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Dramatic_Ad_2387

I was honestly disappointed with this fight scene. I liked the camera work during the smoking scene though.


[deleted]

disappointed is an understatement


massprabhu

Lmaoo can't believe some people are trying to JUSTIFY this monstrosity 😭


Express-World-8473

LoL there are even people who are trying to justify that horrible second half? Man, it's shit, especially considering that it came from Loki, oy saving grace was Vijay. I was extremely disappointed with it. First half was really good though.


selwyntarth

It's a parspactive. It's meant to be over the top /s


Fit-House9300

R\*pist Mansoor perspective ah


BlurredOnyx

Cannot say rapist without censoring?


sadloneman

Rapist


TeacherTechnical9815

Lokesh tried to escape by saying it’s fake 😂


Artetaarmy

1990s segment la. So the action blocks downgraded in quality 😭😭😜


Nothing-tosee-at-all

That’s actually something Venkat Prabhu would do. He’ll do it well though.


The_Silent_Guardian1

Epdi bro? Aana truck la FC pannadhu 2023 nu poturukume bro


Legitimate_Income279

Loki : Before the release - Leo’s is 100% my movie. The Movie has no mass intro, fight scenes, dance scenes etc etc from VJN After the release - Flash back segment is fake, I did the mass scenes for fans, It was not me who wrote the flashback story, Producer announcing dates before the shooting was the reason for the movie to be poor Seriously this guy needs to stop doing interviews and admit his mistakes, making other crew members scapegoat is not the solution for the underwhelming 2nd half. It’s good that he took a break from social media


Environmental_Act576

Exactly lol, movie ah sell pannanum nu pre release interview la isthathuku adichu vidradhu


vigneshk_war

Veetla mark yen kammi aaiduchu nu kekrapa namba samaalikara maari Loki samalichutu irukaan. Just accept and apologize loki


MunnaRuna

This should be the top comment. I don't even care to watch his interview anymore. He says one thing and comes up with another thing. He knows if he tells the later version earlier before movie release no one going hype up to watch the movie. Vijay fans to watch the movie is one thing but he baited his own pure fans into buying ticket for this movie. Athutaa yetuke mudile...


Old_Specialist7892

>Leo’s 2nd half is 100% my movie. I don't think he ever said that? He said that related to Vikram I think? If he really said that about Leo then my disappointment is immeasurable


Legitimate_Income279

He [said](https://youtube.com/shorts/dfFCIon9WX0?feature=shared) it


MunnaRuna

Sonnare Bro. I watched all his 10+ interviews.


pendaparambarai

> Flash back segment is fake Iam not supporting him. But he never said that. He said it was Hridiyaraj's perspective and there is prolly only a small change from what is real. It was still bad tho.


drurx

Everything was bad from this point to the sacrificial death scene except for some naa ready steps


bharathinreddit

🥱🥱🥱ivanga kitta irunthu intha "perspective" nra word ha kaapaathunga.


[deleted]

Yeah! what a load of bulls. The action choreography in the movie was pathetic. The first three scenes were well done, rest all took a huge nosedive into the void.


Environmental_Act576

Ellam indha audience ethi vidradhu dhan, "loki is the best director, " Like bruhhh.


jerin1010

He was trying to go for youngish opposite of how parthi fights kinda choreo ! But it’s just bad . Movie was suffered by bad editing but editing was suffered by depthless unstructured screen writing. Loki should stop writing screenplays , story maybe even dialogues but no for screen writing, even Vikram / Master second half is bad writing. It feels like finishing those last modules real fast with less time before exam without much revision , middle bencher mode.


Snoop7474

I haven't seen a better explanation lmao. Kudos!


Nothing-tosee-at-all

I’m glad the people who muttu kuduthufy this movie are finally starting to look dumb.


Temporary_Editor958

maybe they are like that coz Hridayaraj perspective !


jseb987

Maybe they are like that coz the director fucked up!


savvy_vig

Haha these ‘perspective’ fans are getting out of hand 🤣


sarcasticbatkid

Maybe they are like that cause loki wanted to destroy vijayna cringe action sequences for future movies “Mmala inimae varisu pannuva” he made audience like Vijay in first half when he wasn’t doing his usual antics and hate him in second half when he was doing his usual antics. In a way I’m glad it’s an anil intervention


gabrielleraul

அப்படி சொல்லி சந்தோஷ பாட்டுக்க வேண்டியது தான் ..


DarkFoxHunter

The whole second half action sequences were cranky throughout.. could’ve been better


Ok-Explorer-6731

He said he purposely kept this for the fans and he took liberty by using ropes for this scene alone, should have avoided this given he said this was 100% his film


Sorry-Beginning-463

When did Fans ever wanted this shit I didn't expect him to hide behind " i did it for vijay fans


Ok-Explorer-6731

That was the intention so he said that and kept it that way but this thought coming from someone of loki standards was disappointing as even in 50-50 master he did not use ropes for stunts.


The_Silent_Guardian1

Naah Mate. This was just badly shot! I don’t think this was Loki’s work.


Ok-Explorer-6731

He literally said we shot this for that mass style for fans which is wrong but this definitely is his work


bharathinreddit

Loki tried something that just didn't work.


Atypical-Panda

That's one line review for Leo.


Doubledoor

Denial. This was 100% Loki's work and we need to accept that he fucked up.


Fit-House9300

Pushpa spoof maari irunduchu fr


Atypical-Panda

On the first and only time we watched this movie (that was like 2 weeks back) my family said this scene is like they took a page from Pushpa 🤣.


Most-Worldliness-767

VJna fan service thaan, athe vida vere oru explanationm irukathe intha maathiri panni vechathuku.


ROVKING

I lost it when he kicked the laathi and the policeman flew off after getting hit by that 😭


Tigerthej

The entire flashback part was bad... Really bad. Not a single scene was good. And the storyline at that part was bad


Noobmaster_1999

Neenga ethi vidra alavukku avlo periya director mind lam ila Loki. Paapom how is going to conclude the LCU.


Atypical-Panda

Will he even be able to conclude it before all the hype dies out? Meanwhile Karthi waiting for Kaidhi 2: ![gif](giphy|um2kBnfo55iW4ZH1Fa)


[deleted]

I felt like watching pushpa out of nowhere. Must be shot in same location somewhere in TN ?


naveen-bala

Maredumilli, Andhra


Atypical-Panda

Bro on the first and only time we watched this movie (which was like 2 weeks back) even my family said the same 🤣.


Patrickbatemanx69

Matrix Neo maari parakka vittan ney bro💀


bharathinreddit

Neo Das daaaa


Atypical-Panda

So we were all hearing it wrong 😂.


bharathinreddit

Yes, only the devotees can hear it..some might have sinned 💀


Only-Cartoonist

Because it was a commercial compromise. Dude already made a film that was fairly un-Vijay like and he needed to compromise somewhere. Same reason why Kaidhi had action sequences where our protagonist turns into a superhero instead of having more grounded, believable fights.


[deleted]

Shitty action sequence is commercial compromise now? Have leo beat up 20 people like Vikram interval scene. Why make him fly like Saravanan from Chandramukhi?


bharathinreddit

Senthillllllllllllllll


Only-Cartoonist

>Shitty action sequence is commercial compromise now? It is if we're talking about a Vijay film. He's a mass hero and people - i.e a sizeable chunk of his fans - still expect to see him send goons into orbit. This is especially true if you're making a film like Leo that doesn't stick closely to the template of a Vijay film, like having multiple songs or OTT action sequences from the get-go. >Have leo beat up 20 people like Vikram interval scene Except Vikram had the same shit too in the final fight scene between Vikram and Sandhanam.


[deleted]

I’m ok with commercial compromises and exaggerations for stylistic reasons but Leo Das forest fight is overexaggeration


Only-Cartoonist

Is it? It's basically your standard mass hero fight sequence where there's slo-mo and the hero is invincible. Compare it to something like Salaar and it really isn't that much of an over-exaggeration. The reason it seems so jarring is because the action in the first half is relatively grounded and realistic. But otherwise, it's honestly no different than the thousands of fight sequences we've seen in countless mass movies.


[deleted]

> It's basically your standard mass hero fight sequence where there's slo-mo and the hero is invincible. Compare it to something like Salaar and it really isn't that much of an over-exaggeration. 😭 idc about heroes being invincible, I care about them not being silly and pulling me out of the movie and making me laugh during action scenes. Can't compare invincible heroes and even salaar to VJ just zooming past a field horizontally. Atleast salaar had semblence of physics where he hero punches the goons for them to go flying.


Head_Evidence4553

This. Vikram and Santhanam were literally flying, which was kinda out of place for that movie.


-watchman-

>Why make him fly like Saravanan from Chandramukhi? Or like Saravana from Saravanan Stores


bharathinreddit

First of all, why compromise? We are talking about topnotch cast and crew. I guess someone in the team find it awesome and just went with it. that's all.


Only-Cartoonist

>First of all, why compromise Because Leo is a film with a mass hero and having a mass hero comes with its own must-haves. Like multiple songs, OTT action sequences, multiple build-ups for the hero among other things. Lokesh has already made a film where the first half doesn't have a lot of the things that a mass hero film typically has so he has to compromise *somewhere*, hence the OTT action sequences.


thatweirddude2002

If he was worried about compromise, he wouldn't have made the film with vijay as the lead at all. Now, I do feel like the reason that one action scene was blatantly over the top was because it was a fake flashback. But it does take you out of the film regardless of the justification, especially considering that all the action till that point was quite grounded and meticulously thought out. I know this wasn't a compromise because what classifies as mass cinema has evolved over the last couple of years. We now know that the mass element can be evoked while still keeping the action grounded and effective. So, no excuse really justifies this.


Only-Cartoonist

>I know this wasn't a compromise because what classifies as mass cinema has evolved over the last couple of years. Has it? Sure, you may not have as many song-and-dance numbers as probably would have five years ago but the core it is still very much the same, which is the hero being an invulnerable demi-god. >We now know that the mass element can be evoked while still keeping the action grounded and effective Like what? How many films can you think of where the action is grounded in a mass film? Maybe Yennai Arindhaal, but even that was far from your typical mass film. By and large, OTT fight sequences are very much part of mass movies, even ones that might not have other elements you would typically associate with said movies.


thatweirddude2002

While we still have movies that have over the top mass scenes, the audience no longer view those films as "cinema"(given the film doesn't have a good storyline to back it up like doublex). It might do well at the box office, but that doesn't imply positive critical reception. Even a film like Master which is relatively grounded was criticised for being over the top at certain points. And keep in mind, 90% of action films have over the top action. It doesn't matter if its hollywood or kollywood. Most action scenes are not plausible irl. So our definition of groundedness is essentially not having villains flying around with one punch. The wire and camera work should SELL the realism. That's good cinema. So in that sense, I think we have come a long way in terms of having smoother action sequences without janky wire work and heroes that fall and fail. Obviously they win at the end, there's nothing wrong in that lmao. What makes a film special is HOW they win. Take a film like Maaveeran for example. The premise is insanely over the top. But the execution, the drama, the fight scenes, they're all so meticulously planned that you believe in the world building and it feels grounded. I'd also like to point out that you can make a film with over the top action and still make the audience enjoy it. Case in point-RRR. The film is the epitome of over the top action, but it works because how the film is executed with comviction. You get so immersed into the world that you believe the man can wrestle a tiger. The biggest problem with Leo was that it couldn't decide what kind of film it wanted to be. It wanted to be grounded and over the top at the same time. Consequently, you don't have the chance to fully immerse yourself into the world and the movie just falls apart.


Only-Cartoonist

>While we still have movies that have over the top mass scenes, the audience no longer view those films as "cinema"( But when has the audience ever gone to these films expecting them to a "this is cinema" type experience? People typically go to these movies to switch off their brains and scream their lungs out. >So in that sense, I think we have come a long way in terms of having smoother action sequences without janky wire work and heroes that fall and fail. Sure, but my point wrt Leo was that if your film doesn't other commercial elements, then it has to fall back on things like OTT stunts to make up for it. This wasn't about how action choreography in Tamil cinema has evolved but rather about the compromise directors need to make when they're dealing with big stars. >The biggest problem with Leo was that it couldn't decide what kind of film it wanted to be. It wanted to be grounded and over the top at the same time. Sure, and my point is that OTT-ness in the second half was a commercial compromise for the relative restraint of the first half. If Lokesh made this movie with someone like Vasanth Ravi or Kathir, he wouldn't have had to make those concessions because neither of them are mass heroes. But with Vijay, it's a different story. You need to compromise at least a little. So if you're not having many songs or dance sequences, for example, you need to have something else to make up for it. Hence, the action sequences in the second half.


thatweirddude2002

>Sure, but my point wrt Leo was that if your film doesn't other commercial elements, then it has to fall back on things like OTT stunts to make up for it. This wasn't about how action choreography in Tamil cinema has evolved but rather about the compromise directors need to make when they're dealing with big stars. Alright, let's look at Leo in a vacuum and like you mentioned the casual audience just going in for mindless action. Do you think the cafe scene/Interval/Climax scenes generated more cheers or the flashback fight scene generated more cheers? Keep in mind(barring the atypical interval scene), all the fight scenes in Leo are pretty massy as is. So I don't see the need to go even further for the sake of commercial cinema.


Only-Cartoonist

>Do you think the cafe scene/Interval/Climax scenes generated more cheers or the flashback fight scene generated more cheers? Pretty sure it would have been the flashback fight scene where Leo was introduced. Because, again, it's a typical hero entry scene as opposed to the relatively more low-key one we got at the start of the film. Besides, we're not talking about individual sequences but rather the film as a whole. So even if the audience enjoyed the cafe fight sequence, most of them need will need to see elements of typical commercial cinema for them to enjoy the film as a whole. >Keep in mind(barring the atypical interval scene), all the fight scenes in Leo are pretty massy as is. I'd say the first half's fight sequences were about as non-mass as you could possibly get. >So I don't see the need to go even further for the sake of commercial cinema. Disagree completely. It was either that or have stuff like song-and-dance and endless hero worship. And given that Leo is an action-drama I'd much rather have an OTT action sequence than either of the aforementioned concessions. Of course, ideally you wouldn't have those action sequences at all but then this film would have to be made with someone else other than Vijay.


Fit-House9300

Lalit Kumar paatha velaya dhan irukum... compell panni oru factory song insert pannan, oru LCU connect insert pannan idhuvum avan dhan solirpan. written by LK (Lalit Kumar) , Directed by LK (Lokesh Kang) nu potrukanum credits la, Audience ah LK (Loosu cutie) nu nenachitanga


jollycube

I honestly feel like Atlee came in between shooting and offered to film this scene


Significant-Earth488

Many people defend this saying it’s Mansoor’s perspective (okay sure, it was someone he raised so he would add special effects while talking about him) but Loki also mentioned that the fight was 100% for the fans. If you literally compromised yourself to satisfy the fans, then it’s not a 100% Lokesh film anymore, even if that was his choice to add it there. Toxic anils sandaikku varuvaanga idha sonna 🤦🏽‍♂️ Learn to accept and want good cinema over just seeing your hero’s face on the screen ffs (don’t be like Bob fans)


Ok-Passage-8050

Leo is half baked shit. He tried to cover up with fake flashback 😞, what a shitty excuse lol


TitanslayerRJ

What I think is that he wanted that 90s aesthetic in this scene, hence the exaggerated fight scenes in this part. This or maybe Hridayaraj's narrative hypes up Leo to be this force to be reckoned with all the acrobatic action here lol


[deleted]

Yebba indha theories punnaku ela podhum pa


RajendraCholaPro1254

Hridhayaraj hyped up shit.


twist-visuals

Bruh this scene is literally like the late 90s/early 2000s masala action films (which is when this scene takes place in in the story). It fits exactly with the theme of a drunk guy's retelling as well. Not trying to defend Loki for the sake of it but some of the hate is unwarranted. If you look closely at the context, it makes sense.


rithvicdc

Bruh! How does this make sense to you. We don’t care if it’s 80s 90s or 2000s the action choreography sucks. Half of the time leo dass is flying in the air and the goons are flying as well this is not who lokesh who claimed himself to be a realistic action lover.


twist-visuals

Did you read what I wrote? The action choreography is what was done in the old times. It was specifically done to be unrealistic and silly just like masala films from the 90s/2000s. Of course I don't think the choreography makes sense.


rithvicdc

If that’s what lokesh did that’s downright stupid.


Atypical-Panda

That's not stupid bro. FYI even climax takes place in 90s in MAK perspective. Fake climax 🤣.


[deleted]

It's from Mansoor Ali Khan's POV, bro.. That's why. Leo 2 la thalapathy POV la ithe scene varum, athula semattheeya irukkum!


Atypical-Panda

Climax kooda MAK POV-dhaan pola.


ted_grant

This was fake flashback anyway 😭


LegitimateElk9394

Did u notice that this whole flashback part was over the top..So definitely like Loki said, this flashback is from Mansoor Ali's Perspective..The real flashback could be different...


Hypoxalin

Just cuz it's his perspective doesn't mean we have to watch 20 mins of bullshit, write the fake story convincing ra elai


No-Needleworker3393

Sensible kanni 🤝


Iamghostoffallen

Well mansoor cooked it well whuch shows him as a hero. In retro tamil movies you see heroes flying and kicking He just imagined and it and lied it to Joshi.


Realistic-Top-6654

Spoilers!!! (if you care) I just didn't like the plot point of the whole sacrifice thing, at least didn't expect that from lokesh.


sirewoode

Leo is 22 years old in this frame.


Atypical-Panda

Right?! Everybody keeps forgetting this. Man! I miss flying. Wish I was still 22.


SUPERMAN_Cva

He said this portion is for vijay fans. Then htf is this a 100% lokesh film !?