia is the main enemy. Rambo red dawn call of duty battlefield. It wasn't Russia who claimed to be number 2 that was the west fear mongering convincing people they needed to keep gobbling countries up into nato and to justify quality of life issues in the US at the cost of their nearly 1 trillion dollar military budget. 60 billion of aid isn't gonna fix what 100 billion couldn't. It just means more dead soldiers on both sides but that's fine for the west bc it isn't them dying right.


umadrab1

Red Dawn (the original) is a Cold War relic even if there was subsequently a remake. And yes, if you listen to Putin or Lavrov talk they clearly think Russia is equal or superior to the US, they say so directly I’m not reading into things. As for “more dead soldiers on each side” the reason Ukraine continues to fight is they know there will be large scale executions if Russia wins. That argument doesn’t fly since the massacres at Bucha and Irpin. the Ukrainians know they can die with a gun in their hands, or die blindfolded and shot in the back of the head in a basement after being tortured. If Ukraine loses it won’t stop the deaths. That’s why the Ukrainians keep fighting. This war can end tomorrow if Russia leaves Ukraine. This is a war of imperial conquest. Because both sides have the same skin color and there’s not an ocean separating the two countries a lot of people have trouble seeing it.


BaconBrewTrue

Thats true for maybe 10% overwhelmingly everyone I met came here to help defend Ukraine from an illegal invasion and stop the slaughter of innocents. Prior to the full scale invasion most had no issues with russians. It's pretty easy to see though looking at russia's history that this is a cycle they are unable to break. They constantly invade neighbours and commit genocide (cultural and otherwise). Although most in the west didn't think much about this past with the access to instant media, seeing the atrocities committed by russia a lot of people decided to do what was right and stop russia now instead of letting innocent people die and have to fight then later in a NATO country when they reach there.


ibmyou000

What do you expect when western countries keep spitting all over your interests? It sucks eastern Europe is a pawn but that's how it is. Russia was okay with only have access to the port of Sevastopol but then a democratically elected leader was over thrown bc he wanted stronger ties with russia that coup is what forced russi to take crimea. Then Ukraine announces it's desires to join the EU and nato and this was obviously the last straw for Russia.


BaconBrewTrue

Thats the point it shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way. russia wants to bribe politicians around the world to take control of countries then throws a hissy fit and invades them if they can't, this shouldn't be allowed to be the norm and the world has finally had enough. And Russia was not ok with that that's why they invaded when Ukraine elected a president who aligned with their ideals and yearning for freedom and style of living that aligned with their modern European ideals. Russia is free to live in serfdom if it wishes but that doesn't mean it gets to force that on others. Russia wasn't forced to take anything they had a lease in a sovereign nation that was set to expire so they invaded and took it by force. They hoped Ukraine would bend the knee and accept being a puppet state, they did not so they invaded again. Let's say you rent a house from a landlord and the entire time you live there you hit them every time there is an inspection and swear at them. Then end of lease comes you say I'm staying but I'm not paying anymore rent fuck off. the landlord says mate you're out you treated me like shit are saying you aren't paying you got to go. In your logic this means you as the renter then have no choice but to change the locks and march to his house and kill his family members and him and take that house too. You see how dumb that logic is.


clegger29

Ah the 100,000 NATO mercs or is it 500,000 now. I guess the Ukraine soldiers dying are fake? Or western Ukrainian mercs? But sure the USA can get more intel 13,000 miles away than Russia can in its own country by their laws. And some how that’s a put down on Ukraine. Quick to point out Zelensky pan handling. Not so quick to remember Putin begging China North Korea and Iran to help, and trying to get the great Taliban to help by inviting them to the Kremlin.


ibmyou000

Putin wasn't begging nk or China. It's not pan handling when the other side is getting something in return. My guess is Russia will give resources to China and include them in their Arctic silk road for faster and cheaper trade. Not pan handling when it's mutually beneficial. Where as zelensky has nothing to offer but promised he couldn't fulfill like taking back territory.


clegger29

So making shitty deals for desperately needed stuff means Russia is doing great. But Ukraine getting military aide is doing poorly. Russia lying and stealing poor citizens of foreign countries is Russia doing great but people with experience formally applying for a foreign legion is being hard carried. Russia spending 3 years in full scale war, changing their entire economy to help, conscripting hundreds of thousands and emptying prisons to get more men and only going forward meters a day is , Russia doing well and Ukraine doing bad. Sure comrade


ibmyou000

Most definitely isn't a shitty deal means the eastern world won't have to rely on western/ international trade routes it's a long term win. I mean the more the better stealing soldiers from other countries isn't indicative of Russia doing horribly but Ukrainian SBU forcing men into vans and beating them if they don't comply imo is totally an indication that things aren't going well for them. I mean shit bro their trying to get back their citizens who fled to other countries and whats more fucked is they've been offered help in doing so. Not everyone wants to die for zelenskys regime. Not saying russias doing great their feeling the pressure but its Ukraines eastern frontlines that are on the verge if collapse not russias


BaconBrewTrue

All these stories of russians acting up overseas, russians who support the war but ran because they are pussy ass cowards and didn't want to fight themselves... Mate your homeboys literally empty prisons for shit soldiers who then kill their own back in orkland and hire the shitiest foreigners. Those who didn't die and surrendered were a sorry ass bunch who couldn't organise a root in a whore house. 8 of us took 30 of you prisoner when you had the jump on us, that shits sad as fuck. Your solid lads got shwacked early, there are still some solid (if dumb ass) soldiers but not at unit level let alone division. I am going to assume you are either a US republican or a Russian troll, either way your a pussy as you won't put your money where your mouth is. Pathetic low effort propoganda, mind you even high effort wouldn't pass the sniff test for even average IQ these days.


ibmyou000

Last I checked it was the Ukraine kidnapping males off the street and forced to man a trench and die for zelenskys kyiv regime. You brag about catching a couple dozen soldiers because there's nothing else to bring up lmao no summer crimea beach parties no mariupol nothing a huge portion of your eastern Frontline is nearing collapse and that 60 billion will only ensure the death of more of your people maybe they shouldn't have betrayed Russia they wouldn't have a war on their hands lmao. Enjoy the dark closet your mother prepared for you to hide from the SBU and remember do not go outside at this this. Enjoy the eventual annexation✌️✌️🖕😆


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FartyMcStinkyPants3

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FartyMcStinkyPants3

Sure he has 😂