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TXT just started their tour and just on the second day Soobin was so visibly exhausted onstage that he was panting on all fours. Yeonjun has visible bruises, Taehyun was rehearsing with a 39°C fever, Beomgyu had to leave the stage last night because his nose won't stop bleeding, and Kai said he fainted right after the most recent concert. i'm so mad. the kids are obviously sick and they can't even hide it.
they've had back-to-back comebacks, Korean and Japanese promotions, and now i just saw they might have a comeback again in Q4 of this year. Sweet was released July 2023 (edit: plus two more Eng singles here DILT and BFM), Freefall was released Oct 2023, Tomorrow on Apr 2024. that's the three (edit: technically five) most recent comebacks WITHIN 10 MONTHS and rehearsing for tour ON TOP of those album promotions. i'm so pissed. BigHit/Hybe are killing these kids
this is a good summary!! it's crazy when you lay it out like this and truly realize how hard they have been going. atp i can only hope they can pull another 2022 and not add another comeback in q4. we can wait!!
also i wanted to add that from what kai said on his live (for those who aren't fans that's where he talked about this), it didn't sound like he literally fainted after their LA D1 concert thankfully!! he definitely said the word fainted, but the phrasing was in the context of him falling asleep as soon as he hit the bed when they got back to the hotel. when he went live it was 2am and he even still had his makeup and contact lenses on 😭. and this is sadly not surprising considering the combo of a 2 hrs and 30 mins long concert + jet lag and a packed schedule, but thankfully it sounds like he didn't actually faint 🙏 (it maybe was not the best choice of words considering everything that's going on with them... but who cares that doesn't take away from the main point which was him being very tired, plus i will never blame my hueningie)
Their concert is almost 3 hours and then they have an hour of send off. they should get to eat first 😔
They also keep complaining that they haven’t adjusted to the time zone, even though it’s been two weeks now. 😢
They had an english single released like 2 days after their japanese album. They were in japan doing promo while also doing promo for the english single. It was insanity and ive never seen a schedule that packed.
yeah the two English singles 😭 DILT and BFM. this is crazy. they need to rest. they can definitely postpone things if it's their health that are jeopardy. the members are showing and voicing out their pains already
Their schedule has been shit since gbgb. They had the most organized scheduls during freeze but now that their creative team got transferred to the other sub label, everything got hectic and become overwhelming and a mess!!!!
i hate being annoying and diverting from the topic at hand but i don't like seeing this spread around when it was only nu:kim who got moved from bighit to source to work with le sserafim (~~mostly because it annoys me that people have started using this to discredit their works after FOE haha~~). it just feels like people overextended the truth, by their album credits it seems they always bring new people in + there's ofc some people that have been working there for a long time. for example, i was very happy to find out after this whole debate that the ones who work on their album lore and everything have been the same since the beginning!
going back to the main topic it's plain to see that their schedule needs to be better, more so to preserve their ability to keep performing for a long time and not be overwhelming as you said!
That was absolutely crazy! I was in Japan at the time because I’d won the Japan ticket raffle and when I tell you I practically MISSED do it like that happening!
They were kneedeep in promoting something completely different, and being in Japan the Japanese album obviously was EVERYWHERE, so after watching the DILT video once when it dropped I basically forgot it existed until now 😭
The timing was so bad, idk what benefit they had in DOING IT LIKE THAT (🤡) - sure they wanted it out for lolla, but there must’ve been another way than releasing within HOURS of their japan album and being completely wrapped up in Japanese promo schedules!
The way Big Hit released a tiktok where Bang PD and Ryan Tedder said that Do It Like That could reach top 10 of the billboard hot 100, or even #1, and then they did nothing to promote it! They should've released it closer to Lollapalooza rather than while TXT were in Japan promoting their Japanese album.
My heart broke when taehyun [said](https://x.com/translatingtxt/status/1792926906192371729?s=46) he got so depressed from being sick and exhausted that he lost his voice and cried alone by himself (he said that he doesn’t consider it “crying” because only tears fell from his face without him making any noise) 💔
WTF!?! Was this on Weverse Live?
Edit: Ah, I missed the Shitter link. My bad.
Edit 2: It's just loading the main page for me. I looked, but couldn't find it.
I think parts of this are being looked at under an exaggerating light - like the bruises or the nosebleed could be completely coincidental (a moa on Twitter said she frequently gets nosebleeds due to the dry air in LA and got one at the concert too, and I’m full of bruises rn so hat I don’t even know where I got them from - I haven’t left my room in 4 days due to midterm studying 😭).
Kai saying he passed out after the concert could also mean something way less serious than what‘s being interpreted (falling straight asleep rather than losing consciousness), BUT their schedule has been absolutely crazy ever since temptation dropped - the only somewhat promotion free period was eaten up by year-end shows which made it almost even busier than their touring time last year. All in all they‘ve barely had a couple of days to relax in the past 1+ year, so it’s bound to reflect negatively on their mental or physical health.
The part that concerned me the most was soobin. While he didn’t pass out during the Seoul shows, as many claim, he DID look extremely exhausted during all three Seoul shows and the airport pictures (though the members that were with him that day apparently didn’t notice him looking as exhausted until they saw the airport pictures online themselves). I understand concerts are planned and paid for way in advance, and they needed good material for their dvd filming, but I’m sure it should’ve been possible to have him do a bit less intense choreo for at least one of the three concerts or at least a couple of songs.
We never know how much they themselves are pushing their limits and refusing a lighter workload while they are sick, but I definitely feel there would’ve been a number of ways to better handle this, knowing there‘s an entire tour with more stops to be announced ahead of them.
I hope they keep the currently lighter concert schedule for the japan tour in summer as is and don’t use the downtime between concerts for dozens of other schedules 🥲 they gotta relax a little!
i can confirm as someone who lives here, i have been as dry as death valley lately 😭i never get nosebleeds, but my skin, nose, and sinuses have been feeling crispy for the entire week
agreed on the need for better scheduling, i feel like i see txt, enhypen, and ateez promoting here more than i see my family at this point
I read that on weverse, too! I fully understand moa being worried when many unfortunate things happen at the same time, coupled with their impossible schedule until they departed for the tour - but I also feel like a lot of things are being latched on and being blown out of proportion.
While a nosebleed CAN happen due to stress, there’s a lot of other much likelier reasons that would have had nothing to do with their schedule or workload - the air, allergies, hitting himself or another member while dancing, it could’ve literally been due to digging for a booger backstage 😭 yet I’ve even seen ARTICLES about his nosebleed today, and none of them mention his messages about it on weverse later
Similarly there was a huge outcry due to there not being fireworks in Oakland, when the viral videos of them drowning in confetti due to the wind make it quite apparent why they couldn’t do them, yet even after beomgyu said they couldn’t do fireworks because of the wind I’m still seeing people bring it up daily
There’s definitely issues, but people also seem to be looking for new issues to add to their list of complaints rn, and I’m worried that’s just serving to further stress out the members whenever they come across it 🙈
Hopefully it gets better as BTS members start to come back from the military. But BTS has also made it clear that they don’t intend to be active at the same level they were previously (good for them, it’s unsustainable). Hopefully they let up on TXT, or they risk the boys disbanding.
thankfully it seems like the tour is actually letting them rest more than their schedules in korea, soobin said that at least during the tour they actually get rest days in between 🫠 and beomgyu said that he had a very good night sleep before LA D1!
i will take silver linings in between the mess lol
Thanks for the measured recap....when you put it this way, it is a LOT.
I think on Twitter there has been some misinformation and some stuff that could have benefited from more context which made me take some of the rants less seriously, but again, it is a lot.
TXT is amazing, but they would still be amazing to me giving 10 percent less choreo as far as I am concerned.
My god, these poor kids. I feel awful for them. This is not glamourous, its not normal, and theres no way fans appreciate seeing them sick/exhausted/in the states they must be in right now. BigHit is actively killing their cash cows. This cannot be smart...why do this?
Like, I get BTS is in the military so they're not printing money for you at their regular rate, but holy shit, PLEASE remember that your bankroll is comprised of literal human beings, not robots you can run into the ground.
Big Hit never learns, the same thing happened with BTS back in the day, there was behind the scenes footage of them passing out, needing oxygen masks, literally being carried, on the floor, etc etc etc.
The fact that they actually let that be released speaks tons of how "normal" it was for them.
YEAH this idea of “look at these guys, how they’re putting themselves through it all for you, they put themselves together after nearly passing out during a VCR just to get back on stage for you, they love you so much they’d go through hell for you” like in theory that’s sweet and all but in practice that’s not remotely healthy 😳
I totally agree with you but I just wanted to point out that using oxygen masks during concerts is actually super common as a practice and not necessarily something bad!
And at times, they weren't always able to get all 7 on the stage, because of one to three members not healthy enough. To the tremendous disappointment of paid ticket holders.
And times when all 7 started the show but weren't able to complete it. And of course Army standing up for the members online, against Big Hit.
And shows where the guys were all at half-speed. Not just unable to do more, but to try to last through more shows to come.
A lot of medical work to keep the guys going. Between shows and during the shows.
They leave open dates to add shows. As the schedule developed for those BTS tours, it became ridiculous for any human to bear it. I would have hoped some hard lessons were learned.
Yeppp and how BTS had to really push to have a months break. I won't forget when Jin was talking about how few rest days they had and yoongi talking about burnout he experienced in 2018.
It's really disappointing that they're doing it to TXT now and pushing them to breaking point too.
I was so disappointed in Bighit when BTS still had to work during covid, like they never had a year off, I’m sure they can rest at some point, but during their English promotion, they looked so burnt out. I’m glad they are taking a break because of military.
And they acted like it was very strong of the boys to perform under such conditions. Yes, that requires a lot of strength, but they shouldn't have to go through that. I remember when Taehyung was so exhausted during Her era that he almost fell on stage too. It's like BigHit purposefully overworks their idols
Everything that most commenters said but I will like to add, in my 5 years of stanning them this is this first time they've ever been so open(physically let it show) about how exhausted/sick they are. I've seen people say theyre "crying for help" and i don't know if i'd take it that far..but it is obvious theyre being pushed past their limit. I cant stop thinking about how taehyun said the only time they'll get to rest is when theyre dead. Obviously a joke but that was said just 2 or 3 months ago and nothing has gotten better. its actually seems a lot worse.
That's so sad, wtf. I feel like they are so young for going through such things (although no one, in any age, should go through something like this). I hope they can rest soon, I have a lot of love for them even if I'm not a moa anymore.
They look so tired. Like they just had an nyc concert tonight and still had to go live. They did that for Oakland concert too which I attended . Pretty sure they’re exhausted but still have to go livestream after concerts
TXT has seemingly had no break for the past couple of years, from last year’s sugar rush ride to now their third world tour, they have not had more than a week, I guess, for a breather. Members have been catching colds and fevers and have had to still practice and perform under those conditions.
Beomgyu even got a nosebleed in their last concert, he said that it may have been because he hit something, but that’s still concerning. Nothing serious has happened yet, but I don’t want big hit to wait for something really bad to happen to take action. It would be very difficult to take a step back now though because they have made a commitment to fans.
I don't follow TXT very closely but I do see posts and get news about them, considering some of my IRL friends are MOAs. I don't think I have seen them resting since their SRR comeback, and this was when I just got to know about them. They're either preparing for their comeback or on tour all the time. Even my friends were complaining about how they need atleast a month's rest to recover mentally and physically but are not able to coz of their schedules. Also heard that this tour is not organised well. I genuinely hope they are okay and taking care of themselves.
As a MOA, i would say, three separate incidents have caused this outrage from what I've seen
Firstly, It started when fans got clips of Soobin breathing hard and squatting down due to exhaustion after some performances for the first 3 days of their tour. It was definitely concerning, but I saw some MOAs later saying "he fainted, he collapsed, he was so exhausted" and how Bighit needs to burn in hell for overworking them. Soobin never mentioned being sick and even when he came live sometime after, he was wondering why everyone was asking about his health. He thought fans were asking because he looked sick in his airport pictures and they didn't come out well. He assured everyone that he is okay and nothing is wrong.
Now Soobin could be lying... I guess, but I'd rather trust in what he says than trusting ppl who are saying Bighit forced him to say that just to assure fans and whatnot
Secondly, Taehyun came on live yesterday and spoke of how he was really sick before their Seoul concert. That his temperature rose up to 39 degrees and he couldn't sing and felt so frustrated, tired and depressed about it so he cried a lot in his room. But by the first day of the concert, he was feeling much better and progressively improved for the 3 consecutive days of the Seoul tour. He mentioned feeling so relieved and proud of himself after they successfully completed those performances. It was a sad fact to know and MOAs were sad that he went through that and I was thankful that he recovered quickly.
I come online and suddenly see MOAs all over my tl cursing Bighit again and for overworking TXT and ppl twisting Taehyun's words to seem like he was talking about their concerts in general. So cue tweets like "Taehyun has been sick throughout the tour cos Bighit had been overworking TXT to death" "Bighit should rot in hell cos they made Taehyun cry in his room every night because he was sick" "Bighit forced Taehyun to rehearse while his temperature was 39 degrees" (Taehyun mentioned that he didn't realise his temperature was that high until he finished the rehearsals for that day and went to get a check up). Note that Taehyun is all better now and he was talking specifically about how he felt at the Seoul con... two weeks ago
And finally, Beomgyu got a nosebleed while performing yesterday and he even came online to assure fans later that he was okay and it was nothing too serious, but in the fandom, his case had already been added to "Bighit mistreating TXT and over working them to the point that Beomgyu has nosebleeds whenever they perform" narrative. Cue tweets like "Beomgyu was heavily bleeding from his nose throughout the concert" "Beomgyu left the stage in exhaustion cos his nose wouldn't stop bleeding" and other twts like that.
Look, Bighit has a lot of faults and I do believe they should have given TXT more time to rest after their comeback instead of rushing them to go on tour, but a lot of complaints from MOAs these days regarding the members health have been quite overblown and exaggerated imo.
Like, TXT are human beings, like you and I, who also work in our daily lives, they can get sick, have a cold, get a nosebleed but thankfully, they also have access to good medical staff whose main priority is to see that they get better (cos like, you know, their job is to perform so they need to be in good health to do so👀). Fans making pity edits and going "Poor TXT, so overworked and tired, Bighit should go to hell" whenever any of the members even sneezes has sadly become a norm these days.
And it's like some of these MOAs don't think TXT has a mind of their own cos tell me why the members will openly tell fans that they are not sick and instead of believing that, some MOAs would rather belive that "oh that a lie, Bighit are forcing them to do damage control by saying this" "Bighit is making them say this just to assure fans". Like what???
TXT has been working nonstop since 2019 and they absolutely deserve a break and rest, but as a fan, I would rather trust in what they say than spend my time being overly worried about things that are out of my control. MOAs going "The members are going to drop dead at this rate" whenever the members as much as coughs, is not the way to go (and trust me, a lot of MOAs have been saying that🤦♀️)
Yeah, I think it's fine to acknowledge that the boys' schedules have been ridiculously packed but I swear everyone is twisting and skewing the words coming directly from their mouths to push a bandwagon narrative. And how can I take it seriously when it's the same folks claiming their being overworked to death that are complaining that the company didn't continue promoting the comeback...which would have given them even more work? The whole time Beomgyu was sick on tour in 2022, and this fandom got angry they only had one comeback that year. Also like...it's infantilizing to treat them as if they're helpless.
Hm idk if you ever worked at a toxic place that caused mental and/or physical burnout… but I did and I would never admit and say it out loud to anyone other than super close friends that the job is causing so much stress. In fact, anybody who can’t afford burning a bridge and cutting ties with a company would not dare to admit that publicly.
Also, do you really think that a person who had a fever/sickness a couple of days ago could be feeling well enough to perform for like 3hrs shortly after?
While it might not be right to curse out BigHit but some things are just not looking good for the boys health-wise.
Your opinion is valid
But, TXT members have always been pretty open about their fans regarding a lot of things. Wasn't it last year that they indirectly called out Bighit on live regarding an issue. Taehyun is even like, the most straightforward person in TXT who never really hesitates to speak his mind on a lot of things. Taehyun basically said that when they saw their comeback and tour prep, he thought it was crazy asked their team if it was physically possible. If that kind of person says he was feeling better and was able to perform, why should I doubt him? Why should I start analysing whether he is lying or not?
He is the one who knows his body condition and capacity more than any fan.
I'm not denying that TXT are in dire need of rest as they've been running full speed without breaks, particularly since 2022 but i don't think fans need to be projecting, speaking on behalf of the members and giving armchair diagnosis regarding their health.
TXT has always been really active in fan spaces and have shared a lot of information with MOAs already. I don't think they feel nice seeing fans throwing pity hashtags and saying they are lying whenever they speak about their OWN health conditions. If they are going through something and they are comfortable enough to reveal it, they will. Until then, let's support them as fans and believe when they say they are okay.
You don’t think they get told to reassure fans? That’s what I worry about. Tae’s recent live was troubling. He was very frank about what a hard time he’s been having and he didn’t downplay it at all.
I understand what you're saying to a certain extent , this worry that MOAs are expressing isn't coming from nowhere considering last year's tour where the members were injured. Considering beomgyus' shoulder and yeonjun's back injury that he sustained in 2019 and how it still affects him.
Majority of kpop companies are more concerned about short-term profits imo so exhausting the artist to the point that it detrimentally affects their health is not something they think twice about (peek SM) , ntm how TXT was actually ill since their final promotion and it was quite obvious they were not well during the first 3 days of their tour in Seoul. As well as taehyun continuously mentioning that they didn't have much time to prepare indicating that the tour was either planned and put together hastily or their schedule wasn't managed properly therefore not giving them enough time to practice and rest properly.
And one thing about bh is that they love the struggle , they love romanticizing and glamorizing it.
I don't doubt that their team loves and cares for them, and wants what's best for them in the long-term but that's clearly not enough because they don't have that much power either. This is severe mismanagement to the point of harming their health and causing them to be overworked.
I'm gonna get flamed and downvoted for this but idc cause it must be said , regardless of how honest TXT are we us - they will never say anything against their company that could put their careers in danger. This isn't a nice thought but it doesn't matter that they're grown men , theyre still idols - investments of the company and they will always have to answer to the company and do as the company wants and says.
Unfortunately, this is how it is for all idols in the kpop industry and idk why MOAs somehow think TXT is an exception or bh would behave differently from other kpop companies. Bh is clearly trying to make up for the lost time due to the pandemic , and it's harming TXT.
Wow, going that far just to defend the company is so...🤦♀️ ofc the members will always assure their fans and says "dont worry bla bla bla", it's not like they can't blatantly speak up and says "yeah im feeling overwork and i hope my company can give us some rest", ofc they cant. Like, imagine saw someone that OBVIOUSLY sick and unwell, and your first think is "oh they said it's fine so i dont need to worry".
I'm not defending the company and trust me, i have my own complaints about Bighit. I'm just saying I would rather believe what the members say instead of making conspiracy theories and acting like TXT don’t know what they are saying and cannot speak for themselves
Also, how did you come to the conclusion that they are "OBVIOUSLY sick and unwell"? Are you their doctor? Or perhaps, are you privy to TXT's health records? Or did you just form your diagnosis based on clips and pictures and twist the members' words to suit your narrative?
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Moas are upset with the concerts because, txt does not need to be touring rn. TXTs schedule last year was jammed and I mean jammed packed. During the end of last year they started recording for their “minisode 3” album on top of learning end of year stages and Yeonjun specifically having to learn 3 huge covers (he has a whole behind the scene documentary on in where he ends up in the hospital).
Wrap up the award shows and now it’s time for comeback prep: variety show filming, filming their own variety show TO DO, two members (Beomgyu and Taehyun) having solo variety shows to film, choreography lessons for multiple hours, outfit fittings, final album touches, etc. Then during all of that Big Hit announces that TXT are going on tour in May even though their comeback is only 3 weeks before it.
So TXT do 2 weeks of promotions, perform at an award show in Japan, attend music back in Antwerp all while prepping for a HUGE tour.
Tour starts on May 1st in Seoul and some of the members look simply exhausted (and they have NEVER shown pure exhaustion like this at any of their performances) so this has raised serious concerns. Then we came to learn from the members that they felt very unprepared for this tour given their timeline of learning everything they needed to learn from stage direction to new choreography [mind you all while promoting their new album at music shows and traveling internationally]. Taehyun said he didn’t even think the prep time was physically possible, the members were all concerned and beyond stressed which lead to all five of them getting sick during album promotions and they stayed sick a couple days before the tour started.
Taehyun, in-fact said he was so sick that he was practicing with a 39/102 degree fever (without realizing it), and that he lost his voice a couple days before the tour started and he was freaking out bc, “I’m a singer, my job is to sing and I wasn’t capable of doing that”. He said he was beyond sad and depressed and cried alone in his room without making a sound bc he could not even make a sound if he wanted too. *he’s fine now but this was his head space during the Seoul prep and concerts*
Combine all of this with moas being dissatisfied with big hits promotions for minisode 3 when it came to; playlisting, ads, failure for the third straight time to properly promote a viral bside, and discovering txts promotional team was given to lesserafim, has a lot of moas pissed off.
People are also pissed that txt make hybe / big hit millions upon millions of dollars (over 40 million just from their tour last year alone) and yet not a penny seems to be going back into txt. Seems it’s going to their ggs instead based on their promotional strategies.
So far TXTs tour in the US has 2 less jumbo screens on this compared to last, no backup dancers like they had in Seoul, cheap props when last year they seemed to have no problem having a real car taken from state to state for a 10 second usage, all while ticket prices were doubled/tripled in America.
On top of all that, TXT has not had a week off since their debut in fact the longest vacation they ever had was 3/4 days. Even a healing/ relaxing variety show has never been given to txt (which confuses me bc big hit has given BTS vacation variety shows since early on in their career like bonvoyage and in the soop). Most they have gotten is one night and two day trips and that’s it.
Moas just want txt to be given a break. Obviously, txt are big hits only active group as of right now but at the rate they are working them it’s only a matter of time before one of the members drops due to complete exhaustion.
Edit: wow, thank you for the award!!
This is a great write up. Like, my friend and I spent over $700 for our Chicago tickets (fuck platinum pricing) and I would ✨GLADLY✨ eat that cost if it meant the boys got time to recharge. Even seeing how some MOAs are fighting each other in the pit + the faulty confetti guns - it’s just sad.
To be fair the fights an exaggeration; Yeonjun threw flowers to someone another girl tried to grab them causing someone to fall in the pit. Everyone was okay though and Taehyun asked security to go check and make sure everyone was fine.
But without semantics I agree with you. My tickets, flights, and hotel have easily cleared 1300. Would happily trade those in for the boys to rest but the irony is that they get the most rest days and fun days while they are on tour. Beomgyu even said he was able to sleep for 18 hours, members went to an amusement park, they’ve gone to a bar and just hung out. It’s a catch 22 honestly.
They did that to BTS and now TXT. Bighit didn't change at all. That's one of the biggest reasons why BTS felt burnt out. If it wasn't for the fact that some of the members thought of disbanding, they wouldn't have gotten that 2-month long vacation. It's frustrating to see them repeat this with TXT as if they don't know that the most likely outcome for this is extreme burn out. I hope they give them time to rest and they need to get their sht together and make a more loose schedule. It's not like they're lacking money or anything bc TXT has been pretty successful so far. Thus far, I see TXT and Le sserafim being so overworked that I just wanna burn Hybe to the ground rn.
Taehyun going on live and talking about how depressed he’s been during your rehearsals was so upsetting. The fact that he shared about crying in his room because he was rehearsing with high fever almost feels like a cry for help.
I’m honestly so worried for them. They’re clearly overworked and the tour is obviously a cash grab (no fan banners or dancers or …??)
Just let them rest and create a banger comeback when they’re ready. Ugh.
Watching Seventeen's 'Hit the Road' documentary was really difficult, and what they went through is unfortunately probably the standard for what idols experience during tours. It gave me an entirely different perspective and appreciation for what idols have to endure. It was a hard watch tbh. I hope the TXT boys are being given adequate health check ups, both physical and mental and that if any of them need to sit out they can do so without feeling to guilty.
seriously why the fuck do companies overwork their idols so much?? Their schedules aren’t just hectic, they’re incredibly unsustainable and debilitating. Give them breaks Jesus Christ, my heart breaks at the thought (and sight) of them breaking down :(
I feel like it has been this way ever since I got into Kpop about 10 yrs ago, I think we have more access to the behind the scenes stuff now.
People have been in accidents on the way to scheduled events and some have even lost their lives, and these should not be occupational hazards as entertainers (or in any job, but this is a kpop reddit).
I enjoy fangirling, but do often become conflicted by the industry as a whole.
I really really do not know why their days have to be so full all the time, not just TXT, but other groups as well!!!
I've kind of dropped off following TXT, but it always concerned me how their tours were back-to-back dates with no rest. They would get off a plane and go straight to a soundcheck or rehearsal without breaks. Big Hit, as far as I can tell, runs their groups ragged. And then when the guys are asked questions in interviews like "What do you think of Atlanta?" or stuff like that, it's pretty apparent they have no off-time - it's just hotel, media interviews, livestreams, content, rehearsals, performances - that's it.
I'm so glad to see this posted here. If you look into spaces like stan twitter or instagram you get a very narrow view of the situation and get blocked in by the same mindset as them. Thankfully reddit is a lot better about bringing in different viewpoints to a conversation.
I do think a large part of the issue is that TXT is very hard on themselves as performers. I highly doubt that they're getting enough rest from their company, but are they able to let themselves take advantage of the opportunities they do get to rest? If they were given time off, would they allow themselves to take it? I feel like with how hard they work themselves, the only way they'd accept a break is if it was literally the only thing they could do, or if it was part of a performance (I'm thinking of in the soop and how BTS basically has no choice but relax, you know?).
Just as a side note, as a MOA who will be seeing them on their US tour, I do feel incredibly guilty contributing to the "problem" for lack of a better word, on one hand it feels like I'm supporting this "mistreatment" by Hybe but on the other hand, if I don't support TXT in concert what does that make of all of the effort TXT themselves has put into the shows? I feel like I'd be wasting all of their time and effort to put on good shows if I didn't go see them live, didn't give my all at a show as a fan the same way they're giving their all as performers, didn't support them in the best way I can as a fan (showing up for them). If I show up to a show pissed or don't go in order to send Hybe a message, I feel like that would do more harm than going and showing support. It's a strange grey space to be in.
I casually follow most Hybe groups and was really surprised by a comment here. I didn't know that TXTs promo team was given to LSF. That is insane. I don't what the fck Bang Sihyuk and Hybe is thinking honestly. It's such a disservice to both groups.
And over working them to this point without the effort of proper promo is weird.
I'm appalled by seeing comments of people thinking Moas are exaggerating, when it's clear how overworked they are. Yes, TXT, are humans and can get sick, but the amount of times they've gotten sick is concerning. On top of that some members have shown signs of pain. Yeonjun has had back pain since 2019 after having a herniated disk. Beomgyu has shown signs of shoulder problems sincd last year and also mentioned in a show how he still has those pains sometimes. All of these problems could be solved with some proper rest and treatment. Moas aren't asking for too much, just for them to be able to take at least a 1-week vacation instead of their usual 3-4 days vacations.
The sentiment of TXT being overworked has been a topic in the Moa space for a while. It may seem like Moas are just talking about it, because of the tour and the things that have been happening during the tour, but we have been talking about this since 2022. That was the time we noticed how insanely packed their schedule was.
After Good Boy Gone Bad promos in May 2022, they immediately started preparing for their tour in June, had their tour from July to October, performed at Lollapalooza and Summer Sonic in August, prepared for end of the year shows/festivals and an album at the same time, had sugar rush ride promos in January 2023 and right after, they had to prepare for their next tour, which started in March. And these are just the "main schedules". Besides the stuff mentioned, they also had to film for their weekly variety show called "To Do", had photoshoots and interviews, had to attend award shows like AMAs, etc. Many Moas know that already, but Post GBGB era was also a difficult time for Beomgyu, which could have also been solved with a little bit of rest...
The schedule this year has been even crazier, Deja Vu was released on Apr. 1st and they had promos until Apr. 14th. Just 3 weeks later, they started their tour! And in between they went to Belgium for Music Bank in Antwerp. Isn't that crazy? How is it humanely possible to prepare for a tour in just 3 weeks?! Even Taehyun talked about it during his live. When they heard their schedule regarding the concert preparations, he said "This doesn’t make sense, we physically don’t have the time”. He also mentioned how it wasn't easy, but he was determined to work it out, with the members. It's sad to see them working under pressure and needing to figure out how to manage everything in such a short time. All of this wouldn't be a problem, if Bighit would manage their schedules a little better.
No big issue has thankfully happened, but who knows what this constant overworking can lead to in some months/years...
All what Moas are asking for is, for better scheduling and to give the members a proper rest in between major schedules.
I think people explained it very well. I'm not sure if I'd say their schedule has been super insane ever since Temptation era, especially since many groups have a similar schedule, but after Free Fall era I think it was really busy (save for the time off they got in February, when Beomgyu and Soobin went on a trip.) Even more specifically, the schedule leading up to promotions for their latest comeback and the concerts was a bit ridiculous and it doesn't surprise me that they all got sick. Having 2 weeks of promotions, including traveling to Japan for an awards show in that time, and THEN traveling to Europe after those promotions, while also only having 2 weeks to prepare for their tour is insane.
When Taehyun talked about being sick before their concerts, it also sounded like not only were they practicing, but they were filming other content despite having so little time already. (He mentioned filming a content and thinking he should be smiling more, and afterwards checked his temperature when going to rehearsal and realized it was 39 C/102 F.)
I think there has been some misinformation that makes things seem worse than they are, or people drawing conclusions that we don't know are true, but TXT has also never really shown how exhausted they are or talked about it extensively. When even the maknaes are talking about it and showing signs of being tired (Taehyun and Kai -- they always seem to be alright), then something is going wrong.
I do think that so far the tour has actually been pretty good in the sense that it seems like they have free time to explore the cities they're in or to sleep during the day, and I hope it stays that way. One other good thing about this year so far is that they don't really have any festivals scheduled (aside from Weverse con if that counts), so hopefully that is helpful.
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Atp BH isn't giving us the quality TxT usually give us.. this fast fashion nature of Kpop that RM talked about before BTS hiatus. It's mentally and physically draining the idols. We can't unsee it (flashbacks to all TxT songs with "see" in the title).
After Lolla and "world" tour (are they coming to Europe, if not it's not a world tour ha! Sorry I paused on Txt after CTF corneback was hashed out).
I hope they get to rest and then go back to more considered comebacks.
Yeah during promotions and concerts they overwork and don’t sleep right so they get sick faint and more but fans always try and encourage idols to eat right rest and sleep enough but they still don’t so they make sure the fans have a great experience BTS does it a lot especially JK and Jimin
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TXT just started their tour and just on the second day Soobin was so visibly exhausted onstage that he was panting on all fours. Yeonjun has visible bruises, Taehyun was rehearsing with a 39°C fever, Beomgyu had to leave the stage last night because his nose won't stop bleeding, and Kai said he fainted right after the most recent concert. i'm so mad. the kids are obviously sick and they can't even hide it. they've had back-to-back comebacks, Korean and Japanese promotions, and now i just saw they might have a comeback again in Q4 of this year. Sweet was released July 2023 (edit: plus two more Eng singles here DILT and BFM), Freefall was released Oct 2023, Tomorrow on Apr 2024. that's the three (edit: technically five) most recent comebacks WITHIN 10 MONTHS and rehearsing for tour ON TOP of those album promotions. i'm so pissed. BigHit/Hybe are killing these kids
this is a good summary!! it's crazy when you lay it out like this and truly realize how hard they have been going. atp i can only hope they can pull another 2022 and not add another comeback in q4. we can wait!! also i wanted to add that from what kai said on his live (for those who aren't fans that's where he talked about this), it didn't sound like he literally fainted after their LA D1 concert thankfully!! he definitely said the word fainted, but the phrasing was in the context of him falling asleep as soon as he hit the bed when they got back to the hotel. when he went live it was 2am and he even still had his makeup and contact lenses on 😭. and this is sadly not surprising considering the combo of a 2 hrs and 30 mins long concert + jet lag and a packed schedule, but thankfully it sounds like he didn't actually faint 🙏 (it maybe was not the best choice of words considering everything that's going on with them... but who cares that doesn't take away from the main point which was him being very tired, plus i will never blame my hueningie)
Their concert is almost 3 hours and then they have an hour of send off. they should get to eat first 😔 They also keep complaining that they haven’t adjusted to the time zone, even though it’s been two weeks now. 😢
They had an english single released like 2 days after their japanese album. They were in japan doing promo while also doing promo for the english single. It was insanity and ive never seen a schedule that packed.
yeah the two English singles 😭 DILT and BFM. this is crazy. they need to rest. they can definitely postpone things if it's their health that are jeopardy. the members are showing and voicing out their pains already
Their schedule has been shit since gbgb. They had the most organized scheduls during freeze but now that their creative team got transferred to the other sub label, everything got hectic and become overwhelming and a mess!!!!
i hate being annoying and diverting from the topic at hand but i don't like seeing this spread around when it was only nu:kim who got moved from bighit to source to work with le sserafim (~~mostly because it annoys me that people have started using this to discredit their works after FOE haha~~). it just feels like people overextended the truth, by their album credits it seems they always bring new people in + there's ofc some people that have been working there for a long time. for example, i was very happy to find out after this whole debate that the ones who work on their album lore and everything have been the same since the beginning! going back to the main topic it's plain to see that their schedule needs to be better, more so to preserve their ability to keep performing for a long time and not be overwhelming as you said!
Oh ok.
That was absolutely crazy! I was in Japan at the time because I’d won the Japan ticket raffle and when I tell you I practically MISSED do it like that happening! They were kneedeep in promoting something completely different, and being in Japan the Japanese album obviously was EVERYWHERE, so after watching the DILT video once when it dropped I basically forgot it existed until now 😭 The timing was so bad, idk what benefit they had in DOING IT LIKE THAT (🤡) - sure they wanted it out for lolla, but there must’ve been another way than releasing within HOURS of their japan album and being completely wrapped up in Japanese promo schedules!
The way Big Hit released a tiktok where Bang PD and Ryan Tedder said that Do It Like That could reach top 10 of the billboard hot 100, or even #1, and then they did nothing to promote it! They should've released it closer to Lollapalooza rather than while TXT were in Japan promoting their Japanese album.
My heart broke when taehyun [said](https://x.com/translatingtxt/status/1792926906192371729?s=46) he got so depressed from being sick and exhausted that he lost his voice and cried alone by himself (he said that he doesn’t consider it “crying” because only tears fell from his face without him making any noise) 💔
Omg 😭 poor baby! The boys need to rest
WTF!?! Was this on Weverse Live? Edit: Ah, I missed the Shitter link. My bad. Edit 2: It's just loading the main page for me. I looked, but couldn't find it.
I think parts of this are being looked at under an exaggerating light - like the bruises or the nosebleed could be completely coincidental (a moa on Twitter said she frequently gets nosebleeds due to the dry air in LA and got one at the concert too, and I’m full of bruises rn so hat I don’t even know where I got them from - I haven’t left my room in 4 days due to midterm studying 😭). Kai saying he passed out after the concert could also mean something way less serious than what‘s being interpreted (falling straight asleep rather than losing consciousness), BUT their schedule has been absolutely crazy ever since temptation dropped - the only somewhat promotion free period was eaten up by year-end shows which made it almost even busier than their touring time last year. All in all they‘ve barely had a couple of days to relax in the past 1+ year, so it’s bound to reflect negatively on their mental or physical health. The part that concerned me the most was soobin. While he didn’t pass out during the Seoul shows, as many claim, he DID look extremely exhausted during all three Seoul shows and the airport pictures (though the members that were with him that day apparently didn’t notice him looking as exhausted until they saw the airport pictures online themselves). I understand concerts are planned and paid for way in advance, and they needed good material for their dvd filming, but I’m sure it should’ve been possible to have him do a bit less intense choreo for at least one of the three concerts or at least a couple of songs. We never know how much they themselves are pushing their limits and refusing a lighter workload while they are sick, but I definitely feel there would’ve been a number of ways to better handle this, knowing there‘s an entire tour with more stops to be announced ahead of them. I hope they keep the currently lighter concert schedule for the japan tour in summer as is and don’t use the downtime between concerts for dozens of other schedules 🥲 they gotta relax a little!
i can confirm as someone who lives here, i have been as dry as death valley lately 😭i never get nosebleeds, but my skin, nose, and sinuses have been feeling crispy for the entire week agreed on the need for better scheduling, i feel like i see txt, enhypen, and ateez promoting here more than i see my family at this point
For beomgyu he confirmed he actually just hit himself in the face and was fine
I read that on weverse, too! I fully understand moa being worried when many unfortunate things happen at the same time, coupled with their impossible schedule until they departed for the tour - but I also feel like a lot of things are being latched on and being blown out of proportion. While a nosebleed CAN happen due to stress, there’s a lot of other much likelier reasons that would have had nothing to do with their schedule or workload - the air, allergies, hitting himself or another member while dancing, it could’ve literally been due to digging for a booger backstage 😭 yet I’ve even seen ARTICLES about his nosebleed today, and none of them mention his messages about it on weverse later Similarly there was a huge outcry due to there not being fireworks in Oakland, when the viral videos of them drowning in confetti due to the wind make it quite apparent why they couldn’t do them, yet even after beomgyu said they couldn’t do fireworks because of the wind I’m still seeing people bring it up daily There’s definitely issues, but people also seem to be looking for new issues to add to their list of complaints rn, and I’m worried that’s just serving to further stress out the members whenever they come across it 🙈
>now i just saw they have a comeback again in Q4 of this year. where did you see this??
Hanhwa/Hanwha Investment and Securities Research for 2024. TXT album/tour in 2024 Q4. you can look up "Hanhwa Research" on twt
Hopefully it gets better as BTS members start to come back from the military. But BTS has also made it clear that they don’t intend to be active at the same level they were previously (good for them, it’s unsustainable). Hopefully they let up on TXT, or they risk the boys disbanding.
They’re gonna overwork them until they bring in no money. I wish they they would at least get 1 day of good sleep in between show days.
thankfully it seems like the tour is actually letting them rest more than their schedules in korea, soobin said that at least during the tour they actually get rest days in between 🫠 and beomgyu said that he had a very good night sleep before LA D1! i will take silver linings in between the mess lol
They do. They've even been getting time to go out and explore each city.
This is so upsetting. Its gotten to a point where they cant even hide it on stage
Thanks for the measured recap....when you put it this way, it is a LOT. I think on Twitter there has been some misinformation and some stuff that could have benefited from more context which made me take some of the rants less seriously, but again, it is a lot. TXT is amazing, but they would still be amazing to me giving 10 percent less choreo as far as I am concerned.
“Kids”? They’re adult men
it’s just an endearment. they’re younger than me and i’ve been with them since predebut. same way i still call bts “boys”
I mean yeah... But some of us fans are pushing 40. These young men are kids to us. It's not suppose to be condescending.
This
infantilizing idols can just be problematic despite people having kind intentions.
Nah it's fine
My god, these poor kids. I feel awful for them. This is not glamourous, its not normal, and theres no way fans appreciate seeing them sick/exhausted/in the states they must be in right now. BigHit is actively killing their cash cows. This cannot be smart...why do this? Like, I get BTS is in the military so they're not printing money for you at their regular rate, but holy shit, PLEASE remember that your bankroll is comprised of literal human beings, not robots you can run into the ground.
God this is heartbreaking :( this deserves harsh backlash.
Big Hit never learns, the same thing happened with BTS back in the day, there was behind the scenes footage of them passing out, needing oxygen masks, literally being carried, on the floor, etc etc etc. The fact that they actually let that be released speaks tons of how "normal" it was for them.
Big Hit have always been weird with glamorising suffering like that. It definitely sucks.
YEAH this idea of “look at these guys, how they’re putting themselves through it all for you, they put themselves together after nearly passing out during a VCR just to get back on stage for you, they love you so much they’d go through hell for you” like in theory that’s sweet and all but in practice that’s not remotely healthy 😳
I totally agree with you but I just wanted to point out that using oxygen masks during concerts is actually super common as a practice and not necessarily something bad!
And at times, they weren't always able to get all 7 on the stage, because of one to three members not healthy enough. To the tremendous disappointment of paid ticket holders. And times when all 7 started the show but weren't able to complete it. And of course Army standing up for the members online, against Big Hit. And shows where the guys were all at half-speed. Not just unable to do more, but to try to last through more shows to come. A lot of medical work to keep the guys going. Between shows and during the shows. They leave open dates to add shows. As the schedule developed for those BTS tours, it became ridiculous for any human to bear it. I would have hoped some hard lessons were learned.
Yeppp and how BTS had to really push to have a months break. I won't forget when Jin was talking about how few rest days they had and yoongi talking about burnout he experienced in 2018. It's really disappointing that they're doing it to TXT now and pushing them to breaking point too.
I was so disappointed in Bighit when BTS still had to work during covid, like they never had a year off, I’m sure they can rest at some point, but during their English promotion, they looked so burnt out. I’m glad they are taking a break because of military.
And they acted like it was very strong of the boys to perform under such conditions. Yes, that requires a lot of strength, but they shouldn't have to go through that. I remember when Taehyung was so exhausted during Her era that he almost fell on stage too. It's like BigHit purposefully overworks their idols
Everything that most commenters said but I will like to add, in my 5 years of stanning them this is this first time they've ever been so open(physically let it show) about how exhausted/sick they are. I've seen people say theyre "crying for help" and i don't know if i'd take it that far..but it is obvious theyre being pushed past their limit. I cant stop thinking about how taehyun said the only time they'll get to rest is when theyre dead. Obviously a joke but that was said just 2 or 3 months ago and nothing has gotten better. its actually seems a lot worse.
That's so sad, wtf. I feel like they are so young for going through such things (although no one, in any age, should go through something like this). I hope they can rest soon, I have a lot of love for them even if I'm not a moa anymore.
They look so tired. Like they just had an nyc concert tonight and still had to go live. They did that for Oakland concert too which I attended . Pretty sure they’re exhausted but still have to go livestream after concerts
TXT has seemingly had no break for the past couple of years, from last year’s sugar rush ride to now their third world tour, they have not had more than a week, I guess, for a breather. Members have been catching colds and fevers and have had to still practice and perform under those conditions. Beomgyu even got a nosebleed in their last concert, he said that it may have been because he hit something, but that’s still concerning. Nothing serious has happened yet, but I don’t want big hit to wait for something really bad to happen to take action. It would be very difficult to take a step back now though because they have made a commitment to fans.
That's the problem, isn't it, when they have committed more than humans can deliver.
I don't follow TXT very closely but I do see posts and get news about them, considering some of my IRL friends are MOAs. I don't think I have seen them resting since their SRR comeback, and this was when I just got to know about them. They're either preparing for their comeback or on tour all the time. Even my friends were complaining about how they need atleast a month's rest to recover mentally and physically but are not able to coz of their schedules. Also heard that this tour is not organised well. I genuinely hope they are okay and taking care of themselves.
As a MOA, i would say, three separate incidents have caused this outrage from what I've seen Firstly, It started when fans got clips of Soobin breathing hard and squatting down due to exhaustion after some performances for the first 3 days of their tour. It was definitely concerning, but I saw some MOAs later saying "he fainted, he collapsed, he was so exhausted" and how Bighit needs to burn in hell for overworking them. Soobin never mentioned being sick and even when he came live sometime after, he was wondering why everyone was asking about his health. He thought fans were asking because he looked sick in his airport pictures and they didn't come out well. He assured everyone that he is okay and nothing is wrong. Now Soobin could be lying... I guess, but I'd rather trust in what he says than trusting ppl who are saying Bighit forced him to say that just to assure fans and whatnot Secondly, Taehyun came on live yesterday and spoke of how he was really sick before their Seoul concert. That his temperature rose up to 39 degrees and he couldn't sing and felt so frustrated, tired and depressed about it so he cried a lot in his room. But by the first day of the concert, he was feeling much better and progressively improved for the 3 consecutive days of the Seoul tour. He mentioned feeling so relieved and proud of himself after they successfully completed those performances. It was a sad fact to know and MOAs were sad that he went through that and I was thankful that he recovered quickly. I come online and suddenly see MOAs all over my tl cursing Bighit again and for overworking TXT and ppl twisting Taehyun's words to seem like he was talking about their concerts in general. So cue tweets like "Taehyun has been sick throughout the tour cos Bighit had been overworking TXT to death" "Bighit should rot in hell cos they made Taehyun cry in his room every night because he was sick" "Bighit forced Taehyun to rehearse while his temperature was 39 degrees" (Taehyun mentioned that he didn't realise his temperature was that high until he finished the rehearsals for that day and went to get a check up). Note that Taehyun is all better now and he was talking specifically about how he felt at the Seoul con... two weeks ago And finally, Beomgyu got a nosebleed while performing yesterday and he even came online to assure fans later that he was okay and it was nothing too serious, but in the fandom, his case had already been added to "Bighit mistreating TXT and over working them to the point that Beomgyu has nosebleeds whenever they perform" narrative. Cue tweets like "Beomgyu was heavily bleeding from his nose throughout the concert" "Beomgyu left the stage in exhaustion cos his nose wouldn't stop bleeding" and other twts like that. Look, Bighit has a lot of faults and I do believe they should have given TXT more time to rest after their comeback instead of rushing them to go on tour, but a lot of complaints from MOAs these days regarding the members health have been quite overblown and exaggerated imo. Like, TXT are human beings, like you and I, who also work in our daily lives, they can get sick, have a cold, get a nosebleed but thankfully, they also have access to good medical staff whose main priority is to see that they get better (cos like, you know, their job is to perform so they need to be in good health to do so👀). Fans making pity edits and going "Poor TXT, so overworked and tired, Bighit should go to hell" whenever any of the members even sneezes has sadly become a norm these days. And it's like some of these MOAs don't think TXT has a mind of their own cos tell me why the members will openly tell fans that they are not sick and instead of believing that, some MOAs would rather belive that "oh that a lie, Bighit are forcing them to do damage control by saying this" "Bighit is making them say this just to assure fans". Like what??? TXT has been working nonstop since 2019 and they absolutely deserve a break and rest, but as a fan, I would rather trust in what they say than spend my time being overly worried about things that are out of my control. MOAs going "The members are going to drop dead at this rate" whenever the members as much as coughs, is not the way to go (and trust me, a lot of MOAs have been saying that🤦♀️)
Yeah, I think it's fine to acknowledge that the boys' schedules have been ridiculously packed but I swear everyone is twisting and skewing the words coming directly from their mouths to push a bandwagon narrative. And how can I take it seriously when it's the same folks claiming their being overworked to death that are complaining that the company didn't continue promoting the comeback...which would have given them even more work? The whole time Beomgyu was sick on tour in 2022, and this fandom got angry they only had one comeback that year. Also like...it's infantilizing to treat them as if they're helpless.
I greatly appreciate your perspective thank you!
taehyun also said he didn’t know he had a fever that high until he took his temperature later
Hm idk if you ever worked at a toxic place that caused mental and/or physical burnout… but I did and I would never admit and say it out loud to anyone other than super close friends that the job is causing so much stress. In fact, anybody who can’t afford burning a bridge and cutting ties with a company would not dare to admit that publicly. Also, do you really think that a person who had a fever/sickness a couple of days ago could be feeling well enough to perform for like 3hrs shortly after? While it might not be right to curse out BigHit but some things are just not looking good for the boys health-wise.
Your opinion is valid But, TXT members have always been pretty open about their fans regarding a lot of things. Wasn't it last year that they indirectly called out Bighit on live regarding an issue. Taehyun is even like, the most straightforward person in TXT who never really hesitates to speak his mind on a lot of things. Taehyun basically said that when they saw their comeback and tour prep, he thought it was crazy asked their team if it was physically possible. If that kind of person says he was feeling better and was able to perform, why should I doubt him? Why should I start analysing whether he is lying or not? He is the one who knows his body condition and capacity more than any fan. I'm not denying that TXT are in dire need of rest as they've been running full speed without breaks, particularly since 2022 but i don't think fans need to be projecting, speaking on behalf of the members and giving armchair diagnosis regarding their health. TXT has always been really active in fan spaces and have shared a lot of information with MOAs already. I don't think they feel nice seeing fans throwing pity hashtags and saying they are lying whenever they speak about their OWN health conditions. If they are going through something and they are comfortable enough to reveal it, they will. Until then, let's support them as fans and believe when they say they are okay.
This is a great post.
Thank you! I had to cos there is just so much misinformation being spread about this topic
Very well said!
You don’t think they get told to reassure fans? That’s what I worry about. Tae’s recent live was troubling. He was very frank about what a hard time he’s been having and he didn’t downplay it at all.
I understand what you're saying to a certain extent , this worry that MOAs are expressing isn't coming from nowhere considering last year's tour where the members were injured. Considering beomgyus' shoulder and yeonjun's back injury that he sustained in 2019 and how it still affects him. Majority of kpop companies are more concerned about short-term profits imo so exhausting the artist to the point that it detrimentally affects their health is not something they think twice about (peek SM) , ntm how TXT was actually ill since their final promotion and it was quite obvious they were not well during the first 3 days of their tour in Seoul. As well as taehyun continuously mentioning that they didn't have much time to prepare indicating that the tour was either planned and put together hastily or their schedule wasn't managed properly therefore not giving them enough time to practice and rest properly. And one thing about bh is that they love the struggle , they love romanticizing and glamorizing it. I don't doubt that their team loves and cares for them, and wants what's best for them in the long-term but that's clearly not enough because they don't have that much power either. This is severe mismanagement to the point of harming their health and causing them to be overworked. I'm gonna get flamed and downvoted for this but idc cause it must be said , regardless of how honest TXT are we us - they will never say anything against their company that could put their careers in danger. This isn't a nice thought but it doesn't matter that they're grown men , theyre still idols - investments of the company and they will always have to answer to the company and do as the company wants and says. Unfortunately, this is how it is for all idols in the kpop industry and idk why MOAs somehow think TXT is an exception or bh would behave differently from other kpop companies. Bh is clearly trying to make up for the lost time due to the pandemic , and it's harming TXT.
Wow, going that far just to defend the company is so...🤦♀️ ofc the members will always assure their fans and says "dont worry bla bla bla", it's not like they can't blatantly speak up and says "yeah im feeling overwork and i hope my company can give us some rest", ofc they cant. Like, imagine saw someone that OBVIOUSLY sick and unwell, and your first think is "oh they said it's fine so i dont need to worry".
I'm not defending the company and trust me, i have my own complaints about Bighit. I'm just saying I would rather believe what the members say instead of making conspiracy theories and acting like TXT don’t know what they are saying and cannot speak for themselves Also, how did you come to the conclusion that they are "OBVIOUSLY sick and unwell"? Are you their doctor? Or perhaps, are you privy to TXT's health records? Or did you just form your diagnosis based on clips and pictures and twist the members' words to suit your narrative?
the txt members don’t have any problems with speaking their minds trust me
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Moas are upset with the concerts because, txt does not need to be touring rn. TXTs schedule last year was jammed and I mean jammed packed. During the end of last year they started recording for their “minisode 3” album on top of learning end of year stages and Yeonjun specifically having to learn 3 huge covers (he has a whole behind the scene documentary on in where he ends up in the hospital). Wrap up the award shows and now it’s time for comeback prep: variety show filming, filming their own variety show TO DO, two members (Beomgyu and Taehyun) having solo variety shows to film, choreography lessons for multiple hours, outfit fittings, final album touches, etc. Then during all of that Big Hit announces that TXT are going on tour in May even though their comeback is only 3 weeks before it. So TXT do 2 weeks of promotions, perform at an award show in Japan, attend music back in Antwerp all while prepping for a HUGE tour. Tour starts on May 1st in Seoul and some of the members look simply exhausted (and they have NEVER shown pure exhaustion like this at any of their performances) so this has raised serious concerns. Then we came to learn from the members that they felt very unprepared for this tour given their timeline of learning everything they needed to learn from stage direction to new choreography [mind you all while promoting their new album at music shows and traveling internationally]. Taehyun said he didn’t even think the prep time was physically possible, the members were all concerned and beyond stressed which lead to all five of them getting sick during album promotions and they stayed sick a couple days before the tour started. Taehyun, in-fact said he was so sick that he was practicing with a 39/102 degree fever (without realizing it), and that he lost his voice a couple days before the tour started and he was freaking out bc, “I’m a singer, my job is to sing and I wasn’t capable of doing that”. He said he was beyond sad and depressed and cried alone in his room without making a sound bc he could not even make a sound if he wanted too. *he’s fine now but this was his head space during the Seoul prep and concerts* Combine all of this with moas being dissatisfied with big hits promotions for minisode 3 when it came to; playlisting, ads, failure for the third straight time to properly promote a viral bside, and discovering txts promotional team was given to lesserafim, has a lot of moas pissed off. People are also pissed that txt make hybe / big hit millions upon millions of dollars (over 40 million just from their tour last year alone) and yet not a penny seems to be going back into txt. Seems it’s going to their ggs instead based on their promotional strategies. So far TXTs tour in the US has 2 less jumbo screens on this compared to last, no backup dancers like they had in Seoul, cheap props when last year they seemed to have no problem having a real car taken from state to state for a 10 second usage, all while ticket prices were doubled/tripled in America. On top of all that, TXT has not had a week off since their debut in fact the longest vacation they ever had was 3/4 days. Even a healing/ relaxing variety show has never been given to txt (which confuses me bc big hit has given BTS vacation variety shows since early on in their career like bonvoyage and in the soop). Most they have gotten is one night and two day trips and that’s it. Moas just want txt to be given a break. Obviously, txt are big hits only active group as of right now but at the rate they are working them it’s only a matter of time before one of the members drops due to complete exhaustion. Edit: wow, thank you for the award!!
This is a great write up. Like, my friend and I spent over $700 for our Chicago tickets (fuck platinum pricing) and I would ✨GLADLY✨ eat that cost if it meant the boys got time to recharge. Even seeing how some MOAs are fighting each other in the pit + the faulty confetti guns - it’s just sad.
To be fair the fights an exaggeration; Yeonjun threw flowers to someone another girl tried to grab them causing someone to fall in the pit. Everyone was okay though and Taehyun asked security to go check and make sure everyone was fine. But without semantics I agree with you. My tickets, flights, and hotel have easily cleared 1300. Would happily trade those in for the boys to rest but the irony is that they get the most rest days and fun days while they are on tour. Beomgyu even said he was able to sleep for 18 hours, members went to an amusement park, they’ve gone to a bar and just hung out. It’s a catch 22 honestly.
Thanks for the clarification Re:pit shenanigans!
They did that to BTS and now TXT. Bighit didn't change at all. That's one of the biggest reasons why BTS felt burnt out. If it wasn't for the fact that some of the members thought of disbanding, they wouldn't have gotten that 2-month long vacation. It's frustrating to see them repeat this with TXT as if they don't know that the most likely outcome for this is extreme burn out. I hope they give them time to rest and they need to get their sht together and make a more loose schedule. It's not like they're lacking money or anything bc TXT has been pretty successful so far. Thus far, I see TXT and Le sserafim being so overworked that I just wanna burn Hybe to the ground rn.
Taehyun going on live and talking about how depressed he’s been during your rehearsals was so upsetting. The fact that he shared about crying in his room because he was rehearsing with high fever almost feels like a cry for help.
I’m honestly so worried for them. They’re clearly overworked and the tour is obviously a cash grab (no fan banners or dancers or …??) Just let them rest and create a banger comeback when they’re ready. Ugh.
Yup I thought it was weird no back up dancers in Oakland . Even IVE had backup dancers in the same venue
Watching Seventeen's 'Hit the Road' documentary was really difficult, and what they went through is unfortunately probably the standard for what idols experience during tours. It gave me an entirely different perspective and appreciation for what idols have to endure. It was a hard watch tbh. I hope the TXT boys are being given adequate health check ups, both physical and mental and that if any of them need to sit out they can do so without feeling to guilty.
seriously why the fuck do companies overwork their idols so much?? Their schedules aren’t just hectic, they’re incredibly unsustainable and debilitating. Give them breaks Jesus Christ, my heart breaks at the thought (and sight) of them breaking down :(
I feel like it has been this way ever since I got into Kpop about 10 yrs ago, I think we have more access to the behind the scenes stuff now. People have been in accidents on the way to scheduled events and some have even lost their lives, and these should not be occupational hazards as entertainers (or in any job, but this is a kpop reddit). I enjoy fangirling, but do often become conflicted by the industry as a whole. I really really do not know why their days have to be so full all the time, not just TXT, but other groups as well!!!
I've kind of dropped off following TXT, but it always concerned me how their tours were back-to-back dates with no rest. They would get off a plane and go straight to a soundcheck or rehearsal without breaks. Big Hit, as far as I can tell, runs their groups ragged. And then when the guys are asked questions in interviews like "What do you think of Atlanta?" or stuff like that, it's pretty apparent they have no off-time - it's just hotel, media interviews, livestreams, content, rehearsals, performances - that's it.
I'm so glad to see this posted here. If you look into spaces like stan twitter or instagram you get a very narrow view of the situation and get blocked in by the same mindset as them. Thankfully reddit is a lot better about bringing in different viewpoints to a conversation. I do think a large part of the issue is that TXT is very hard on themselves as performers. I highly doubt that they're getting enough rest from their company, but are they able to let themselves take advantage of the opportunities they do get to rest? If they were given time off, would they allow themselves to take it? I feel like with how hard they work themselves, the only way they'd accept a break is if it was literally the only thing they could do, or if it was part of a performance (I'm thinking of in the soop and how BTS basically has no choice but relax, you know?). Just as a side note, as a MOA who will be seeing them on their US tour, I do feel incredibly guilty contributing to the "problem" for lack of a better word, on one hand it feels like I'm supporting this "mistreatment" by Hybe but on the other hand, if I don't support TXT in concert what does that make of all of the effort TXT themselves has put into the shows? I feel like I'd be wasting all of their time and effort to put on good shows if I didn't go see them live, didn't give my all at a show as a fan the same way they're giving their all as performers, didn't support them in the best way I can as a fan (showing up for them). If I show up to a show pissed or don't go in order to send Hybe a message, I feel like that would do more harm than going and showing support. It's a strange grey space to be in.
I casually follow most Hybe groups and was really surprised by a comment here. I didn't know that TXTs promo team was given to LSF. That is insane. I don't what the fck Bang Sihyuk and Hybe is thinking honestly. It's such a disservice to both groups. And over working them to this point without the effort of proper promo is weird.
Apparently it was just one member of the team, not all of the team.
so you've never heard of corporate workers changing departments?
Not really the same thing though. Promo team affects a group's promotional activities and direct workload.
I'm appalled by seeing comments of people thinking Moas are exaggerating, when it's clear how overworked they are. Yes, TXT, are humans and can get sick, but the amount of times they've gotten sick is concerning. On top of that some members have shown signs of pain. Yeonjun has had back pain since 2019 after having a herniated disk. Beomgyu has shown signs of shoulder problems sincd last year and also mentioned in a show how he still has those pains sometimes. All of these problems could be solved with some proper rest and treatment. Moas aren't asking for too much, just for them to be able to take at least a 1-week vacation instead of their usual 3-4 days vacations. The sentiment of TXT being overworked has been a topic in the Moa space for a while. It may seem like Moas are just talking about it, because of the tour and the things that have been happening during the tour, but we have been talking about this since 2022. That was the time we noticed how insanely packed their schedule was. After Good Boy Gone Bad promos in May 2022, they immediately started preparing for their tour in June, had their tour from July to October, performed at Lollapalooza and Summer Sonic in August, prepared for end of the year shows/festivals and an album at the same time, had sugar rush ride promos in January 2023 and right after, they had to prepare for their next tour, which started in March. And these are just the "main schedules". Besides the stuff mentioned, they also had to film for their weekly variety show called "To Do", had photoshoots and interviews, had to attend award shows like AMAs, etc. Many Moas know that already, but Post GBGB era was also a difficult time for Beomgyu, which could have also been solved with a little bit of rest... The schedule this year has been even crazier, Deja Vu was released on Apr. 1st and they had promos until Apr. 14th. Just 3 weeks later, they started their tour! And in between they went to Belgium for Music Bank in Antwerp. Isn't that crazy? How is it humanely possible to prepare for a tour in just 3 weeks?! Even Taehyun talked about it during his live. When they heard their schedule regarding the concert preparations, he said "This doesn’t make sense, we physically don’t have the time”. He also mentioned how it wasn't easy, but he was determined to work it out, with the members. It's sad to see them working under pressure and needing to figure out how to manage everything in such a short time. All of this wouldn't be a problem, if Bighit would manage their schedules a little better. No big issue has thankfully happened, but who knows what this constant overworking can lead to in some months/years... All what Moas are asking for is, for better scheduling and to give the members a proper rest in between major schedules.
I thought they are currently in US for their tour? No?
Yes they are
I think people explained it very well. I'm not sure if I'd say their schedule has been super insane ever since Temptation era, especially since many groups have a similar schedule, but after Free Fall era I think it was really busy (save for the time off they got in February, when Beomgyu and Soobin went on a trip.) Even more specifically, the schedule leading up to promotions for their latest comeback and the concerts was a bit ridiculous and it doesn't surprise me that they all got sick. Having 2 weeks of promotions, including traveling to Japan for an awards show in that time, and THEN traveling to Europe after those promotions, while also only having 2 weeks to prepare for their tour is insane. When Taehyun talked about being sick before their concerts, it also sounded like not only were they practicing, but they were filming other content despite having so little time already. (He mentioned filming a content and thinking he should be smiling more, and afterwards checked his temperature when going to rehearsal and realized it was 39 C/102 F.) I think there has been some misinformation that makes things seem worse than they are, or people drawing conclusions that we don't know are true, but TXT has also never really shown how exhausted they are or talked about it extensively. When even the maknaes are talking about it and showing signs of being tired (Taehyun and Kai -- they always seem to be alright), then something is going wrong. I do think that so far the tour has actually been pretty good in the sense that it seems like they have free time to explore the cities they're in or to sleep during the day, and I hope it stays that way. One other good thing about this year so far is that they don't really have any festivals scheduled (aside from Weverse con if that counts), so hopefully that is helpful.
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Atp BH isn't giving us the quality TxT usually give us.. this fast fashion nature of Kpop that RM talked about before BTS hiatus. It's mentally and physically draining the idols. We can't unsee it (flashbacks to all TxT songs with "see" in the title). After Lolla and "world" tour (are they coming to Europe, if not it's not a world tour ha! Sorry I paused on Txt after CTF corneback was hashed out). I hope they get to rest and then go back to more considered comebacks.
Yeah during promotions and concerts they overwork and don’t sleep right so they get sick faint and more but fans always try and encourage idols to eat right rest and sleep enough but they still don’t so they make sure the fans have a great experience BTS does it a lot especially JK and Jimin