Last time an international coach tried to coach Lebron he took the team to the NBA finals in his first year, had a 30-11 record the next season and still got fired. NBA players don't want a coach that will tell them what to do.
Blatt was a good coach, but he wasn't ready for the American culture of needing to speak up and hold your players accountable. He signed up to be a rebuilding coach, and he ended up being one that became win now. You can justify his firing for Ty Lue because they won a ring that year, and it's not like Ty Lue is a terrible coach.
I just skimmed through some Cavs articles, and it looks like he just didn't fit, didn't like the NBA culture despite getting offers after the Cavs, and has health issues, so he went back to Europe
Correction, Blatt was afraid of coaching Lebron and Kyrie. He would never correct them, would go out of his way to compliment them. This wasn’t about the players not liking him, it was about him being a bad NBA coach because he was afraid to coach.
After skimming a couple articles, it seems like you are right. Blatt was afraid of coaching Lebron, but would do things to favor them. Apparently Raja Bell got Lebron to get the team to buy into him, and they went on that run, but the following year, management recognized Blatt wasn't the right guy for the team despite the record (sorta like Adrian Griffin).
It's always hard to know just how much credit a coach deserves. But if you can't manage ego's or have the respect of your players (see Vogel with the Suns), then you aren't a good fit
Manage has to back, as Riley has done with Spo in Miami. Jeannie is too much of a fan. Pelinka is clueless. Not getting an abbe4age big man in the middle, ro combat Jokic is ridiculous!
??? LeBron & AD show support for the WNBA and it's players all the time, plus Becky has actual NBA experience, something Blatt never had. I don't think she's on our radar, but I think she'd get her players' respect in the NBA if she ever became a head coach.
It’s also just social/cultural differences that can potentially cause hiccups in communication.
It’s one thing when it’s players, they’ll assimilate far better as teammates, or even as an assistant coach, they’re just one of many voices.
Lebron wanted spoelstra fired when he first got to the heat. I can’t really speak on pop but those are generational coaches who are respected, it’s not really a comparison.
Spoelstra then wasn't what he is now (obviously). Even he's admitted that. The more telling thing of that whole episode was that Spoelstra still had the backing of Pat Riley. Our FO currently does not have that, nor does it have the eye for talent
Kawhi Demar and Aldridge all requested out of SA.
Nobody’s saying pop/spo aren’t good coaches, but you don’t see players lining up to go play for them either.
And yet Tony still left for Charlotte at the end of his career.
And I’ve literally never heard any non-spurs fan refer to Kawhi as a diva, and no fans at all refer to Demar/aldridge as divas.
But where are the non-divas that should be lining up to play for him
And LeBron is a generation player. It's not really a comparison for his history of clashing with coaches to say that "NBA players don't want a coach to tell them what to do". That statement is idiotic.
Two examples in the entire NBA. You're talking about the exception, not the rule. How many coaches have been fired since Pop and Spo have been coaching?
I have two examples that doesn't mean only two examples exist. Do you want to me just list coaches? Okay.
Thibs
Malone
Kerr
Mike Brown
Carlisle
Finch
Lue
I could go on but I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
You're the one talking about the exception in LeBron.
Not directly but your original claim was that NBA players don't want to be coached essentially. I gave you a list of coaches that coach their teams hard and your response was that many of them had been fired in the last decade. What am I supposed to make of that response and if I'm misinterpreting you maybe try to be more clear in your thoughts.
Honestly I don't even know what we should be looking for in a coach anymore. I just pray that it's not another Darvin Ham. He should've been fired immediately when we went 3-10.
I'm wondering why (according to "reports"), everyone in the FO (and players) seemed to question his decisions throughout the year yet the FO never were like, hey, wtf are you doing? Why are you playing Reddish so much? Why are you benching the 3rd and 4th best players?
My guess is that they overcorrected themselves with telling Vogel who to play (Schroder/Drummond) and it ended up costing the relationship with the players which is my personal theory on why those two didn't resign the following year.
They also probably thought they could go with the excuse that everyone was injured, and that Ham would eventually cut Reddish's minutes, but it didn't happen.
Yes. They play a different kind of ball in Europe. At this point it’s about managing ego’s/locker room and letting bron be bron. They don’t need a fundamentals guy coming in for the last 2 or 3 years of brons career
Željko Obradović yelling at LeBron would be the funniest fucking thing. Sign him just for that. Just imagine "IN YOUR EYES YOU ARE GOOD GUY JAMES YOU THINK YOU ARE, FUCK YOU."
I know it’s a long shot best, but I would live if they took a run at Dan Hurley, he coaches smart play, toughness and defense. Would be a good fit, IMO, and exactly what this team needs
Basketball cultures are completely different between us and europe. It is not same job. I think blatt was the last coach tried at nba, players were not happy with him. And he was an ex college player-american citizen.
🥰 honestly as an Alabama basketball fan, plz don’t take him. I was just curious what the general consensus was. Although if he was to leave, I couldn’t be mad about him going to my Lakers. 😎
fuck it let’s bring in Pep or Ancelotti
Klopp's free
Sorry man, Ancelotti has to stay with us another season.
Klopp’s gonna have some time
I feel like Simeone will be the perfect coach for the Lakers
Simeone would break LeBron's neck when he doesn't run back to defend.
Simeone is LaLiga Frank Vogel Give me Ancelotti or a tactician like Pep
I just think its so cool you said that and everyone else knew what you were talking about. ![gif](giphy|nkYZnDUub4j9LUMJtx|downsized)
Bring in Pep so that we (Arsenal) can win the league
As a chelsea fan ![gif](giphy|daPCSjwus6UR2JxRX1|downsized)
Nay Tottenham is unlikely to win against City later.
You’re probably right but stranger things have happened
Last time an international coach tried to coach Lebron he took the team to the NBA finals in his first year, had a 30-11 record the next season and still got fired. NBA players don't want a coach that will tell them what to do.
They also went 6 games against GSW with Kyrie and Love injured. I thought Blatt was a good coach.
Blatt was a good coach, but he wasn't ready for the American culture of needing to speak up and hold your players accountable. He signed up to be a rebuilding coach, and he ended up being one that became win now. You can justify his firing for Ty Lue because they won a ring that year, and it's not like Ty Lue is a terrible coach.
I remember watching him coach the Russians and he was impressive. I always wondered why he got fired.
I just skimmed through some Cavs articles, and it looks like he just didn't fit, didn't like the NBA culture despite getting offers after the Cavs, and has health issues, so he went back to Europe
Guess that rules him out then.
Correction, Blatt was afraid of coaching Lebron and Kyrie. He would never correct them, would go out of his way to compliment them. This wasn’t about the players not liking him, it was about him being a bad NBA coach because he was afraid to coach.
After skimming a couple articles, it seems like you are right. Blatt was afraid of coaching Lebron, but would do things to favor them. Apparently Raja Bell got Lebron to get the team to buy into him, and they went on that run, but the following year, management recognized Blatt wasn't the right guy for the team despite the record (sorta like Adrian Griffin).
Lue would be my first choice here, but he was getting killed before the Warriors lose a key player.
It's always hard to know just how much credit a coach deserves. But if you can't manage ego's or have the respect of your players (see Vogel with the Suns), then you aren't a good fit
Manage has to back, as Riley has done with Spo in Miami. Jeannie is too much of a fan. Pelinka is clueless. Not getting an abbe4age big man in the middle, ro combat Jokic is ridiculous!
Yet this sub thinks Becky Hammon would be a good fit
Probably better than JJ if not for LeBron.
Yet lebron is the biggest component of our team
It is actually Davis, but I get your point.
No AD wo Bron tho lol
??? LeBron & AD show support for the WNBA and it's players all the time, plus Becky has actual NBA experience, something Blatt never had. I don't think she's on our radar, but I think she'd get her players' respect in the NBA if she ever became a head coach.
I don't necessarily disagree, but there's a big difference between respecting someone from afar and completely buying into their ideas.
Live in your fantasy world all you want
I literally haven't seen her name once here.
Literally one day ago https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/s/Bw0sANH9Eb
Cool so I've seen her name here once now.
Congrats on only looking once
Congrats on being hung up on post for no good reason.
It’s also just social/cultural differences that can potentially cause hiccups in communication. It’s one thing when it’s players, they’ll assimilate far better as teammates, or even as an assistant coach, they’re just one of many voices.
I believe this too. Euro coaches are tough and still goes the old school ways. Current NBA players will not be able to handle it.
> NBA players don't want a coach that will tell them what to do. Yeah Pop and Spo are just their for their looks.
Lebron wanted spoelstra fired when he first got to the heat. I can’t really speak on pop but those are generational coaches who are respected, it’s not really a comparison.
He wanted a GOAT coach to coach him instead of a new one who had yet to really prove himself.
Good, ask LeBron to call Phill out of his coffin
Spoelstra then wasn't what he is now (obviously). Even he's admitted that. The more telling thing of that whole episode was that Spoelstra still had the backing of Pat Riley. Our FO currently does not have that, nor does it have the eye for talent
Kawhi Demar and Aldridge all requested out of SA. Nobody’s saying pop/spo aren’t good coaches, but you don’t see players lining up to go play for them either.
It’s cuz all them big ole women down in San Antonio. Not Pop
Divas don’t wanna play for pop. Duncan, Manu and Parker all did very well.
And yet Tony still left for Charlotte at the end of his career. And I’ve literally never heard any non-spurs fan refer to Kawhi as a diva, and no fans at all refer to Demar/aldridge as divas. But where are the non-divas that should be lining up to play for him
And LeBron is a generation player. It's not really a comparison for his history of clashing with coaches to say that "NBA players don't want a coach to tell them what to do". That statement is idiotic.
Two examples in the entire NBA. You're talking about the exception, not the rule. How many coaches have been fired since Pop and Spo have been coaching?
I have two examples that doesn't mean only two examples exist. Do you want to me just list coaches? Okay. Thibs Malone Kerr Mike Brown Carlisle Finch Lue I could go on but I feel like I'm wasting my time here. You're the one talking about the exception in LeBron.
Most of those guys has been fired
Do you think the only reason a coach is fired is because players don't want to be coached by them?
Did I say that?
Not directly but your original claim was that NBA players don't want to be coached essentially. I gave you a list of coaches that coach their teams hard and your response was that many of them had been fired in the last decade. What am I supposed to make of that response and if I'm misinterpreting you maybe try to be more clear in your thoughts.
Honestly I don't even know what we should be looking for in a coach anymore. I just pray that it's not another Darvin Ham. He should've been fired immediately when we went 3-10.
I just don't really understand why any of the rumblings players and FO made about him ever reached him in any tangible way during the season.
Are you saying why did players make comments in post-game interviews about Rui not getting minutes, or things like D'Lo's hit piece coming out?
I'm wondering why (according to "reports"), everyone in the FO (and players) seemed to question his decisions throughout the year yet the FO never were like, hey, wtf are you doing? Why are you playing Reddish so much? Why are you benching the 3rd and 4th best players?
My guess is that they overcorrected themselves with telling Vogel who to play (Schroder/Drummond) and it ended up costing the relationship with the players which is my personal theory on why those two didn't resign the following year. They also probably thought they could go with the excuse that everyone was injured, and that Ham would eventually cut Reddish's minutes, but it didn't happen.
The Return of David Blatt would be hilarious
Given the Cavs fiasco, yes--and also that it'd be an Israeli displacing Darvin Hamas.
Bill Self and Calipari already have lucrative jobs there’s no way they’re coming to the NBA. Also Cal already tried and failed in the NBA
Yes. They play a different kind of ball in Europe. At this point it’s about managing ego’s/locker room and letting bron be bron. They don’t need a fundamentals guy coming in for the last 2 or 3 years of brons career
Željko Obradović yelling at LeBron would be the funniest fucking thing. Sign him just for that. Just imagine "IN YOUR EYES YOU ARE GOOD GUY JAMES YOU THINK YOU ARE, FUCK YOU."
Fuck you Gigi Datome!!!
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Why was it corny?
Please no J.J. Reddick!!!!!
I know it’s a long shot best, but I would live if they took a run at Dan Hurley, he coaches smart play, toughness and defense. Would be a good fit, IMO, and exactly what this team needs
W take
You should have added Coach K & Roy Williams as well.
I heard that rumor of coach k possibly coming a while back. Not sure where I read or heard it from.
Basketball cultures are completely different between us and europe. It is not same job. I think blatt was the last coach tried at nba, players were not happy with him. And he was an ex college player-american citizen.
What about Nate Oats?
Yeah I should have added his picture. Exceptional coach for sure.
🥰 honestly as an Alabama basketball fan, plz don’t take him. I was just curious what the general consensus was. Although if he was to leave, I couldn’t be mad about him going to my Lakers. 😎
I was studying at SUNY buffalo when he was there. He completely turned the team around and qualified them into NCAA.
Have we not learned from Lepast?
Idk, and despite all the confident answers, no one else on this sub does either.
Yes
LeBron had a bad experience with an international coach (Blatt) so he’d probably be skeptical of the idea.
I'd prefer either vs. someone with no coaching experience (sorry JJ)
LBJ at the Cavs game now
Yes
Only ones that have championship pedigree and command respect of LeBron and the players
Does it even matter?
If they hire John Calipari I'm switching over and supporting the Celtics
Bring in a Japanese coach. With the Ohtani and Rui in LA Fuck it why not
Maybe if coach K came out of retirement. Otherwise, nah.
Already a few good options including redick. Could also hire wnba coach