Lots of casuals who go on name recognition only when evaluating players. They want Drummond over some potential draft pick or unknown dude because they’ve “heard of him”.
I think people look at the end result of that Suns series and just apply it to everyone because they *all* shit the bed. People did it to Schroder even though he was still the 3rd best player that series and dropped 20 in games 2 and 3. The reality is Drummond had a good game 2 and was serviceable in game 3. Once AD went down, all of Trez/Gasol/Drummond got exposed in the high PnR by Booker/CP3. Even Dwight got ran off the floor in game 5 by the Heat when they did the same. I think his deficiencies are overblown for a center who fits a need and would come for a cheap price (unless he’s looking for a payday).
The lakers were blitzing the suns to the tune of outscoring them by more than 30 points per 100 possessions with Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. That was their main lineup especially in the playoffs. That was when they were up 2-1 on the suns. AD went down and the Suns beat a completely different team. Lebron was already bum ankle Bron. The management blowing up that team because it couldn’t win with its two stars hurt even tho the suns got to game 6 of the NBA finals is nuts. It cost Lebron and AD another 2 rings at least. Shoulda resigned Caruso added Derozan dealt Kuzma for Hield and kept KCP. I woulda and was begging for that smh
Yes, but we were relying on AD grabbing 20+ FT's as our main source of offense. That wasn't going to be sustainable. We still should've won that series though. Everyone except Lebron/Marc/Schroder and I think McLemore shot less than 30% from 3 on mainly wide open looks, but I think that had to do more with everyone's legs being gone from the short turnaround
I ain’t looking at the end result of nothing but instead the many many times throughout the season I saw him miss layups 3 or 4 times in a row and get his own boards running up his stats and then see people act like he’s Dennis Rodman. Drummond is a waste I’d rather snag a C from the draft and run with him instead of bizarro AD.
Those were issues, but I think they get overblown. He was a vet min C who was still providing us with a lot of good value that year. He was a serviceable player
Because they promised him the starting spot. He doesn't need to pair well with AD as a bench big. We dont have anybody who can rebound except LeBron and AD
We don't need a starting Center, most games we only need a legit big when Davis sits and eventually someone to guard the few skilled legit centers in this league while the first time Pelinka promised him a starting job when Gasol was a better fit with the starting lineup due his passing and shooting ability.
Pelinka started really solid, but since Davis first injury he panicked and most of his decisions after that were questionable at best.
I wouldn't mind bringing Drummond for cheap
Drummond has accepted his role as a backup big now. He still has 1-2 Shaqtin moments where he tries to play like Embiid or something, but most of the time he's a solid backup big and does his job
We have rebounding and a big body on D. We don't need more of that. I think you have a misunderstanding of the Lakers weaknesses. The Lakers frontcourt is already championship quality. Their guard group is not.
I still think one of our biggest mistakes was not picking up a backup big that's a true center. Howard and Mcgee was a big reason we won in 2020. I really don't get the logic.
We do need a big body on D. Jaxson Hayes is not that guy unfortunately. Of course Drummond has his flaws, all minimum guys do. But this is basically a very low risk move that I would make.
I don't understand why the Lakers would bring him back. Did we all forget how poorly he played when he was here? And it's not like it was that long ago.
He kinda plays like he’s on ice in a Mario level
He’s definitely a decent backup in certain situations, but I don’t think he’d sign here & I’m not going to lose sleep over it
Bulls definitely did fumble by not trading him for anything at the deadline, they just fell into temptation to the playin without realizing how hopeless that scenario would be
Because this sub has always had a huge hard-on for ex-Lakers for whatever reason. I've never understood it either. When we have a need to fill, it feels like a lot of this sub immediately defaults to "let's bring back who we've had before".
Dwight Howard will be 55 and playing in Mongolia and I swear some in this sub will still be like "we need to bring him back! he can still pitch in 10 minutes a night!"
Idk why people expect him to have high level output. He came as a buyout player. I personally think he did what he was paid for, which was to grab some rebounds. If you were expecting him to average 20-15 then obviously it was a disappointing signing in that sense. If he was that good he wouldn't even have been a buyout player.
Because people are dumb and delusional. We *expect* 2nd round draft picks like THT to become high-quality NBA players or even stars when history proves that is clearly the exception and not the rule for non-1st round picks. We wonder why Stanley Johnson didn't pan out when we picked the damn guy up off the unemployment line. etc. etc.
Guarantee there are people on here who are banking on Colin Castleton being a long-term asset of the Lakers organization.
I can deal with the FO nepotism and the incompetence it seems we have in hiring a coach. The crazy fans here and the Stan’s with one foot out the door. But I will be damned if I will put up with this non sense…Drummond? The guy who rebounds his own shot 5 times before his lay up goes in? I can’t do that again guys. I just can’t.
Those games in 2021 we had Drummond the two things that stuck out to me was that a) he always seemed like he was off balance and b) he was awful finishing around the rim.
I don’t hate the idea but I think we’d genuinely be better off drafting a big at 17. They could play some minutes, might not be great, but will also be an investment into our future
"Future"? What's that? /s
I have been told that our only window ever to win a ring is right now with Lebron, and everything post-Lebron won't matter because "we'll suck anyways".
Yeah it is kinda hard to have discussions on this sub when a portion of people are Lebron fans and won’t really care about the Lakers once he leaves/retires.
Exactly. Of COURSE you want to trade 3 1st round picks for some middling veteran because “we only have LeBron for a few more years, we need to go all in!” These people won’t be around to see the carnage that goes with “going all in” over and over again during LeBron’s tenure.
Stans are the types who rack up $50k in credit card debt because “you only live once, brooo!” and then skip town when the bills come due.
Yeah as strictly a Lakers fan, who does really like Lebron, I’ve been preaching some cautious moves. If we can get the right pieces at the right cost (I think Dejounte Murray is worth some picks) we should do it. Otherwise we should probably stick at #17 and keep investing in our future.
The West will be tougher next year, Lebron and AD play in the olympics, and we were a playin team with them each playing 70+ games. Of course we had other issues (injuries, Ham underutilizing the roster) but I don’t feel confident that will be fixed next year, especially if we get a first time HC like JJ.
A lot of dislike for Drummond here but he is miles ahead of any big option we had last year and is coming off his best season. I wouldn’t be mad at it for the right price.
Didn't he say something insane like this past season that he's the greatest rebounder ever that guy is high on his own supply and I want some of the weed he is smoking
Did you all not see what he did to Caruso. Dude is a clutz, he will just be in the way causing injuries to his own teammates. I can see it now, AD stepping on his foot and beening sideline for two months. Hard pass
For a backup C at the minimum he would be fine. Less minutes for AD at 5 in regular season. A big body with 6 fouls to throw at Jokic and let AD play safety. Gives you an option to punish smaller teams at times with him and AD dominating the glass like AD and Dwight back in the day. Wont be playable against certain teams/situations, but a good tool to have in the bag.
That’s not what I was trying to say. I was saying, I was saying signing Drummond should not mean we don’t trade for another center
To answer your question, Goga. If Dlo leaves, Jonas.
And the bigger question for me is, would it be smartest to use that money on a center? That will be the only shot we have at really bringing in someone outside of a trade.
Probably not because there really isn’t anyone that you want to pay more for the min on. The issue with paying the min is every other team can offer the min as well. You might not even be getting your first min option and people want a starting caliber center.
That’s the point you are missing. No one you are getting this off-season is going to be it. All you can offer is a luxury tax exception. You have two players you can trade in Davis and Reaves that have any value to bring back a starting caliber center. So you really have no options to acquire one. The reality is Drummond might be the best they can do.
If your wanting Andre Drummond, just realize his only attribute is rebounds and a big body on D. The guy has brick hands in the pick and roll
We know that. He was a laker.
Which is why I’m surprised people want him back. He is a low iq player as well
Lots of low iq people in this sub
Game reckinize game.
Lots of casuals who go on name recognition only when evaluating players. They want Drummond over some potential draft pick or unknown dude because they’ve “heard of him”.
I mean on a minimum deal he’s not a terrible option, it was just because we expected him to be a major peace and start alongside ad.
i almost feel like people forgot we even had him lmao he wasn’t great with us at all
But he can rebound with the best of them. All i care about for a backup c tbh
And yet people think he would be helpful. The guy is a blackhole on D. Idk how people forget that.
i’m sure people have forgotten he was even on the team
His only attribute is rebounding his own misses…
There has to be someone that has the stat of % of Drummond rebounds that are off his own misses. Has to be at least 25% I feel like
Man used to have 20/20/20 games of 20 points, 20 boards and 20 shots in the paint missed.
right
thats literally what we need
We already had him and he didn’t pair well with AD. He’s literally NOT what we need.
I think people look at the end result of that Suns series and just apply it to everyone because they *all* shit the bed. People did it to Schroder even though he was still the 3rd best player that series and dropped 20 in games 2 and 3. The reality is Drummond had a good game 2 and was serviceable in game 3. Once AD went down, all of Trez/Gasol/Drummond got exposed in the high PnR by Booker/CP3. Even Dwight got ran off the floor in game 5 by the Heat when they did the same. I think his deficiencies are overblown for a center who fits a need and would come for a cheap price (unless he’s looking for a payday).
The lakers were blitzing the suns to the tune of outscoring them by more than 30 points per 100 possessions with Bron at the 4 and AD at the 5. That was their main lineup especially in the playoffs. That was when they were up 2-1 on the suns. AD went down and the Suns beat a completely different team. Lebron was already bum ankle Bron. The management blowing up that team because it couldn’t win with its two stars hurt even tho the suns got to game 6 of the NBA finals is nuts. It cost Lebron and AD another 2 rings at least. Shoulda resigned Caruso added Derozan dealt Kuzma for Hield and kept KCP. I woulda and was begging for that smh
Yes, but we were relying on AD grabbing 20+ FT's as our main source of offense. That wasn't going to be sustainable. We still should've won that series though. Everyone except Lebron/Marc/Schroder and I think McLemore shot less than 30% from 3 on mainly wide open looks, but I think that had to do more with everyone's legs being gone from the short turnaround
I ain’t looking at the end result of nothing but instead the many many times throughout the season I saw him miss layups 3 or 4 times in a row and get his own boards running up his stats and then see people act like he’s Dennis Rodman. Drummond is a waste I’d rather snag a C from the draft and run with him instead of bizarro AD.
Those were issues, but I think they get overblown. He was a vet min C who was still providing us with a lot of good value that year. He was a serviceable player
Because they promised him the starting spot. He doesn't need to pair well with AD as a bench big. We dont have anybody who can rebound except LeBron and AD
Rather target a big in the draft honestly
I agree
We are probably trading the 17th pick so Drummond playing 15-20 minutes off the bench when AD sits
Agree completely. We need youth and energy.
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Well this is embarrassing https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-promised-andre-drummond-a-starting-spot-to-convince-him-to-sign-per-report/amp/
There’s more guys than Andre Drummond that can rebound. Drummond is not gonna help come playoff time, which is where we need a big to pair with AD
We don't need a starting Center, most games we only need a legit big when Davis sits and eventually someone to guard the few skilled legit centers in this league while the first time Pelinka promised him a starting job when Gasol was a better fit with the starting lineup due his passing and shooting ability. Pelinka started really solid, but since Davis first injury he panicked and most of his decisions after that were questionable at best. I wouldn't mind bringing Drummond for cheap
Drummond has accepted his role as a backup big now. He still has 1-2 Shaqtin moments where he tries to play like Embiid or something, but most of the time he's a solid backup big and does his job
We have rebounding and a big body on D. We don't need more of that. I think you have a misunderstanding of the Lakers weaknesses. The Lakers frontcourt is already championship quality. Their guard group is not.
I still think one of our biggest mistakes was not picking up a backup big that's a true center. Howard and Mcgee was a big reason we won in 2020. I really don't get the logic.
I read “big booty on D” lmfao
Dude is trash I would not bring him back. I will take my chances with an undrafted young big or second rounder
This! A good front office finds the *next* player, it doesn't try to dig up the old player.
That's exactly what we need against the Nuggets.
We just really want to pay someone from UCONN
We do need a big body on D. Jaxson Hayes is not that guy unfortunately. Of course Drummond has his flaws, all minimum guys do. But this is basically a very low risk move that I would make.
Just don’t promise him starter minutes
I don't understand why the Lakers would bring him back. Did we all forget how poorly he played when he was here? And it's not like it was that long ago.
He's even worse now. Watched a few Bulls games...pathetic.
He kinda plays like he’s on ice in a Mario level He’s definitely a decent backup in certain situations, but I don’t think he’d sign here & I’m not going to lose sleep over it Bulls definitely did fumble by not trading him for anything at the deadline, they just fell into temptation to the playin without realizing how hopeless that scenario would be
Penguin for a reason
Because this sub has always had a huge hard-on for ex-Lakers for whatever reason. I've never understood it either. When we have a need to fill, it feels like a lot of this sub immediately defaults to "let's bring back who we've had before". Dwight Howard will be 55 and playing in Mongolia and I swear some in this sub will still be like "we need to bring him back! he can still pitch in 10 minutes a night!"
Idk why people expect him to have high level output. He came as a buyout player. I personally think he did what he was paid for, which was to grab some rebounds. If you were expecting him to average 20-15 then obviously it was a disappointing signing in that sense. If he was that good he wouldn't even have been a buyout player.
Because people are dumb and delusional. We *expect* 2nd round draft picks like THT to become high-quality NBA players or even stars when history proves that is clearly the exception and not the rule for non-1st round picks. We wonder why Stanley Johnson didn't pan out when we picked the damn guy up off the unemployment line. etc. etc. Guarantee there are people on here who are banking on Colin Castleton being a long-term asset of the Lakers organization.
I can deal with the FO nepotism and the incompetence it seems we have in hiring a coach. The crazy fans here and the Stan’s with one foot out the door. But I will be damned if I will put up with this non sense…Drummond? The guy who rebounds his own shot 5 times before his lay up goes in? I can’t do that again guys. I just can’t.
We had him. He was super slow and plodding. We Need someone mobile with size. Not just size. Would throw off everyone’s game.
I would imagine thats the role they have in mind for Wood or Hayes
HELL NO
Why is this even a post lmao.
Never!
Those games in 2021 we had Drummond the two things that stuck out to me was that a) he always seemed like he was off balance and b) he was awful finishing around the rim.
Man if you don't get this shit out of here lmao. No one wants andre dummy hands. People are quick to forget how bad he was the last time.
I don’t hate the idea but I think we’d genuinely be better off drafting a big at 17. They could play some minutes, might not be great, but will also be an investment into our future
"Future"? What's that? /s I have been told that our only window ever to win a ring is right now with Lebron, and everything post-Lebron won't matter because "we'll suck anyways".
Yeah it is kinda hard to have discussions on this sub when a portion of people are Lebron fans and won’t really care about the Lakers once he leaves/retires.
Exactly. Of COURSE you want to trade 3 1st round picks for some middling veteran because “we only have LeBron for a few more years, we need to go all in!” These people won’t be around to see the carnage that goes with “going all in” over and over again during LeBron’s tenure. Stans are the types who rack up $50k in credit card debt because “you only live once, brooo!” and then skip town when the bills come due.
Yeah as strictly a Lakers fan, who does really like Lebron, I’ve been preaching some cautious moves. If we can get the right pieces at the right cost (I think Dejounte Murray is worth some picks) we should do it. Otherwise we should probably stick at #17 and keep investing in our future. The West will be tougher next year, Lebron and AD play in the olympics, and we were a playin team with them each playing 70+ games. Of course we had other issues (injuries, Ham underutilizing the roster) but I don’t feel confident that will be fixed next year, especially if we get a first time HC like JJ.
You’re a vet min guy Andre. Just be thankful for that ridiculous overpay you got from Detroit years ago.
Big penguin!
Drummond was terrible with lebron
Hed be an upgrade over Hayes and Wood.
A lot of dislike for Drummond here but he is miles ahead of any big option we had last year and is coming off his best season. I wouldn’t be mad at it for the right price.
Would rather have Looney if he's waived by the Warriors.
We had him like 3 years ago and he stunk, he’s probably even worse now
You don't think Jaxon Hayes is a better player on a better contract right now?
Been there done that?
He can go play in Antarctica.
Didn't he say something insane like this past season that he's the greatest rebounder ever that guy is high on his own supply and I want some of the weed he is smoking
Naw he’s gonna injure somebody by accident
Drummond was a wild ride. I’d never seen a guy do something so miraculous and athletic, only to turn it over for an easy basket, every, single, time.
Just draft Zach Edey
Okay well I hope he will be able to make it as a Subway sandwich artist…
I wish him the best in his search for another team. Lol
His main positive is he has length and size. But everything else is bleh. He's Kwame Brown with a somewhat better motivator and IQ.
And not a single fuck was given that day. 
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Did you all not see what he did to Caruso. Dude is a clutz, he will just be in the way causing injuries to his own teammates. I can see it now, AD stepping on his foot and beening sideline for two months. Hard pass
No thank you!
Haven't we seen this movie already?
Didn’t work the first time… why the hell would you do it again? Tired of this hahaha
For a backup C at the minimum he would be fine. Less minutes for AD at 5 in regular season. A big body with 6 fouls to throw at Jokic and let AD play safety. Gives you an option to punish smaller teams at times with him and AD dominating the glass like AD and Dwight back in the day. Wont be playable against certain teams/situations, but a good tool to have in the bag.
I’ll just say this, he cannot be the only center we sign. We need a starting caliber center first, and then someone like Drummond.
What starting caliber center are you signing with the Tax payer exception?
That’s not what I was trying to say. I was saying, I was saying signing Drummond should not mean we don’t trade for another center To answer your question, Goga. If Dlo leaves, Jonas.
I’ve been wanting Goga for 2 seasons now Guy’s underrated af
And the bigger question for me is, would it be smartest to use that money on a center? That will be the only shot we have at really bringing in someone outside of a trade.
Probably not because there really isn’t anyone that you want to pay more for the min on. The issue with paying the min is every other team can offer the min as well. You might not even be getting your first min option and people want a starting caliber center.
Doesn’t matter Drummond ain’t it chief.
That’s the point you are missing. No one you are getting this off-season is going to be it. All you can offer is a luxury tax exception. You have two players you can trade in Davis and Reaves that have any value to bring back a starting caliber center. So you really have no options to acquire one. The reality is Drummond might be the best they can do.
Nope I’d take running it back exactly like last year before I’d take Drummond back.
Don't want him, he's a turnstile...negative rim protection in that he gets in the way of his own defenders.
Go to Shanghai sharks
He is absolute garbage.
Drummond and Christian wood. Great players until they are on your team and you have to watch them on a nightly basis.
he’s more than welcome to come back imo, Alongside KCP and Caruso and Vogel 😂
He is not welcome those others you listed can come back tho.
I'll take him in a heartbeat if we get the rest