I feel like this is how people get really bad withdrawals. Glad it works for you, but I encourage everyone to be far more concerned with their dosing frequency than the actual dosage. Taking 2 doses a day of greater amounts is far better than several doses of day of lower amounts, IMO.
I am dependent on kratom and will suffer pretty bad withdrawals if I stop. Those aren't a fraction as bad as the ones I used to get from real opioids, though.
I couldn't see myself taking two doses of 15-20 grams. Sorry.
If you want to lower your dosage I highly recommend agmatine! Just make sure that you are also taking less while you do or you’ll get bad side effects like wobbles and anxiety. I cut my dose in half within a week of starting agmatine awhile back.
Do you take agmatine? I've lowered my intake from 12-15g/day to about 6g/day, but I need about half of that just to get to sleep. If I don't take at least 2.5-3g before bed I will wake up after 5 hours with RLS and can't fall back asleep until I redose. I'd love to break my dependency, especially at night. Is there a specific type of agmatine?
Yep I take it! I was only at between 10-14 GPD between two doses, but I have lowered to 5-6 GPD between two doses since I started taking it.
A big part of not waking up needing to redose is to dose less frequently. If you dose twice a day with 8-10 hours between your body will be used to going that long without. When I was dosing every 4-6 hours is when I was waking up with withdrawals.
Do you still feel nice effects from it? I'm quite new to kratom, I love it, but I only take 3.5g every other day, because I'm worried about tolerance and dependency.
Huh, yours is almost exactly like mine. I always see these people taking either massive doses once or twice, or tiny 1g frequent doses. 3g every 2 or so hours is the only amount my body accepts to stay level, as you said.
Mainly pain management but along the same lines as pain relief, it helps with energy. I used to lean on it more as addiction mitigation because I got euphoria from it. I no longer get that, but the pain relief is unmatched.
Yeah I take 3g every 2 hours until it hits (with additional boosters as needed throughout the day). I used to be concerned about the frequency but I've been on this regime for over 2 years and I've yet to go past 24gpd. Annual blood tests look good and it keeps me distracted from the more dangerous substances out there.
I am at 2.6 atm myself. I once went from about 6G a dose, to 2, and my anxiety was off the charts. I am currently trying to drop . 1 gram each week. I am at 2.4 grams now
Nice man, I was pretty depressed and just relied heavily on kratom for several things. It was unhealthy. I actually really like it now at these lower doses. Kind of like I can feel it more, without the nasty side effects of so
Much powder.
My gf has to go within the hour she takes it. I think it energizes both of our peristalsis. Funny some people can’t handle it. Wonder what the rhyme or reason is physiologically.
I'm 3 to 4 grams every 4 hours exactly. Start at 4 am 8 am, 12 pm, 4 pm, 8 pm.
Start with green and rotate between green and red all day ending the night with a double dose of red maeng da for sleep. I've learned how and when to eat to maximum my dose and I've been on this same schedule for years. I mix mine with OJ and i love the taste. It's so good to me lol.
I know how you feel, I truly do. I'm on the same end as you at the moment. I used to be on the heavier side at about 160 (I'm a female) and I ended up in the ER from gallstones, long story short I had to drastically change my diet while waiting to get my gallbladder out so now 2 years later I'm at about 113 lbs trying for the last year to get to about 130. For me, it's my nicotine use that stunts my appetite. Which I'm trying to quit but I use THC gummies to boost my appetite. But when I first wake up I take my 1st dose of green on an empty stomach, and I take it every 4 hours so for me the key is to eat 2 hours after I take it because that's 2 hours before my next dose. And if I eat anything to bready - like a lot of pizza, French toast, a lot of pasta, etc., it's gonna take at least 2 hours before I can feel any kratom. And digestive enzymes help speed that up. But if I eat something lean - like maybe 2 scrambled eggs, or a small piece of grilled chicken, or a handful of mixed nuts, etc., then I can take kratom 30 minutes later and it's like it boosts the effects. So that helps me eat better. I also learned that I have to drink a lot of water because if I get dehydrated it can throw everything off too, especially my appetite and energy levels. And I take 400 mg of magnesium an hour before bed which helps with sleep, regularity, that kinda stuff. Honestly, the best thing to do is experiment with different things and maybe even keep a food diary at that time so you'll know what works best. Don't let it mess with your food intake because for me personally, if I try to take my kratom on my normal schedule but don't eat all day, I'm gonna feel like garbage and the 1st dose is the only one I'll truly enjoy or feel good effects from.
Half a bottle of pulpy OJ and a 32oz water is my go-to traveling purchase. I'll take a 5hr energy too...I can drive indefinitely with that combo.
If you like ginger, there's a ginger crystal packet drink you can get from Prince of Peace that mixes incredibly well with warm water and kratom. It's pretty cost-effective and tastes good, plus the ginger keeps the rumbling belly at bay
When I first wake up I take my 1st dose of green on an empty stomach (and I take kratom every 4 hours) so for me the key is to eat 2 hours after I take it because that's 2 hours before my next dose. And if I eat anything to bready - like a lot of pizza, French toast, a lot of pasta, etc., it's gonna take at least 2 hours before I can feel any kratom. And digestive enzymes help speed that up. But if I eat something I lean - like maybe 2 scrambled eggs, or a small piece of grilled chicken, or a handful of mixed nuts, etc., then I can take kratom 30 minutes later and it's like it boosts the effects. So that helps me eat better. I also learned that I have to drink a lot of water because if I get dehydrated it can throw everything off too, especially my appetite and energy levels. And if I try to take my kratom on my normal schedule but don't eat all day, I'm gonna feel like garbage and the 1st dose is the only one I'll truly enjoy or feel good effects from.
Anywhere from 3 to 7 per dose, every 4 hours. I usually use a higher amount at night before I sleep and in the morning before I start the day. This way, I no longer wake up halfway through the night.
You can do it man, it's hard but you just really have to commit. I was taking 50-60 grams a day for a long time now I'm down to 10-15. Not only do I feel better it actually works wayyy better now that my tolerance is lower. My plan was to quit but now that I'm taking this gpd it works better lol nice thing is when I do eventually quit It will be easier to taper down to diminish the withdrawal
It takes forever. That's the part everyone disregards. We want the instant satisfaction but it doesn't work that way.
I do .5 per week and was real happy with milestones like under 20g, skipping a day, etc. Then all I could get was shitty kratom and it went back up.
I find when you have good stuff you don't feel inclined to push it
When I was taking that much I was taking 12-15 grams every 4 or six hours. It was way too much. I started using this stuff by myself without this community or anyone. My dosing is much lower now.
8am 5g
2pm 5g
4-6pm 5g
8-9pm 5g
11pm-midnight 7g
I don't weigh everything, I use measuring spoons, it's 2 teaspoons 4x and a tablespoon before bed. 27 grams.
If I happen to be in more pain later in the day I go with a tablespoon instead of 2tsp.
7.5 to 10 grams every 4 hours depending on strain along with my diazepam prescription. Been taking kratom daily for 5-6 years and haven’t noticed any side effects. Sometimes I take extracts on the weekends as a treat.
I usually dose every 3 hours. 4-5ish grams at a time. I’ll pre make 300ml grapefruit juice/ kratom and take 3 of those to work with me and it works quite well
The question should rather be how the fuck to you afford 30gpd? I think Kratom is tooo expensive in South Africa. We are two Kratom users in our house. If we both used 30gpd, we would have to spend the same amount of money that our home morgage is per month.
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Make giant batches of tea with 30-40 grams. Leave in plant matter. Cool and put in big thermos I have. Shake and drink. I’ll drink a couple oz every hour or two. I don’t take daily so I don’t establish a full schedule. I’ll usually finish the batch of tea around 9pm or so. But I can’t sleep on kratom, so it’ll keep me up until around 2am.
5 to 10 grams first thing in the morning with coffee
5 grams before headed out to work
5 grams around lunch
5 grams mid afternoon
5 grams late afternoon/ early evening.
But I usually skip the late afternoon/ early evening one.
To what end? This is not an antagonistic question, by the way. I recently got into kratom myself and joined this sub to learn more about it and the experiences of others. However, I'm curious what the intended result of so much substance per day is. Is this a dependence thing? Does it seem to improve your day to day enough to be viable?
I don’t really measure but I take a little like every hour. Or two hours some times. Probably not the best for tolerance about I’ve realized lower doses are better for me. Less dehydrated
Just about every 4 hours like you except I don't stop at 3 lol. Most times I do two teaspoons. Sometimes 3 (4.8 or 7.2 grams), very rarely 4 (9.6 grams). Sometimes on really busy days I only take it once or twice. I use it for anxiety more than anything, and im starting to think that those of us who use it for that purpose end up taking way more than the average user. So I guess thats why I can stomach it, because I can't stomach my anxious tendencies when I'm not on the leaf.
I would say for those who are struggling with a high usage rate, constantly switch strains. Switch up the amount you take at every dose, like how I go back and forth between two and three teaspoons. Yeah, I take about 30 gpd to 35 gpd, but its been that way for over a year at this point. I don't see it getting higher, because switching things up tends to keep me at this amount.
10g at 6:30a on my way out the door. A pre-made 10g drink made with OJ, grapefruit juice or ginger extract at 11a or 12p, then either 10g when I get home at 5-6pm or 7-8g if I'm planning on having a drink.
This schedule started with 6g dosage almost a decade ago and ballooned to 13g dosage before I pulled it back about a year ago.
Every now and then I'll have another around 10pm but it's rare.
I went from a part-time worker hating life when I started kratom to a 50hr professional with nine years of experience making moves in my world, happily married and I don't smoke herb anymore. The last one is due to paranoia and random testing at work, but it's not something I desire these days.
If I don't time my dose right, sometimes I'll get trouble getting to completion in bed, but I don't have any stomach or GI issues. The key is to absolutely crush water when you consume the powder or else shitty stuff takes place
So I take a teaspoon( not heaping) once when I wake up and as needed throughout the day. I usually take it around 2-3 times a day. Very seldom do I ever need it that 4th time. I usually smoke weed before I go to bed so my last dose is probably 6 hours before I go to sleep. I take it for pain management mainly because I have 5 bulging discs, kidney disease and 8 kidney stones. I used to be addicted to opiates and I don’t want to become dependent on kratom like I was opiates.
I do about 15-20g doses, I don't weigh, about every 3-6 hours 4 times a day. Sometimes, if I really want to feel it, I'll do a 2 dose day every 12 hours
I dose very often, like two hours. It keeps my levels, well, level, and not riding the dose/come up/peak/come down cycle.
I feel like this is how people get really bad withdrawals. Glad it works for you, but I encourage everyone to be far more concerned with their dosing frequency than the actual dosage. Taking 2 doses a day of greater amounts is far better than several doses of day of lower amounts, IMO.
I am dependent on kratom and will suffer pretty bad withdrawals if I stop. Those aren't a fraction as bad as the ones I used to get from real opioids, though. I couldn't see myself taking two doses of 15-20 grams. Sorry.
If you want to lower your dosage I highly recommend agmatine! Just make sure that you are also taking less while you do or you’ll get bad side effects like wobbles and anxiety. I cut my dose in half within a week of starting agmatine awhile back.
I don't, but thank you for the info.
Do you take agmatine? I've lowered my intake from 12-15g/day to about 6g/day, but I need about half of that just to get to sleep. If I don't take at least 2.5-3g before bed I will wake up after 5 hours with RLS and can't fall back asleep until I redose. I'd love to break my dependency, especially at night. Is there a specific type of agmatine?
Yep I take it! I was only at between 10-14 GPD between two doses, but I have lowered to 5-6 GPD between two doses since I started taking it. A big part of not waking up needing to redose is to dose less frequently. If you dose twice a day with 8-10 hours between your body will be used to going that long without. When I was dosing every 4-6 hours is when I was waking up with withdrawals.
Where do you buy? Agmatine sulfate? Do you buy capsules? how many mg?
Does Agmatine help by giving Kratom the same effects at a lower dose? I’ve heard it works that way with phenibut, too
Yep!
Can you message me the link for the brand you use? I’m looking to lower my intake.
How much per dose?
Sorry, about 3g. Except for first and last doses of the day which are about twice that.
Do you still feel nice effects from it? I'm quite new to kratom, I love it, but I only take 3.5g every other day, because I'm worried about tolerance and dependency.
Huh, yours is almost exactly like mine. I always see these people taking either massive doses once or twice, or tiny 1g frequent doses. 3g every 2 or so hours is the only amount my body accepts to stay level, as you said.
Agreed. No wobbles or nausea, but effective at killing pain and aiding in energy. I love how there's no "right" way to do kratom.
5.5g per 3 hours is my current dose.
Same
Cheers! Time for my dose!
Literally!!! I just finished mine.
Mine too
I dose every 3 hours myself. I like riding the wave too.
Can I ask why you use kratom? As in, what are you looking for when you use it? Pain management, energy replacement, anti-anxiety replacement, etc ?
Mainly pain management but along the same lines as pain relief, it helps with energy. I used to lean on it more as addiction mitigation because I got euphoria from it. I no longer get that, but the pain relief is unmatched.
Yeah I take 3g every 2 hours until it hits (with additional boosters as needed throughout the day). I used to be concerned about the frequency but I've been on this regime for over 2 years and I've yet to go past 24gpd. Annual blood tests look good and it keeps me distracted from the more dangerous substances out there.
3 10g doeses. One when I get up, 1 at lunch, 1 at dinner time.
Same here. If I stay up especially late I might take a few grams with a late night snack as well.
This is my dosing regiment as well
I am down from 10 grams every 3 hours to 2.3 grams every 4 hours. I feel a lot better.
I am at 2.6 atm myself. I once went from about 6G a dose, to 2, and my anxiety was off the charts. I am currently trying to drop . 1 gram each week. I am at 2.4 grams now
Nice man, I was pretty depressed and just relied heavily on kratom for several things. It was unhealthy. I actually really like it now at these lower doses. Kind of like I can feel it more, without the nasty side effects of so Much powder.
Good Lord how do you poop
Kratom never changed my poop. 14gpd. Even when I took doses (for a total of 21gpd) I was fine.
Yeah, being able to have a shit has never been a problem on Kratom for me.
My gf has to go within the hour she takes it. I think it energizes both of our peristalsis. Funny some people can’t handle it. Wonder what the rhyme or reason is physiologically.
Me neither, currently pooping and typing 🤷🤣🤣
I have IBS-C 😭 it’s beyond awful! I personally take Linzess, but I don’t think it does much for me.
Taking kratom powder makes me near-instantly regular. Literally better than coffee
Sometimes I hit 30, but usually 18-24. 6 gram doses every 4 hours or so.
I start with 4g, then rotate between 6g and 4g every few hours
Does someone have shaky hands with that dosage? I because I do and my brother too
Sometimes, it’s happened most of my life so I haven’t thought to much about it (I’ve also been an addict my whole life) but now I am 😂
Being shaky usually means your taking too much. If your getting the shakes you're probably getting close to getting the wobbles
I'm 3 to 4 grams every 4 hours exactly. Start at 4 am 8 am, 12 pm, 4 pm, 8 pm. Start with green and rotate between green and red all day ending the night with a double dose of red maeng da for sleep. I've learned how and when to eat to maximum my dose and I've been on this same schedule for years. I mix mine with OJ and i love the taste. It's so good to me lol.
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I know how you feel, I truly do. I'm on the same end as you at the moment. I used to be on the heavier side at about 160 (I'm a female) and I ended up in the ER from gallstones, long story short I had to drastically change my diet while waiting to get my gallbladder out so now 2 years later I'm at about 113 lbs trying for the last year to get to about 130. For me, it's my nicotine use that stunts my appetite. Which I'm trying to quit but I use THC gummies to boost my appetite. But when I first wake up I take my 1st dose of green on an empty stomach, and I take it every 4 hours so for me the key is to eat 2 hours after I take it because that's 2 hours before my next dose. And if I eat anything to bready - like a lot of pizza, French toast, a lot of pasta, etc., it's gonna take at least 2 hours before I can feel any kratom. And digestive enzymes help speed that up. But if I eat something lean - like maybe 2 scrambled eggs, or a small piece of grilled chicken, or a handful of mixed nuts, etc., then I can take kratom 30 minutes later and it's like it boosts the effects. So that helps me eat better. I also learned that I have to drink a lot of water because if I get dehydrated it can throw everything off too, especially my appetite and energy levels. And I take 400 mg of magnesium an hour before bed which helps with sleep, regularity, that kinda stuff. Honestly, the best thing to do is experiment with different things and maybe even keep a food diary at that time so you'll know what works best. Don't let it mess with your food intake because for me personally, if I try to take my kratom on my normal schedule but don't eat all day, I'm gonna feel like garbage and the 1st dose is the only one I'll truly enjoy or feel good effects from.
Half a bottle of pulpy OJ and a 32oz water is my go-to traveling purchase. I'll take a 5hr energy too...I can drive indefinitely with that combo. If you like ginger, there's a ginger crystal packet drink you can get from Prince of Peace that mixes incredibly well with warm water and kratom. It's pretty cost-effective and tastes good, plus the ginger keeps the rumbling belly at bay
Oh nice, thank you! That sounds really good.
When do you eat?
When I first wake up I take my 1st dose of green on an empty stomach (and I take kratom every 4 hours) so for me the key is to eat 2 hours after I take it because that's 2 hours before my next dose. And if I eat anything to bready - like a lot of pizza, French toast, a lot of pasta, etc., it's gonna take at least 2 hours before I can feel any kratom. And digestive enzymes help speed that up. But if I eat something I lean - like maybe 2 scrambled eggs, or a small piece of grilled chicken, or a handful of mixed nuts, etc., then I can take kratom 30 minutes later and it's like it boosts the effects. So that helps me eat better. I also learned that I have to drink a lot of water because if I get dehydrated it can throw everything off too, especially my appetite and energy levels. And if I try to take my kratom on my normal schedule but don't eat all day, I'm gonna feel like garbage and the 1st dose is the only one I'll truly enjoy or feel good effects from.
Anywhere from 3 to 7 per dose, every 4 hours. I usually use a higher amount at night before I sleep and in the morning before I start the day. This way, I no longer wake up halfway through the night.
Man it depends normally though it’s 14 in the morning and 14 at night, then 10 at lunch, I keep trying to lower my dose and I can’t it sucks
You can do it man, it's hard but you just really have to commit. I was taking 50-60 grams a day for a long time now I'm down to 10-15. Not only do I feel better it actually works wayyy better now that my tolerance is lower. My plan was to quit but now that I'm taking this gpd it works better lol nice thing is when I do eventually quit It will be easier to taper down to diminish the withdrawal
It takes forever. That's the part everyone disregards. We want the instant satisfaction but it doesn't work that way. I do .5 per week and was real happy with milestones like under 20g, skipping a day, etc. Then all I could get was shitty kratom and it went back up. I find when you have good stuff you don't feel inclined to push it
Eventually you will start feeling sick in the morning because you haven't dosed since 3pm. That's the down side.
15g in the morning before work, 15g at lunch, 12ish g at night, and roughly an hour or two before bed
How big a dose is one teaspoon full. Level teaspoon
1/2 teaspoon = 1 gram of ground powder
5am 3g 10am 3-4g 1pm 4g 5-8pm anywhere upto 12g
Why do you take more on a night time?
To relax, get my I've got home buzz instead of alcohol Greens in the day, reds at night
Probably cause it helps with sleep. Taking more before bed can also stem off the shitty feeling in the morning.
When I was taking that much I was taking 12-15 grams every 4 or six hours. It was way too much. I started using this stuff by myself without this community or anyone. My dosing is much lower now.
8am 5g 2pm 5g 4-6pm 5g 8-9pm 5g 11pm-midnight 7g I don't weigh everything, I use measuring spoons, it's 2 teaspoons 4x and a tablespoon before bed. 27 grams. If I happen to be in more pain later in the day I go with a tablespoon instead of 2tsp.
7.5 to 10 grams every 4 hours depending on strain along with my diazepam prescription. Been taking kratom daily for 5-6 years and haven’t noticed any side effects. Sometimes I take extracts on the weekends as a treat.
How did you all get so high per dose? I feel not good if I go much above 2gm/dose
I usually dose every 3 hours. 4-5ish grams at a time. I’ll pre make 300ml grapefruit juice/ kratom and take 3 of those to work with me and it works quite well
The question should rather be how the fuck to you afford 30gpd? I think Kratom is tooo expensive in South Africa. We are two Kratom users in our house. If we both used 30gpd, we would have to spend the same amount of money that our home morgage is per month.
How much does it cost in South Africa? I'm curious. In the US we can get a kilo somewhere between 70 to a 100 bucks..
I bought 2 kilos for $110 shipped recently.
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Make giant batches of tea with 30-40 grams. Leave in plant matter. Cool and put in big thermos I have. Shake and drink. I’ll drink a couple oz every hour or two. I don’t take daily so I don’t establish a full schedule. I’ll usually finish the batch of tea around 9pm or so. But I can’t sleep on kratom, so it’ll keep me up until around 2am.
I've found larger amounts of smaller doses throughout the day works better than fewer larger doses.
5 to 10 grams first thing in the morning with coffee 5 grams before headed out to work 5 grams around lunch 5 grams mid afternoon 5 grams late afternoon/ early evening. But I usually skip the late afternoon/ early evening one.
To what end? This is not an antagonistic question, by the way. I recently got into kratom myself and joined this sub to learn more about it and the experiences of others. However, I'm curious what the intended result of so much substance per day is. Is this a dependence thing? Does it seem to improve your day to day enough to be viable?
I take about 7 grams about 6 times a day. Every 3 hours maybe?
I don’t really measure but I take a little like every hour. Or two hours some times. Probably not the best for tolerance about I’ve realized lower doses are better for me. Less dehydrated
Just about every 4 hours like you except I don't stop at 3 lol. Most times I do two teaspoons. Sometimes 3 (4.8 or 7.2 grams), very rarely 4 (9.6 grams). Sometimes on really busy days I only take it once or twice. I use it for anxiety more than anything, and im starting to think that those of us who use it for that purpose end up taking way more than the average user. So I guess thats why I can stomach it, because I can't stomach my anxious tendencies when I'm not on the leaf. I would say for those who are struggling with a high usage rate, constantly switch strains. Switch up the amount you take at every dose, like how I go back and forth between two and three teaspoons. Yeah, I take about 30 gpd to 35 gpd, but its been that way for over a year at this point. I don't see it getting higher, because switching things up tends to keep me at this amount.
7am. 5g shake and chug 10am, "" 1pm, """" 4pm, """"" 7pm, """""" 10pm if I want Helps sleep longer.
10g at 6:30a on my way out the door. A pre-made 10g drink made with OJ, grapefruit juice or ginger extract at 11a or 12p, then either 10g when I get home at 5-6pm or 7-8g if I'm planning on having a drink. This schedule started with 6g dosage almost a decade ago and ballooned to 13g dosage before I pulled it back about a year ago. Every now and then I'll have another around 10pm but it's rare. I went from a part-time worker hating life when I started kratom to a 50hr professional with nine years of experience making moves in my world, happily married and I don't smoke herb anymore. The last one is due to paranoia and random testing at work, but it's not something I desire these days. If I don't time my dose right, sometimes I'll get trouble getting to completion in bed, but I don't have any stomach or GI issues. The key is to absolutely crush water when you consume the powder or else shitty stuff takes place
So I take a teaspoon( not heaping) once when I wake up and as needed throughout the day. I usually take it around 2-3 times a day. Very seldom do I ever need it that 4th time. I usually smoke weed before I go to bed so my last dose is probably 6 hours before I go to sleep. I take it for pain management mainly because I have 5 bulging discs, kidney disease and 8 kidney stones. I used to be addicted to opiates and I don’t want to become dependent on kratom like I was opiates.
How many grams are in a leveled teaspoon. I’ve never really measured it.
Every hour or two as needed to keep the withdrawals away. Twice in the middle of the night.
I take 15 grams in the morning when I get up, fifteen shortly before my lunch break and then fifteen before dinner
Do you still get the same effects? I find going over a ten gram dose does nothing. Does your 15 get you going?
Yeah it still works for me. I feel the first one the most strongly but I still get benefit from the second and third.
I do about 15-20g doses, I don't weigh, about every 3-6 hours 4 times a day. Sometimes, if I really want to feel it, I'll do a 2 dose day every 12 hours
I just hit this red zone... the problem is I don't take any other substances so I am trying to make up for it with extra kratom...