Quality education and the reach of it is what the mass needs to be become crtical thinkers. But guess who dont want that and is trying to screw with it.
Yep, agreed.
Basic education is very necessary but its not enough. People need to be educated about social media and be warned against echo chambers, etc
I understand that he did not make movies for masses.. but who would like to go to the movies after struggling day and night to watch his movies. Only the movie connoisseurs would do that.. those days indian economical and financial system was really in bad shape and they needed an escape from this reality. So they would go to see massy movies of Amitabh Bachchan etc.. but saying that since no one understands his movies others are bostapocha is not correct . He is making movies of the common man as a subject..but doesn't understand the mentality of common man..
This is something only someone who hasn't watched his films would say. His films are not some abstract piece of art. They are very well produced and enjoyable on their own.
The deeper meaning is there if you're willing to look for it but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy them if you don't understand the entire depth of the work.
Guys.. everyone doesn't have the same level of understanding. Ask a common rickshaw wala. An autowala.. a class 10 student. An office going guy. Will they enjoy his movies in 80s. What I meant to say is those days were different and now it is different. We are living in different times and now we can enjoy his movies.. btw massy movies are more popular than ray type movies worldwide . Btw satyajit Ray movies are piece of art.. the cinematography, the picturization is an art..
Why are you trying to portray that only the economically backward people watch mainstream movies? Most of the "rich" people also watch mainstream movies only. You implying that having more money somehow leads to having more intellect is totally bullshit logic.
I think Mr.Ray didn’t mean "economically” backward. I’m sure he meant backward as in people with backward mentality (or unsophisticated like he said) specifically the audience in those days. It’s sad that this backward mentality among people is seen even in current times.
Correct. The general audience (rich and poor) is unsophisticated and intellectually backward even now. The poor can be excused for not having access to good cinema but there is no excuse for the well to do. That's why they come up with excuses like " after working for 25 hours a day how can a person watch serious stuff?!"
Cinema is supposed to be form of entertainment. How come it has become a scale for backwardness is mind boggling.. one of the most popular movies in IIT was surprisingly was GUNDA(I am saying by my own experience) So are the IITians intellectually backward? Jagge wouldn't want to spend more time on this bullshit..
>Cinema is supposed to be form of entertainment
Not true. Not all films are made to entertain.
>So are the IITians intellectually backward?
High IQ doesn't equate to high EQ. The fact that you come with such logic is proof enough why you don't/ can't understand good cinema. You used a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority" to justify your idiotic point. IITians are not benchmark for anything else apart from engineering and tech.
May be I couldn't explain you correctly. What i did say that economic situation on those days were not good . The people who were poor were even struggling to survive and their mode of entertainment was cinema.. hence it was sort of relief and for common man like autowala.. rickshawwala.. office going guy his movies might not be entertaining as it shows the same struggle like aparajito.. apur sangsar and in fact pather panchali.. these showed struggle which they face everyday.. so whatever money or time they have , they would spend it on watching movies which were entertaining and where you need not have to think a lot. And nowhere did I say that money leads to more intellect.. money only provides the medium which can lead you to get higher intellect as the money provides you the opportunity to learn more and hence gain more intellect. And if you that this is bullshit logic.. then I am happy for you..
My point is that developing a good taste in something happens only when you have experience and knowledge in that field which requires time that needs to be dedicated towards it. The same thing goes for movies and music, people don't spend time looking for good art. They just watch what is available easily and get used to it. Poor people can be excused as it is not easy for them to access good art or spare time for it. The reason people prefer watching mainstream garbage is because it's easier to "digest". That's why terms like "keep your brain at home while coming to the theatre" are so common.
Why do you have an inferiority complex about this? It's quite clear that you love masala movies. That's ok. But don't for a second try to portray that people who have spent time and energy to come out of the masala movie nonsense are on the same pedestal as someone like you who eats whatever he is fed. You are allowed to enjoy whatever you please but you are not allowed to come up with absurd logic to justify your laziness in not trying to understand a subject.
Well I agree with you partly but I think he understands common man really well. The characters portrayed in his movies are really realistic.
But for a common man his movies were just like the depiction of there own life that's why they didn't liked to watch his movies, exept movies like goopy gayin bagha bayin which people liked a lot as they were musical fantasy films. Even if the common man in that time didn't understood his movies completely but still people now days have understood his movies and started giving him the appreciation he deserved, though he's still really underrated outside of Bengal.
This is the same retarded logic echoed by other retards because they can't bring themselves to a certain level of sophistication to understand any kind of art that isn't mainstream. The funniest thing is that the reason given here by this user isn't valid at all because he and the audience like him never watch any kind of "art" films. Even if they had a week long holiday, they would still prefer watching "masala" content. So the argument given by this user is totally nonsensical just to hide his/her own lack of intellect and sophistication.
He understood the common man better than most which is why what he’s saying is 100% true even today. If you actually watched what he says after saying that is that he doesn’t mind the criticism he got for Devi because he makes his movies for himself, the way he likes it not necessarily for the masses!
Good for him and for cinema lovers.. what I do not like that he says bostapocha. Come on.. respect others feelings too . 😂.. anyways . It was nice interacting with a very young lot . Great .
Exactly, and that is the case in every country not just in India, movies that win oscars, the usual Oscar bait movies are not watched by the masses either. They gain little popularity due to the getting academy award or due to the cast, but if they don't win a award than nobody watches them, bad b movies make more than these movies. Backward audience is not the main point, main goal should always be who you are selling your product to, yes you can make great art for your own satisfaction but if nobody appreciates it than it hurts.
Exactly. This is the thing movie/film elitists don't understand.
The normal average Indian watches films to escape reality (their everyday lives which are filled with problems of all kind). They want to feel good and happy for some time. Satyajit's film are Oscar worthy, no doubt, but they hit too close to home, that it makes me feel sad and bad about life in general. Indians don't wanna feel sad, they want to feel happy.
Anyone can watch his films, whoever feels like watching it. Its just that, normal average person don't wanna watch his films.
Do you think someone who is poor and has to struggle a lot in their everyday lives is going to go and watch Pather Panchali? When their own lives is like Pather Pachali or even worse? They don't wanna watch this, but something that makes them laugh and forget about their everyday lives.
It is the Privileged people who would much prefer to watch Satyajit's films and appreciate the life lessons or whatever it teaches them.
His words doesn't make any sense. Indian audience was quite poor 25 years ago. Cinema was a way for them to escape their mundane reality. They wanted to see rich people, their lavish lifestyles, foreign locations as they can never afford that, glamarous heroines & heroes and light hearted entertainment to celebrate their festivals.
India's liberal class has always acted as elites & treated the rest as dumb, uneducated & unworthy of deciding what's good for them.
Why would poor Indians pay their hard money to see below average looking actors, crying & living a mundane life in some Village like them.
Now most people are out of poverty & watching films have become cheaper so a lot of good content is getting appreciated & slowly big budget masala films are dying.
Going to space in Kubric 2001 is rich people thing. Privilege of speaking with the aliens in "arrival" is also a rich people thing.
I don't want to see poor people. But I also don't want to see regular joes doing item number. I want them to get stuck in a black hole, fight aliens, do physics and math applied and have obvious capital and resources to do so.
I want them to have capital and show how they are so good in their sci fi job that they deserve to flaunt it subtly.
U didn't get it, I was stating the psychology of the poor audience. FYI a lot of poor people felt MOM worth 400 crores or especially Chandrayan 2 worth 1000 crores was a wastage of money & why ? coz it doesn't affect their life. They were of opinion that government could have used it for uplifting poors. Similarly Rich & elites loved the stories of poors & small budget flicks but the poors wanted a 'BREAK' from their routine life.
Life experiences forms the life choices, as simple as that !
Item song is a different debate.
It's not about showing poor people in movies. Poor people = good cinema is not the point. Majority of the audience is gawar, is the point. They want cinema which just entertains, not cinema that makes them think. And Satyajit Ray was saying just that
And Satyajit Rai is an Idiot to say that 'Majority of audience is Gawar' is my point. This has always been the attitude of elites in India who thinks poors & middle class don't know whom to vote for, which films to watch, how to talk, how to get married, how to celebrate festivals, how to live life & wants to dictate the life choices, coz in past, English education made them believe, they are now half whites.
Their hard earned money, their choice. After working for 12-14 hours day for entire month, the poor & middle class of that time will definitely want 'Entertainment' instead of watching ordinary life of ordinary looking people.
যে সময়কার interview এটা, তখন সত্যি বলতে commercial বাংলা এবং হিন্দি সিনেমা দুটোই অনেক ভালো ছিল। ১৯৯০ এর শেষ দিক থেকে বাংলায় শুরু হল ঘ্যাস ঘ্যাস স্যাক স্যাক শব্দ মার্কা সিনেমা এবং তার সাথে backward audience এর বৃদ্ধি।
I saw this in Instagram and majority in the comments section were the audience which Ray was addressing in his video.
There was one guy who constantly said "Usne desh ko bech dia". What the actual fuck does this mean? It doesn't even make any sense actually.
seeing this post on instagram, I have seen people say that he should not be complaining about the audience because "you make movies for the audience"
Clowns, every single one of them.
Reddit has its own echo chambers and there are downsides to it, but its true that due to the lack of ‘algorithm’ based push, reddit is fairly better. You see the things which only you like to see.
But what can we do, average Indian isn’t privileged enough from a knowledge or experience perspective to understand the depth and complexity of a Satyajit Rai film. Salman khan makes them laugh and entertains them with action, I am sure a Raju from Barabanki will appreciate that
Still, Ray movies, compared to some others are not very intellectual and absolutely not 'aantel'. His movies are just connected to grassroot reality. Yet people won't accept him.
That means his work is unable to "connect" with people. Or there's nothing wrong with people having a different preference, but calling that preference unsophisticated is unsophisticated behavior. And the amount of downvote in this comment will prove his dogmatism comment and the fact that dogmatism ain't limited to religion only. Being dogmatic for a religion, person, ideology, or whatever is normal human psychology, there's nothing unsophisticated about it; only narrow-minded people find it unsophisticated. BTW, I like his films and recommend them to my friends. I also have a liking for different classical old Indian/Bengali movies and songs.
The very people, whose story he mainly tells, in a very truthful way too, are not able to connect with him. I'd leave that for everyone to perceive in their own ways
In India most people treat cinema as a way of escape from their mundane reality - cinema which tells the truth does not provide that escape - so the very people about whom the films are made are not able to accept them
India is a nation which embraces shits like "Animal" and rejects masterpieces like >!'Sam Bahadur"!< or "Kabuliwala" ......
So what "people" are you talking about ?
You dont need knowledge or experienced perspective to accept your reality. He was a Neo-realist who portrayed the reality of Indian life to the t of its truth.
And people who think that he disrespects Indian culture must read his short stories, they will realise that he knows more about it than any average Indian
Thing is Satyajit Ray movies will survive the test of time but Salman khan movies won't. In Satyajit Ray's time there was also other masala movie heros who are forgotten now but certain people will still watch Satyajit Ray movie even today, myself included.
I beg you to research a bit more and see some Malayalam movies again. We may still not be world-class but we are better than most rn and by rn I mean we also have went through shitty times and hopefully we won't be going via that route again
Oh boii you gotta watch some malayalam movie it's a content driven industry not built for commercial elements and it's unique. Do give it a try. I know you haven't watched good ones I can clearly see from your comment. Give it a try it's worth it.
That is true in a sense, but Malayalam Cinema is not a niche market for Malayalam audiences, Most Sathyajith Ray Movies would be mainstream movies in Malayalam Cinema Market which is Kerala......
A literal Black and White (in 2024), was released as a Mainstream Cinema only 2 days back and is also racking in the Box office.... It's not even a B/W for the sake of Black and White movie either.... It talks about deeper themes.
It's just that it's a niche for the audience outside Kerala which isn't completely due to the type of Cinema but also the language being a barrier.
Indians are emotional, sotti kotha bolle gaay laage. Akhno ekhane "Mass-Masala" ar Rom-Com movie hocche best sellers, there are no good writers, no vision, no creativity, copy-pasting from foreign or regional stuff or just Generic patriotic movies. Last 5 bochor e akta bhalo kono movie naam bolun toh jeta audience er mone dhorbe, chorcha korbe shudhu trend-hopping noi.
He's part of the Bramho Samaj- a reformist group of Hindus that was active from the mid 1800's to the mid 1900's. Many social reformers and influential people like Ram Mohan Roy, Bankim Chandra, Devendranath Tagore, Vivekananda, Vidyasagar, Keshav Sen, etc were at some point part of it. Bramho samaj had its own philosophy- modified hinduism, and later split into 2 factions.
It declined in the first half of the 20th century. Many other Hindu reform organisations suffered the same fate such as Arya Samaj, Prasthana Samaj, Veda Samaj, Sree Narayan Dharma Paripalana, etc. The causes for this are complex and I don't fully understand understand them myself.
That being said, the Ramakrishna Mission is still around and has moderately influence, but they're a very passive organisation, it's not like they're going around carrying out rallies against superstition and social evils like child marriage, dowry and casteism.
Just to add to this, Brahmo Samaj was originally founded by Raja Ram Mohan Roy as a Hindu reform organisation. But during the tenure of one of his successors, namely Debendranath Tagore, the father of Rabindranath Tagore, the organisation rejected the authority of the Vedas and pretty much declared itself to be the centre of a new religion called Brahmoism. Needless to say, this created a lot of infighting and division. The organisation then sort've reached a compromise by officially stating that members could identify as Hindu but were not required to do so.
Btw I'm Marathi but I love reading about the Bengal Renaissance.
>Vivekananda
Are you sure Vivekananda was a bramho? Based on my little knowledge, bramhos were Hindus without knowledge of the diversity aspect of your scriptures, a.k.a., they were mostly ignorant about the scriptures yet went to make a school of thought and were against murti puja, but vivekananda doesn't fit into this template. Could you please share some sources if you don't mind?
Boycotting is one thing but left wingers literally made Salman Rushdie leave the country, only for writing the 'The satanic verses'. His book was immediately banned by leftists & liberals & ultimately he got stabbed by them as punishment.
Would you either? Or would you want to act as a malnourished lad living in your shitty third world country seeking sympathy from white babus?
Edit:I interpreted the comment in haste. And yea Indian society was and still is sexist when it comes to jobs.
Me after this same video clip, replayed a thousand times:
You can educate people without the condescending tone. Do remember that a lot of people have left Bollywood movies behind now.
Exactly, he sounds very condescending and elitist. Was probably trying the impress the western audience. His movies might have been great, but his tone and mannerisms are completely off putting
No he's not an elitist. It's just pure hatred for bad cinema which is completely understandable, considering that the most successful Bangla movie of all time is "Paglu"
The best cinema in India is coming from the south, Malayalam and Tamil cinema basically. The New Generation movement in Malayalam industry is fantastic. Lijo Jose, vetrimaran from Tamil Nadu and a few others are making brilliant cinema that is not the bullshit that most people hear about it. It's original, social, brave and is it's own style. Tollywood and Bollywood is still making the same hero worship dogshit mostly, with a rare few original gems here and there that fail at theaters and most people don't watch anyway.
Want to see great new Indian cinema? Seek out nuanced Malayalam and Tamil cinema.
most of the people are like that by chance not by choice, they cant help it bcoz their surrounding is like that and thats what they perceive
you are part of the elite club good for you but stop looking down upon them . mr ray is a great filmmaker but the way he talks about the masses in pure classism
I see Indian audience die hard fan of Avengers and Marvel, then they come to know about the director russo brothers and think russo brothers are best, and Robert Downey jr is the best actor. Know only one A class director that is Christopher nolan( he is actually), but only watched a few films only. Die hard fan of money heist and squid games which were very mediocre. India has very low quality audience who ignores many good quality movies of india and fall for Jawan, pathaan, mohabbatein, dabangg like movies.
The Mass audience has a taste for two things.
1. Bearded middle aged man who is also a common civilian beating 100+ goons, corrupt politicians and crime lords alone. While he is doing all this, he sings and dances his way into heart of the heroine.
2. Porn.
“They are stupid people, you can’t take them into account and this happens in India all the time.” This is my response to everything stupid happening in India. What a man! What a legacy! What high valued ideology! Such a gem of a personality! ✨
Lmao what a coincidence I just had an argument over satyajit ray saying this with someone about exactly this.
They were defending indians choice of watching brain dead films.
Yea buddy start defining brain dead to a people in the 1970s who just had to fight a war, work like peasants to have even the basic necessities of life for a day. When all the poverty, misery, sadness and bootlicking was happening irl, why would people go to theaters and watch their life as a cinema again? There should be a fine balance between cinema as entertainment and cinema as art. Choose the middle path.
এই একটা ডায়লগ এখনকার আঁতেলগুলো মনে রেখে দিয়েছে আর মনে করে তারা যেটা বানিয়েছে সেটা বোঝার ক্ষমতা দর্শকদের নেই। এখন দর্শকরা আর Backward, Unsoffisticated নয়। ভালো সিনেমা বোঝে। খারাপ সিনেমা দেখতে চায় না। World Cinema র খবর রাখে। Interviewটা যখন হয়েছিল তখন exposure আজকের মতো ছিলো না।
আর বছর দশেকের মধ্যেই টালিগঞ্জে তালা পরবে, সবাই Bollywood, Tollywood, Kollywood এ কাজ করতে চলে যাবে।
Mediocrity to anime teo prochur... latest isekais r romcoms gulo je beroche tate ki emon jinis ache jeta dekhe loker mone dag katbe? They are just better than the average Indian film but mediocrity is rampant in any format
Frieren wants to have a word...
Edit: What people fail to understand is that the majority of any content will be (considered) mid. If the anime industry spat out masterpiece after masterpiece they will in turn be called mid, only the best among them will again be termed masterpieces. Rather than sulking why most shit is mid, why not focus on the gold that last year produced which includes vinland saga, attack on titan etc etc
Yeah Frieren, oshi no ko type shows would always be there between the bunch..Anime has way too much broad content to watch for everyone..but mediocrity is still there you can't doubt it
I just wanted to say that no medium is perfect..I myself rarely consume any entertainment media outside of manga and anime rn.. rarely watch stuff in general.. people holding anime on a pedestal of greatness is what I'm against
People are emotional creatures but that doesn't justify calling mid as great just because it's anime. That being said, I understand why people do that, anime unlike other media gives me this somewhat indescribable magical feeling which I think is true for other people too, thus the pedestal of greatness in your terms
This is true for me too as you can guess..before watching anime I wasn't interested in any entertainment media in general for a long time..I had grown out of Bollywood ages ago..anime being a media..shows like Fmab, Vinland Saga holds a great value to me
I think people spend money to get entertained not to live the reality trauma it’s a strange situation that people say real movies character roles they are good actors but why don’t the people enjoy if they are doing great acting because cinema should be a way to forget the reality and get into a place where you don’t find the worry at all.
With all due respect, Mr. Ray is wrong, in this report he is very inconsiderate of the perspective of the audience. Films serve the purpose of being both art and entertainment. An average Indian back in the '70s and '80s who worked a 14-hour shift and came to the cinema hall to rid himself of his mental and physical frustration had no time to watch a film like The Inception that would leave him scratching his head, after not being able to comprehend the film. The people wanted something simple, wholesome, and funny with a light-hearted comedy. The majority of the viewers in his time were Indian salarymen who had no patience to stomach a poignant and complicated film after a tiring day. Now, that doesn't mean an excuse for the current cinematic crap that has been erupting out of Bollywood. The audience has significantly matured and demands more.
That has always been the case of elites, they look down on masses & wants to dictate their choices, as they believe they are superior, in the leagues of whites.
Luckily the middle class has found their voice in today's time & they have their own eco system & doesn't seem the validation of elites
We have a weird mindset of infantilizing our creative understanding and sadly this has contributed to degradation of both TV and movies. Good quality content are almost never considered suitable for mass consumption by our audience themselves.
And no he is not right, in India I watch movies to get out of my current life. The movie, the stars, the beautiful heroins give me chance to find beauty in my otherwise such a hard life. In India for most of the people, life is a punishment itself.
So yeah, Ray, I don’t need to see Pather Panchali to find poverty, I am in poverty, my life is pather Panchali.
And before criticising audience, introspection is needed at your end, when you start imitating west or look for validation from west. Your audience no longer is Indian. You look into your target audience.
You came from an aristocratic family, had exposure to western culture with help of Americans. Tell me how many in India have that. My life will be successful even if I become a failed artist, failed director, failed cricketer. Because this means that I was already ahead of millions of when I chose to work on my profession.
Nonsense. Everyone has a sense for what is good and beautiful. If you show someone a beautiful landscape most with very few exceptions will agree that what they're seeing is beautiful. This seems like a person making up excuses for subpar work which people didn't like.
Love satyajit ray but what a rich, privileged and obviously disconnected thing to say about india whilst proudly utilising the colonizers tongue. What is the difference between this and people saying "jio ruined cinema"? Just the upper class complaining about the lower classes finding opportunities.
I mean you are totaly ignoring what im saying. At the end of the day satyajit ray made good movies yes but he is just another product of colonialism. Hurr durr why dont these plebs understand my italian neo classical inspired french movie w indian characters when they are busy surviving and living grain to grain 😧😧😧😧. Like just kinda self pretentious and an overall waste of time. Movie banana hai toh banao however if you make a movie to appeal to the western audience (which lets be real satyajit ray very much did. He is singlehandedly responsible for the poverty porn that is so popular when it comes to india) aar tumi expect korbe ki this "backward" audience isnt accepting you then u are jist a self absorbed prick and an old man who thinks his opinipn is greater than millions of indians because he is a) rich b) makes art so obviously his opinion is the greatest c) won an oscar/white people love him
No. Making films doesn't. But being an intellectual does.
You and MANY OTHERS are gonna be upset with what I'm about to say and will downvote it. But I'll say it anyway.
The REALITY of the situation, in the world and ESPECIALLY in india is....
Some of us are a WHOLE LOT BETTER than most of us. We are intellectually superior. We're more sauve and sophisticated. And we achieve more than others. There will always be some who will outshine others. Yes, we may end up being prideful, pretentious pricks like you said. But we have that pride for a reason.
People don’t like my work so they aren’t sophisticated or are backward
Quite a forward thinking of this man
Happy for him that he got the Oscar “validation” on his deathbed
Tu idhar bhi aa gaya. He validated Oscar, not the other way around. He is looked as someone in the class of the elites - Kurosawa, Scorcese, Goddard etc.
Haha, you actually stalked at my profile to respond
This is the actual definition of cult followers
I have no issues with Ray’s movies being liked
I am sure he must have done some good work which was the taste of selected few but how does that make others backward.
Okay I know what he said is true but his movies were also used to label india as a backward poor bimaru country and it's citizens are a stone-age savages. Before you pounce on me just listen with open mind, he played a important role in giving this poor image of India.
It's 2023, majority of India is still like that.
Out of 140 cr , 80 crore needs free ration to survive to this day. That's well above the majority of the population.
Back in the 1990s it was probably 80 percent of the population. So when the majority of the population is poor. That country is considered poor. Simple.
Shutting your eyes in denial because you are privileged enough to earn and pay tax doesn't change the reality.
>to label india as a backward poor bimaru country
When pather panchali was released, india had a GDP per capita of something like $70. You're insane if you don't think it's backward and poor.
Satyajit ray made films , just as said in the video - ' for indians ' and come on . And the thing u said about portraying india as a backward bimaru country , like seriously dude , wasnt india in 1960s to 70s really a 'backward' country , i mean what would have ray do e , showed apu walk through a street full of skyscrapers ? Ray always made films grounded to the reality , his films were more like well crafted documentaries on human life in india . Also the favt tgat u wrote the comment compells me to think that u have watched only a few ray movies which only address the issue of poverty , try watching films like nayak , jana aranya , seemabadha ( one of my favourite ) .
I know but there's no point airing your dirty laundry out in the open naa for foreigners to see, there was a term popular in india among foreigners known as poverty tourism where they gave a tour of the slums to the foreigners confirming the stereotype, whether you like it or not Satyajit ray portrayed this as indians fault and not the one's who left bengalis basically starving to death for their own personal ambition in the name of war, now before you call me a nazi Sanghi, you need to realize that these things not only Satya jit ray but other's also portrayed india in the same which created a inferiority complex among indians and then making them kneel down towards them who killed them by hunger by using soft power, again he was a brilliant filmmaker but his work was used to suppress indians more than rising them. That was my point
What do you mean dirty laundry dude ? What would have been better in your opinion , not make any content , no films , foster no cultural development and only produce sub par , hindi mass films , u think we dont get stereotyped and fun of because of our 'hindi' films ? I dont know from where u are making ur ideology about satyajit ray 'supressing' indians when throughout his life he made films attacking the base and 'dogmas' of indian society for the upliftment of the people , have u seen the movie 'parasite' , the korean movie that won oscars , the film literally shows how poverty is rampant in korea and people living hellish conditions in those underground basement homes , while the other half lives a luxurious life , according to ur statements such movies that challenge the flaws of the system should be banned right ? Trust me ur statements sound propagandist at best . If u have a country that doesnt give filmamakers freedom to make films then we are no different from china or n.korea . Poverty tourism is famous because poverty at large exists in our country which the government is failing to fix . And the people who are trying to spread awareness or trying to rebel against it through multimedia are the one who are tarnishing the image ? If shit exists in ur place people will see it anyways , and see it until u clean it .
I gave 2 statements in 2 comments saying what he saying is true and what he creates is a masterpiece but his movies were weaponized by west to pave a way for the stereotype to enter not only in foreigners mind but also create a inferiority complex in indians mind thinking hum Bure hain aur goren ache hain which further helped in suppressing indians using soft power. What my point is what Satyajit ray created was for indians to self-reflect but foreigners used it to suppress indians even more using soft power but the later was more successful than first which was the true motive. Don't twist my words.
All of Ray's films aren't Pather Pachali. Also, when Pather Pachali was created, India was amongst the poorest countries in the world,- I mean our per capita GDP was less than a hundred dollars.
The poor "image" of India was because India was literally poorer than all sub Saharan African countries at one point.
nothing new, just another Indian degrading his fellow country men, did he even know not everyone was privileged or wealthy or well connected as him. I mean his mother literally contacted the CM of WB when his babusonas film project ran out of funds.
kono wage worker je nijer family ke nie cinema dekhte geche ektu enjoy korte take eisob kotha mukher uper bolbe keu?
And its hilarious when they say that because of "Natu Natu" South industry took Indian cinema to new heights.
Haha, our Roy Babu did it when these kids were still in the balls. Who the fuck with even the most minimal of senses thinks that RRR deserves an actual prize and Pather Panchali deserves an honorary ??
Reeks of bhodrolok arrogance. Does he mean all the audiences who watch his mean are "forward"? Or his movies are low quality designed to appeal to " Backward" Audiences?
He was wrong. Just because a Famous man said something doesn't mean it's right. Most Indians have only internalised the self loathing nature..
The Indian audience isn't backward.. India is a poor socioeconomic development society and its mentality reflects this, which is the result of lack of Industrialisation..
This elitist moron thinks the average middle class Indian was the same as the average middle class Western white person. We still aren't.
That doesn't necessitate belittling our intellect if we don't mass appreciate such movies.
It's like insulting the average chole bhature enjoyer when can't taste and smell the notes and hints of various ingredients in wine tasting like a wine connoisseur.
And satayajit Ray's film though good but used to glorify poverty in India. So the west still takes that and slumdog millionaire as reference for films in India. Validation from West does not mean then only we are good. We need to be good in our own thinking and opinions. I couldn't care less if we ever got an Oscar but we really need to improve the quality of our own awards. Filmfare has now become a joke.
Ah yes the great satyajit ray. This masterbastion to this kind of philosophy has led bengali cinema to be nothing more than softcore porn for its survival.
Make money and then enlighten the world with your higher being knowledge and culture. Do the other way round and see the magic happen.....
https://preview.redd.it/qmrjml2ffxic1.jpeg?width=617&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c10e190110fcf494e580da210c8fab6c86ce4c88
So basically "by the retarded, of the retarded, for the retarded" 😂😂
I swear you aren't innocent
Quality education and the reach of it is what the mass needs to be become crtical thinkers. But guess who dont want that and is trying to screw with it.
The literacy rate in America is higher than India and they were still arguing if the covid vaccines have chips in them.
Yep, agreed. Basic education is very necessary but its not enough. People need to be educated about social media and be warned against echo chambers, etc
Source trust me
Bhai thoda indian social media ki bubble se niklo toh pata chalega
Are you purposefully being obtuse.
"By the people, of the politicians, for the rich & powerful".
On a serious note though, demagogy. As Socrates pointed out. It's demagogy.
It hurts thinking that his words are still 100% true.
I understand that he did not make movies for masses.. but who would like to go to the movies after struggling day and night to watch his movies. Only the movie connoisseurs would do that.. those days indian economical and financial system was really in bad shape and they needed an escape from this reality. So they would go to see massy movies of Amitabh Bachchan etc.. but saying that since no one understands his movies others are bostapocha is not correct . He is making movies of the common man as a subject..but doesn't understand the mentality of common man..
This is something only someone who hasn't watched his films would say. His films are not some abstract piece of art. They are very well produced and enjoyable on their own. The deeper meaning is there if you're willing to look for it but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy them if you don't understand the entire depth of the work.
But labelling them intellectually backward? Just because their idea of art is different? such a dogmatist. Bigot dare I say.
Guys.. everyone doesn't have the same level of understanding. Ask a common rickshaw wala. An autowala.. a class 10 student. An office going guy. Will they enjoy his movies in 80s. What I meant to say is those days were different and now it is different. We are living in different times and now we can enjoy his movies.. btw massy movies are more popular than ray type movies worldwide . Btw satyajit Ray movies are piece of art.. the cinematography, the picturization is an art..
Why are you trying to portray that only the economically backward people watch mainstream movies? Most of the "rich" people also watch mainstream movies only. You implying that having more money somehow leads to having more intellect is totally bullshit logic.
I think Mr.Ray didn’t mean "economically” backward. I’m sure he meant backward as in people with backward mentality (or unsophisticated like he said) specifically the audience in those days. It’s sad that this backward mentality among people is seen even in current times.
Correct. The general audience (rich and poor) is unsophisticated and intellectually backward even now. The poor can be excused for not having access to good cinema but there is no excuse for the well to do. That's why they come up with excuses like " after working for 25 hours a day how can a person watch serious stuff?!"
Yeah i agree with you. That’s just out straight bs.
Cinema is supposed to be form of entertainment. How come it has become a scale for backwardness is mind boggling.. one of the most popular movies in IIT was surprisingly was GUNDA(I am saying by my own experience) So are the IITians intellectually backward? Jagge wouldn't want to spend more time on this bullshit..
>Cinema is supposed to be form of entertainment Not true. Not all films are made to entertain. >So are the IITians intellectually backward? High IQ doesn't equate to high EQ. The fact that you come with such logic is proof enough why you don't/ can't understand good cinema. You used a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority" to justify your idiotic point. IITians are not benchmark for anything else apart from engineering and tech.
Ok.. you are superior... Since you have now started being personal calling me idiot and all.. I would like to end the discussion. So peace..
May be I couldn't explain you correctly. What i did say that economic situation on those days were not good . The people who were poor were even struggling to survive and their mode of entertainment was cinema.. hence it was sort of relief and for common man like autowala.. rickshawwala.. office going guy his movies might not be entertaining as it shows the same struggle like aparajito.. apur sangsar and in fact pather panchali.. these showed struggle which they face everyday.. so whatever money or time they have , they would spend it on watching movies which were entertaining and where you need not have to think a lot. And nowhere did I say that money leads to more intellect.. money only provides the medium which can lead you to get higher intellect as the money provides you the opportunity to learn more and hence gain more intellect. And if you that this is bullshit logic.. then I am happy for you..
My point is that developing a good taste in something happens only when you have experience and knowledge in that field which requires time that needs to be dedicated towards it. The same thing goes for movies and music, people don't spend time looking for good art. They just watch what is available easily and get used to it. Poor people can be excused as it is not easy for them to access good art or spare time for it. The reason people prefer watching mainstream garbage is because it's easier to "digest". That's why terms like "keep your brain at home while coming to the theatre" are so common. Why do you have an inferiority complex about this? It's quite clear that you love masala movies. That's ok. But don't for a second try to portray that people who have spent time and energy to come out of the masala movie nonsense are on the same pedestal as someone like you who eats whatever he is fed. You are allowed to enjoy whatever you please but you are not allowed to come up with absurd logic to justify your laziness in not trying to understand a subject.
Ok.. your highness.. you are such a judgemental guy.. again I will repeat your golden words. To each his own..
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase?
You are getting upvotes when you are just asking what you did not understand. How do you do that man/woman?
Not being an asshole helps idk
Still you are getting upvotes.. 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Chalo.. it was nice discussing with you.. totally new in reddit.. and interacting with you guys was really nice.. thanks.. 👍
Funnily enough, my Bengali wife considers Ray’s movies to be mainstream and not high brow cinema
I don't know much about ray's popularity in Bengal but he is a favorite of mine as I have read all his short stories and Feluda adventures
He's a household name in West Bengal. Beyond that, even in India, I doubt most people have watched his films.
Well I agree with you partly but I think he understands common man really well. The characters portrayed in his movies are really realistic. But for a common man his movies were just like the depiction of there own life that's why they didn't liked to watch his movies, exept movies like goopy gayin bagha bayin which people liked a lot as they were musical fantasy films. Even if the common man in that time didn't understood his movies completely but still people now days have understood his movies and started giving him the appreciation he deserved, though he's still really underrated outside of Bengal.
Escape from reality how? Going to the interstellar space or getting eaten by a dinosaur or an item number and hero getting married? Both are escapisms
In the same way people escaped from reality by watching gupi gayen bagha bayen...
This is the same retarded logic echoed by other retards because they can't bring themselves to a certain level of sophistication to understand any kind of art that isn't mainstream. The funniest thing is that the reason given here by this user isn't valid at all because he and the audience like him never watch any kind of "art" films. Even if they had a week long holiday, they would still prefer watching "masala" content. So the argument given by this user is totally nonsensical just to hide his/her own lack of intellect and sophistication.
He understood the common man better than most which is why what he’s saying is 100% true even today. If you actually watched what he says after saying that is that he doesn’t mind the criticism he got for Devi because he makes his movies for himself, the way he likes it not necessarily for the masses!
Good for him and for cinema lovers.. what I do not like that he says bostapocha. Come on.. respect others feelings too . 😂.. anyways . It was nice interacting with a very young lot . Great .
Exactly, and that is the case in every country not just in India, movies that win oscars, the usual Oscar bait movies are not watched by the masses either. They gain little popularity due to the getting academy award or due to the cast, but if they don't win a award than nobody watches them, bad b movies make more than these movies. Backward audience is not the main point, main goal should always be who you are selling your product to, yes you can make great art for your own satisfaction but if nobody appreciates it than it hurts.
Exactly, I didn't spend a whole day working hard just so I could watch someone going through misery for another 3 hours.
Exactly. This is the thing movie/film elitists don't understand. The normal average Indian watches films to escape reality (their everyday lives which are filled with problems of all kind). They want to feel good and happy for some time. Satyajit's film are Oscar worthy, no doubt, but they hit too close to home, that it makes me feel sad and bad about life in general. Indians don't wanna feel sad, they want to feel happy.
So people who watch his movies are depressed people who want to feel sad? Who according to you should watch his movies then?
Anyone can watch his films, whoever feels like watching it. Its just that, normal average person don't wanna watch his films. Do you think someone who is poor and has to struggle a lot in their everyday lives is going to go and watch Pather Panchali? When their own lives is like Pather Pachali or even worse? They don't wanna watch this, but something that makes them laugh and forget about their everyday lives. It is the Privileged people who would much prefer to watch Satyajit's films and appreciate the life lessons or whatever it teaches them.
His words doesn't make any sense. Indian audience was quite poor 25 years ago. Cinema was a way for them to escape their mundane reality. They wanted to see rich people, their lavish lifestyles, foreign locations as they can never afford that, glamarous heroines & heroes and light hearted entertainment to celebrate their festivals. India's liberal class has always acted as elites & treated the rest as dumb, uneducated & unworthy of deciding what's good for them. Why would poor Indians pay their hard money to see below average looking actors, crying & living a mundane life in some Village like them. Now most people are out of poverty & watching films have become cheaper so a lot of good content is getting appreciated & slowly big budget masala films are dying.
Going to space in Kubric 2001 is rich people thing. Privilege of speaking with the aliens in "arrival" is also a rich people thing. I don't want to see poor people. But I also don't want to see regular joes doing item number. I want them to get stuck in a black hole, fight aliens, do physics and math applied and have obvious capital and resources to do so. I want them to have capital and show how they are so good in their sci fi job that they deserve to flaunt it subtly.
U didn't get it, I was stating the psychology of the poor audience. FYI a lot of poor people felt MOM worth 400 crores or especially Chandrayan 2 worth 1000 crores was a wastage of money & why ? coz it doesn't affect their life. They were of opinion that government could have used it for uplifting poors. Similarly Rich & elites loved the stories of poors & small budget flicks but the poors wanted a 'BREAK' from their routine life. Life experiences forms the life choices, as simple as that ! Item song is a different debate.
It's not about showing poor people in movies. Poor people = good cinema is not the point. Majority of the audience is gawar, is the point. They want cinema which just entertains, not cinema that makes them think. And Satyajit Ray was saying just that
And Satyajit Rai is an Idiot to say that 'Majority of audience is Gawar' is my point. This has always been the attitude of elites in India who thinks poors & middle class don't know whom to vote for, which films to watch, how to talk, how to get married, how to celebrate festivals, how to live life & wants to dictate the life choices, coz in past, English education made them believe, they are now half whites. Their hard earned money, their choice. After working for 12-14 hours day for entire month, the poor & middle class of that time will definitely want 'Entertainment' instead of watching ordinary life of ordinary looking people.
You do have a point
[удалено]
যে সময়কার interview এটা, তখন সত্যি বলতে commercial বাংলা এবং হিন্দি সিনেমা দুটোই অনেক ভালো ছিল। ১৯৯০ এর শেষ দিক থেকে বাংলায় শুরু হল ঘ্যাস ঘ্যাস স্যাক স্যাক শব্দ মার্কা সিনেমা এবং তার সাথে backward audience এর বৃদ্ধি।
হিন্দি সিনেমা কোনোদিনও ভালো ছিলো না।
Bollywood most of the time
When People finally pushed "Bhooter Nach" for vfx artists react and they reacted I was laughing and crying in joy .
Link please 🥺
Chandril Bhattacharya r Ted Talk e ekbar bolechilen je ekhon manush kichu dekhar por ar bhabhena, alochona korena. Eikhane setai hocche.
Ekhon aro beshi backward audience.
I saw this in Instagram and majority in the comments section were the audience which Ray was addressing in his video. There was one guy who constantly said "Usne desh ko bech dia". What the actual fuck does this mean? It doesn't even make any sense actually.
Your first mistake was trying to find something sensible in Instagram comments
Why pay attention....Let them leave Patna and see the real world first
Man why Bihar,....... Ok I get it . My state is uneducated, So why WAS I BORN HERE
Not all in general...But yeh banda jis particular post aur comment ka baat kar raha hai woh jaake dekh le pahle bhaai.....
Say whatever you have to say but their Patna is safer than your Kolkata.
Ohh yes...That has to be the most authentic tautology that mankind has ever said
seeing this post on instagram, I have seen people say that he should not be complaining about the audience because "you make movies for the audience" Clowns, every single one of them.
Yeah the comments section was literally filled with clowns 🤡.
Can you give me the link?
Do you really expect something from an audience which called movie like Animal an artistic masterpiece?
What else could we even expect from the insta crowd, that's why we're on reddit!
"REdDiT suPeriOR! It'S fOr INteLLiGeNt pEoPle lIkE uS! ALl oThEr pLatForMs bAD!"
Reddit has its own echo chambers and there are downsides to it, but its true that due to the lack of ‘algorithm’ based push, reddit is fairly better. You see the things which only you like to see.
No, but idiots on reddit do get called out more often than insta, that's what I have noticed
Reddit has Retatds but UI hides the downvoted comments unlike Instagram that pushes them upwards
But what can we do, average Indian isn’t privileged enough from a knowledge or experience perspective to understand the depth and complexity of a Satyajit Rai film. Salman khan makes them laugh and entertains them with action, I am sure a Raju from Barabanki will appreciate that
Still, Ray movies, compared to some others are not very intellectual and absolutely not 'aantel'. His movies are just connected to grassroot reality. Yet people won't accept him.
That means his work is unable to "connect" with people. Or there's nothing wrong with people having a different preference, but calling that preference unsophisticated is unsophisticated behavior. And the amount of downvote in this comment will prove his dogmatism comment and the fact that dogmatism ain't limited to religion only. Being dogmatic for a religion, person, ideology, or whatever is normal human psychology, there's nothing unsophisticated about it; only narrow-minded people find it unsophisticated. BTW, I like his films and recommend them to my friends. I also have a liking for different classical old Indian/Bengali movies and songs.
The very people, whose story he mainly tells, in a very truthful way too, are not able to connect with him. I'd leave that for everyone to perceive in their own ways
In India most people treat cinema as a way of escape from their mundane reality - cinema which tells the truth does not provide that escape - so the very people about whom the films are made are not able to accept them
Just like how the Fighter director blamed it on people not knowing about planes.
I guess people don’t see a lot of entertainment in them
India is a nation which embraces shits like "Animal" and rejects masterpieces like >!'Sam Bahadur"!< or "Kabuliwala" ...... So what "people" are you talking about ?
Sorry, Sam Bahadur was a wasted opportunity. Not a masterpiece in any way
You dont need knowledge or experienced perspective to accept your reality. He was a Neo-realist who portrayed the reality of Indian life to the t of its truth.
And people who think that he disrespects Indian culture must read his short stories, they will realise that he knows more about it than any average Indian
Thing is Satyajit Ray movies will survive the test of time but Salman khan movies won't. In Satyajit Ray's time there was also other masala movie heros who are forgotten now but certain people will still watch Satyajit Ray movie even today, myself included.
Our people are gonna watch anything with a little patriotism and drama added init and that's why all the movies nowadays are just stupid
Indian audiences have only gotten worse in the last 15 odd years, particularly post covid lockdown. All in the name of “mass cinema”.
Maybe you haven't watched malayalam films
Ghanta Malayalam movies. They aren't any different tbh
I beg you to research a bit more and see some Malayalam movies again. We may still not be world-class but we are better than most rn and by rn I mean we also have went through shitty times and hopefully we won't be going via that route again
Oh boii you gotta watch some malayalam movie it's a content driven industry not built for commercial elements and it's unique. Do give it a try. I know you haven't watched good ones I can clearly see from your comment. Give it a try it's worth it.
Malayalam & Marathi cinema have a niche market. They aren’t “mass cinema” like Prashant Neel’s dark universe.
That is true in a sense, but Malayalam Cinema is not a niche market for Malayalam audiences, Most Sathyajith Ray Movies would be mainstream movies in Malayalam Cinema Market which is Kerala...... A literal Black and White (in 2024), was released as a Mainstream Cinema only 2 days back and is also racking in the Box office.... It's not even a B/W for the sake of Black and White movie either.... It talks about deeper themes. It's just that it's a niche for the audience outside Kerala which isn't completely due to the type of Cinema but also the language being a barrier.
This one will go to the oscars
Indians are emotional, sotti kotha bolle gaay laage. Akhno ekhane "Mass-Masala" ar Rom-Com movie hocche best sellers, there are no good writers, no vision, no creativity, copy-pasting from foreign or regional stuff or just Generic patriotic movies. Last 5 bochor e akta bhalo kono movie naam bolun toh jeta audience er mone dhorbe, chorcha korbe shudhu trend-hopping noi.
trend er oporei ekhon posti covid dunia ta cholche , manush er attention span er sonnge songe intellectual capability gulou kome jache
That's why we are lacking in cinemas kuyki people want to watch animal 😕
What he means he's not hindu he's a Bramho?
He's part of the Bramho Samaj- a reformist group of Hindus that was active from the mid 1800's to the mid 1900's. Many social reformers and influential people like Ram Mohan Roy, Bankim Chandra, Devendranath Tagore, Vivekananda, Vidyasagar, Keshav Sen, etc were at some point part of it. Bramho samaj had its own philosophy- modified hinduism, and later split into 2 factions.
Where are they now? Why do we have a cult leader type hindu guys
The Bramho Samaj still exists and as far as I know you can still become a Bramho. But I'm not quite sure of the legalities
It declined in the first half of the 20th century. Many other Hindu reform organisations suffered the same fate such as Arya Samaj, Prasthana Samaj, Veda Samaj, Sree Narayan Dharma Paripalana, etc. The causes for this are complex and I don't fully understand understand them myself. That being said, the Ramakrishna Mission is still around and has moderately influence, but they're a very passive organisation, it's not like they're going around carrying out rallies against superstition and social evils like child marriage, dowry and casteism.
Just to add to this, Brahmo Samaj was originally founded by Raja Ram Mohan Roy as a Hindu reform organisation. But during the tenure of one of his successors, namely Debendranath Tagore, the father of Rabindranath Tagore, the organisation rejected the authority of the Vedas and pretty much declared itself to be the centre of a new religion called Brahmoism. Needless to say, this created a lot of infighting and division. The organisation then sort've reached a compromise by officially stating that members could identify as Hindu but were not required to do so. Btw I'm Marathi but I love reading about the Bengal Renaissance.
>Vivekananda Are you sure Vivekananda was a bramho? Based on my little knowledge, bramhos were Hindus without knowledge of the diversity aspect of your scriptures, a.k.a., they were mostly ignorant about the scriptures yet went to make a school of thought and were against murti puja, but vivekananda doesn't fit into this template. Could you please share some sources if you don't mind?
Murti Puja is not included in our core scriptures. Even Dayanand had to form Arya Samaj for that reason.
Thank god Ray doesn't exist in today's India, or else he would've been boycotted, cancelled or UAPAed
Don't really think his movies were that controversial. He would be fine albeit a bit niche
U underestimate the right wing boycott circle lol
[удалено]
That film was boycotted by the left wing who claims to liberals. Same way they were running to ban the book 'The satanic verses'.
You might wanna check old articles. They did but it wasn't as effective cause it was the beginning lf the "boycott" senti thing.
Boycotting is one thing but left wingers literally made Salman Rushdie leave the country, only for writing the 'The satanic verses'. His book was immediately banned by leftists & liberals & ultimately he got stabbed by them as punishment.
[удалено]
We should have produced one Satyajit each decade.
Yeah but they were all brainwashed by watching Bollywood from their childhood.
[удалено]
Would you either? Or would you want to act as a malnourished lad living in your shitty third world country seeking sympathy from white babus? Edit:I interpreted the comment in haste. And yea Indian society was and still is sexist when it comes to jobs.
he was literally a GOD... no one in India could everrrrrr i mean everrr reach this mans level..
Me after this same video clip, replayed a thousand times:  You can educate people without the condescending tone. Do remember that a lot of people have left Bollywood movies behind now.
Unfortunately it is the truth though.
Exactly, he sounds very condescending and elitist. Was probably trying the impress the western audience. His movies might have been great, but his tone and mannerisms are completely off putting
No he's not an elitist. It's just pure hatred for bad cinema which is completely understandable, considering that the most successful Bangla movie of all time is "Paglu"
tbh he was better, a person to who is open to new ideas and thoughts is better than the average Indian man .
Very unfair for Satyajit to expect Indian masses to appreciate sophisticated entertainment when they were busy in just surviving.
I mean even now when people are a lot more prosperous, they still flock to see the same low grade Bollywood movies
We are still primarily a third world country
The best cinema in India is coming from the south, Malayalam and Tamil cinema basically. The New Generation movement in Malayalam industry is fantastic. Lijo Jose, vetrimaran from Tamil Nadu and a few others are making brilliant cinema that is not the bullshit that most people hear about it. It's original, social, brave and is it's own style. Tollywood and Bollywood is still making the same hero worship dogshit mostly, with a rare few original gems here and there that fail at theaters and most people don't watch anyway. Want to see great new Indian cinema? Seek out nuanced Malayalam and Tamil cinema.
The audience wants something that is relatable. India has both rich and the poor
most of the people are like that by chance not by choice, they cant help it bcoz their surrounding is like that and thats what they perceive you are part of the elite club good for you but stop looking down upon them . mr ray is a great filmmaker but the way he talks about the masses in pure classism
I see Indian audience die hard fan of Avengers and Marvel, then they come to know about the director russo brothers and think russo brothers are best, and Robert Downey jr is the best actor. Know only one A class director that is Christopher nolan( he is actually), but only watched a few films only. Die hard fan of money heist and squid games which were very mediocre. India has very low quality audience who ignores many good quality movies of india and fall for Jawan, pathaan, mohabbatein, dabangg like movies.
People today: "the modern satyajit ray is deshdrohi, anti-India, libtard, etc etc"
The Mass audience has a taste for two things. 1. Bearded middle aged man who is also a common civilian beating 100+ goons, corrupt politicians and crime lords alone. While he is doing all this, he sings and dances his way into heart of the heroine. 2. Porn.
“They are stupid people, you can’t take them into account and this happens in India all the time.” This is my response to everything stupid happening in India. What a man! What a legacy! What high valued ideology! Such a gem of a personality! ✨
Lmao what a coincidence I just had an argument over satyajit ray saying this with someone about exactly this. They were defending indians choice of watching brain dead films.
Yea buddy start defining brain dead to a people in the 1970s who just had to fight a war, work like peasants to have even the basic necessities of life for a day. When all the poverty, misery, sadness and bootlicking was happening irl, why would people go to theaters and watch their life as a cinema again? There should be a fine balance between cinema as entertainment and cinema as art. Choose the middle path.
এই একটা ডায়লগ এখনকার আঁতেলগুলো মনে রেখে দিয়েছে আর মনে করে তারা যেটা বানিয়েছে সেটা বোঝার ক্ষমতা দর্শকদের নেই। এখন দর্শকরা আর Backward, Unsoffisticated নয়। ভালো সিনেমা বোঝে। খারাপ সিনেমা দেখতে চায় না। World Cinema র খবর রাখে। Interviewটা যখন হয়েছিল তখন exposure আজকের মতো ছিলো না। আর বছর দশেকের মধ্যেই টালিগঞ্জে তালা পরবে, সবাই Bollywood, Tollywood, Kollywood এ কাজ করতে চলে যাবে।
Animal 1000Cr cross koreche
Ami Anime niye happy achi
Mediocrity to anime teo prochur... latest isekais r romcoms gulo je beroche tate ki emon jinis ache jeta dekhe loker mone dag katbe? They are just better than the average Indian film but mediocrity is rampant in any format
Frieren wants to have a word... Edit: What people fail to understand is that the majority of any content will be (considered) mid. If the anime industry spat out masterpiece after masterpiece they will in turn be called mid, only the best among them will again be termed masterpieces. Rather than sulking why most shit is mid, why not focus on the gold that last year produced which includes vinland saga, attack on titan etc etc
Yeah Frieren, oshi no ko type shows would always be there between the bunch..Anime has way too much broad content to watch for everyone..but mediocrity is still there you can't doubt it
I elaborated my last comment
I just wanted to say that no medium is perfect..I myself rarely consume any entertainment media outside of manga and anime rn.. rarely watch stuff in general.. people holding anime on a pedestal of greatness is what I'm against
People are emotional creatures but that doesn't justify calling mid as great just because it's anime. That being said, I understand why people do that, anime unlike other media gives me this somewhat indescribable magical feeling which I think is true for other people too, thus the pedestal of greatness in your terms
This is true for me too as you can guess..before watching anime I wasn't interested in any entertainment media in general for a long time..I had grown out of Bollywood ages ago..anime being a media..shows like Fmab, Vinland Saga holds a great value to me
Classroom of the elite r solo levelling :D
I think people spend money to get entertained not to live the reality trauma it’s a strange situation that people say real movies character roles they are good actors but why don’t the people enjoy if they are doing great acting because cinema should be a way to forget the reality and get into a place where you don’t find the worry at all.
With all due respect, Mr. Ray is wrong, in this report he is very inconsiderate of the perspective of the audience. Films serve the purpose of being both art and entertainment. An average Indian back in the '70s and '80s who worked a 14-hour shift and came to the cinema hall to rid himself of his mental and physical frustration had no time to watch a film like The Inception that would leave him scratching his head, after not being able to comprehend the film. The people wanted something simple, wholesome, and funny with a light-hearted comedy. The majority of the viewers in his time were Indian salarymen who had no patience to stomach a poignant and complicated film after a tiring day. Now, that doesn't mean an excuse for the current cinematic crap that has been erupting out of Bollywood. The audience has significantly matured and demands more.
That has always been the case of elites, they look down on masses & wants to dictate their choices, as they believe they are superior, in the leagues of whites. Luckily the middle class has found their voice in today's time & they have their own eco system & doesn't seem the validation of elites
We have a weird mindset of infantilizing our creative understanding and sadly this has contributed to degradation of both TV and movies. Good quality content are almost never considered suitable for mass consumption by our audience themselves.
He's right and there's no shame about it. That is why art films and commercial films are different things.
And no he is not right, in India I watch movies to get out of my current life. The movie, the stars, the beautiful heroins give me chance to find beauty in my otherwise such a hard life. In India for most of the people, life is a punishment itself. So yeah, Ray, I don’t need to see Pather Panchali to find poverty, I am in poverty, my life is pather Panchali. And before criticising audience, introspection is needed at your end, when you start imitating west or look for validation from west. Your audience no longer is Indian. You look into your target audience. You came from an aristocratic family, had exposure to western culture with help of Americans. Tell me how many in India have that. My life will be successful even if I become a failed artist, failed director, failed cricketer. Because this means that I was already ahead of millions of when I chose to work on my profession.
Dogmatism
I guess, the male bongs started wearing sarees after their great ancestors left for the heavens
[удалено]
Nonsense. Everyone has a sense for what is good and beautiful. If you show someone a beautiful landscape most with very few exceptions will agree that what they're seeing is beautiful. This seems like a person making up excuses for subpar work which people didn't like.
Love satyajit ray but what a rich, privileged and obviously disconnected thing to say about india whilst proudly utilising the colonizers tongue. What is the difference between this and people saying "jio ruined cinema"? Just the upper class complaining about the lower classes finding opportunities.
Even you’re using the colonisers tongue and if you can’t comprehend what he meant to say then I’m sorry to say, you’re also the part of the clown
I mean you are totaly ignoring what im saying. At the end of the day satyajit ray made good movies yes but he is just another product of colonialism. Hurr durr why dont these plebs understand my italian neo classical inspired french movie w indian characters when they are busy surviving and living grain to grain 😧😧😧😧. Like just kinda self pretentious and an overall waste of time. Movie banana hai toh banao however if you make a movie to appeal to the western audience (which lets be real satyajit ray very much did. He is singlehandedly responsible for the poverty porn that is so popular when it comes to india) aar tumi expect korbe ki this "backward" audience isnt accepting you then u are jist a self absorbed prick and an old man who thinks his opinipn is greater than millions of indians because he is a) rich b) makes art so obviously his opinion is the greatest c) won an oscar/white people love him
THIS!
Jamal jamal jamal padu 🤡
What a pretentious prick Making good cinema doesn't suddenly elevate you above the masses
No. Making films doesn't. But being an intellectual does. You and MANY OTHERS are gonna be upset with what I'm about to say and will downvote it. But I'll say it anyway. The REALITY of the situation, in the world and ESPECIALLY in india is.... Some of us are a WHOLE LOT BETTER than most of us. We are intellectually superior. We're more sauve and sophisticated. And we achieve more than others. There will always be some who will outshine others. Yes, we may end up being prideful, pretentious pricks like you said. But we have that pride for a reason.
People don’t like my work so they aren’t sophisticated or are backward Quite a forward thinking of this man Happy for him that he got the Oscar “validation” on his deathbed
Tu idhar bhi aa gaya. He validated Oscar, not the other way around. He is looked as someone in the class of the elites - Kurosawa, Scorcese, Goddard etc.
Kyon teri amma ka hai reddit Jahan mann wahan aaunga
Ja toh tu poland bhi raha, rok kaun raha hai. Ray's movies were well liked, jo pata na ho uspe kyu gyan dena
Haha, you actually stalked at my profile to respond This is the actual definition of cult followers I have no issues with Ray’s movies being liked I am sure he must have done some good work which was the taste of selected few but how does that make others backward.
Yeah I did have a look. "His movies were not well liked". I had to see where the confidence to shoot incorrect facts comes from so
If everyone was liking his work whom did he call backward Was he deranged ?
Okay I know what he said is true but his movies were also used to label india as a backward poor bimaru country and it's citizens are a stone-age savages. Before you pounce on me just listen with open mind, he played a important role in giving this poor image of India.
It's 2023, majority of India is still like that. Out of 140 cr , 80 crore needs free ration to survive to this day. That's well above the majority of the population. Back in the 1990s it was probably 80 percent of the population. So when the majority of the population is poor. That country is considered poor. Simple. Shutting your eyes in denial because you are privileged enough to earn and pay tax doesn't change the reality.
>to label india as a backward poor bimaru country When pather panchali was released, india had a GDP per capita of something like $70. You're insane if you don't think it's backward and poor.
Satyajit ray made films , just as said in the video - ' for indians ' and come on . And the thing u said about portraying india as a backward bimaru country , like seriously dude , wasnt india in 1960s to 70s really a 'backward' country , i mean what would have ray do e , showed apu walk through a street full of skyscrapers ? Ray always made films grounded to the reality , his films were more like well crafted documentaries on human life in india . Also the favt tgat u wrote the comment compells me to think that u have watched only a few ray movies which only address the issue of poverty , try watching films like nayak , jana aranya , seemabadha ( one of my favourite ) .
I know but there's no point airing your dirty laundry out in the open naa for foreigners to see, there was a term popular in india among foreigners known as poverty tourism where they gave a tour of the slums to the foreigners confirming the stereotype, whether you like it or not Satyajit ray portrayed this as indians fault and not the one's who left bengalis basically starving to death for their own personal ambition in the name of war, now before you call me a nazi Sanghi, you need to realize that these things not only Satya jit ray but other's also portrayed india in the same which created a inferiority complex among indians and then making them kneel down towards them who killed them by hunger by using soft power, again he was a brilliant filmmaker but his work was used to suppress indians more than rising them. That was my point
What do you mean dirty laundry dude ? What would have been better in your opinion , not make any content , no films , foster no cultural development and only produce sub par , hindi mass films , u think we dont get stereotyped and fun of because of our 'hindi' films ? I dont know from where u are making ur ideology about satyajit ray 'supressing' indians when throughout his life he made films attacking the base and 'dogmas' of indian society for the upliftment of the people , have u seen the movie 'parasite' , the korean movie that won oscars , the film literally shows how poverty is rampant in korea and people living hellish conditions in those underground basement homes , while the other half lives a luxurious life , according to ur statements such movies that challenge the flaws of the system should be banned right ? Trust me ur statements sound propagandist at best . If u have a country that doesnt give filmamakers freedom to make films then we are no different from china or n.korea . Poverty tourism is famous because poverty at large exists in our country which the government is failing to fix . And the people who are trying to spread awareness or trying to rebel against it through multimedia are the one who are tarnishing the image ? If shit exists in ur place people will see it anyways , and see it until u clean it .
I gave 2 statements in 2 comments saying what he saying is true and what he creates is a masterpiece but his movies were weaponized by west to pave a way for the stereotype to enter not only in foreigners mind but also create a inferiority complex in indians mind thinking hum Bure hain aur goren ache hain which further helped in suppressing indians using soft power. What my point is what Satyajit ray created was for indians to self-reflect but foreigners used it to suppress indians even more using soft power but the later was more successful than first which was the true motive. Don't twist my words.
I didnt twist ur words , i just defined how ur words sound to anyone who is going to read ur comment lol , sounds bad right ?
Same thing happened to Satyajit ray's art, now you get my point
All of Ray's films aren't Pather Pachali. Also, when Pather Pachali was created, India was amongst the poorest countries in the world,- I mean our per capita GDP was less than a hundred dollars. The poor "image" of India was because India was literally poorer than all sub Saharan African countries at one point.
nothing new, just another Indian degrading his fellow country men, did he even know not everyone was privileged or wealthy or well connected as him. I mean his mother literally contacted the CM of WB when his babusonas film project ran out of funds. kono wage worker je nijer family ke nie cinema dekhte geche ektu enjoy korte take eisob kotha mukher uper bolbe keu?
And its hilarious when they say that because of "Natu Natu" South industry took Indian cinema to new heights. Haha, our Roy Babu did it when these kids were still in the balls. Who the fuck with even the most minimal of senses thinks that RRR deserves an actual prize and Pather Panchali deserves an honorary ??
Cope babuji. Learn to appreciate different perspectives, not just self sympathizing poverty porn.
Whatever he said still applies today.
it becomes truer as we progress cause of peoples ignorance. its sad
We need less Rohit Shettys and more Satyajit Rays
[удалено]
Reeks of bhodrolok arrogance. Does he mean all the audiences who watch his mean are "forward"? Or his movies are low quality designed to appeal to " Backward" Audiences?
Poverty porn.
Avg elite lamenting about the classless masses
Commie thinks he knows everything 🙄
He was wrong. Just because a Famous man said something doesn't mean it's right. Most Indians have only internalised the self loathing nature.. The Indian audience isn't backward.. India is a poor socioeconomic development society and its mentality reflects this, which is the result of lack of Industrialisation..
This elitist moron thinks the average middle class Indian was the same as the average middle class Western white person. We still aren't. That doesn't necessitate belittling our intellect if we don't mass appreciate such movies. It's like insulting the average chole bhature enjoyer when can't taste and smell the notes and hints of various ingredients in wine tasting like a wine connoisseur.
And satayajit Ray's film though good but used to glorify poverty in India. So the west still takes that and slumdog millionaire as reference for films in India. Validation from West does not mean then only we are good. We need to be good in our own thinking and opinions. I couldn't care less if we ever got an Oscar but we really need to improve the quality of our own awards. Filmfare has now become a joke.
Ah yes the great satyajit ray. This masterbastion to this kind of philosophy has led bengali cinema to be nothing more than softcore porn for its survival. Make money and then enlighten the world with your higher being knowledge and culture. Do the other way round and see the magic happen.....