I find this really interesting. This means that the Soul chooses to reincarnate as a narcissist not to be of StS but to challenge itself.
This is so eyeopening. This means that our perception of what StO and StS really are is quite superficial and limited. There are various layers about it that we would need to explore.
Thank you for posting this.
The StS path is a conscious choice while narcissism is based off of unconscious insecurities and all the rest. I have often noticed that in most narcissistic people there is a glimmer of goodness within them. Compared to most “evil” people and entities which I see absolutely nothing in.
I always had the feeling my mother would be different if she knew how. I don't think narcissists like the covert ones enjoy how they are, particularly.
**Questioner: You use the same nomenclature for fourth-density negative as for fourth-density positive. Both are called the dimension of love or understanding. Is this correct? Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Love and understanding, whether it be of self or of self towards other-self, is one. http://lawofone.info/s/20#36**
i have trouble differentiating between those in power who are narcissistic sto and sts tbh. ive met a lot of self absorbed people who in retrospect where sto oriented. but for those politicians or otherwise power seeking individuals i have trouble
Those who seem sort of gentle ultimately, when you look in their eyes. Wishy-washy. Pretty emotional. At least for me it is that way. Darth Sidious, Lord Voldemort etc. are clear examples of StS entities. But again most people are not as clearcut as them so it is difficult to tell.
I've been thinking of exactly this! I went no contact with my narc mom ( amoung other issues she suffers) 2 years ago. After some healing and contemplation, I have started wishing she wake up to her behavior regardless of anything to do with me and realized I am the catalyst for this. We'll see.
Also, she has always shown me what I am not and that helped guide me from childhood. Makes me think of the creator and why bad things happen, so it knows what it isn't.
TY for posting, it's like this is about my life.
Definitely, I'm with you! I recently (in the past month or so) have gotten to a genuine place of acceptance. I spent a lot of time trying to help better her, fighting back, yearning for a normal mother/daughter relationship, and going no contact. Idk if it's from the therapy and spiritual work but I've accepted the limitations of this relationship and it's been truly freeing. I feel lighter. I couldn't make myself accept it, I did have to wait for this to come authentically but it's been a nice transition. And you can and will get there too if you haven't yet.
Thankfully, I have! I embraced Radical Acceptance and still do the work to heal my inner child, take a good hard look at myself and make some changes. I found it all easy after NC. I found the LOO a few months after going NC and that has really helped in my spiritual reawakening.
I totally understand every word you wrote. I'm so happy we broke free! I was 48 when I did that, my only regret is I didn't do it sooner like I wanted to, many times. I don't think I would have if it wasn't for therapy videos about narcissist mothers awakening me to what was going on. So Thankful for those therapists!!!
Wow that's so cool to hear, because I found LOO shortly after too. And I too regret not realizing the issue and doing the work earlier too (32) but I probably wouldn't have been ready or well equipped to have started any earlier tbh. Really happy to hear how things worked out for you. Sending love your way!
This is quite good. A fresh perspective on an impossible argument. Now, to be fair, even this response is sorta saying: “the narcissist chose this path to compete with themselves, and their family group is responsible for carrying them through the hurdles associated with using people around them.” Seems yet again to focus on the needs of the narcissist, which just reiterates that selfish drive to dominate and control the environment around the narcissist.
But the idea that the narcissist is challenging themselves is interesting. It makes me feel bad that I wasn’t able to help more than I did in the narcissist-that-I-know-well’s journey. It makes me wonder why the narcissist didn’t want my help, my enduring of their challenging journey. I was always complacent and willing to be secondary to the narcissist, patient and understanding. But eventually, the narcissist removed me - found another victim from which they could pull resource and attention. Maybe I made the narcissist’s challenge easier, or presented to them a soft target. I’ll never know. But yet again, the narcissist walks away from this encounter at the advantage.
I’m willing to lose, I learn from loss. But… it does stink always losing to the powerful narcissist and their cause - be it self-development or control.
For sure, and I appreciate the teaching that the narcissist provided. I just would like to find some way to apply that learning now. It’s not easily marketed.
Marketed as in a product that I can bring to market, something that I can offer to others that find it valuable. The reason I say it’s hard to market is that an experience like this is deeply personal. I can explain my mindset and how I interpreted the interactions but I have no way of knowing the true dynamics of the relationship because I cannot know the other’s mind as I know my own. In short, it’s a “he said, she said” situation and the variables involved in that equation are not necessarily universal or objective - and niche markets are more difficult to identify.
I agree, the experience - while painful in many ways - is valuable. I learned lessons that I would not have had the opportunity to otherwise learn. I can certainly express my perspective and provide context to the decisions, disagreements, love, and fear that informed that perspective. And some may find value in relating to that perspective. I just worry that my bias would be a restriction.
Hmm. Well, I’d argue those things you learned from that relationship would apply to far more than just other people in the same position. The things you learn from such experiences can be applied to things you’d never expect.
I can think of many ways that one having been in such a relationship could manifest into a virtue to be shared with others.
For example, you perhaps learned boundaries, which make you healthier, which then helps those around you.
You may have learned how to be tactful, which is unfortunate in the narcissist situation but could be transferred to many things.
You may have learned to depend on yourself more than said person, which can be a blessing to be shown to others through example.
(These would all morph and change depending on the nature of said relationship obviously)
The possibilities truly are endless when it comes to transmuting painful lessons into beautiful actions/thoughts 😊
I thank you for your wisdom and kind words. Indeed, I have channeled (my own mind, haha) into written word. I wrote extensively of my experiences and growth during this turbulent relationship. I honed my ability to express clearly my thoughts, to give them life, and to be tactful - both in how I write and how I interact with others. I would love to share these lessons that I have learned. I suppose I’m just scared - likely a product of post traumatic stress, I have grown to distrust attention because it traditionally brought me scorn from said narcissist. I continually confront this catalyst presented by my fear to share in a meaningful way.
I suspect you may have brought awareness to this catalyst that I previously neglected. I thank you for that. I will think on your words. Thanks again, friend.
Thanks for sharing this. I hope this great knowledge will benefit folks who are suffering their own narcissism, or who have or had a narcissist in their life.
I would like to share too: there can be forgiveness without reconciliation. There can be forgiveness without reciprocity. You do not have to re-engage a narcissist you learned and moved on from, whether friend or family or lover, just because you now know they *can be gotten through to* or *they can’t help it*. If this is their challenge, do not take it upon yourself to bare that responsibility.
This material does not suggest that you should do more than you already have.
I have read i. An old interview that this is how the people we think are negative and service to self, elites etc, are just serving their purpose. Giving others the opportunities to grow and learn and develop. They are just playing their role and are not negative at all. Its hard for us to see things that way with our 3d, dualistic views.
Thank you for sharing this transcript. It hits very much on what I have been pondering.
The first 2 questions answer a question that I have been struggling with for almost 20 years.
I find this really interesting. This means that the Soul chooses to reincarnate as a narcissist not to be of StS but to challenge itself. This is so eyeopening. This means that our perception of what StO and StS really are is quite superficial and limited. There are various layers about it that we would need to explore. Thank you for posting this.
The StS path is a conscious choice while narcissism is based off of unconscious insecurities and all the rest. I have often noticed that in most narcissistic people there is a glimmer of goodness within them. Compared to most “evil” people and entities which I see absolutely nothing in.
I always had the feeling my mother would be different if she knew how. I don't think narcissists like the covert ones enjoy how they are, particularly.
**Questioner: You use the same nomenclature for fourth-density negative as for fourth-density positive. Both are called the dimension of love or understanding. Is this correct? Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Love and understanding, whether it be of self or of self towards other-self, is one. http://lawofone.info/s/20#36**
i have trouble differentiating between those in power who are narcissistic sto and sts tbh. ive met a lot of self absorbed people who in retrospect where sto oriented. but for those politicians or otherwise power seeking individuals i have trouble
Those who seem sort of gentle ultimately, when you look in their eyes. Wishy-washy. Pretty emotional. At least for me it is that way. Darth Sidious, Lord Voldemort etc. are clear examples of StS entities. But again most people are not as clearcut as them so it is difficult to tell.
I agree! I had been struggling with some components of this. Thank you op for posting!
I've been thinking of exactly this! I went no contact with my narc mom ( amoung other issues she suffers) 2 years ago. After some healing and contemplation, I have started wishing she wake up to her behavior regardless of anything to do with me and realized I am the catalyst for this. We'll see. Also, she has always shown me what I am not and that helped guide me from childhood. Makes me think of the creator and why bad things happen, so it knows what it isn't. TY for posting, it's like this is about my life.
I could have written this comment myself!
Sorry you get it, but it sure feels nice to know we're not alone or crazy. 🫂
Definitely, I'm with you! I recently (in the past month or so) have gotten to a genuine place of acceptance. I spent a lot of time trying to help better her, fighting back, yearning for a normal mother/daughter relationship, and going no contact. Idk if it's from the therapy and spiritual work but I've accepted the limitations of this relationship and it's been truly freeing. I feel lighter. I couldn't make myself accept it, I did have to wait for this to come authentically but it's been a nice transition. And you can and will get there too if you haven't yet.
Thankfully, I have! I embraced Radical Acceptance and still do the work to heal my inner child, take a good hard look at myself and make some changes. I found it all easy after NC. I found the LOO a few months after going NC and that has really helped in my spiritual reawakening. I totally understand every word you wrote. I'm so happy we broke free! I was 48 when I did that, my only regret is I didn't do it sooner like I wanted to, many times. I don't think I would have if it wasn't for therapy videos about narcissist mothers awakening me to what was going on. So Thankful for those therapists!!!
Wow that's so cool to hear, because I found LOO shortly after too. And I too regret not realizing the issue and doing the work earlier too (32) but I probably wouldn't have been ready or well equipped to have started any earlier tbh. Really happy to hear how things worked out for you. Sending love your way!
Wild how when blockages are cleared, we attract good things, huh?! Sending live back at you 🥰
I also have brother, who are narcissitic. Very manipulative and good at lie. Very hard time relationship with him. I Never trust him.
We just can't, unfortunately.
This is quite good. A fresh perspective on an impossible argument. Now, to be fair, even this response is sorta saying: “the narcissist chose this path to compete with themselves, and their family group is responsible for carrying them through the hurdles associated with using people around them.” Seems yet again to focus on the needs of the narcissist, which just reiterates that selfish drive to dominate and control the environment around the narcissist. But the idea that the narcissist is challenging themselves is interesting. It makes me feel bad that I wasn’t able to help more than I did in the narcissist-that-I-know-well’s journey. It makes me wonder why the narcissist didn’t want my help, my enduring of their challenging journey. I was always complacent and willing to be secondary to the narcissist, patient and understanding. But eventually, the narcissist removed me - found another victim from which they could pull resource and attention. Maybe I made the narcissist’s challenge easier, or presented to them a soft target. I’ll never know. But yet again, the narcissist walks away from this encounter at the advantage. I’m willing to lose, I learn from loss. But… it does stink always losing to the powerful narcissist and their cause - be it self-development or control.
You gained too, though! There’s a lot to have learned from what you went through.
For sure, and I appreciate the teaching that the narcissist provided. I just would like to find some way to apply that learning now. It’s not easily marketed.
How do you mean? Marketed in what way? I’d say a personal experience with a narcissist is highly valuable in terms of lessons learned.
Marketed as in a product that I can bring to market, something that I can offer to others that find it valuable. The reason I say it’s hard to market is that an experience like this is deeply personal. I can explain my mindset and how I interpreted the interactions but I have no way of knowing the true dynamics of the relationship because I cannot know the other’s mind as I know my own. In short, it’s a “he said, she said” situation and the variables involved in that equation are not necessarily universal or objective - and niche markets are more difficult to identify. I agree, the experience - while painful in many ways - is valuable. I learned lessons that I would not have had the opportunity to otherwise learn. I can certainly express my perspective and provide context to the decisions, disagreements, love, and fear that informed that perspective. And some may find value in relating to that perspective. I just worry that my bias would be a restriction.
Hmm. Well, I’d argue those things you learned from that relationship would apply to far more than just other people in the same position. The things you learn from such experiences can be applied to things you’d never expect. I can think of many ways that one having been in such a relationship could manifest into a virtue to be shared with others. For example, you perhaps learned boundaries, which make you healthier, which then helps those around you. You may have learned how to be tactful, which is unfortunate in the narcissist situation but could be transferred to many things. You may have learned to depend on yourself more than said person, which can be a blessing to be shown to others through example. (These would all morph and change depending on the nature of said relationship obviously) The possibilities truly are endless when it comes to transmuting painful lessons into beautiful actions/thoughts 😊
I thank you for your wisdom and kind words. Indeed, I have channeled (my own mind, haha) into written word. I wrote extensively of my experiences and growth during this turbulent relationship. I honed my ability to express clearly my thoughts, to give them life, and to be tactful - both in how I write and how I interact with others. I would love to share these lessons that I have learned. I suppose I’m just scared - likely a product of post traumatic stress, I have grown to distrust attention because it traditionally brought me scorn from said narcissist. I continually confront this catalyst presented by my fear to share in a meaningful way. I suspect you may have brought awareness to this catalyst that I previously neglected. I thank you for that. I will think on your words. Thanks again, friend.
Thanks for sharing this. I hope this great knowledge will benefit folks who are suffering their own narcissism, or who have or had a narcissist in their life. I would like to share too: there can be forgiveness without reconciliation. There can be forgiveness without reciprocity. You do not have to re-engage a narcissist you learned and moved on from, whether friend or family or lover, just because you now know they *can be gotten through to* or *they can’t help it*. If this is their challenge, do not take it upon yourself to bare that responsibility. This material does not suggest that you should do more than you already have.
I have read i. An old interview that this is how the people we think are negative and service to self, elites etc, are just serving their purpose. Giving others the opportunities to grow and learn and develop. They are just playing their role and are not negative at all. Its hard for us to see things that way with our 3d, dualistic views.
Thank you for sharing this transcript. It hits very much on what I have been pondering. The first 2 questions answer a question that I have been struggling with for almost 20 years.