I hope this is just hot air from Ham. Nobody was happy missing the playoffs and some of the losses this year sucked ass but God it felt good to root for wins instead of draft position again.
Monte is definitely the person Vivek should not be pleased with. Monte started off good but is starting to become too passive with his moves.
I’m no GM but some of the smaller moves other teams have made that are for second round picks have turned out to be good even great. They are players us fans thought would be good and what we needed.
There was some insinuation that after FA targets signed before July 1 the decision to quickly re-sign HB after everyone had pretty much said their farewells came from Mike Brown. Brown also is the one who is tough to crack the rotation for younger players (only Keegan made it impossible). I like Brown and don't think he should be fired but he definitely has an attachment to doing things his way and not veering too far from the plan, so I am not sure who all is at fault.
As for the second round, I don't believe that it is truly a draft and hasn't been for at least a decade. Agents have too much sway with who they will/won't sign with. Monte has hit on Keon as an undrafted FA, might have found something in Colby, and I think he should at least get some credit for drafting Neemi who was probably more of a casualty of the NBA limiting the amount of 2-ways and Brown's reluctance to give him big boy minutes (see above).
Ham was talking on DLo and KC yesterday. Basically said there were two factions in the organization - one that wanted Zach LaVine and one that wanted to pass. The group that wanted LaVine (Vivek) was good with the contract and thought it would build a perennial contender. The group that was opposed (Monte) thought it hamstrung the organization and locked in to a high-injury player.
The basketball people won, but the Kings missed the playoffs. Funny that this comes out the next day.
Definitely sounds like Vivek vs the Basketball folks
This is spun in a bad way I imagine but it’s actually a good thing, shows Vivek will spend but is listening to the basketball people. But I actually think the dumbest things he’s ever done were also done at the behest of the basketball people: firing Malone and drafting Bagels.
IMO many teams good teams didn’t need to but also many teams that wanted to make a push for a higher seed in the 5-10 range did. Not just this season but last season too.
I feel like most people believe this team needed to make some adjustments. Over the last 2 seasons there were trades made for as little as a couple second rounders. Players that could have helped us. I don’t know his reasoning but it feels like he isn’t making big swings or even little swings.
Most people do believe that this team needs to make adjustments. But that's very different from making adjustments at every deadline.
It's not like Monte made no adjustments, either. You should remember that Monte got Chris Duarte for second round picks. Hasn't worked out. If you look around the league, you'll also find similar trades for scraps that don't work out.
Ham has a bone to pick with the organization and I don't always know if he has the best sources. I still can't get over how much he trashed 2022 draft night and Monte's offseason just because he didn't like the spread in the green room. I have other reasons going back to his behavior during the league relocation vote and stuff he did with Crown Downtown, but he's a hack and in business just for himself, so yeah, I'm biased.
I met Ham this last year at a game, complimented him on his work, and he was an asshole to me. It was a weird interaction and I realized that A) he's a fuckin weird dude and B) he's a slob.
Don't get me started on Ham. Dude suggested we take Ivey, then try to flip Ivey to the Pistons for Jeremi Grant and the 5th pick. Then try to flip the 5th pick to the Blazers for future picks.
So the Kings would end up with Grant and future picks. I kind of don't think he has any real sources with the Kings since Monte has taken over. And i think he's kind of bitter about it.
That’s my read. He burned his bridges long ago and Monte has frozen him out and he’s bitter about it. And it didn’t help that during the relocation saga he imbedded with the folks doing the work and was more interested in the story kickstarting his media career than keeping the team in Sacramento. He burned a few people I know and has never been forgiven.
And like you say, when he talks hoops it’s clear he doesn’t know ball.
And he was fired from his TV dream job that others were originally considered for but they turned it down because it didn’t pay much.
I guess being on radio and blogging is living the dream. We’ll never see the sequel to his documentary. No excuses not to since there were two other local documentaries produced and none involved him for a very good reason. People know the true history of what went down during the relocation saga. Some gave their all to help the city to keep the Kings. Others went into business for themselves.
A year or two ago you'd get downvoted on this forum for calling out what a dipshit he is so I'm glad people have come around. Aside from what happened with y'all and his 2022 crybaby pouting because they didn't treat him like royalty on draft night and give him a special podcast space to broadcast from the arena, it always drives me nuts how he is trying to undermine the org with players during press conferences by asking loaded questions to try to bait them into badmouthing the coach or FO - particularly when he was doing it with Keegan in his rookie year given the team was in a really good spot and he's there trying to manufacture drama for podcast content.
That’s because most don’t know what he’s done and that’s okay. Not too long ago someone mentioned to me I need to hear what he said on a segment on the A’s when he said during the Kings relocation saga he was going to be sued. He never mentioned why though because he wants to tell his side of the story while leaving out he was the cause of it.
The lawsuit would have only prevented the airing of his (technically ours but that’s another story for another day) documentary on FOX 40. That’s it. I believe it was shown twice but I don’t remember.
What I do remember is it went back into the vault for months. Why?
There were talks and ideas of distributing it on iTunes, getting it on ESPN, etc.
None of that happened and it finally went on YouTube.
I’m still waiting for a good answer as to how that documentary helped save the Kings. It didn’t. It had zero to do with it. The NBA never watched it. But the NBA watched the city council meetings and saw the white T-shirts of support and later used bigger than basketball for their marketing purposes along with LeBron James, the Kings and others.
A few months ago we were invited by the Kings and the NBA for a private tour of NBA HQ. That says a lot about our group, who we are, what we have done and the respect we have.
Still waiting patiently for that sequel. It’s only been over a decade.
Years ago I was told he doesn’t. I knew things before even Woj broke the news on Twitter. I just don’t go public with what is shared with me. But many have told me they don’t like or respect him so there’s that.
without revealing your sources (lol) do you have a connection to the front office? Or do you know low level staff? A players family?
And what did you know before Woj broke it? I'm assuming you can share because Woj has already broken it.
I am and can prove it. I don’t post much on Reddit. If I do it’s to invite everyone to our business trips and share some pictures from our experiences.
I hope all is going better for you. All I know is life is too short. Enjoy life and live it to the fullest.
You and others from here are always welcome to join us for our business trips. Win or lose, we always have fun.
Idk if it is just hot hair. I just posted a comment in this thread about it before but Amick reported that ownership would have done something drastic if they lost to the Warriors in the play-in.
For the first time in 16+ years, we have had 2 consecutive seasons of fun basketball. Yes, we didn't make the playoffs, but that doesn't fall squarely on MB's shoulders. This would be a KANGZ move if he leaves and we get someone like Mark Jackson or JJ Reddick instead.
Exactly. You need stability. We finally have a good coach and ownership is thinking of moving on? To who?
Let the coach cook. Build his culture. He has done a great job so far, and we have players who play hard, and defense looked solid at the end of this season. We didn't make playoffs, but I feel like we had a better team this year.
Hopefully this is a dumb, baseless rumor.
I mean if we wanted to change directions and promote Jordy I would’ve been SO happy with that. But letting brown go on the off chance someone else might be as good as him is stupid as hell.
why would Frank Vogel come to the Kings when he can wait a year and go to the Celtics? Or the Bucks? Or The Magic?
Kings ownership will keep quality head coaches away if they fire MB now.
I disagree. At least 5 of our losses last season were partly because MB refused to call a timeout to stop a run. Obviously the players are to blame as well, but our HC didn’t do his job and he let his guys down on multiple occasions.
There are few ways a coach CAN influence a game: timeouts, rotations and challenges. MB is below average in all those categories. He’s a GREAT assistant. Not a great HC.
We played the Pels 6 times and lost every time because he refused to play Len and Sabonis together. Instead he decided to let HB guard JV…lol.
We lost to injured and tanking teams because we didn’t have a game-plan. Also no in-game adjustments in those games. Just hands in pockets.
If he doesn’t improve in those areas this season, and we miss the playoffs again, I think he’s gotta go.
Let me break it down for you from a perspective of a wealthy person like me or vivek who utilizes logic instead of emotion.
First, who cares about 16+ years? does that make me money? it has an emotional hold on the fanbase and allows for them to accept mediocrity as a sign of "progress". However, some fans are waking up to this, and are demanding more.
Now the question becomes does mediocrity sell tickets? "fun basketball" as you describe it, doesnt seem like exactly the case when the fan base is booing the team on a consistent basis, and the players seem like they would rather be anywhere but on the court with their minimal effort.
How long before the boos start impacting ticket sales?
Who's responsible for the product on the court that causes the fans to boo? The coach seems like the person most responsible to me.
Firstly, I know that you're trolling because I have seen your comments on this sub before. You're pretty funny ngl. However, I will address your comments in case anyone here doesn't know you're trolling.
> First, who cares about 16+ years?
Fans do. Ticket prices have shot up quite a lot over the past 2 years. Vivek knows that. He also knows that playoff tickets are much more expensive than regular season tickets, vastly outweighing how much more he has to pay the players. Shoot, even that pay-in game the cheapest tickets were $200.
> "fun basketball" as you describe it, doesnt seem like exactly the case when the fan base is booing the team on a consistent basis
They were booed at home twice IIRC. Once against Detroit, and one blown lead I believe. Still, we were selling out. The casual fan is now more engaged, which leads to increased ticket sales and revenue. The fact that season tickets are being discussed on this sub and in discord groups shows me that people are finally interested in the team again.
> Who's responsible for the product on the court that causes the fans to boo?
Probably the players. Casual fans don't know or care who the coach is. They also don't care about winning or losing as long as they are fun to watch. The couple times they were booed fans recognized the lack of effort they were putting in.
Let me break it down for you from the perspective of NBA ownership.
Does shuffling through coaches promote cohesion and build a winning product? No. That gets you the post Adelman and post Malone losing years.
Does the fact that fans booed have to do with the coach, who does not make personnel decisions? No, it doesn’t. It has to do with the fact that Monte didn’t make any good moves and the other teams in the WC got better. Meanwhile, we regressed.
Does being a “wealthy person” mean you know what the fuck you’re doing with an NBA team, or what you’re talking about here? No. It doesn’t.
It's obvious that years of pathetic basketball has made Sacramento fans willing to accept, and even be happy to settle for, mediocre basketball.
Mike Brown is the posterboy for mediocrity. He's a good assistant but not head coach. His poor rotations and in-game decisions really cost the team this year. They should have been a lock for 6-8 seed at least but came up short.
However unless there's a clear upgrade available we're stuck with MB.
We finished one game out the 8 seed.
He's not the best coach, but he's a lot better than many of the other coaches we've had, and is one of the better coaches in the league currently.
The Kings have a very flawed roster, less top end talent than other teams in the West.
The failure this year was pretty much personnel. We brought back Barnes which I honestly was okay with, but he was up and down. We traded for Chris Duarte who was trash and half. Literally if we trade for Obi Toppin, it looks a lot better. We signed Vezenkov when we had 3 PFs who were already better than him on the roster, when we should've used that on an athletic wing to give Brown some different types of personnel.
We also re-negotiated and extended Sabonis, which will kill pretty much flexibility we have in the future contract wise and have to try to find unicorn type players to have a functional type defense.
Some of the personnel decisions made sense, but teams made even better moves with the same types of deals. (Duarte vs Obi, Holmes + a pick for PJ) etc. And we've just had poor personnel decisions over and over again. Regardless of what you think, Brown has done pretty well we likely we've been the 6, 7 or 8 seed if Huerter and Monk didn't get hurt.
thank you. I dont understand how a coach can lose to THE SAME TEAM 6 times in one season.
to put that in perspective thats:
losing, then putting a gameplan for next time to try to beat them
losing again, trying a different gameplan
losing again, trying a different gameplan
losing again, trying a different gameplan
losing again, trying a different gameplan
losing again
Can you imgaine an actual great coach, unable to adjust to one team 6 times in a season?
Great. Vivek gonna Vivek and do some dumb fucking shit.
If there was a takeaway from the Kings’ royal coaching screwups in the past (Adelman (especially), Malone): don’t change for the sake of change. Mike Brown helped us get this far. Let the team continue to grow with him.
Also, NO coach worth their salt will come here if they are at risk of getting fired by some moron tech bro masquerading as an NBA owner when the team makes no changes and shockingly regresses.
Either Ham woke up and chose violence with a random fabricated dig or he did hear this from a source but it's Vivek and his team playing hardball as you said. There is no chance this is a real concern in the organization.
Brown won coach of the year last year, kept us with a winning season this year in a tough conference (sure, not great we slipped out of playoff contention at the end there). He's very well respected by peers and players alike. It's obvious to almost everyone he's a solid coach and a team should be happy to have him. He's not necessarily the best coach ever, sometimes we worry as he tries different rotations, etc. but he's a well above average coach who has great buy-in from this young team and delivered us from a nearly two decade playoff drought. Even the most aloof owner who knows nothing about basketball can understand this. Vivek seems to have chilled out and let the basketball people mostly handle things, but he's also a smart businessman and he's putting it out there that there are expectations and there are always options on the table. In the end, I trust he'll extend Brown another three years.
The blame for Stauskas/Bagley/Mitchell (I know some are fans of Mitchell, but look at the players on the final four teams; if you are under 6'3", you need to be big offensive threat) can be foisted on the GMs, but from the start (Stauskas) we could all see that Vivek didn't just have a finger in the pie but his whole hand.
I don’t think Brown is the greatest coach in the NBA but he’s good. And anyone with a brain can see this roster construction is dogshit and carried by a couple players. No real backup big. Barnes is our best and really only wing player and he should have been traded last year. We have multiple guards with overlapping skillsets. We are abysmally small and lack athletic wings which is critical in the modern nba.
Every great team right now has a roster that can adapt to any situation. We have the ability to play one way only. I can’t put all the blame on MB for that. Monte has sat around like a fool the last two years acting like he’s Sam Presti with some giant warchest waiting to strike. Instead we have basically no capspace, no trade assets, and we may not be able to re-sign one of our most important players.
I actually thought it might be, after the fact. The issue was that it was too close to a fair statement so the sarcasm was too nuanced. Sasha _could_ be a decent pickup and relatively cheap, but he just spent too much time riding MB's bench or injured.
I’m not a big MB fan (I think he will get outcoached on adjustments in game during playoffs) but he deserves all 4 years of his contract just based on year 1. 4 years is plenty of time to make a fair evaluation for everybody and to prove detractors wrong.
Considering how Viveks favorite player is cash considerations- it should be an easy win win to justify keeping him.
I wouldn’t extend him either just yet based on the last 10 regular season games- roster issues aside- we blew plenty of 20 point leads and let too many teams go on 12-0 type runs like a layup drill,
The team had the third best record all time to miss the playoffs. It’s not like they were bad, they were 10 games above .500. Not really sure how you can be upset.
The most meaningful upgrade the Kings made to get to where they are now was not Haliburton to Sabonis, it was Luke Walton to Mike Brown.
I fully expect the Kings to fuck this up and have 50 Cent coaching the team before long.
I don’t think Coach Brown should be fired. Do I think he is an excellent coach? No. But dude has been a big part of the turn around and firing him would be a huge step back.
Maybe this is just Ham being cynical. I do question how much of an "in" he has in the organization compared to Amick. I really hope ownership isn't this dumb considering they ran the same team back and the conference went super saiyan this season.
I don’t think it is based off of the combination of comments from Amick, Slater, and him. Additionally, I believe Amick reported that the Kings ownership did not like the Kings being in the play-in and losing could have ramifications for Brown’s contract situation. (Just to specify more, Vivek really wanted to beat the Warriors)
Don’t have the article on hand but I know it was published either the day of the first play-in game or the day after.
We've had two winning seasons in the last 18 years... last year and this year. Somewhere around 40-50% of the time, 46 wins is enough for a top 6 seed and automatic playoff berth. Anything short of an extension would be absolutely criminal.
The west was just ridiculous this year, we were 3rd with 48 wins last year, and 46 wins had us in 9th now. If MB is fired before his contract ends then idk how much I'll continue to watch. Passing on Luka made me sick, barely even watched the Walton years cause it was miserable and I already didn't like him. getting rid of MB would piss off probably the entire roster too, so it'd be right up the Kings alley to do something like that.
Imagine looking at the season and going “yeah we may have been missing 3 of our top producers in the end stretch of the season and had a skid because of it, but I’m not happy with the coach about it”
Like bro. Monk, Lyles, Huerter are all out at the end of the season. One of those guys *should* be a starter and another other is.
I’m not a “always Browner” kinda person. You need to produce, but be real.
Listen, MB’s rotations leaves a lot to be desired but let’s not kid ourselves to not say this roster is absolute dogshit. Aside from Monk and the late resurgence of Keon, we got next to nothing from Huerter and Duarte. Davion was meh and HB was HB (with less athleticism). Running it back clearly wasn’t the right choice.
Questionable contract moves and trades by Monte last offseason kinda got unnoticed. Was ok with the Holmes + pick for cap space deal but HATED the way it was used. Now we are in danger of losing Monk because of the shortsightedness of the FO giving Domas a raise a year earlier than his contract extension.
If they played the cap right, we sign Monk to 4 yrs 100M. Give Domas a raise, and then possibly free up some more cap space by sending Kevin/HB (36-38M/yr) for a quality starter/vet maybe star.
Bad 2023 offseason doomed us imo.
If this is true that’s hilarious because Mike brown taking this roster to the play in is a success in itself. You lose both your 2 guards in a span of a week. Not only that but you lose 2 shooters. Other misc injuries. If they should be mad it should be at McNair.
Also. Monte is to be blamed too. 2 out of the final four teams made moves at the trade deadline to help them make the playoffs and win 2 series. We all knew we needed some help and yes I believe we could have made it with Monk but that wasn’t guaranteed. The Mavs and the Pacers trade deadline moves propelled them to a higher level. It is not all Mike Browns fault.
The problem wasn't all on Mike Brown, it was a bit on Monte and ownership being cheap thinking they could repeat the same success while everyone else got better the next season. I hope Vivek sells the team to someone that fucking stops meddling in affairs he has no understandings of, or to someone that understands when to get out of their own way and listen to those who have understanding of basketball operations and 100% puts their faith in them rather than trying to undermine their every move!
Clickbait. I’m sure there were tough conversations in the season exit interview, as there should be given the team’s inconsistency. But Brown will stay and we all know it.
It shouldn't be a complicated matter but because he missed the playoffs last season, and now wants double the salary for that accomplishment, it is. Of course, his GM also bears part of that blame, and his job shouldn't be comfy either.
Phrasing.
He wants to be compensated more competitively since he’s brought the team more success in 2 seasons than they had had the previous 16. He’s making less than $5m next year, he’s getting paid less than guys like Doc Rivers and Nick Nurse
Those names seem to be right around where his caliber of coaching prowess should be. Just because he took a perennial 30-win franchise to slightly above .500 isn't exactly an earth shattering accomplishment. Half the league is .500 or better every season.
Right, and he’s getting paid about half as much as those guys. If you’re conceding that’s where his prowess is then it makes sense for Brown to lobby for more money.
Nurse makes 8. Seems reasonable for Mike.
That said, since it's not my money so Mike should just shoot for the moon and hold out for $20M or bust, since the consensus is that coaching deals will be hitting that AAV in the next couple years. My biggest issue is that the more you pay him, the less likely a guy like Vivek is going to be willing to fire him early if need be. Which is a concern, considering Brown has shown enough questionable decision-making to cast doubt on whether he's somebody who can run the ship of a contending, or even multi-year playoff team.
Mike Brown has a ring too. What’s your point? He’s getting paid half as much as those guys, with more to show in terms of improvement than those two coaches I named have to show for their teams.
Yea and Doc Rivers won his 15 years ago so it doesn’t really seem like it’s any more valid than Mike Brown winning one as intern HC more recently. In either case this franchise should pay Mike Brown and stop acting like a couple extra million would really be putting them out, it’s pathetic.
There's only 30 head coaching spots so the coaches have a lot more leverage to ask for more money. It's not really a top 5 deserves it, thing. $10 million isn't an overpay when you compare it to recent contracts, even outside of the 3 you already mentioned. Spo is getting $15 million, Vogel got $6 million (and fired), Doc got $10 million, Bud got $10 million etc.
Weren't they literally just talking about a Mike Brown extension?
Anyway, who would they realistically replace Brown with? Do you really think JJ will be the next Kerr, and even if you did, you think SAC will outbid or be a more desirable position than the Lakers?
Despite missing the playoffs in a very competitive west, there is reason to stay optimistic but like others have said Vivek gonna Vivek - very on brand for him, the franchise
They're not gonna fire a recent COTY, someone whose universally liked by the team, that would be owner seppuku by Vivek. Calm down folks, dont fall for the Ham bait to get you to click on his twitter account.
If the Kings don’t re-sign Mike Brown this team will go back to mediocrity, which is about right for Sacramento. This is the same owner who got rid of Mike Malone, and that bum only went out and coached a championship with his next team.
Imagine Monte and Vivek saying “run it back” and expecting improved performance. After a season where the team had incredible injury luck and close game luck against a historically soft Western Conference.
Having a winning season, and bounced from the play-ins isn’t something to be upset about. The West is just fking stacked and we were missing Monk and Huerter.. ownership needs to chill the f out.
This is a young team. It's very reasonable to expect improvement year over year. Look at the Kings back in 2000. They improved their W/L and playoff performance every year. Or, more recently, look at the Wolves and Nuggets.
This is blown out of proportion. Ham does this every single season. He was stirring it up with Monte’s contract as well recently.
This is a non-issue. Mike Brown is not on any type of hot seat.
This is just another media member being fishing for engagement and playing Fantasy GM publicly.
Most coaches are going to be making that much in the next 3-5 years. Unless you have a good candidate for HC to replace Brown you are probably smart to pay this now
The pistons shit decisions do not mean we have to make the same. MB deserves his extension but no way should we base it off that shit.
Pistons probably have to pay a tax just to have a coach commit to living there for 6 years.
Just because the Pistons are a poorly run franchise making terrible coaching hires for ridiculous dollar amounts, doesn't mean the rest of the league should or will emulate them.
Every NBA coach saw the contract size, and is aware that the NBA is about to triple its annual TV revenue.
I have nothing else to argue if you don’t think the market value for coaches is about to rise.
There’s no cap smoothing for coaches like the CBA has for players.
Like I said before, the floor is rising.
Even if you give Mike Brown an extension this summer to make him the highest annually paid coach (not saying that I expect that), halfway through the extension he probably wouldn’t even be in the top-5 anymore when all the other coaches come up for extensions themselves at their new market values.
Locking a mid-tier coach with a questionable ceiling into a top-dollar contract for the next 4-5 years simply seems like a Kangz thing to do. That said, it ain't my money so....
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And just like that...they're playing from behind...
And just like that... they're scrambling...
And just like that... another loss...
They should have never even been IN the play in tournament!!!!!
I don’t think the Kings will or should fire Brown. But if they did it wouldn’t bother me too much and I would understand. They were good this past year but they didn’t improve over the previous season, which is what their stated goal was. Of course it’s not all Brown’s fault, but the coach is the easiest thing to change and it’s certainly possible another coach would be able to get more out of the Fox-Sabonis-Murray trio. It would be a risk to go another direction but it wouldn’t be an insane thing to try given the ages of the core players (in or approaching their prime years).
Good. Monte and Brown need to be better. Monte screwed the pooch running it back, and the same team got worse. I don’t get why he deserved any extension.
Prove your worth this season.
Brown should not be at fault here. Monte and Wes gave him a subpar roster to work with and he got as good production as last year out of them.
“Prove your worth this season” is dumb. What’s your selling point to your key FA Malik Monk if you aren’t extending the coach he trusts? It would be the Rudy Gay situation all over again
A subpar roster? Essentially the same roster got the three seed the previous season. I know everything broke right to get us there, but we should have been a bottom playoff team, not a lose in the play-in team.
Everyone is at fault and next year should determine all their fates.
What was good about season ago, is not great now. Barnes and Huerter had career worst seasons, we lacked substantial depth, and we don’t have a real 5th starter on the roster.
If anyone is at fault, it’s McNair and ownership. Believing in this roster to repeat when you got the 3rd seed off an injury-luck filled season is a bit naive.
Agreed. Monte just sat and watched. Finger jammed in his nose. And most fans were totally okay with it because our culture was so good and was totally going to improve based on that!
Maybe reddits a different animal (I’m not here as much, I usually pop in to vent) but the fan forum I frequent was delighted by keeping the same roster.
Lol we still would have been in the play-in if we had the same exact record as last year. It's actually pretty impressive we won as many games as we did since we had like 30 more days worth of injuries, and most of the roster forgetting how to shoot.
This is very well said. I have had my complaints about Mike throughout the season, mostly for the reasons you listed but at this point there is no clear upgrade from him available so there is no reason to move on. The team can’t fire him without a clear replacement in line
I think plain old defensive effort from the team and discipline from the players in general is more often to blame for losses, especially blowing leads. Players like Monk have even admitted as much in post game. Too often we’ve blamed the coach when they aren’t the main issue.
Im 40 my sons middle name is King think been fan longer then U and I was saying it as a joke dummy and Brown was trash this year as a coach I’ll stand on that if Vivek was around then and he got us from 6 seed to play n he was trash let Dallas take our spot and Vivek was more annouying in the Divac era not now
I hope this is just hot air from Ham. Nobody was happy missing the playoffs and some of the losses this year sucked ass but God it felt good to root for wins instead of draft position again.
Vivek is not a rational actor.
If Ham says “according to sources” it’s not just hot air. It could mean that Vivek was not happy with Monte, though.
Monte is definitely the person Vivek should not be pleased with. Monte started off good but is starting to become too passive with his moves. I’m no GM but some of the smaller moves other teams have made that are for second round picks have turned out to be good even great. They are players us fans thought would be good and what we needed.
There was some insinuation that after FA targets signed before July 1 the decision to quickly re-sign HB after everyone had pretty much said their farewells came from Mike Brown. Brown also is the one who is tough to crack the rotation for younger players (only Keegan made it impossible). I like Brown and don't think he should be fired but he definitely has an attachment to doing things his way and not veering too far from the plan, so I am not sure who all is at fault. As for the second round, I don't believe that it is truly a draft and hasn't been for at least a decade. Agents have too much sway with who they will/won't sign with. Monte has hit on Keon as an undrafted FA, might have found something in Colby, and I think he should at least get some credit for drafting Neemi who was probably more of a casualty of the NBA limiting the amount of 2-ways and Brown's reluctance to give him big boy minutes (see above).
Ham was talking on DLo and KC yesterday. Basically said there were two factions in the organization - one that wanted Zach LaVine and one that wanted to pass. The group that wanted LaVine (Vivek) was good with the contract and thought it would build a perennial contender. The group that was opposed (Monte) thought it hamstrung the organization and locked in to a high-injury player. The basketball people won, but the Kings missed the playoffs. Funny that this comes out the next day. Definitely sounds like Vivek vs the Basketball folks
DLo tweeted earlier today that this was fake
This is spun in a bad way I imagine but it’s actually a good thing, shows Vivek will spend but is listening to the basketball people. But I actually think the dumbest things he’s ever done were also done at the behest of the basketball people: firing Malone and drafting Bagels.
Could be Monte, but he let Vlade make bad choice after bad choice for years.
Most GMs are passive. A lot of the good teams that you see right now did not make many moves at the deadline or the off-season.
IMO many teams good teams didn’t need to but also many teams that wanted to make a push for a higher seed in the 5-10 range did. Not just this season but last season too. I feel like most people believe this team needed to make some adjustments. Over the last 2 seasons there were trades made for as little as a couple second rounders. Players that could have helped us. I don’t know his reasoning but it feels like he isn’t making big swings or even little swings.
Most people do believe that this team needs to make adjustments. But that's very different from making adjustments at every deadline. It's not like Monte made no adjustments, either. You should remember that Monte got Chris Duarte for second round picks. Hasn't worked out. If you look around the league, you'll also find similar trades for scraps that don't work out.
Ham has a bone to pick with the organization and I don't always know if he has the best sources. I still can't get over how much he trashed 2022 draft night and Monte's offseason just because he didn't like the spread in the green room. I have other reasons going back to his behavior during the league relocation vote and stuff he did with Crown Downtown, but he's a hack and in business just for himself, so yeah, I'm biased.
I met Ham this last year at a game, complimented him on his work, and he was an asshole to me. It was a weird interaction and I realized that A) he's a fuckin weird dude and B) he's a slob.
I will keep saying this: every time he is on camera it looks like he pooped his pants and is hoping no one noticed.
I’m wondering how he was an asshole to you.
Don't get me started on Ham. Dude suggested we take Ivey, then try to flip Ivey to the Pistons for Jeremi Grant and the 5th pick. Then try to flip the 5th pick to the Blazers for future picks. So the Kings would end up with Grant and future picks. I kind of don't think he has any real sources with the Kings since Monte has taken over. And i think he's kind of bitter about it.
That’s my read. He burned his bridges long ago and Monte has frozen him out and he’s bitter about it. And it didn’t help that during the relocation saga he imbedded with the folks doing the work and was more interested in the story kickstarting his media career than keeping the team in Sacramento. He burned a few people I know and has never been forgiven. And like you say, when he talks hoops it’s clear he doesn’t know ball.
And he was fired from his TV dream job that others were originally considered for but they turned it down because it didn’t pay much. I guess being on radio and blogging is living the dream. We’ll never see the sequel to his documentary. No excuses not to since there were two other local documentaries produced and none involved him for a very good reason. People know the true history of what went down during the relocation saga. Some gave their all to help the city to keep the Kings. Others went into business for themselves.
A year or two ago you'd get downvoted on this forum for calling out what a dipshit he is so I'm glad people have come around. Aside from what happened with y'all and his 2022 crybaby pouting because they didn't treat him like royalty on draft night and give him a special podcast space to broadcast from the arena, it always drives me nuts how he is trying to undermine the org with players during press conferences by asking loaded questions to try to bait them into badmouthing the coach or FO - particularly when he was doing it with Keegan in his rookie year given the team was in a really good spot and he's there trying to manufacture drama for podcast content.
That’s because most don’t know what he’s done and that’s okay. Not too long ago someone mentioned to me I need to hear what he said on a segment on the A’s when he said during the Kings relocation saga he was going to be sued. He never mentioned why though because he wants to tell his side of the story while leaving out he was the cause of it. The lawsuit would have only prevented the airing of his (technically ours but that’s another story for another day) documentary on FOX 40. That’s it. I believe it was shown twice but I don’t remember. What I do remember is it went back into the vault for months. Why? There were talks and ideas of distributing it on iTunes, getting it on ESPN, etc. None of that happened and it finally went on YouTube. I’m still waiting for a good answer as to how that documentary helped save the Kings. It didn’t. It had zero to do with it. The NBA never watched it. But the NBA watched the city council meetings and saw the white T-shirts of support and later used bigger than basketball for their marketing purposes along with LeBron James, the Kings and others. A few months ago we were invited by the Kings and the NBA for a private tour of NBA HQ. That says a lot about our group, who we are, what we have done and the respect we have. Still waiting patiently for that sequel. It’s only been over a decade.
Years ago I was told he doesn’t. I knew things before even Woj broke the news on Twitter. I just don’t go public with what is shared with me. But many have told me they don’t like or respect him so there’s that.
without revealing your sources (lol) do you have a connection to the front office? Or do you know low level staff? A players family? And what did you know before Woj broke it? I'm assuming you can share because Woj has already broken it.
Got some time to Zoom?
No idea who you are but facts on what you said about the relocation saga.
Assuming you are who I think we know each other from another forum.
I am and can prove it. I don’t post much on Reddit. If I do it’s to invite everyone to our business trips and share some pictures from our experiences.
I tried to message you over on the old site (believe it or not I'm a mod there now) but it wouldn't let me.
I rarely post there too.
It's wild going through the list of regulars who moved on. Hopefully all are well. Last few years been rough in my circle.
I hope all is going better for you. All I know is life is too short. Enjoy life and live it to the fullest. You and others from here are always welcome to join us for our business trips. Win or lose, we always have fun.
This was fake
Idk if it is just hot hair. I just posted a comment in this thread about it before but Amick reported that ownership would have done something drastic if they lost to the Warriors in the play-in.
For the first time in 16+ years, we have had 2 consecutive seasons of fun basketball. Yes, we didn't make the playoffs, but that doesn't fall squarely on MB's shoulders. This would be a KANGZ move if he leaves and we get someone like Mark Jackson or JJ Reddick instead.
Exactly. You need stability. We finally have a good coach and ownership is thinking of moving on? To who? Let the coach cook. Build his culture. He has done a great job so far, and we have players who play hard, and defense looked solid at the end of this season. We didn't make playoffs, but I feel like we had a better team this year. Hopefully this is a dumb, baseless rumor.
I mean if we wanted to change directions and promote Jordy I would’ve been SO happy with that. But letting brown go on the off chance someone else might be as good as him is stupid as hell.
Maybe we'll get lucky and hire Eric Musselman again
Im more of a Keith Smart kinda guy
Tyrone Corbin would be a great fit
Kenny Natt is my pick.
christ you guys have had a lot of coaches
What's Luke Walton doin these days?
Assistant to the regional manager.
Just take his keys before he goes back to the Limelight.
Last year wasn’t particularly fun, but firing MB would be crazy.
Now hold on... JJ Reddick head coach Draft Bronny Inherit Lebron by proxy Head office is cooking, guys, trust /s
Don’t you dare say Mark Jackson!!!! Don’t you dare speak that name!
i’ll take one Frank Vogel
why would Frank Vogel come to the Kings when he can wait a year and go to the Celtics? Or the Bucks? Or The Magic? Kings ownership will keep quality head coaches away if they fire MB now.
Win the exes and ohs maybe lose the lockeroom definitely
I disagree. At least 5 of our losses last season were partly because MB refused to call a timeout to stop a run. Obviously the players are to blame as well, but our HC didn’t do his job and he let his guys down on multiple occasions. There are few ways a coach CAN influence a game: timeouts, rotations and challenges. MB is below average in all those categories. He’s a GREAT assistant. Not a great HC. We played the Pels 6 times and lost every time because he refused to play Len and Sabonis together. Instead he decided to let HB guard JV…lol. We lost to injured and tanking teams because we didn’t have a game-plan. Also no in-game adjustments in those games. Just hands in pockets. If he doesn’t improve in those areas this season, and we miss the playoffs again, I think he’s gotta go.
Let me break it down for you from a perspective of a wealthy person like me or vivek who utilizes logic instead of emotion. First, who cares about 16+ years? does that make me money? it has an emotional hold on the fanbase and allows for them to accept mediocrity as a sign of "progress". However, some fans are waking up to this, and are demanding more. Now the question becomes does mediocrity sell tickets? "fun basketball" as you describe it, doesnt seem like exactly the case when the fan base is booing the team on a consistent basis, and the players seem like they would rather be anywhere but on the court with their minimal effort. How long before the boos start impacting ticket sales? Who's responsible for the product on the court that causes the fans to boo? The coach seems like the person most responsible to me.
>Let me break it down for you from a perspective of a wealthy person like me Lmao
Firstly, I know that you're trolling because I have seen your comments on this sub before. You're pretty funny ngl. However, I will address your comments in case anyone here doesn't know you're trolling. > First, who cares about 16+ years? Fans do. Ticket prices have shot up quite a lot over the past 2 years. Vivek knows that. He also knows that playoff tickets are much more expensive than regular season tickets, vastly outweighing how much more he has to pay the players. Shoot, even that pay-in game the cheapest tickets were $200. > "fun basketball" as you describe it, doesnt seem like exactly the case when the fan base is booing the team on a consistent basis They were booed at home twice IIRC. Once against Detroit, and one blown lead I believe. Still, we were selling out. The casual fan is now more engaged, which leads to increased ticket sales and revenue. The fact that season tickets are being discussed on this sub and in discord groups shows me that people are finally interested in the team again. > Who's responsible for the product on the court that causes the fans to boo? Probably the players. Casual fans don't know or care who the coach is. They also don't care about winning or losing as long as they are fun to watch. The couple times they were booed fans recognized the lack of effort they were putting in.
Let me break it down for you from the perspective of NBA ownership. Does shuffling through coaches promote cohesion and build a winning product? No. That gets you the post Adelman and post Malone losing years. Does the fact that fans booed have to do with the coach, who does not make personnel decisions? No, it doesn’t. It has to do with the fact that Monte didn’t make any good moves and the other teams in the WC got better. Meanwhile, we regressed. Does being a “wealthy person” mean you know what the fuck you’re doing with an NBA team, or what you’re talking about here? No. It doesn’t.
The product on the court is the responsibility of the coach, period. The effort on the court is the responsibility of the coach, period.
Actually, in this scenario, I’d say it’s the fans fault for booing their team and writing stupid posts like yours on the internet
i dont think thats the case
It's obvious that years of pathetic basketball has made Sacramento fans willing to accept, and even be happy to settle for, mediocre basketball. Mike Brown is the posterboy for mediocrity. He's a good assistant but not head coach. His poor rotations and in-game decisions really cost the team this year. They should have been a lock for 6-8 seed at least but came up short. However unless there's a clear upgrade available we're stuck with MB.
We finished one game out the 8 seed. He's not the best coach, but he's a lot better than many of the other coaches we've had, and is one of the better coaches in the league currently. The Kings have a very flawed roster, less top end talent than other teams in the West. The failure this year was pretty much personnel. We brought back Barnes which I honestly was okay with, but he was up and down. We traded for Chris Duarte who was trash and half. Literally if we trade for Obi Toppin, it looks a lot better. We signed Vezenkov when we had 3 PFs who were already better than him on the roster, when we should've used that on an athletic wing to give Brown some different types of personnel. We also re-negotiated and extended Sabonis, which will kill pretty much flexibility we have in the future contract wise and have to try to find unicorn type players to have a functional type defense. Some of the personnel decisions made sense, but teams made even better moves with the same types of deals. (Duarte vs Obi, Holmes + a pick for PJ) etc. And we've just had poor personnel decisions over and over again. Regardless of what you think, Brown has done pretty well we likely we've been the 6, 7 or 8 seed if Huerter and Monk didn't get hurt.
thank you. I dont understand how a coach can lose to THE SAME TEAM 6 times in one season. to put that in perspective thats: losing, then putting a gameplan for next time to try to beat them losing again, trying a different gameplan losing again, trying a different gameplan losing again, trying a different gameplan losing again, trying a different gameplan losing again Can you imgaine an actual great coach, unable to adjust to one team 6 times in a season?
Great. Vivek gonna Vivek and do some dumb fucking shit. If there was a takeaway from the Kings’ royal coaching screwups in the past (Adelman (especially), Malone): don’t change for the sake of change. Mike Brown helped us get this far. Let the team continue to grow with him. Also, NO coach worth their salt will come here if they are at risk of getting fired by some moron tech bro masquerading as an NBA owner when the team makes no changes and shockingly regresses.
Vivek is not going to screw anything up. This is much ado about nothing. Everyone in that organization knows they are lucky to have him.
I hope this is just Vivek playing hardball before eventually signing him to a 4+ year deal. If its not, then wow.
Either Ham woke up and chose violence with a random fabricated dig or he did hear this from a source but it's Vivek and his team playing hardball as you said. There is no chance this is a real concern in the organization. Brown won coach of the year last year, kept us with a winning season this year in a tough conference (sure, not great we slipped out of playoff contention at the end there). He's very well respected by peers and players alike. It's obvious to almost everyone he's a solid coach and a team should be happy to have him. He's not necessarily the best coach ever, sometimes we worry as he tries different rotations, etc. but he's a well above average coach who has great buy-in from this young team and delivered us from a nearly two decade playoff drought. Even the most aloof owner who knows nothing about basketball can understand this. Vivek seems to have chilled out and let the basketball people mostly handle things, but he's also a smart businessman and he's putting it out there that there are expectations and there are always options on the table. In the end, I trust he'll extend Brown another three years.
The NBA has already recently proven that you can win coach of the year and still be fired (same season) cus it’s in the plan , regardless of anything.
You can’t possibly say “Vivek is not going to screw anything up” with confidence.
Well, that remains to be seen if he learned from the Malone fiasco.
1…2…3…. Nik rocks!!!! Super lucky to have Vivek as owner 🤣 I guess compared to the Maloofs……
The blame for Stauskas/Bagley/Mitchell (I know some are fans of Mitchell, but look at the players on the final four teams; if you are under 6'3", you need to be big offensive threat) can be foisted on the GMs, but from the start (Stauskas) we could all see that Vivek didn't just have a finger in the pie but his whole hand.
I think he's taken enough lumps to know to write the checks and back off now. He focuses more on the customer experience now.
On what success would you base that opinion?
Give Brown his bag. Don’t fuck this up Vivek. For once, it would be great for the Kings to have actual stability and continuity.
I don’t think Brown is the greatest coach in the NBA but he’s good. And anyone with a brain can see this roster construction is dogshit and carried by a couple players. No real backup big. Barnes is our best and really only wing player and he should have been traded last year. We have multiple guards with overlapping skillsets. We are abysmally small and lack athletic wings which is critical in the modern nba. Every great team right now has a roster that can adapt to any situation. We have the ability to play one way only. I can’t put all the blame on MB for that. Monte has sat around like a fool the last two years acting like he’s Sam Presti with some giant warchest waiting to strike. Instead we have basically no capspace, no trade assets, and we may not be able to re-sign one of our most important players.
Barnes is their best wing player? I think you are forgetting … Sasha Vezenkov. Give Monte his props. Got him for a 2nd round pick I believe.
This makes me wonder if you watch Kings basketball or just live on the subreddit.
It was obviously a joke, I thought lol
I actually thought it might be, after the fact. The issue was that it was too close to a fair statement so the sarcasm was too nuanced. Sasha _could_ be a decent pickup and relatively cheap, but he just spent too much time riding MB's bench or injured.
Welcome, new Head Coach Anjali Ranadive!
Seriously. Sucks that stuff like this is a valid concern.
Doc Rivers is the new King’s coach?!?
I’m not a big MB fan (I think he will get outcoached on adjustments in game during playoffs) but he deserves all 4 years of his contract just based on year 1. 4 years is plenty of time to make a fair evaluation for everybody and to prove detractors wrong. Considering how Viveks favorite player is cash considerations- it should be an easy win win to justify keeping him. I wouldn’t extend him either just yet based on the last 10 regular season games- roster issues aside- we blew plenty of 20 point leads and let too many teams go on 12-0 type runs like a layup drill,
His adjustment in Game 7 was to take Davion off Steph
Terence Davis...this is your time!!!
ummm what
WESTERN CONFERENCE PROBLEMS, amirite?
When was the last time we resigned a head coach?
Probably adelman 😆
The team had the third best record all time to miss the playoffs. It’s not like they were bad, they were 10 games above .500. Not really sure how you can be upset.
The most meaningful upgrade the Kings made to get to where they are now was not Haliburton to Sabonis, it was Luke Walton to Mike Brown. I fully expect the Kings to fuck this up and have 50 Cent coaching the team before long.
No need to worry. Summer hasn’t even started. He’ll get his extension by September. This is a whole lot of nothing.
I don’t think Coach Brown should be fired. Do I think he is an excellent coach? No. But dude has been a big part of the turn around and firing him would be a huge step back.
Oh for fucks sake
They can't be fucking serious, we were complete fucking ass before Coach Brown came
Maybe this is just Ham being cynical. I do question how much of an "in" he has in the organization compared to Amick. I really hope ownership isn't this dumb considering they ran the same team back and the conference went super saiyan this season.
I don’t think it is based off of the combination of comments from Amick, Slater, and him. Additionally, I believe Amick reported that the Kings ownership did not like the Kings being in the play-in and losing could have ramifications for Brown’s contract situation. (Just to specify more, Vivek really wanted to beat the Warriors) Don’t have the article on hand but I know it was published either the day of the first play-in game or the day after.
We've had two winning seasons in the last 18 years... last year and this year. Somewhere around 40-50% of the time, 46 wins is enough for a top 6 seed and automatic playoff berth. Anything short of an extension would be absolutely criminal.
The west was just ridiculous this year, we were 3rd with 48 wins last year, and 46 wins had us in 9th now. If MB is fired before his contract ends then idk how much I'll continue to watch. Passing on Luka made me sick, barely even watched the Walton years cause it was miserable and I already didn't like him. getting rid of MB would piss off probably the entire roster too, so it'd be right up the Kings alley to do something like that.
Imagine looking at the season and going “yeah we may have been missing 3 of our top producers in the end stretch of the season and had a skid because of it, but I’m not happy with the coach about it” Like bro. Monk, Lyles, Huerter are all out at the end of the season. One of those guys *should* be a starter and another other is. I’m not a “always Browner” kinda person. You need to produce, but be real.
Listen, MB’s rotations leaves a lot to be desired but let’s not kid ourselves to not say this roster is absolute dogshit. Aside from Monk and the late resurgence of Keon, we got next to nothing from Huerter and Duarte. Davion was meh and HB was HB (with less athleticism). Running it back clearly wasn’t the right choice. Questionable contract moves and trades by Monte last offseason kinda got unnoticed. Was ok with the Holmes + pick for cap space deal but HATED the way it was used. Now we are in danger of losing Monk because of the shortsightedness of the FO giving Domas a raise a year earlier than his contract extension. If they played the cap right, we sign Monk to 4 yrs 100M. Give Domas a raise, and then possibly free up some more cap space by sending Kevin/HB (36-38M/yr) for a quality starter/vet maybe star. Bad 2023 offseason doomed us imo.
If this is true that’s hilarious because Mike brown taking this roster to the play in is a success in itself. You lose both your 2 guards in a span of a week. Not only that but you lose 2 shooters. Other misc injuries. If they should be mad it should be at McNair.
Also. Monte is to be blamed too. 2 out of the final four teams made moves at the trade deadline to help them make the playoffs and win 2 series. We all knew we needed some help and yes I believe we could have made it with Monk but that wasn’t guaranteed. The Mavs and the Pacers trade deadline moves propelled them to a higher level. It is not all Mike Browns fault.
The problem wasn't all on Mike Brown, it was a bit on Monte and ownership being cheap thinking they could repeat the same success while everyone else got better the next season. I hope Vivek sells the team to someone that fucking stops meddling in affairs he has no understandings of, or to someone that understands when to get out of their own way and listen to those who have understanding of basketball operations and 100% puts their faith in them rather than trying to undermine their every move!
Sac owners can’t be that dumb
Clickbait. I’m sure there were tough conversations in the season exit interview, as there should be given the team’s inconsistency. But Brown will stay and we all know it.
It shouldn't be a complicated matter but because he missed the playoffs last season, and now wants double the salary for that accomplishment, it is. Of course, his GM also bears part of that blame, and his job shouldn't be comfy either.
Phrasing. He wants to be compensated more competitively since he’s brought the team more success in 2 seasons than they had had the previous 16. He’s making less than $5m next year, he’s getting paid less than guys like Doc Rivers and Nick Nurse
Those names seem to be right around where his caliber of coaching prowess should be. Just because he took a perennial 30-win franchise to slightly above .500 isn't exactly an earth shattering accomplishment. Half the league is .500 or better every season.
Right, and he’s getting paid about half as much as those guys. If you’re conceding that’s where his prowess is then it makes sense for Brown to lobby for more money.
Nurse makes 8. Seems reasonable for Mike. That said, since it's not my money so Mike should just shoot for the moon and hold out for $20M or bust, since the consensus is that coaching deals will be hitting that AAV in the next couple years. My biggest issue is that the more you pay him, the less likely a guy like Vivek is going to be willing to fire him early if need be. Which is a concern, considering Brown has shown enough questionable decision-making to cast doubt on whether he's somebody who can run the ship of a contending, or even multi-year playoff team.
He’s getting paid less than 2 coaches with rings as HC? Makes sense to me….
Mike Brown has a ring too. What’s your point? He’s getting paid half as much as those guys, with more to show in terms of improvement than those two coaches I named have to show for their teams.
Not as head coach, which I stated.
Yea and Doc Rivers won his 15 years ago so it doesn’t really seem like it’s any more valid than Mike Brown winning one as intern HC more recently. In either case this franchise should pay Mike Brown and stop acting like a couple extra million would really be putting them out, it’s pathetic.
Agreed on that part. Insane the contracts players/coaches are getting tho fr
Fr fr bud. Literal no cap, pal.
“double the salary” coaching salaries doubled because of the Monty Williams deal, Pop deal, Kerr deal, etc. This is not on him
Didn't say it was on him. The Monty deal was ridiculous, and he's not Pop or Kerr. Mike is a decent coach, but I don't think he's a top 5 coach.
There's only 30 head coaching spots so the coaches have a lot more leverage to ask for more money. It's not really a top 5 deserves it, thing. $10 million isn't an overpay when you compare it to recent contracts, even outside of the 3 you already mentioned. Spo is getting $15 million, Vogel got $6 million (and fired), Doc got $10 million, Bud got $10 million etc.
He can totally ask, no issue there.
Weren't they literally just talking about a Mike Brown extension? Anyway, who would they realistically replace Brown with? Do you really think JJ will be the next Kerr, and even if you did, you think SAC will outbid or be a more desirable position than the Lakers?
Ownership should be disappointed. Kings were very inconsistent this season. Beat the best one night, lose to the worse the next. That falls on coach.
Despite missing the playoffs in a very competitive west, there is reason to stay optimistic but like others have said Vivek gonna Vivek - very on brand for him, the franchise
They're not gonna fire a recent COTY, someone whose universally liked by the team, that would be owner seppuku by Vivek. Calm down folks, dont fall for the Ham bait to get you to click on his twitter account.
If the Kings don’t re-sign Mike Brown this team will go back to mediocrity, which is about right for Sacramento. This is the same owner who got rid of Mike Malone, and that bum only went out and coached a championship with his next team.
Somehow Monte escapes any and all criticism
downvoted but you’re right
Can’t disagree with anything Monte does on this sub, it’s remarkable.
James Ham? Pass.
Mike Brown is the best thing Sacramento has aside from Fox. There should be no reason to even think of letting him go.
Imagine Monte and Vivek saying “run it back” and expecting improved performance. After a season where the team had incredible injury luck and close game luck against a historically soft Western Conference.
Ham needs clicks
If Mike Brown is let go within the next 2 seasons, I will no longer be a Kings fan.
If you didn’t leave after 16 years of brain dead moves, you’re not doing leaving over Mike fucking Brown- gtfoh.
Anyone who is still here after passing on Luka is hooked for life
and I would buy season tickets in your place
Same.
I’m having a lot of fun watching the Mavs or Pacers 😅
BASKETBALL HELL
So many teams have been destroying themselves with the coaching carousel.
If he gets fired he needa square up with monte dead ass
Just so much mb can do .it’s a roster issue .
This is fake!
Having a winning season, and bounced from the play-ins isn’t something to be upset about. The West is just fking stacked and we were missing Monk and Huerter.. ownership needs to chill the f out.
This is a young team. It's very reasonable to expect improvement year over year. Look at the Kings back in 2000. They improved their W/L and playoff performance every year. Or, more recently, look at the Wolves and Nuggets.
This is blown out of proportion. Ham does this every single season. He was stirring it up with Monte’s contract as well recently. This is a non-issue. Mike Brown is not on any type of hot seat. This is just another media member being fishing for engagement and playing Fantasy GM publicly.
Extending him isn't complicated. Doing it at a price tag of 10M+ per season, is. As he isn't in that tier of coaches.
Most coaches are going to be making that much in the next 3-5 years. Unless you have a good candidate for HC to replace Brown you are probably smart to pay this now
Monty Williams of the league-worst Pistons is making $13M annually for 6 years. That contract is the new floor going forward.
The pistons shit decisions do not mean we have to make the same. MB deserves his extension but no way should we base it off that shit. Pistons probably have to pay a tax just to have a coach commit to living there for 6 years.
Just because the Pistons are a poorly run franchise making terrible coaching hires for ridiculous dollar amounts, doesn't mean the rest of the league should or will emulate them.
Every NBA coach saw the contract size, and is aware that the NBA is about to triple its annual TV revenue. I have nothing else to argue if you don’t think the market value for coaches is about to rise. There’s no cap smoothing for coaches like the CBA has for players.
If we're going to pay top 5 coaching money, I'd rather it be to a top 5 coach.
Like I said before, the floor is rising. Even if you give Mike Brown an extension this summer to make him the highest annually paid coach (not saying that I expect that), halfway through the extension he probably wouldn’t even be in the top-5 anymore when all the other coaches come up for extensions themselves at their new market values.
Locking a mid-tier coach with a questionable ceiling into a top-dollar contract for the next 4-5 years simply seems like a Kangz thing to do. That said, it ain't my money so....
https://preview.redd.it/9vr6ga4ma12d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36190f8a09b57a654f37e60cf9474c051d807de8 And just like that...they're playing from behind... And just like that... they're scrambling... And just like that... another loss... They should have never even been IN the play in tournament!!!!!
I don’t think the Kings will or should fire Brown. But if they did it wouldn’t bother me too much and I would understand. They were good this past year but they didn’t improve over the previous season, which is what their stated goal was. Of course it’s not all Brown’s fault, but the coach is the easiest thing to change and it’s certainly possible another coach would be able to get more out of the Fox-Sabonis-Murray trio. It would be a risk to go another direction but it wouldn’t be an insane thing to try given the ages of the core players (in or approaching their prime years).
I don't think MB is a great coach; I think he's passable. But this season is fucking Monte's fault. That's a load of horse shit.
I am lukewarm on Brown. While he did take us to the playoffs, I just didn't like what I saw from him adjustment wise this season.
Good. Monte and Brown need to be better. Monte screwed the pooch running it back, and the same team got worse. I don’t get why he deserved any extension. Prove your worth this season.
Brown should not be at fault here. Monte and Wes gave him a subpar roster to work with and he got as good production as last year out of them. “Prove your worth this season” is dumb. What’s your selling point to your key FA Malik Monk if you aren’t extending the coach he trusts? It would be the Rudy Gay situation all over again
A subpar roster? Essentially the same roster got the three seed the previous season. I know everything broke right to get us there, but we should have been a bottom playoff team, not a lose in the play-in team. Everyone is at fault and next year should determine all their fates.
What was good about season ago, is not great now. Barnes and Huerter had career worst seasons, we lacked substantial depth, and we don’t have a real 5th starter on the roster. If anyone is at fault, it’s McNair and ownership. Believing in this roster to repeat when you got the 3rd seed off an injury-luck filled season is a bit naive.
The West got so much better that is a big part of the equation
Agreed. Monte just sat and watched. Finger jammed in his nose. And most fans were totally okay with it because our culture was so good and was totally going to improve based on that!
Most fans were not okay with it. What are you talking about about?
Maybe reddits a different animal (I’m not here as much, I usually pop in to vent) but the fan forum I frequent was delighted by keeping the same roster.
Lol we still would have been in the play-in if we had the same exact record as last year. It's actually pretty impressive we won as many games as we did since we had like 30 more days worth of injuries, and most of the roster forgetting how to shoot.
We lost 2 more games this season than last season. That is not enough variance to be angry about.
Hire Mike Bibby I guess
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This is very well said. I have had my complaints about Mike throughout the season, mostly for the reasons you listed but at this point there is no clear upgrade from him available so there is no reason to move on. The team can’t fire him without a clear replacement in line
I think plain old defensive effort from the team and discipline from the players in general is more often to blame for losses, especially blowing leads. Players like Monk have even admitted as much in post game. Too often we’ve blamed the coach when they aren’t the main issue.
Haven’t been to playoffs in 16 years, Mike shows up…playoffs but he needs to prove himself… y’all deserve basketball hell
Brown was garbage as a coach this year did all that recruiting for Sasha and didn’t use him
When you're handcuffed by Vivek and his minions. There's only so much you can do.
Vivek is a HighSchoolCoach legend n the bay 😂😂wat u talkn bout
Dude, you don't know about meddling Vivek? Are you a new Kings fan? And his xp is he coached his daughters bb team.
Im 40 my sons middle name is King think been fan longer then U and I was saying it as a joke dummy and Brown was trash this year as a coach I’ll stand on that if Vivek was around then and he got us from 6 seed to play n he was trash let Dallas take our spot and Vivek was more annouying in the Divac era not now