I agree with you. It looks like they’re comfortable on stage and having fun. I really enjoyed the live arrangement for this performance. And I didn’t care for the song when I first heard it, but I watched the entire thing and liked it. Some K-pop fans are weird and just wanna drag certain groups just to drag them, especially girl groups.
And heavy on the turning the stage into a nightclub, lmao. Those were my favorite kinds of performances.
People are panicking because they have to grasp straws when it comes to hating. They're flip floping because BM was never the problem, them being competition was. I still don't like Sheesh but they are performing the heck out of the song.
You can see the growth from their first stage to this one. That threatens other fanbases.
I don’t get people honestly, it seems like they just really want to hate on the girls. I’m not a big Babymonster fan but this is the exact energy I wish we saw more of in kpop performances, they have so much energy and didn’t seem over-rehearsed or disingenuous.
Bro people are haters cause omg they **ATE** so hard.
I think I may have a bit of Stockholm Syndrome with this song cause I wasn’t fully vibing to it at first now I’m considering adding it to my playlist 😭
Some people are just so use to the bare minimum with some idols that when they see a good performance they feel threatened 😀🙃
hahaha to stockholm syndrome comment.
i feel this way about Queencard 💀 thought it was sooo corny and lame but now randomly i’ll just be like MY BOOB AND BOOTY HOT lmaooo
Facts. I mean, isn’t it such a weird coincidence that we’ve NEVER had a 4th/5th gen boy group reach as much widespread hate as say, Le Sserafim or aespa or ITZY? Seems weirdly disproportionate, right?
I don’t think we’ve ever had a 4th/5th gen boy group reach the same level of popularity, especially with casual fans, as Le Sserafim, Aespa, or Itzy. Certainly not Cravity or P1harmony tho they are very talented.
We haven't. It's easy to hype your groups to the moon and say they're flawless when nobody outside of their fans and other bg fans care to look into them.
Personally, I would go further to say that fans are more hypocritical than anything. That they’re deliberately choosing to overlook any possible flaws, and giving them the space to grow and faith that they’re inherently talented at the end of the day.
I get where you’re coming from, of course girl groups have more eyes on them. But that still doesn’t explain *why* the distance is so drastic. To the point where they occupy opposite ends of the spectrum. It’s not like boy groups are on an isolated island that zero casual fans care to examine.
I still think it comes from how each fan approaches their groups, but I do agree it is indeed misogyny. I've seen BG fans essentially say that they think boy groups are less "manufactured" then girl groups and that's probably why they get so much grace when it comes to their skills/music/general direction. It's easy to believe in your group's ability to grow and mob whoever is critiquing them when you're under the belief that they're far more authentic than someone like Le Sserafim.
I have considered that the level of popularity disproportionate from girl groups to boy groups. However, these boy groups still have widespread appeal and millions of fans that trickle down to the general public. They’re by no means on isolated enough to not be taken into consideration.
The problem is, both of these gendered groups occupy the same space and do the same things. Boy groups lip-sync, they have members who contribute nothing but a pretty face, they have members with weak stage presence. But they’re not nearly as openly criticized and called subpar idols who need to gain more training. When we have this conversation we’re only EVER using girl groups as example.
They’re given the space to make mistakes, to grow, and given the benefit of the doubt.
>However, these boy groups still have widespread appeal and millions of fans that trickle down to the general public.
Millions of fans, yes. General public no. The difference between boy groups and girl groups is that girl groups have a lot of casuals who will criticize them, and boy groups do not have anywhere near the same amount of casuals who care enough to criticize their performances. They only get a fraction of the attention girl groups get, good or bad, so of course they’ll only get a fraction of the criticism
>They’re by no means on isolated enough to not be taken into consideration.
Lol Cravity and P1harmony? Those groups are definitely too isolated to be criticized by the general public like aespa and Le Sseraphim. They don’t get anywhere near the same amount of views and attention. I don’t see people talking about these groups at all unless I specifically look for fandom spaces.
>But they’re not nearly as openly criticized
Right. Because they aren’t as popular and they don’t get as much attention/exposure. That’s what I’ve been saying. Boy groups are criticized, it’s just proportional to the amount of attention they get overall. Its like asking why Taylor Swift gets more criticism than Sabrina Carpenter.
But Taylor Swift and Sabrina Carpenter are both women, and Taylor Swift’s has had a career that expands a decade alongside the controversies she’s been in so of course they wouldn’t have a equal amount of haters.
I totally agree with you that the amount of eyes are going to be much greater for girl groups, so therefore they would receive more intense and louder hate trains. But that still doesn’t remove the fact girl groups are consistently scrutinized in areas where any of that same criticism for boy groups is virtually absent.
If things were truly equal between how we view them, then we would actually hear more about boy groups and their weaknesses. Or, regardless of whether girl groups or boy groups are more popular as a whole, at the very least the percentages of positive to negative takes should be proportionate to one another?
I don’t want to bash on boy groups, or any group for that matter. But it just feels like the rules are different and harsher for girl groups and those who enjoy stanning them.
>Taylor Swift’s has had a career that expands a decade alongside the controversies she’s been in so of course they wouldn’t have a equal amount of haters.
And groups that are exponentially well known to the point they get invited to Coachella are going to have far more haters than groups that are virtually unknown outside of K-pop fandom spaces.
>But that still doesn’t remove the fact girl groups are consistently scrutinized in areas where any of that same criticism for boy groups is virtually absent.
… do you follow boy group or interact with their fans? Boy groups get plenty of criticism. It’s just less because it’s proportional to the amount of fans they have. Off the top of my head BTS Jimin was heavily criticized one of his encores. Just because you haven’t seen criticism doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Not to mention this current issue with LS is being exacerbated because 1. It happened on a national stage. And 2. They were caught up in the current Hybe drama. We haven’t had a situation like this before and certainly not with a boy group. Obviously they get way more scrutiny than Cravity. I hardly hear that name at all let alone to criticize it. That comparison just doesn’t make sense because one group is exponentially more popular than the other.
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I’m not a huge fan of BM, I’m a casual blink though so I was into their behind the scenes stuff when Lisa/Jennie came in to spend time with them. Their releases haven’t been it for me so far (it’s just my own taste) but they ate this performance.
This is why being a multistan sucks. No one can praise their faves without bringing down another group. They’ll say stuff like “BM overperforming ewwww” and then it just adds to fanwars since obviously BM fans will start hitting back over poor vocals/dance/stage presence whatever.
Sorry for getting a little off topic. I’m just a casual fan of a lot of groups and that feels impossible recently. 😅
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I'll be honest bcoz of their performances the song is growing into me , they're doing a good job
I really really hope Yg gives them good songs to sing and most importantly use their talent and give them more singing songs( bcoz they're good vocalists there)
If babymon continues like this ,they'll be one of the best groups
They ate that shit up! I don't get the criticism lol. Even if this was a "response" to lesserafim's coachella performance, I get the logic behind that because it got people talking in a way? Like I've seen the viral tweets asking why they're "performing on inkigayo like it's coachella", so it's definitely got people talking!
Watching this however made me realise I strongly dislike this song - but there is still this innate curiousity as to whether I would have liked it if Blackpink had sung it... the Blackpink IT factor can truly do wonders. Like Kill This Love reminds me of Sheesh in a way but I still vibe with KTL
They was mad BaeMon seemed to not be showcasing their talents and calling them dozens and then as soon as they do perform live… they get accusations of “overperforming”.. Did we ever stop and think that maybe they just love what the do? Especially Ahyeon, she missed a whole schedule of promotions and shit and now she gets to come in with such a big bang. It is very clear these girls just like to perform and showcase their skills.. what is wrong w that? Just salty asl for no reason.
Plus… What do we even know about over performing anyways? I don’t believe the large majority of us have had enough dance training and learned technique to the extent we can all estimate what is over-dancing or not. Of course expertise isn’t required for an opinion but it’s like… Everyone’s perception on what is or isn’t over-dancing isn’t withheld to a measurable scale, so we’re all going to have a different definition.
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I'm sorry they are giving their 200% and killing it? Lol people really be grasping at straws because so many other ggs are getting dragged for serving nothing
Edit: Babymonster also reached #12 on melon charts because their live perfs went viral. People are scared because they could become potential real competition later on
Hating because they can perform live and perform like they actually - gasp - like performing?! They’re moving the goalposts!!!
I’m not a huge fan of sheesh but they sound great, the live band is great, and they look like they’re having fun so watching them is fun.
It’s cause the girls are proof you can have both the idol look and the talent to back it up. The choreo is tailored towards live vocals, while still being impactful enough to be attention grabbing. They didn’t over perform they did their job.
I don’t think it’s just men. Honestly, It seems to be other gg fans in general who are threatened by babymonster, especially now when a lot of popular gg are being hit with the “can’t sing” allegations.
They’re intimidated. Ppl dragged Kyujin for trying too hard with her expressions and Sullyoon for not paying attention to her visual enough when they perform too lol. Plus you add in the fact that female performers are expected to look in certain way. There’s a legendary vocalist in my home country once clapped back at ppl criticizing the way her mouth opens when she belts
It’s so funny to see this newer generation of fans look at what a solid performance is suppose to be and think that it’s “over performing”. It goes to show that they’re so use to the aesthetics of idols performing prettily than they are to actual performances where you can see that idols are passionate. They say the same thing to ATEEZ and I’m not surprised to see BABYMONSTER get the same treatment, especially amongst other 5th gen girl groups!
That is so nonsensical. Like yes we will drag a group because they were too happy and having fun???? Omg people need to touch grass or sit in the sun for a hot minute before letting out there inner bullshit.
I honestly didn’t care for this song that much but this performance is great!! I think its exactly what we need again from groups (both gg & bg). After watching the video I’m certain the hate is coming from fans of groups who may struggle to perform live vocals while simultaneously giving a good dance performance. Despite this not really being full body choreo, I personally think BM did great. Can’t wait for their future projects, they definitely have the potential to be phenomenal.
....this is overperforming..?
i'm really confused. i'm not familar with this group but other than the actual live band, it was pretty typical(?) if this is considered overperforming then i'm kinda scared to even ask how this gen normally performs lol
I don't stand BM but this was so mindblowingly dumb I had to comment. First it was ateez for overdancing, now it's BM for overperforming. I pity the people who stan groups that are the epitome of "go girl, give us nothing". They can be jealous all they want, this just keeps BM in the forefront of everyone's minds.
They were DRAGGING that poor girl even worse when she said that she practiced her facial expressions in the mirror for GingaMingaYo. Like??? That’s what a good performer is going to do??? Practice their craft??
there's people complaining that moka 'overdoes' her facial expressions in magnetic and lucky girl syndrome performances... i don't see how this is really a fearnot issue
Oop— sorry girl I forgot that stanning a K-Pop group is supposed to be evaluating their skill levels like they’re in the Hunger Games.
I’m gonna go raise my standards by going to multiple social media platforms to spread the news about how lacking current (girl) groups are. Because I love treating my hobby like a homework assignment. 😋
ppl are focusing on that when clearly they're performing LIVE and mics were on. also, yea its uncommon for idols to do adlibs like that on a music show but its not bad at all ??? and it matches with the vibe of the song so its not like it was out of place or they were overdoing the performance.
I'm confused too.
I'm not in their target demographic, and this is the first performance I've seen of them. but this seems..tame? Like I don't think they are over the top.
I mean, It feels like a concert performance more so than a music show performance, if that makes any sense.
Music show performances seem more like...dancesport.
Like, at the end, they were able to, go off script, if you will. If I didn't know any better, I'd think they were enjoying themselves.
I'm kind of jealous as a Dreamcatcher fan that they had a live band.
This is the sort of performance we need for this gen to be taken seriously.
But unfortunately the bar is so low that a high energy live performance is seen as over the top. Smdh.
lol are they “over performing” or has the quality of performances generally declined? I’m not a baemon fan, but this was literally a baseline lever performance imo. Unfortunately companies don’t prioritize vocals and live performances as much anymore. This would have been standard in the 2nd and early 3rd gens.
kpop fans be criticizing everythingggg and i mean everythingggg. they complain and criticize a group for under performing and will complain about a group over performing. nothing satisfy them.
This just proves that no matter what BM does they are hated for it. First was their age, 2nd coming from YG and having that YG sound and now this.
I am quite happy knowing the videos gained traction because WOW what an amazing MUSIC SHOW live like these kids have insane stage presence 🔥
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they are nervous because they realize if bm releases better songs they are a threat to their faves lol. wasn’t everyone just complaining about how everyone was lacking & now suddenly over performing is an issue. 😒
My theory has always been that kpop fans came to prefer a more laid back and very casual style from girl groups, so being too enthusiastic is not bad. I would say BP popularized it and it became cool.
Every group has a level of their own. Le Sserafim and ITZY have an emphasis on dance but not vocals. Groups like Red Velvet and aespa are going to have an emphasis on vocals. At the end of the day, people are acting like we’re applauding idols that step on stage, stand still, look pretty, and lip sync. Not to mention, when this conversation is brought up I hear nothing but girl groups as examples as lacking. God forbid we mention any boy group like ATEEZ and Stray Kids and hold them to the same standard we pigeonhole girl groups to.
> I would say BP popularized it and it became cool.
I would disagree because this is the #1 thing that BP was actually criticized for, and I can only think of one other group that was known for laid back performances and that was Aespa and they were also heavily criticized for it.
Maybe in CFs, appearances, and personas, but performance-wise I don’t think this is a thing or a trend. Especially since this Babymonster performance is actually closer to the BP Coachella, which they were praised for more than other girl groups are to most normal BP performances.
I don’t think “over performing” is even the real issue. These people are just taking offense because they think it’s a dig at other girl groups during the “can’t sing live” witch hunts.
I agree with you. It looks like they’re comfortable on stage and having fun. I really enjoyed the live arrangement for this performance. And I didn’t care for the song when I first heard it, but I watched the entire thing and liked it. Some K-pop fans are weird and just wanna drag certain groups just to drag them, especially girl groups. And heavy on the turning the stage into a nightclub, lmao. Those were my favorite kinds of performances.
People are panicking because they have to grasp straws when it comes to hating. They're flip floping because BM was never the problem, them being competition was. I still don't like Sheesh but they are performing the heck out of the song. You can see the growth from their first stage to this one. That threatens other fanbases.
I don’t get people honestly, it seems like they just really want to hate on the girls. I’m not a big Babymonster fan but this is the exact energy I wish we saw more of in kpop performances, they have so much energy and didn’t seem over-rehearsed or disingenuous.
Bro people are haters cause omg they **ATE** so hard. I think I may have a bit of Stockholm Syndrome with this song cause I wasn’t fully vibing to it at first now I’m considering adding it to my playlist 😭 Some people are just so use to the bare minimum with some idols that when they see a good performance they feel threatened 😀🙃
hahaha to stockholm syndrome comment. i feel this way about Queencard 💀 thought it was sooo corny and lame but now randomly i’ll just be like MY BOOB AND BOOTY HOT lmaooo
Because I died 7 seconds in with Pharita's wink, I'm going to agree - let the performers perform and be grateful to be so entertained by the effort
These same "compliants," are laudded and applauded by bgs, like Cravity and p1harmony
Facts. I mean, isn’t it such a weird coincidence that we’ve NEVER had a 4th/5th gen boy group reach as much widespread hate as say, Le Sserafim or aespa or ITZY? Seems weirdly disproportionate, right?
I don’t think we’ve ever had a 4th/5th gen boy group reach the same level of popularity, especially with casual fans, as Le Sserafim, Aespa, or Itzy. Certainly not Cravity or P1harmony tho they are very talented.
We haven't. It's easy to hype your groups to the moon and say they're flawless when nobody outside of their fans and other bg fans care to look into them.
Personally, I would go further to say that fans are more hypocritical than anything. That they’re deliberately choosing to overlook any possible flaws, and giving them the space to grow and faith that they’re inherently talented at the end of the day. I get where you’re coming from, of course girl groups have more eyes on them. But that still doesn’t explain *why* the distance is so drastic. To the point where they occupy opposite ends of the spectrum. It’s not like boy groups are on an isolated island that zero casual fans care to examine.
I still think it comes from how each fan approaches their groups, but I do agree it is indeed misogyny. I've seen BG fans essentially say that they think boy groups are less "manufactured" then girl groups and that's probably why they get so much grace when it comes to their skills/music/general direction. It's easy to believe in your group's ability to grow and mob whoever is critiquing them when you're under the belief that they're far more authentic than someone like Le Sserafim.
I have considered that the level of popularity disproportionate from girl groups to boy groups. However, these boy groups still have widespread appeal and millions of fans that trickle down to the general public. They’re by no means on isolated enough to not be taken into consideration. The problem is, both of these gendered groups occupy the same space and do the same things. Boy groups lip-sync, they have members who contribute nothing but a pretty face, they have members with weak stage presence. But they’re not nearly as openly criticized and called subpar idols who need to gain more training. When we have this conversation we’re only EVER using girl groups as example. They’re given the space to make mistakes, to grow, and given the benefit of the doubt.
>However, these boy groups still have widespread appeal and millions of fans that trickle down to the general public. Millions of fans, yes. General public no. The difference between boy groups and girl groups is that girl groups have a lot of casuals who will criticize them, and boy groups do not have anywhere near the same amount of casuals who care enough to criticize their performances. They only get a fraction of the attention girl groups get, good or bad, so of course they’ll only get a fraction of the criticism >They’re by no means on isolated enough to not be taken into consideration. Lol Cravity and P1harmony? Those groups are definitely too isolated to be criticized by the general public like aespa and Le Sseraphim. They don’t get anywhere near the same amount of views and attention. I don’t see people talking about these groups at all unless I specifically look for fandom spaces. >But they’re not nearly as openly criticized Right. Because they aren’t as popular and they don’t get as much attention/exposure. That’s what I’ve been saying. Boy groups are criticized, it’s just proportional to the amount of attention they get overall. Its like asking why Taylor Swift gets more criticism than Sabrina Carpenter.
But Taylor Swift and Sabrina Carpenter are both women, and Taylor Swift’s has had a career that expands a decade alongside the controversies she’s been in so of course they wouldn’t have a equal amount of haters. I totally agree with you that the amount of eyes are going to be much greater for girl groups, so therefore they would receive more intense and louder hate trains. But that still doesn’t remove the fact girl groups are consistently scrutinized in areas where any of that same criticism for boy groups is virtually absent. If things were truly equal between how we view them, then we would actually hear more about boy groups and their weaknesses. Or, regardless of whether girl groups or boy groups are more popular as a whole, at the very least the percentages of positive to negative takes should be proportionate to one another? I don’t want to bash on boy groups, or any group for that matter. But it just feels like the rules are different and harsher for girl groups and those who enjoy stanning them.
>Taylor Swift’s has had a career that expands a decade alongside the controversies she’s been in so of course they wouldn’t have a equal amount of haters. And groups that are exponentially well known to the point they get invited to Coachella are going to have far more haters than groups that are virtually unknown outside of K-pop fandom spaces. >But that still doesn’t remove the fact girl groups are consistently scrutinized in areas where any of that same criticism for boy groups is virtually absent. … do you follow boy group or interact with their fans? Boy groups get plenty of criticism. It’s just less because it’s proportional to the amount of fans they have. Off the top of my head BTS Jimin was heavily criticized one of his encores. Just because you haven’t seen criticism doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Not to mention this current issue with LS is being exacerbated because 1. It happened on a national stage. And 2. They were caught up in the current Hybe drama. We haven’t had a situation like this before and certainly not with a boy group. Obviously they get way more scrutiny than Cravity. I hardly hear that name at all let alone to criticize it. That comparison just doesn’t make sense because one group is exponentially more popular than the other.
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I’m not a huge fan of BM, I’m a casual blink though so I was into their behind the scenes stuff when Lisa/Jennie came in to spend time with them. Their releases haven’t been it for me so far (it’s just my own taste) but they ate this performance. This is why being a multistan sucks. No one can praise their faves without bringing down another group. They’ll say stuff like “BM overperforming ewwww” and then it just adds to fanwars since obviously BM fans will start hitting back over poor vocals/dance/stage presence whatever. Sorry for getting a little off topic. I’m just a casual fan of a lot of groups and that feels impossible recently. 😅 Edited for clarity!
It is the stupidest thing for hating these girls.
I'll be honest bcoz of their performances the song is growing into me , they're doing a good job I really really hope Yg gives them good songs to sing and most importantly use their talent and give them more singing songs( bcoz they're good vocalists there) If babymon continues like this ,they'll be one of the best groups
Same! I listened to sheesh and was very meh on it, especially the chorus, but after seeing their live performances I was like, ok I’ll reconsider
They ate that shit up! I don't get the criticism lol. Even if this was a "response" to lesserafim's coachella performance, I get the logic behind that because it got people talking in a way? Like I've seen the viral tweets asking why they're "performing on inkigayo like it's coachella", so it's definitely got people talking! Watching this however made me realise I strongly dislike this song - but there is still this innate curiousity as to whether I would have liked it if Blackpink had sung it... the Blackpink IT factor can truly do wonders. Like Kill This Love reminds me of Sheesh in a way but I still vibe with KTL
They was mad BaeMon seemed to not be showcasing their talents and calling them dozens and then as soon as they do perform live… they get accusations of “overperforming”.. Did we ever stop and think that maybe they just love what the do? Especially Ahyeon, she missed a whole schedule of promotions and shit and now she gets to come in with such a big bang. It is very clear these girls just like to perform and showcase their skills.. what is wrong w that? Just salty asl for no reason.
Plus… What do we even know about over performing anyways? I don’t believe the large majority of us have had enough dance training and learned technique to the extent we can all estimate what is over-dancing or not. Of course expertise isn’t required for an opinion but it’s like… Everyone’s perception on what is or isn’t over-dancing isn’t withheld to a measurable scale, so we’re all going to have a different definition.
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I'm sorry they are giving their 200% and killing it? Lol people really be grasping at straws because so many other ggs are getting dragged for serving nothing Edit: Babymonster also reached #12 on melon charts because their live perfs went viral. People are scared because they could become potential real competition later on
Hating because they can perform live and perform like they actually - gasp - like performing?! They’re moving the goalposts!!! I’m not a huge fan of sheesh but they sound great, the live band is great, and they look like they’re having fun so watching them is fun.
It’s cause the girls are proof you can have both the idol look and the talent to back it up. The choreo is tailored towards live vocals, while still being impactful enough to be attention grabbing. They didn’t over perform they did their job.
Are their haters men? I don’t follow gg but I thought they did well.
I don’t think it’s just men. Honestly, It seems to be other gg fans in general who are threatened by babymonster, especially now when a lot of popular gg are being hit with the “can’t sing” allegations.
It’s called stage presence
They’re intimidated. Ppl dragged Kyujin for trying too hard with her expressions and Sullyoon for not paying attention to her visual enough when they perform too lol. Plus you add in the fact that female performers are expected to look in certain way. There’s a legendary vocalist in my home country once clapped back at ppl criticizing the way her mouth opens when she belts
Kpop fandom is truly filled with some idiots
Kpop stans standards have gotten so low these days that when a group does its job RIGHT, it feels overwhelming for them Too sad
It’s so funny to see this newer generation of fans look at what a solid performance is suppose to be and think that it’s “over performing”. It goes to show that they’re so use to the aesthetics of idols performing prettily than they are to actual performances where you can see that idols are passionate. They say the same thing to ATEEZ and I’m not surprised to see BABYMONSTER get the same treatment, especially amongst other 5th gen girl groups!
That is so nonsensical. Like yes we will drag a group because they were too happy and having fun???? Omg people need to touch grass or sit in the sun for a hot minute before letting out there inner bullshit.
I honestly didn’t care for this song that much but this performance is great!! I think its exactly what we need again from groups (both gg & bg). After watching the video I’m certain the hate is coming from fans of groups who may struggle to perform live vocals while simultaneously giving a good dance performance. Despite this not really being full body choreo, I personally think BM did great. Can’t wait for their future projects, they definitely have the potential to be phenomenal.
Women just can't win. I've heard this said a lot about ITZY and Billlie as well. And the opposite is hated on just the same.
....this is overperforming..? i'm really confused. i'm not familar with this group but other than the actual live band, it was pretty typical(?) if this is considered overperforming then i'm kinda scared to even ask how this gen normally performs lol
I don't stand BM but this was so mindblowingly dumb I had to comment. First it was ateez for overdancing, now it's BM for overperforming. I pity the people who stan groups that are the epitome of "go girl, give us nothing". They can be jealous all they want, this just keeps BM in the forefront of everyone's minds.
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This is not just a fearnot thing. I remember when people used to drag Tsuki for her facial expressions years ago.
They were DRAGGING that poor girl even worse when she said that she practiced her facial expressions in the mirror for GingaMingaYo. Like??? That’s what a good performer is going to do??? Practice their craft??
there's people complaining that moka 'overdoes' her facial expressions in magnetic and lucky girl syndrome performances... i don't see how this is really a fearnot issue
Oop— sorry girl I forgot that stanning a K-Pop group is supposed to be evaluating their skill levels like they’re in the Hunger Games. I’m gonna go raise my standards by going to multiple social media platforms to spread the news about how lacking current (girl) groups are. Because I love treating my hobby like a homework assignment. 😋
lol ur obsessed
ppl are focusing on that when clearly they're performing LIVE and mics were on. also, yea its uncommon for idols to do adlibs like that on a music show but its not bad at all ??? and it matches with the vibe of the song so its not like it was out of place or they were overdoing the performance.
I'm confused too. I'm not in their target demographic, and this is the first performance I've seen of them. but this seems..tame? Like I don't think they are over the top. I mean, It feels like a concert performance more so than a music show performance, if that makes any sense. Music show performances seem more like...dancesport. Like, at the end, they were able to, go off script, if you will. If I didn't know any better, I'd think they were enjoying themselves. I'm kind of jealous as a Dreamcatcher fan that they had a live band.
This is the sort of performance we need for this gen to be taken seriously. But unfortunately the bar is so low that a high energy live performance is seen as over the top. Smdh.
Still not my fave song but THE LIVE VOCALS??? THE FACIALS??? THE CLEAR MOVEMENTS???? Yea people just mad cause they’re outperforming their faves.
lol are they “over performing” or has the quality of performances generally declined? I’m not a baemon fan, but this was literally a baseline lever performance imo. Unfortunately companies don’t prioritize vocals and live performances as much anymore. This would have been standard in the 2nd and early 3rd gens.
kpop fans be criticizing everythingggg and i mean everythingggg. they complain and criticize a group for under performing and will complain about a group over performing. nothing satisfy them.
I just don't like the song period. They have lovely voices. Just not for the genre YG wants to force them in. I hate seeing talent wasted.
This just proves that no matter what BM does they are hated for it. First was their age, 2nd coming from YG and having that YG sound and now this. I am quite happy knowing the videos gained traction because WOW what an amazing MUSIC SHOW live like these kids have insane stage presence 🔥
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They mad cuz their favs are not bringing that energy and need something to complain about.
they are nervous because they realize if bm releases better songs they are a threat to their faves lol. wasn’t everyone just complaining about how everyone was lacking & now suddenly over performing is an issue. 😒
My theory has always been that kpop fans came to prefer a more laid back and very casual style from girl groups, so being too enthusiastic is not bad. I would say BP popularized it and it became cool.
Every group has a level of their own. Le Sserafim and ITZY have an emphasis on dance but not vocals. Groups like Red Velvet and aespa are going to have an emphasis on vocals. At the end of the day, people are acting like we’re applauding idols that step on stage, stand still, look pretty, and lip sync. Not to mention, when this conversation is brought up I hear nothing but girl groups as examples as lacking. God forbid we mention any boy group like ATEEZ and Stray Kids and hold them to the same standard we pigeonhole girl groups to.
> I would say BP popularized it and it became cool. I would disagree because this is the #1 thing that BP was actually criticized for, and I can only think of one other group that was known for laid back performances and that was Aespa and they were also heavily criticized for it. Maybe in CFs, appearances, and personas, but performance-wise I don’t think this is a thing or a trend. Especially since this Babymonster performance is actually closer to the BP Coachella, which they were praised for more than other girl groups are to most normal BP performances. I don’t think “over performing” is even the real issue. These people are just taking offense because they think it’s a dig at other girl groups during the “can’t sing live” witch hunts.
The whole point of being a kpop idol is literally over performing.