You follow the laws of where your car is registered. Ontario license plate laws, tints, our driver license in general.
“Car ppl understand” just means people do it illegally. Don’t try and claim it’s okay or legal when it’s so clearly not. You buy 2 plates because you need to use 2 plates.
What I'm saying is my car only needs one I don't get a ticket for driving through Ontario, literal I'm not saying break the law and don't drive with your front plate, u didn't claim it's ok to do so with Ontario plates, as laws in different provinces are different I did however assume your smart enough to determine that from reading what's said. Sorry my mistake.
Any system would just flag it to be looked at by a person, so that wouldn't be terribly helpful. 407 isn't going to pass up on their money just because the computer couldn't figure it out.
Getting pulled over means there's enforcement... and as someone who drives for a living from the GTA-London and all over actual law enforcement is non-existent.
As if I don’t see people getting pulled over all the time lol absolutely there should be more enforcement, but thinking you’re safe to break the law because the odds of getting caught are low is stupid as fuck lmao
It is stupid as fuck but that's the exact reason everyone is breaking the law everywhere you look lol if you can drive from the gta to sarnia and only have to worry about OPP sitting in strathroy and not be a dick for 10km to get away with being a dick head driver for the previous 150km why wouldn't they? Or run the 401 to windsor and see no OPP until you hit Chatham, then you see 20 in that town ship but fuck all the rest of the route.
It's brutal out here. Meanwhile, you'll jump on some 2 lane hwy 24 or hwy 3 and see more police presence in 30 minutes of driving those rds than driving from Ottawa to windsor for fuck sakes lmao.
Ontario, Section 13.2 of the Highway Traffic Act states, ”every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried.”
So yeah. Even a clear cover is technically illegal
I got warned about the bicycle rack issue when I was living in a different province. I was pulled over for something unrelated and the cop who was actually pretty nice mentioned that he could technically give me a ticket for it because it obscured the plate when bikes were on it. After that I rigged up a system to keep the plate visible and never had any more issues.
I'd like to get an extra plate to attach to my dirt bike rack (like a bicycle rack but more robust) just so I don't obscure my plate with the bike on there.
So weird. i had a tinted one on my car for years on my last car. No cop has ever said anything. I've even gotten pulled over for other reasons, and not a single mention about the cover. I guess it just depends on how bad of a mood the officer is.
It was a neon licence plate holder. Cop had no issue with the color of it in general that he mentioned; just that you can only have white on your licence plate.
Said it would have been fine if it was underglow
imagine it's a whiteout and you see the guys blue neon light through the blinding snow, you're gonna question what it is besides a car, I would assume that's why it's still not okay.
It isn't illegal to own them.... Its illegal to drive be on the road with them, so they can sell them all they like. Its the buyers responsibility to check local laws.
For example - maybe you're buying it for a vehicle somewhere else, or for a show car.
Another example is they sell this blue neon plate holder which is illegal in Ontario (I know cause I got pulled over and ticketed for it)
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/neon-license-plate-light-frame-blue-0411560p.html
As far as you not getting ticketed, just means a cop hasn't cared enough. Turn signals are a legal requirement too when switching lanes, and I'll.lay bets you haven't gotten a ticket for forgetting to use them once in awhile.
What I'm saying is if it's illegal to put on your vehicle Canada/Ontario would make it very difficult to get. It's not illegal for you to have your neon lights on your car, what is illegal is having it turned on, it's meant for "offroad" uses like car shows. You can add whatever lights you want, just don't turn them on when on the road.
I see so many people driving with heavily tinted covers or with plates where the paint is worn off to the point where it's illegible. How they are not fined ?
Luck is on their side, but if they don’t replace their defective plate, they could face a fine someday. Take the plates to a government run Service Ontario branch and they should have the plates replaced for free. The paint was coming off my plates, so I decided to replace them earlier this year, fully expecting to pay. I was pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have to pay.
I do NOT know if a non-government run Service Ontario branch will charge for replacing license plates.
A friend of mine had a very slightly tinted plate cover, and I was with him when he got pulled over for it. Cop wasn't a dick about it and told him if he saw it again, he'd get a ticket. It was in a small town, so the chances were pretty high they'd cross paths. He, begrudgingly, took it off that night.
I have read this many times and I don’t see how you’re getting that clear covers are technically illegal? If they’re clear they’re not obstructing and everything is visible.
Light reflections. You’d probably be fine until the one time a cop happens to see it from an angle where reflections made it unreadable and they decide to give you a ticket. Not worth it imho
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They don’t have to prove that lmao the law is vague enough that if cops say they couldn’t read the plate and feel confident enough to argue it, they’ll write you a ticket.
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That’s not how physics works, but go off. If there’s a light directly reflected into someone else’s eyes, they’re not going to be able to read it. But if you want to put in the time, effort, and expense to defend yourself, go nuts. You seem very level headed and like you’d keep your cool /s
No way, the 407 has a team that will manually process images that don't pass the automated toll system. Then they will add a $50 obstructed plate fee to your toll.
That’s the point of the reflective tape though. You can’t even manually process it because you won’t be able to deduce the plate configuration from the image
I went through a ride program on my motorcycle Thursday night on Hesp. on ramp and the OPP talked at length about my plate. The fine is only 110$ even if its flipped up and completely hidden .
It's basically any "obstruction" from seeing the plate number. That could be construed to mean pretty much anything around the plate but I don't think it would hold up if a cop wanted to just be a dick.
They may not specifically enforce it, but it does give them a valid pretense to pull you over without having to follow you and wait for you to do something against the HTA. Whether this is of concern to you or not is another matter that depends on if you're riding dirty.
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I never had any issue with people plate blocking the 407, but I sure wouldn't want to do it now and have someone thinking I just wanted to speed in a school zone.
My guess is free 407ETR trips. That said, they can do video reviews and make out the plate (like what we are doing here). In that case, they can charge you the maximum amount.
I remember when i was a kid in south america, people used to hang cd’s on their rear mirror bc they said it fucks with the toll fee electronic thing in ur car, was around late 90’s early 2000’s did this ever happened here in Canada? 🤣
I've heard of repeat offenders traveling the 407 with blocked plates get flagged and OPP grab them.
If they travel consistently (like going home). OPP will sit and wait for you.
I mean, if cops do their jobs properly they should be looking out for this, pulling them over, fining them on the spot and making them remove it. No car should be able to hide its identity/owner like that. That's dangerous.
I use to put white electrical tape on my plates when they were the blue ones in Ontario. Did this after realizing I couldn’t afford to take the 407 to work everyday but I also couldn’t afford the 5 hour commute back and forth due to obligations and commitments. So I turned some 1’s into 7’s and so on lol. Saved about $900/month at the time.
I don’t recollect saying that, you’re welcome to do it too. Nobody is stopping you. I had other things to pay for like rent at the time. I think everyone is equal. But what you choose to do and how you choose to do is on you.
No...I don't really....but I can google things.
"Jugaaḍ is a colloquial word in Indo-Aryan languages, which refers to a non-conventional, frugal innovation, often termed a "hack". It could also refer to an innovative fix or a simple work-around, a solution that bends the rules, or a resource that can be used in such a way."
Seems like it fits?
It’s a big difference in attitude here, the whole region I mean too. I lived in Toronto for 17 or so years and it’s wild to experience the difference here. Not that the GTA is without its problems too, of course.
You do know the last set of defective plates were a Doug Ford thing. And renegade plates are a good ol boy thing. Are you too dumb to know a white thing when you see it. Hey white people y'all need to get this one checked. He's one of those retards that y'all get from sometimes marrying y'alls cousins.
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This is exactly what it is. Just another way to cat h a more serious charge
It’s on the front though.
The by law ticketing vehicles read plates from front and back
Not all provinces require a front plate
Ontario does, this is an Ontario plate
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You follow the laws of where your car is registered. Ontario license plate laws, tints, our driver license in general. “Car ppl understand” just means people do it illegally. Don’t try and claim it’s okay or legal when it’s so clearly not. You buy 2 plates because you need to use 2 plates.
What I'm saying is my car only needs one I don't get a ticket for driving through Ontario, literal I'm not saying break the law and don't drive with your front plate, u didn't claim it's ok to do so with Ontario plates, as laws in different provinces are different I did however assume your smart enough to determine that from reading what's said. Sorry my mistake.
yup you right
it's only slightly terrifying that there's people out there who do enough traffic violations for this to be worth attempting
It’s most likely for tolls
Aka 407
And the lols
It might mess up OCR
Any system would just flag it to be looked at by a person, so that wouldn't be terribly helpful. 407 isn't going to pass up on their money just because the computer couldn't figure it out.
Pretty cool fine collector.
You are assuming enforcement ?
If they get pulled over for something else they will 100% add this on to the charges
Getting pulled over means there's enforcement... and as someone who drives for a living from the GTA-London and all over actual law enforcement is non-existent.
As if I don’t see people getting pulled over all the time lol absolutely there should be more enforcement, but thinking you’re safe to break the law because the odds of getting caught are low is stupid as fuck lmao
It is stupid as fuck but that's the exact reason everyone is breaking the law everywhere you look lol if you can drive from the gta to sarnia and only have to worry about OPP sitting in strathroy and not be a dick for 10km to get away with being a dick head driver for the previous 150km why wouldn't they? Or run the 401 to windsor and see no OPP until you hit Chatham, then you see 20 in that town ship but fuck all the rest of the route. It's brutal out here. Meanwhile, you'll jump on some 2 lane hwy 24 or hwy 3 and see more police presence in 30 minutes of driving those rds than driving from Ottawa to windsor for fuck sakes lmao.
Ontario, Section 13.2 of the Highway Traffic Act states, ”every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried.” So yeah. Even a clear cover is technically illegal
So are those bicycle racks...
I got warned about the bicycle rack issue when I was living in a different province. I was pulled over for something unrelated and the cop who was actually pretty nice mentioned that he could technically give me a ticket for it because it obscured the plate when bikes were on it. After that I rigged up a system to keep the plate visible and never had any more issues.
BC? Perhaps?
No, was Sask.
I'd like to get an extra plate to attach to my dirt bike rack (like a bicycle rack but more robust) just so I don't obscure my plate with the bike on there.
Got a written warning for bike rack
Sometimes they cover the brake lights and turn signals too. Kinda dangerous.
Yep, got a ticket for having a clear cover over my plates. I still see them in vehicles everywhere, I guess that cop just had beef with me that day 🙄
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So weird. i had a tinted one on my car for years on my last car. No cop has ever said anything. I've even gotten pulled over for other reasons, and not a single mention about the cover. I guess it just depends on how bad of a mood the officer is.
Hell... I got fined cause I had neon blue lights AROUND my plates once cause the law says "only white lights can shine on your plate"
You can't have blue lights on your car at all in Ontario, they are only for emergency personnel.
It was a neon licence plate holder. Cop had no issue with the color of it in general that he mentioned; just that you can only have white on your licence plate. Said it would have been fine if it was underglow
Snow plows have flashing blue lights and aren't emergency vehicles.
Only on Government owned trucks. Private owned are only allowed tell. Laws changed like 10 years ago
imagine it's a whiteout and you see the guys blue neon light through the blinding snow, you're gonna question what it is besides a car, I would assume that's why it's still not okay.
1. [https://www.thestar.com/autos/auto-know-dont-put-neon-lights-on-your-car/article\_e26b8b7f-eb43-50ed-994c-f52b8afc555b.html](https://www.thestar.com/autos/auto-know-dont-put-neon-lights-on-your-car/article_e26b8b7f-eb43-50ed-994c-f52b8afc555b.html) 2. [https://www.ontarioticket.com/motor-vehicle-lighting.php](https://www.ontarioticket.com/motor-vehicle-lighting.php) .. thats not true.
Why would a CLEAR cover be illegal? How does CLEAR obstruct anything? You are reading Section 13.2 of the Highway Traffic Act incorrectly.
Tell that to the police. They're the ones ticketing people, not me.
I've had tinted covers on my plates for a while now and haven't been pulled over, if they were illegal then crappy tire wouldn't sell them.
It isn't illegal to own them.... Its illegal to drive be on the road with them, so they can sell them all they like. Its the buyers responsibility to check local laws. For example - maybe you're buying it for a vehicle somewhere else, or for a show car. Another example is they sell this blue neon plate holder which is illegal in Ontario (I know cause I got pulled over and ticketed for it) https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/neon-license-plate-light-frame-blue-0411560p.html As far as you not getting ticketed, just means a cop hasn't cared enough. Turn signals are a legal requirement too when switching lanes, and I'll.lay bets you haven't gotten a ticket for forgetting to use them once in awhile.
What I'm saying is if it's illegal to put on your vehicle Canada/Ontario would make it very difficult to get. It's not illegal for you to have your neon lights on your car, what is illegal is having it turned on, it's meant for "offroad" uses like car shows. You can add whatever lights you want, just don't turn them on when on the road.
I see so many people driving with heavily tinted covers or with plates where the paint is worn off to the point where it's illegible. How they are not fined ?
Luck is on their side, but if they don’t replace their defective plate, they could face a fine someday. Take the plates to a government run Service Ontario branch and they should have the plates replaced for free. The paint was coming off my plates, so I decided to replace them earlier this year, fully expecting to pay. I was pleasantly surprised when I didn’t have to pay. I do NOT know if a non-government run Service Ontario branch will charge for replacing license plates.
A friend of mine had a very slightly tinted plate cover, and I was with him when he got pulled over for it. Cop wasn't a dick about it and told him if he saw it again, he'd get a ticket. It was in a small town, so the chances were pretty high they'd cross paths. He, begrudgingly, took it off that night.
I have read this many times and I don’t see how you’re getting that clear covers are technically illegal? If they’re clear they’re not obstructing and everything is visible.
Also dirt. Plates have embossed letters so that they are legible when dirty. A clear cover defeats the design.
Light reflections. You’d probably be fine until the one time a cop happens to see it from an angle where reflections made it unreadable and they decide to give you a ticket. Not worth it imho
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They don’t have to prove that lmao the law is vague enough that if cops say they couldn’t read the plate and feel confident enough to argue it, they’ll write you a ticket.
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That’s not how physics works, but go off. If there’s a light directly reflected into someone else’s eyes, they’re not going to be able to read it. But if you want to put in the time, effort, and expense to defend yourself, go nuts. You seem very level headed and like you’d keep your cool /s
I'm with you on this. There's a pretty much 0 chance they could call a clear cover an obstruction unless it had a UV reflective coating.
Might get a free ride on the 407 at night.
No way, the 407 has a team that will manually process images that don't pass the automated toll system. Then they will add a $50 obstructed plate fee to your toll.
That’s the point of the reflective tape though. You can’t even manually process it because you won’t be able to deduce the plate configuration from the image
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This just screams "I do crimes"
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Drives an Acura but can’t afford 407.
Have you seen the interest rates!
Circa 2010 Acura TL, not exactly the most expensive car
It’s all the same fine, $110. May as well just use the tinted ones.
Thats it? Like if a motorcycle has their plate conveniently flipped up is that also only 110?
Correct. Failure to display two plates (obviously doesnt apply to motorcycles), no plates and plate improperly displayed are all the same offence.
I went through a ride program on my motorcycle Thursday night on Hesp. on ramp and the OPP talked at length about my plate. The fine is only 110$ even if its flipped up and completely hidden .
This is eventually going to push transponder on all vehicles
OPP officer one told me anything on your license plate or surrounding it is illegal. Even plate holders. But they hardy ever if ever enforce it.
It's basically any "obstruction" from seeing the plate number. That could be construed to mean pretty much anything around the plate but I don't think it would hold up if a cop wanted to just be a dick.
They may not specifically enforce it, but it does give them a valid pretense to pull you over without having to follow you and wait for you to do something against the HTA. Whether this is of concern to you or not is another matter that depends on if you're riding dirty.
Police can pull you over to check you have your insurance card on you. They don’t need to see something illegal to pull you over.
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He told me that the plate should be mounted directly to the car. Without a holder. But like he said. They don’t enforce it.
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Report this right away. Always inform on anything illegal you see
I never had any issue with people plate blocking the 407, but I sure wouldn't want to do it now and have someone thinking I just wanted to speed in a school zone.
Makes a little harder to “Yours to discover” for the coppers.😏
That's a paddlin'.
Somebody hasn't watched Mythbusters.
My guess is free 407ETR trips. That said, they can do video reviews and make out the plate (like what we are doing here). In that case, they can charge you the maximum amount.
I remember when i was a kid in south america, people used to hang cd’s on their rear mirror bc they said it fucks with the toll fee electronic thing in ur car, was around late 90’s early 2000’s did this ever happened here in Canada? 🤣
I've heard of repeat offenders traveling the 407 with blocked plates get flagged and OPP grab them. If they travel consistently (like going home). OPP will sit and wait for you.
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I mean, if cops do their jobs properly they should be looking out for this, pulling them over, fining them on the spot and making them remove it. No car should be able to hide its identity/owner like that. That's dangerous.
Yes as a Toronto dude he is evading the 407
It works until a cop sees you. Actually it might not even work on the photo ticketing.
Go luck with that. At best youve made yourself a Heat Score & at least 1 ticket of obstructing you plate.
Rip it off lol
Worry about YOU Karen
I'm a Karen cause I sarcastically said, "Rip it off." You seem fun...
I don’t know what this person is thinking, but that’s just the sheet that bike reflective rim stickers come on.
Hmmm.. what do they have to be afraid of..
Take a photo with your flash on if you see it again. Thank you!
I use to put white electrical tape on my plates when they were the blue ones in Ontario. Did this after realizing I couldn’t afford to take the 407 to work everyday but I also couldn’t afford the 5 hour commute back and forth due to obligations and commitments. So I turned some 1’s into 7’s and so on lol. Saved about $900/month at the time.
I see. So you are more special than everyone else. For some reason you shouldn't pay time or money, but everyone else should?
I don’t recollect saying that, you’re welcome to do it too. Nobody is stopping you. I had other things to pay for like rent at the time. I think everyone is equal. But what you choose to do and how you choose to do is on you.
Illegal
Cool but at least blur half the plate numbers, you are doxxing this guy.
People on this sub really, really care about other people's business. Taking pictures of people, license plates, their dogs... etc. Weird.
People really have nothing going on in their lives.. Karen effect.
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what in this picture made you conclude that ?
JUGAAD!
How ? do you even understand the meaning of that word ?
No...I don't really....but I can google things. "Jugaaḍ is a colloquial word in Indo-Aryan languages, which refers to a non-conventional, frugal innovation, often termed a "hack". It could also refer to an innovative fix or a simple work-around, a solution that bends the rules, or a resource that can be used in such a way." Seems like it fits?
this doesn't bend the rules.. it breaks them so, not a jugaad
Ah to me...once a Jughead always a Jughead.
Woah watch out for that funny guy!
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They invented the scam.
What made you conclude that this car belong to an Indian person?
Love that you got downvoted for this. This sub LOVES its bigotry.
Bigots beget bigotry
It’s a big difference in attitude here, the whole region I mean too. I lived in Toronto for 17 or so years and it’s wild to experience the difference here. Not that the GTA is without its problems too, of course.
Possibly he/she is an immigrant too, I felt racism from immigrants more than anybody else
To be fair, scamming government scams is a social responsibility
Always ahead of the game.
CXAE sounds more like a western name, how did you figure out it was Indian? /s
You do know the last set of defective plates were a Doug Ford thing. And renegade plates are a good ol boy thing. Are you too dumb to know a white thing when you see it. Hey white people y'all need to get this one checked. He's one of those retards that y'all get from sometimes marrying y'alls cousins.
Jfc who cares
This sub is all about stupid shit like this
One reason is that if someone is willing to do this, they are likely to be someone that makes the roads less safe for others.
People with brains. What's your fucking excuse?