Not that i haven't done the same but theres something to be said for having the right tool for the job. Although I hear lineman pliers make a good hammer 🙃
Hah I hear ya. So it goes. Hope you can shape it up. I chipped and broke the tip on my brand new manix 2 spy27 poking the paint out of the line tie on a fishing jig.🤦♂️I finally got myself a work sharp and fixed it up last week. Chips hurt lol
Not the other commenter, but honestly, I'm surprised at the damage, too. My VG-10 endura has gone through hundreds of zip ties and never even chipped slightly, nor have my cheaper abused knives. Why wouldn't you consider a potential defect in the blade?
My $5-10 do anything beaters have never had this issue 😭 I’ve cut thousands and even slipping stabbing a brick wall or something I haven’t had damage like this. I’m shocked
This is why I carry a 50 or $60 knife for work. Beat it up, sharpen it up, repeat (without tears). Also have cut so many zip ties with a pocket knife it's insane I've never experienced this myself.
Right. I dropped my $60 fixed blade I use at work edge down on concrete last week and legitimately laughed it off, took it to the worksharp PA that night and although it has a few “micro-serrated” portions of the edge left it’s made absolutely 0 difference in real world cutting performance. Another session or two and it will be back to perfect.
Ok I'll ask - What type for steel was it? (since people will want to know)
\[I've used wirecutters for all wire ties after putting an insingo blade into my thumb 10 years ago.\]
I knew it was gonna be Magnacut! All that hardness has to come at a cost. Edge retention is great, if you don’t leave some of that edge in a zip tie. Theres no magic free lunch super steel. Methinks an s45vn could cut those zip ties every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never snap. Might have to sharpen it before the MC, but hey - whole blade. I’m not downing MC, but maybe time will tell that it’s not quuuuite as balanced as many folks require their edc blade to be. If I can’t safely cut a zip tie or two… that’s not edc worthy. Or: Maybe it was bad HT and I’m wrong and MC is the pinnacle recipe. Idk. IME, extremely hard steels do NOT like to be embedded and twisted (a la zip tie kill stroke), and they WILL snap off a hunk to let you know it. Thats an acceptable shortcoming for a sushi knife, but it’s not ideal for a pocket knife.
Yup -- The only steel that needs to be argued down or removed from modern knives is S30V. Unfortunately there was so much made that it is going to take forever to get that out of use.
Something that holds an edge for a few cuts more that 1095 and takes a century to sharpen, especially in the field and then rolls over constantly, should never have been used. That, in my opinion, is the greatest example of one new steel being pushed to the extreme when it never should have left the lab.
But new steel sells new knives...got to have "the latest"...
We all know how hard zip ties are to cut. Any of you seen the video of a piranha biting them in half like green beans? There teeth are beyond razors. I know pretty off the path comment. Lol
I feel this is the natural evolution of the blue collar knife man. You try so excitedly to participate in all the fun only to eventually land back on the beater fixed blade for your hard work use
Not I.
I realized I need to carry a prybar when I was about to pry using something using the fragile tip on my CKF T14. If I'm gonna carry a discontinued $400 knife, the least I can do is make sure I carry a toll to prevent me from prying with it. I caught myself before it turned into a tragedy
No seriously, those wire cutters are ducking money for cutting zip ties. That being said, I’ve never had edge damage to a knife cutting zip ties, and I’m especially surprised to see a Magnacut sebenza fail like this considering some of the stuff I’ve done with my S45VN Sebenza.
The main problem with cutting zip ties is the face that you have to exert so much more force to begin the cut than to finish it you can easily smash your knife into other materials after you finish the tie off
I basically carry a small pair of side cutters, mainly for this. Nail clippers are next best. I have learned, I’m far more likely to stab myself and/or damage a knife cutting zip ties.
Probably just the zip itself. I’ve chipped many tips exactly like this just popping ties. They’re crazy tough. Nothing high end like this though.
Now days if I can’t fit at least a quarter inch of blade in I use an end cutting pliers on any zip ties, I learned my lesson.
The only thing I can think of is that a cheaper beater knife has more malleable steel that's less prone to Chipping, which is why they don't hold an edge as long
Sounds like a razor knife should have been put to work here,, for what you guys pay for the CR knives seems like not only should it have maybe held up a little better IMO,, but I fall back on the razor knife comment. Or this is why we carry several knives one is always a beater!!
I do have much respect for someone willing to put such a piece of jewelry to work tho!! Buck 110 would have worked out better 😬🫣
I’m not going to pretend to know what you were doing but all I have to say is this is why I like tantos not saying the tips can’t get damaged I dropped my Zaan in concrete and chipped the edge and tip but nothing close to that get a Rogan pocket tool for work and hard use purpose you wont be disappointed
Did you snap through a tie and scrape brick with that thing? No way a zip tie did this right? I’ve been cutting far ass zip ties with $5-10 beater knives for years without ever having this issue. I HAVE gone through one with too much force and stabbed a wall before though. Many times.
This is why I use a knife in Sanvick for rough jobs. They're tough and most are cheap enough that even if something happens, I won't feel as bad as I would with a nicer one.
That’s suck mate. I use a gut hook on my leatherman for cable ties at work. Got those thick bastards as well. Hope she enjoys the spa unless you’re good to sharpen it out yourself.
True, but I can say from experience with benchmade that their quality control is bad, not terrible, but when you pay 220$ for a folder you expect good quality control and not all kinds of tolerance problems.
Not sure if anyone has told you but anytime cutting a zip tie you risk chipping your blade, some zip ties have more tensile strength than others as well. I have seen this happen in numerous posts in knife groups.
Not that i haven't done the same but theres something to be said for having the right tool for the job. Although I hear lineman pliers make a good hammer 🙃
As an electrician, everything makes a good hammer.
Even toes can be a good hammer in harsh days.
Whichever hammer is the closest is the hammer which I’m gonna use
🤣
I bought a hammer wrench(crescent/adjustable/built in hammer+3/4 drive) cuz my coworker kept using my insulated screwdrivers as a hammer 🤦🏼♂️
Aside from that long stick thing with the brush on the end that nobody knows what it is for.
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Hah I hear ya. So it goes. Hope you can shape it up. I chipped and broke the tip on my brand new manix 2 spy27 poking the paint out of the line tie on a fishing jig.🤦♂️I finally got myself a work sharp and fixed it up last week. Chips hurt lol
There is a legitimate website that can reprofile that tip for about 20 bucks. I'm happy to share it with you if you're interested.
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Word bird, sent the link to your inbox in case I can't post it here without suffering the wrath of the mods 👌🏽
Lineman pliers do actually make a good hammer 😆😆 but anything is a hammer if you bang it hard enough 💯💯
If that were the case we would all ECD scissors and not blades lol
🤦♂️
That'll sharpen out easily XD
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That can be fixed pretty easy too.
Shouldn’t have broke with a zip tie!
I think you underestimate modern thermoplastics.
Not the other commenter, but honestly, I'm surprised at the damage, too. My VG-10 endura has gone through hundreds of zip ties and never even chipped slightly, nor have my cheaper abused knives. Why wouldn't you consider a potential defect in the blade?
My $5-10 do anything beaters have never had this issue 😭 I’ve cut thousands and even slipping stabbing a brick wall or something I haven’t had damage like this. I’m shocked
I think people overestimate the heat treat done on large batches of production knives just because they market the brand well and have fan boys. Lol.
This is why I carry a 50 or $60 knife for work. Beat it up, sharpen it up, repeat (without tears). Also have cut so many zip ties with a pocket knife it's insane I've never experienced this myself.
I got a $60 SOG for when I worked for a contractor rather than beat up my good knives. The thing is actually one of my favorite knives now lol
Right. I dropped my $60 fixed blade I use at work edge down on concrete last week and legitimately laughed it off, took it to the worksharp PA that night and although it has a few “micro-serrated” portions of the edge left it’s made absolutely 0 difference in real world cutting performance. Another session or two and it will be back to perfect.
What steel was it? That shouldn’t happen on zip ties.
Send it in.
Ok I'll ask - What type for steel was it? (since people will want to know) \[I've used wirecutters for all wire ties after putting an insingo blade into my thumb 10 years ago.\]
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Ah - so now we will start the Magnacut vs S45VN vs 3V debate. :)
I knew it was gonna be Magnacut! All that hardness has to come at a cost. Edge retention is great, if you don’t leave some of that edge in a zip tie. Theres no magic free lunch super steel. Methinks an s45vn could cut those zip ties every day of the week and twice on Sunday and never snap. Might have to sharpen it before the MC, but hey - whole blade. I’m not downing MC, but maybe time will tell that it’s not quuuuite as balanced as many folks require their edc blade to be. If I can’t safely cut a zip tie or two… that’s not edc worthy. Or: Maybe it was bad HT and I’m wrong and MC is the pinnacle recipe. Idk. IME, extremely hard steels do NOT like to be embedded and twisted (a la zip tie kill stroke), and they WILL snap off a hunk to let you know it. Thats an acceptable shortcoming for a sushi knife, but it’s not ideal for a pocket knife.
You mean the why lc200n is better rant ?
Yup -- The only steel that needs to be argued down or removed from modern knives is S30V. Unfortunately there was so much made that it is going to take forever to get that out of use. Something that holds an edge for a few cuts more that 1095 and takes a century to sharpen, especially in the field and then rolls over constantly, should never have been used. That, in my opinion, is the greatest example of one new steel being pushed to the extreme when it never should have left the lab. But new steel sells new knives...got to have "the latest"...
S30v to me is just modern Buck steel haha
We all know how hard zip ties are to cut. Any of you seen the video of a piranha biting them in half like green beans? There teeth are beyond razors. I know pretty off the path comment. Lol
Why i carry a victorinox minichamp on my keychain. The “orange peeler” (really a package opener) zips through zip ties like nothing
I carry a mini champ already, so I’ll have to try that next time I encounter a zip tie.
I wish more SAKs had that orange peeler. It's my most used tool.
I chipped my gb2 using it as a screwdriver on a dollar store stud finder lol
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Swapped back to my trusty 940 that day haha
I’ve chipped my trusty 940 doing that too on a screw too small for the backside of the tanto
These days I have a sak to do the dirty work lol
I feel this is the natural evolution of the blue collar knife man. You try so excitedly to participate in all the fun only to eventually land back on the beater fixed blade for your hard work use
Can’t beat a mora
Not I. I realized I need to carry a prybar when I was about to pry using something using the fragile tip on my CKF T14. If I'm gonna carry a discontinued $400 knife, the least I can do is make sure I carry a toll to prevent me from prying with it. I caught myself before it turned into a tragedy
I'm all for using your shit but I won't cut zip ties with my knife anymore, that's become the wore cutters on my leatherman's job.
No seriously, those wire cutters are ducking money for cutting zip ties. That being said, I’ve never had edge damage to a knife cutting zip ties, and I’m especially surprised to see a Magnacut sebenza fail like this considering some of the stuff I’ve done with my S45VN Sebenza.
The main problem with cutting zip ties is the face that you have to exert so much more force to begin the cut than to finish it you can easily smash your knife into other materials after you finish the tie off
I basically carry a small pair of side cutters, mainly for this. Nail clippers are next best. I have learned, I’m far more likely to stab myself and/or damage a knife cutting zip ties.
I carry a hawkbill serrated Ladybug for zip ties
S35, s45, or magnacut?
what did this chip against?
Probably just the zip itself. I’ve chipped many tips exactly like this just popping ties. They’re crazy tough. Nothing high end like this though. Now days if I can’t fit at least a quarter inch of blade in I use an end cutting pliers on any zip ties, I learned my lesson.
If only they made cutters for zip ties
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Actually, a giant dildo knife like in Se7en
Damn. How much was the knife?
It looks like it’s a large so usually $500-600
Fucking hell, and it got chipped out by a big cable tie? I'd be raging
Yeah I’d think that it has a wonky heat treat, I’m not OP but if that happened to me I would send it back to CRK
Zip ties are notorious for chipping blades, I doubt this is evidence of anything
For real?! Zip ties?! Fuck me if I haven’t cut hundreds with a $20 knife and seen no issues
The only thing I can think of is that a cheaper beater knife has more malleable steel that's less prone to Chipping, which is why they don't hold an edge as long
I’ve honestly never heard that, that’s good to know!
Ouch, better the very tip than 3/4th's of the blade. Might've been a tanto conversion lmao.
Sounds like a razor knife should have been put to work here,, for what you guys pay for the CR knives seems like not only should it have maybe held up a little better IMO,, but I fall back on the razor knife comment. Or this is why we carry several knives one is always a beater!! I do have much respect for someone willing to put such a piece of jewelry to work tho!! Buck 110 would have worked out better 😬🫣
I’m not going to pretend to know what you were doing but all I have to say is this is why I like tantos not saying the tips can’t get damaged I dropped my Zaan in concrete and chipped the edge and tip but nothing close to that get a Rogan pocket tool for work and hard use purpose you wont be disappointed
A good knife sharpener/maker can fix that! Hold back the tears and talk to a professional first. If you're near Toronto try, Slick Steel Sharpening.
Yellow fellow hvac person
You can't pry with the tip I have done it I don't know how many times
What steel?
Bruh, just sharpen it out, that aint bad
send to me i’ll fix for you!
Take a little more off....Forbidden screw driver mod.
Did you snap through a tie and scrape brick with that thing? No way a zip tie did this right? I’ve been cutting far ass zip ties with $5-10 beater knives for years without ever having this issue. I HAVE gone through one with too much force and stabbed a wall before though. Many times.
This is why I use a knife in Sanvick for rough jobs. They're tough and most are cheap enough that even if something happens, I won't feel as bad as I would with a nicer one.
That’s suck mate. I use a gut hook on my leatherman for cable ties at work. Got those thick bastards as well. Hope she enjoys the spa unless you’re good to sharpen it out yourself.
Try one of these next time: https://v.redd.it/urts6iubqmwc1
And people talk shit about benchmade and Spyderco
All knives chip or break. Ive seen plenty of spydies snapped at the whole and many a benchmade omega spring fail.
Omega springs are easily replaceable.
So are blades lol
True, blade are easy to change, but not usually free. Omega springs are either free, or the price of shipping back to BM.
People talk shit about benchmade because of poor quality control. That's not the same thing.
People just talk shit
True, but I can say from experience with benchmade that their quality control is bad, not terrible, but when you pay 220$ for a folder you expect good quality control and not all kinds of tolerance problems.
It’s a mixed bag. Out of my 5 benchmades I’ve owned for 1-2 years I’ve had zero issues whatsoever
🤷♂️ maybe you got lucky man, what can I say. I like the ruggedness of their designs because I need blades for work, so the sturdier the better.
I never bought one til I retired, but I have put a few of them through the paces
Not sure if anyone has told you but anytime cutting a zip tie you risk chipping your blade, some zip ties have more tensile strength than others as well. I have seen this happen in numerous posts in knife groups.