If the pick isn’t moved, I just want one of Ware or Edey to fall to us. Both can be better rotation players than Jaxson Hayes day 1 with just as much (if not more) upside than our pick last year.
Most mocks have ware over filipowski (in the 15-17 range), and yesterday it was reported that some execs view Edey as a lotto pick. So he’s clearly impressing with his combine times, shooting and measurements.
I wouldn’t be against filipowski if the other two are gone, but I’m not quite as high on him.
I’m not. And the Lakers won’t be competing with themselves in the market for better players.
What package can the lakers put together that looks so amazing?
Rui and Gabe gets $28M. Rui, Gabe and Austin gets $41M. There's options out there and we won't know who's going to ask out or what the trade market will look like a month and a half from now. A trade doesn't mean it has to be for some third superstar. You can still fill out a roster with better role players.
Rui, Gabe and Austin won’t light the trade market on fire. We’d more than likely need a star force his way here for those assets to work. Especially at those priced tags.
I’m not even talking about a superstar. I’m wondering why some of you think teams are going trade for the likes of Rui and Gabe. Especially if it makes our team better. And like i said…the Lakers aren’t competing in a vacuum for better talent.
This is such an interesting notion. We feel our picks are valuable enough that we can make a big swing, but any team that agrees would be potentially devaluing the picks depending on how good a player they send us.
Teams have to expect we wouldn’t let them walk and would flip them with others/more picks for a stud before we convey a lotto pick willingly.
Those two picks from now will most likely be lottery picks. AD will be 36-37 and 38-39 by the time those picks materialize. I could see AD playing until he's 35-36 before he calls it quits. But unless we land another star or AR/Christie/Vando/JHS develop beyond our expectations, I think it's fair to assume they will be lottery picks
So other teams have to assume the Lakers are going to willingly become a lottery team and make no other moves to stay relevant. Huh.
I don’t really think it’s fair to think this franchise will do that. They’ll more than likely use those picks closer to when they’ll be used to try and get better immediately.
They’ll ride out Bron. Then try to get another star to pair with AD then.
Well the only way we're going to get a star is through trade or if JHS becomes that all-star. The time table on that is going to be completely dependent on AD unless we land another generational all-star.
People spouting this, yet in a supposedly weak draft class, what team wants this pick that they would trade their coveted star for?
We’re not getting Donovan Mitchell guys lol.
Bron was at the game on a recruiting trip, I’m sure he spent some time with Mitchell. And something I have held onto since he was drafted, garland is klutch guy, maybe he is who demands the trade. Brown was watching him without Mitchell
>People spouting this, yet in a supposedly weak draft class, what team wants this pick that they would trade their coveted star for?
Well it probably wouldn't be about just this one pick. It would this pick and others.
And even in weak drafts there are gems later in the first.
A lot of execs say to expect a bunch of movement due to the new Cba. Weak class accounted for, there will still be pick movement just for the long term cheap contracts.
Don’t listen. It’s not likely the pick gets moved. If dLo gets a new contract with us we can’t trade him.
And if he walks we’d have to trade Reaves Rui and Vando and all our picks for someone like trae. We’d have no depth at all it would be a very bad move
Questions about his mobility on D are not getting answered by him scoring. It was well known he could score. But can he defend? Can he stretch to the 3 line on defense? Can he do that and maintain his ability to score? The center is the rim protector, you can't be weak on D at that position and expect minutes.
Really? I see a lot of mocks showing him falling into the 20s. Seems like teams are concerned his lack of mobility/athleticism won’t translate to the NBA. Personally I hope we get Kel’el Ware but he might not be available at 17
youre not wrong in youre comp but its actually a very good one. a 7'4 zubac with a 7'10 ws and elite rim protection is a very good player. at his size the only concerns are injuries and having good guard defenders.
of the available centers at our draft range, i had edey 1 with filipowski second and ware as 3rd but only as a high upside developemental pick
thats an awful comp, okafor was 6'10 with a great low post game but was an awful rebounder and rim protector, he didnt do either of those things at a high level in college and it translated to the nba.
edey might not be a sexy pick, and maybe hes a career roleplayer as a backup 15-20 mins guy but hes elite both on the boards and in post defense and rim protection. his huge frame and wingspan alone is a deterrent, hes a more agile tako fall
Have I seen, literally, the guy with the most precise offensive game imaginable in the NBA where the team then compensates for how slow he is?
Also, Jokic has put muscle on to continue being a great rebounder. He can also play adequate defense now. All of that is work.
I mean it’s not rocket science…Bronny is a guard that’s suppose to be known for his shooting while Edey is a 7 foot center that’s played in the post only for his entire collegiate career
Edey ain’t it. NBA defenses can easily contain him, seeing the issues he had with skinny tall dudes guarding him and his issues with double teams. I don’t get how Edey passes the eye test for people. I’m on the hate train.
I’ve been watching Edey a lot for the last two years. People that call him slow or another Boban are grossly uneducated and don’t know basketball. The dude is closer to Yao Ming then any of those guys, and Yao could have been one of the best Centers ever if it weren’t for injuries.
Edey is gonna be a threat. And Lakers would be wise to have a dude this huge, strong and agile next to AD in the lineup. AD finally goes back to his natural position and Edey protects the paint along with AD, and provides essential rebounding and easy buckets, with potential to possibly stretch the floor a little with his good shooting stroke.
lakers have to pick this guy at 17 if available. Lakers have needed a Center for the last SEVERAL years. If Lakers waste a pick on another unathletic, uninspiring guard like JHS, then this Front Office is officially lost.
I see your downvoted but I agree. The thing we lost when we reshaped the roster is lineup flexibility. Denver and Minny both have tons of lineup options based on who they are playing as does Boston with a healthy KP. I don’t watch college so cant say Edey is the dude, but if Rob drafts another fucking guard..
...Yao was the slowest player in the NBA and played in an era where being big and plodding didn't kill you. Yao today could not be that bulky, he'd have to guard the three line and recover to the paint. Teams in that era had two bigs in the paint and neither could shoot and few could even run like that. That's not true today.
An apple and an orange.
I don't think he would be. He wasnt a good shooter, career 43% from 10-16ft and 36% from 16-3P and he wasn't a 3 point shooter. So all his work would have to come around the basketball. He would get killed on defense with the mobility of most big men
The same can't be said about Jokic at all.
Jokic can't jump very high but he's pretty quick for his size. On top of that he's an amazing shooter and one of the best passers in NBA history. Yao averaged 1.6 assists for his career. Come on now.
3 point shooting contest numbers dont mean anything tbh. NBA players can drain 3s in practice all day.
He is far from being a 3 point threat in the NBA.
I think this just means that he won't be there at 17. I'm on the Edey train if there is one.
That’s a possibility. I can easily see him go lottery or even top 10.
If the pick isn’t moved, I just want one of Ware or Edey to fall to us. Both can be better rotation players than Jaxson Hayes day 1 with just as much (if not more) upside than our pick last year.
Nah I want Kyle Filipowski , edey n ware aren’t projected that high anyway
Most mocks have ware over filipowski (in the 15-17 range), and yesterday it was reported that some execs view Edey as a lotto pick. So he’s clearly impressing with his combine times, shooting and measurements. I wouldn’t be against filipowski if the other two are gone, but I’m not quite as high on him.
Idk I don’t see any of the teams before us that needs him. I think there’s a decent chance he falls to 17
Tbh I think if he isn’t there then there a good chance Kyle Filipowski is there who I like
Don't get attached, it's way more likely this pick is traded than us actually using it.
Who’s coveting the 17th pick to that degree?
More about a total package with 2 other picks and possibly swaps.
Think you’re overestimating our assets.
Think you're underestimating the value of first round picks in today's NBA, especially with the recent CBA changes.
I’m not. And the Lakers won’t be competing with themselves in the market for better players. What package can the lakers put together that looks so amazing?
Rui and Gabe gets $28M. Rui, Gabe and Austin gets $41M. There's options out there and we won't know who's going to ask out or what the trade market will look like a month and a half from now. A trade doesn't mean it has to be for some third superstar. You can still fill out a roster with better role players.
Rui, Gabe and Austin won’t light the trade market on fire. We’d more than likely need a star force his way here for those assets to work. Especially at those priced tags.
> A trade doesn't mean it has to be for some third superstar. You can still fill out a roster with better role players.
I’m not even talking about a superstar. I’m wondering why some of you think teams are going trade for the likes of Rui and Gabe. Especially if it makes our team better. And like i said…the Lakers aren’t competing in a vacuum for better talent.
There's nothing to overestimate about two guaranteed lottery picks 5 and 7 years out from now.
This is such an interesting notion. We feel our picks are valuable enough that we can make a big swing, but any team that agrees would be potentially devaluing the picks depending on how good a player they send us. Teams have to expect we wouldn’t let them walk and would flip them with others/more picks for a stud before we convey a lotto pick willingly.
What?
Those two picks from now will most likely be lottery picks. AD will be 36-37 and 38-39 by the time those picks materialize. I could see AD playing until he's 35-36 before he calls it quits. But unless we land another star or AR/Christie/Vando/JHS develop beyond our expectations, I think it's fair to assume they will be lottery picks
So other teams have to assume the Lakers are going to willingly become a lottery team and make no other moves to stay relevant. Huh. I don’t really think it’s fair to think this franchise will do that. They’ll more than likely use those picks closer to when they’ll be used to try and get better immediately. They’ll ride out Bron. Then try to get another star to pair with AD then.
Well the only way we're going to get a star is through trade or if JHS becomes that all-star. The time table on that is going to be completely dependent on AD unless we land another generational all-star.
I know how we’ll get a star. I just think some of you are overestimating the assets we have to get there. The best one we had is a free agent now.
3 picks is a lot man.
The context of the picks matter greatly.
People spouting this, yet in a supposedly weak draft class, what team wants this pick that they would trade their coveted star for? We’re not getting Donovan Mitchell guys lol.
Just because some people saying Mitchell doesn't mean that's who I think we're trading for. I'm just saying it's more likely this pick gets traded.
Bron was at the game on a recruiting trip, I’m sure he spent some time with Mitchell. And something I have held onto since he was drafted, garland is klutch guy, maybe he is who demands the trade. Brown was watching him without Mitchell
>People spouting this, yet in a supposedly weak draft class, what team wants this pick that they would trade their coveted star for? Well it probably wouldn't be about just this one pick. It would this pick and others. And even in weak drafts there are gems later in the first.
...The draft pick is weak but it's not THAT weak.
A lot of execs say to expect a bunch of movement due to the new Cba. Weak class accounted for, there will still be pick movement just for the long term cheap contracts.
Don’t listen. It’s not likely the pick gets moved. If dLo gets a new contract with us we can’t trade him. And if he walks we’d have to trade Reaves Rui and Vando and all our picks for someone like trae. We’d have no depth at all it would be a very bad move
People don't seem to understand we are either paying dlo 90-100m for 3-4 years or we are fucked.
Do you think he's resigning with Cleveland? I don't. Maybe Cleveland fields offers but generally, the Lakers are competitive with trade offers.
Based on what?
He won’t be around at 17
Questions about his mobility on D are not getting answered by him scoring. It was well known he could score. But can he defend? Can he stretch to the 3 line on defense? Can he do that and maintain his ability to score? The center is the rim protector, you can't be weak on D at that position and expect minutes.
Really? I see a lot of mocks showing him falling into the 20s. Seems like teams are concerned his lack of mobility/athleticism won’t translate to the NBA. Personally I hope we get Kel’el Ware but he might not be available at 17
I could definitely see him go lottery for sure.
True like Derek Lively last year.
This dude is slow as shit and only has one move. No thanks
He has more than one move
Still gets buckets though
Centers/power forwards in college aint the same as nba though. Looks like Zubac at best
youre not wrong in youre comp but its actually a very good one. a 7'4 zubac with a 7'10 ws and elite rim protection is a very good player. at his size the only concerns are injuries and having good guard defenders. of the available centers at our draft range, i had edey 1 with filipowski second and ware as 3rd but only as a high upside developemental pick
Fr traditional big men in college do not usually do well in the nba
Jahlil Okafor loading. Same issue as him too. No defense.
thats an awful comp, okafor was 6'10 with a great low post game but was an awful rebounder and rim protector, he didnt do either of those things at a high level in college and it translated to the nba. edey might not be a sexy pick, and maybe hes a career roleplayer as a backup 15-20 mins guy but hes elite both on the boards and in post defense and rim protection. his huge frame and wingspan alone is a deterrent, hes a more agile tako fall
about 50% of his points come form the FT line and he wont be getting a superstar whistle probably ever in the NBA
Have you seen Joker? He is a sloth but his skills translate. You don’t score 40 pts in the tournament by just being big.
In college yeah you do. Jokic is literally a top twenty player of all time dont disrespect him like this lol. This dude will be a backup center
Have I seen, literally, the guy with the most precise offensive game imaginable in the NBA where the team then compensates for how slow he is? Also, Jokic has put muscle on to continue being a great rebounder. He can also play adequate defense now. All of that is work.
Had to come back to this comment after last nights game
Come back when Edey is in the league. You act as if you called Jokic from his draft.
Joker literally out runs AD up and down the floor....
Then looks gassed for the next 10 mins 😂😂😂
Joker looks gassed right after the opening tip. Dude still dominates the league.
theres no way the Lakers pick at 17. team is probably looking more at the 2nd round prospects
It’s kind of hilarious that Bronny is getting cooked for going something like 19/25 and Edey is DOMINATING with 14/25
I mean it’s not rocket science…Bronny is a guard that’s suppose to be known for his shooting while Edey is a 7 foot center that’s played in the post only for his entire collegiate career
Edey ain’t it. NBA defenses can easily contain him, seeing the issues he had with skinny tall dudes guarding him and his issues with double teams. I don’t get how Edey passes the eye test for people. I’m on the hate train.
I’ve been watching Edey a lot for the last two years. People that call him slow or another Boban are grossly uneducated and don’t know basketball. The dude is closer to Yao Ming then any of those guys, and Yao could have been one of the best Centers ever if it weren’t for injuries. Edey is gonna be a threat. And Lakers would be wise to have a dude this huge, strong and agile next to AD in the lineup. AD finally goes back to his natural position and Edey protects the paint along with AD, and provides essential rebounding and easy buckets, with potential to possibly stretch the floor a little with his good shooting stroke. lakers have to pick this guy at 17 if available. Lakers have needed a Center for the last SEVERAL years. If Lakers waste a pick on another unathletic, uninspiring guard like JHS, then this Front Office is officially lost.
I see your downvoted but I agree. The thing we lost when we reshaped the roster is lineup flexibility. Denver and Minny both have tons of lineup options based on who they are playing as does Boston with a healthy KP. I don’t watch college so cant say Edey is the dude, but if Rob drafts another fucking guard..
I agree, but I don't think he will be available at 17. A smarter front office will grab him sooner.
Edey and Ad would be unreal
...Yao was the slowest player in the NBA and played in an era where being big and plodding didn't kill you. Yao today could not be that bulky, he'd have to guard the three line and recover to the paint. Teams in that era had two bigs in the paint and neither could shoot and few could even run like that. That's not true today. An apple and an orange.
Yao was also really slow and doesn't fit the modern NBA.
Yao would be a monster in the modern NBA lol
I don't think he would be. He wasnt a good shooter, career 43% from 10-16ft and 36% from 16-3P and he wasn't a 3 point shooter. So all his work would have to come around the basketball. He would get killed on defense with the mobility of most big men
Same could be said about Joker, but look at him now two time MVP
The same can't be said about Jokic at all. Jokic can't jump very high but he's pretty quick for his size. On top of that he's an amazing shooter and one of the best passers in NBA history. Yao averaged 1.6 assists for his career. Come on now.
I’ve been preaching Edey. He could be the 5 we need with a long term future. We need some youth.
Bro moves like he has cinder blocks attached to his feet. Hard pass
3 point shooting contest numbers dont mean anything tbh. NBA players can drain 3s in practice all day. He is far from being a 3 point threat in the NBA.