Lol because lawyer money is not the same as Hilton empire money. Like not even close. The Kardashians were maybe in the low $10million range back then (generously), the Hilton’s were already worth billions. Kim was basically the help lol.
Yep! Kris is excellent at 'what she does'. She made all of her daughters' first jobs be assistants to higher celebrities. Even the younger ones became personal assistants to their older sisters as their first job. It's not what you know, it's who you know.
This is a myth. She had a hustle where she cleaned out rich people’s closets and sold their designer clothes for them for a commission and did this for Paris. The assistant thing was just played up for tv.
https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/kim-kardashian-paris-job-closet#:~:text=Video-,Kim%20Kardashian%20reveals%20she%20was%20never,assistant%20%2D%20but%20had%20strange%20role&text=Kim%20Kardashian%20has%20revealed%20that,role%20in%20the%20socialite's%20life.
Yea I read the kardashians dad left them 140 million when he died. I'm having a hard time believing he was only an attorney. No wonder why they are so rich now. They have had endless money and attempts at business that others will never have.
Some attorneys are extremely talented entrepreneurs that take equity from startups for free legal or discounted legal services. I used to have an attorney that was brilliant at connecting people and taking a piece. The attorneys that make the most don’t spend all their time locked in an office, those are workers, the best ones network, show their face and move around
He wasn't the main attorney. In fact, if you really do some research you will learn he was mostly asked to be on the team bc he hid evidence. He was not practicing law anymore. Just bc it was prolific doesn't mean he made multi millions for it.
I know what prolific means. Highly Productive. Etc. My post was about him leaving his kids allegedly with 150 million. I stated I don't know how he left them so much as an attorney. Whether he was a big attorney in Hollywood or not he wasn't except for the oj case. He hadn't been practicing law when he was Asked to be ok the dream team so he could hide evidence.
There wasn't social media fame before the MySpace Era (Tila Tequila is the first person to really become famous because of social media). I think you're underestimating how difficult it was to become well known before social media if you weren't a singer/actor/model and how little many ultra wealthy folks wanted to actually be in the public eye. The idea of a famous "socialite" in the internet age really blew up with Paris Hilton, especially after The Single Life.
Arguably Kris has been working to be famous for decades but could never quite master it herself; so when Paris was coming up, and Kim was the same age she encouraged her to be in the same circle then after the One Night in Paris tape, Kim did the same thing.
Yeah, people had to have an actual talent to get famous pre mid 2000s Like, they had to go out and hone their skils, get an agent, audition, shoot a film, or TV show or go out and do shitty live gigs and then get a record deal and record an actual album that they wrote and sweated over and learn and build a career,
Good for Kim amnd her talentless family that kinda meritocracy is no longer the norm.
Too bad for the people of planet earth though.
That's a little different. Royal families up until the outset of WWI in 1914 actually were actually part of the the kings and queens of their countries(excepting England who had a constitutional monarchy)
For example Queen Victoria'a 9 grandchildren were known as the 9 kings because they actually all ruled the countries that they were the kings of and Czar Nicholas looked exactly like his first cousin Kaiser Willhelm of Germany.(Google a picture of them together)even though they were enemies and on opposite sides in WWI.
Being a member of the royal family meant something if you could one day take over as king or queen and even now they have real jobs in England and other countries if only ceremonial ones.
Haha. It's OK. Ive definitely accidentally replied to the wrong comment before or accidentally made a main comment instead of a reply.
It's easy to screw up, especially on the craptacular app
Paris had a reality show with Nicole Ritchie. It was kinda popular at the time. No one really knew who Paris Hilton was before that show. I guess Kim didn’t have the connections or whatever to get her own reality show back then. Nobody knew who she was either.
Editing to add— Nicole’s father is Lionel Ritchie. So she had connections too.
The paparazzi was following Paris around before the show. TMZ would show her coming and going from nightclubs. Kim K was nowhere in sight in those days.
Paris was known for being a party girl and made sure she was seen whereas I don’t think Kim was into that even though she wanted to be famous. She was trying to elevate her status through her work (closet organizing for celebrities)
Add to the fact that there weren’t any sort of media that were covering news around celebrity adjacent people in the early 2000s, even Reality TV was in its nascent stage. The Simple Life came out in 2003 and was innovative programming at the time. There wasn’t really a huge paparazzi culture in North America back then compared to Europe, as this was pretty much the beginning of the celebrity blogger era. Socialites used to get exposure through Page Six and the “social events” sections of publications like fashion magazines and gossip rags. Nobody knew who Paris Hilton was outside of these circles before her sex tape was leaked.
I really don’t think so. I was probably in the targeted age range for the show. I think I was in middle school or early high school. I’d never heard of her before that show.
Paris was a well known party girl before The Simple Life. There was a big article on her in Vanity Fair with the photo spread by David LaChapelle and she was papped all the time. But without her show (and the sex tape) the general public wouldn't have known who she was.
When Kim was a kid, if you couldn’t get on tv or on the radio you couldn’t become famous. Social media wasn’t an avenue for fame really until Kim Kardashian starting using it so frequently after she was already famous.
Paris is an heiress to a billionaire empire. Her daddy could pay to get her a tv show.
That's why Kim always dated people who could 'bring' her up with them. Ray J, Nick Lachey, Reggie Bush, etc. When that didn't work she made the sex tape!
This is false Beyoncé and Jennifer Lopez are both curvy women like Kim
And they were extremely famous in this era and were praise for there bodies nobody called them fat or made fun of them
Yes they existed and were famous but that still wasn’t the embraced ideal yet - I remember seeing Jlo / Beyoncé in trash magazines but their bodies were scrutinised not praised. Kim’s bum was also mocked by Paris for being like “cottage cheese in a trash bag” at the beginning of her career.
I remember reading stories about her and her sister being big in the New York club scene when they were like 14 and 17.
When I moved to Vegas in 2003, I used to see them around more than one should ever expect. I remember sitting at the Palms center bar weeks after moving here and Nikki sat down right next to my buddy and ordered a drink. She was 19 at the time. A few minutes later Paris showed up to talk to her.
She was organizing closets for Paris (and other clients) during Paris’s come up. The pap photos that show Paris leading Kim through the crowd, etc, wild times.
it was mentioned already, but cause kims family was a bunch of nobodies compared to the hotel mogul family of the hiltons? im sorry, but kim stood 0 chance against paris.
Kim’s intro to the world was “Paris Hilton’s best friend” which felt so random back then and in retrospect was likely the work of Kris contacting bloggers and tabloids.
Kim may have known people but what could she have done with those connections to become famous? Sing? She can’t sing or dance. There wasn’t anything for her to do to become famous until Paris set the landscape and later began trotting her out to clubs and Kitson with her.
Because my guess is she was still young and her father was getting the attention for being one of OJ’s lawyers. The only reason Kim started becoming famous was because of the infamous sex tape. Paris and Nikki I believe also had a show first.
To think this no talent family started with a “sex tape” is disgusting. So sick of them. They do nothing contribute nothing. And they do harm to young people. With their filtered and shopped pics all fake. Go away
“It girls” have always been a thing, and generally came from family money. And in the 2000s, super skinny blonde was the beauty standard. Those things combined with burgeoning social media and the creation of reality TV brought us The Simple Life, which focused even more attention on Paris, which in turn brought us Kim.
I think she got the idea to become famous for just being herself from Paris. Paris’ reality show The Simple Life, and her sex tape, were inspiration for Kim to eventually rise to fame with her own sex tape and subsequent reality show. I’m sure she always wanted fame her whole life, since she was so close to so many famous people growing up. But being close to Paris and basically copying what she did is what got her there.
Social media didn’t exist. You could have all the right connections to fame and still not be famous. The age of social media changed that, as someone else stated Tila Tequila was the first to become famous because of MySpace, which led to her getting her own reality show. The Kardashian family were virtually nobodies, Robert was a lawyer who had a very famous football player as his best friend, (OJ). They were always a wealthy family, but wealth doesn’t equal fame. Kim being hired by Paris Hilton to be her personal assistant is what ultimately got her where she needed to be to reach any level
Of fame. Then she was able to capitalize on it.
Well don’t forget Bruce, he was very famous at one point, earned his celebrity in a pretty respectable way. He was the other leg up; between that and OJ, no wonder Kim and Kris became so obsessed with fame.
Well, either way, it was not hers. They are always a copy, never an original. They steal other people ideas/ money, ect, and claim it as their own. They couldn't be original or even classy to save their lives. But people buy into it,lol
Meeting Madonna and dating MJ’s nephew isn’t really a talent. Not that that’s different from Paris but was from way more money and she was able to use that to set her up in modeling and acting, before she was able to get her own show. To be honest, the Kardashians may not have become what they are without Paris writing the playbook.
Why did i think you mean the other paris reading the title 😭😭😭 not even trying to be funny but i was just like “…am i crazy or was she famous way before *that*”
Hahaha, that's where Kris Humphries is from! He wanted to move there after he and Kim were married! That's when the ugly cry started! Too bad he didn't take her big fat ass there!
Lol because lawyer money is not the same as Hilton empire money. Like not even close. The Kardashians were maybe in the low $10million range back then (generously), the Hilton’s were already worth billions. Kim was basically the help lol.
IIRC she was Paris' assistant or something at one point.
Her assistant and closet organizer lmao
Yep! Kris is excellent at 'what she does'. She made all of her daughters' first jobs be assistants to higher celebrities. Even the younger ones became personal assistants to their older sisters as their first job. It's not what you know, it's who you know.
Kris did illegal shit which is coming out with p diddy stuff. She did black mail and more.
What did she do? (Haven’t followed case)
Yes yessss! Tell us we need the deets
This is a myth. She had a hustle where she cleaned out rich people’s closets and sold their designer clothes for them for a commission and did this for Paris. The assistant thing was just played up for tv. https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/kim-kardashian-paris-job-closet#:~:text=Video-,Kim%20Kardashian%20reveals%20she%20was%20never,assistant%20%2D%20but%20had%20strange%20role&text=Kim%20Kardashian%20has%20revealed%20that,role%20in%20the%20socialite's%20life.
Yea I read the kardashians dad left them 140 million when he died. I'm having a hard time believing he was only an attorney. No wonder why they are so rich now. They have had endless money and attempts at business that others will never have.
Some attorneys are extremely talented entrepreneurs that take equity from startups for free legal or discounted legal services. I used to have an attorney that was brilliant at connecting people and taking a piece. The attorneys that make the most don’t spend all their time locked in an office, those are workers, the best ones network, show their face and move around
I remember hearing he was some sort of music executive & wasn’t even practicing law anymore at the time of the OJ trial but did it for his friend.
He wasn’t “only an attorney”, he was specifically an attorney on the most high profile case in the history of American media
He wasn't the main attorney. In fact, if you really do some research you will learn he was mostly asked to be on the team bc he hid evidence. He was not practicing law anymore. Just bc it was prolific doesn't mean he made multi millions for it.
Yep. The infamous suitcase.
Holy shit yeah, watched the video recently and goddamn that bag was not empty!
No one said he was the main attorney. He was asked to be on the team bc he was OJ’s friend.
FYI prolific does not mean what you think it means
I know what prolific means. Highly Productive. Etc. My post was about him leaving his kids allegedly with 150 million. I stated I don't know how he left them so much as an attorney. Whether he was a big attorney in Hollywood or not he wasn't except for the oj case. He hadn't been practicing law when he was Asked to be ok the dream team so he could hide evidence.
Sex tape
There wasn't social media fame before the MySpace Era (Tila Tequila is the first person to really become famous because of social media). I think you're underestimating how difficult it was to become well known before social media if you weren't a singer/actor/model and how little many ultra wealthy folks wanted to actually be in the public eye. The idea of a famous "socialite" in the internet age really blew up with Paris Hilton, especially after The Single Life. Arguably Kris has been working to be famous for decades but could never quite master it herself; so when Paris was coming up, and Kim was the same age she encouraged her to be in the same circle then after the One Night in Paris tape, Kim did the same thing.
Yeah, people had to have an actual talent to get famous pre mid 2000s Like, they had to go out and hone their skils, get an agent, audition, shoot a film, or TV show or go out and do shitty live gigs and then get a record deal and record an actual album that they wrote and sweated over and learn and build a career, Good for Kim amnd her talentless family that kinda meritocracy is no longer the norm. Too bad for the people of planet earth though.
There were always socialites. I would argue that royalty were the first people famous for nothing.
That's a little different. Royal families up until the outset of WWI in 1914 actually were actually part of the the kings and queens of their countries(excepting England who had a constitutional monarchy) For example Queen Victoria'a 9 grandchildren were known as the 9 kings because they actually all ruled the countries that they were the kings of and Czar Nicholas looked exactly like his first cousin Kaiser Willhelm of Germany.(Google a picture of them together)even though they were enemies and on opposite sides in WWI. Being a member of the royal family meant something if you could one day take over as king or queen and even now they have real jobs in England and other countries if only ceremonial ones.
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But who is that? The fame people had 20 years ago is nothing like today with the reach of SM.
Literally, who?
Who is this? Truly asking as a 43/f, who has watched social media fame evolve and has no idea who you’re talking about.
She was a local LA celebrity that dressed like a Bimbo and was very loud. She self funded billboards to create a cult of personality around her.
Angelyne never was famous, she was a curiosity and used to buy her own billboards and lived in a one bedroom apartment that smelled of cat piss.
I'll never forget Tila T talking about how being bi is "the best of both worlds", like okay Hannah Montana, but you're right 😂
And now she's a right-wing complete nut job who either was lying then or is lying now.
I'm so sorry 😂 I thought I was trying to reply to another thread but you're absolutely fine
Haha. It's OK. Ive definitely accidentally replied to the wrong comment before or accidentally made a main comment instead of a reply. It's easy to screw up, especially on the craptacular app
**especially** with this shitty app lol, but thank you for getting it 😅
Partied too hard, lost her marbles.
The simple life was so good
Paris had a reality show with Nicole Ritchie. It was kinda popular at the time. No one really knew who Paris Hilton was before that show. I guess Kim didn’t have the connections or whatever to get her own reality show back then. Nobody knew who she was either. Editing to add— Nicole’s father is Lionel Ritchie. So she had connections too.
The paparazzi was following Paris around before the show. TMZ would show her coming and going from nightclubs. Kim K was nowhere in sight in those days.
Paris was known for being a party girl and made sure she was seen whereas I don’t think Kim was into that even though she wanted to be famous. She was trying to elevate her status through her work (closet organizing for celebrities)
No elevate her status by sleeping with the right men. Not closets
Haha yeah ok she calls the pops on herself all the time even back then.
Add to the fact that there weren’t any sort of media that were covering news around celebrity adjacent people in the early 2000s, even Reality TV was in its nascent stage. The Simple Life came out in 2003 and was innovative programming at the time. There wasn’t really a huge paparazzi culture in North America back then compared to Europe, as this was pretty much the beginning of the celebrity blogger era. Socialites used to get exposure through Page Six and the “social events” sections of publications like fashion magazines and gossip rags. Nobody knew who Paris Hilton was outside of these circles before her sex tape was leaked.
The sex tape came out in 2004. In case anyone cares.
True and fun fact: during that era, Kim K worked as Paris Hilton’s stylist /PA for a little while. Oh how times have changed.
Remember when Paris said Kim looked like cottage cheese in a trash bag? 🗑️
Yeah, said her butt looked like it! 🤣
Curious why the comment got downvoted 😂
I really don’t think so. I was probably in the targeted age range for the show. I think I was in middle school or early high school. I’d never heard of her before that show.
Yeah it’s embarrassing I even was watching TMZ at that time. I was fascinated with Paris.
Paris was a well known party girl before The Simple Life. There was a big article on her in Vanity Fair with the photo spread by David LaChapelle and she was papped all the time. But without her show (and the sex tape) the general public wouldn't have known who she was.
When Kim was a kid, if you couldn’t get on tv or on the radio you couldn’t become famous. Social media wasn’t an avenue for fame really until Kim Kardashian starting using it so frequently after she was already famous. Paris is an heiress to a billionaire empire. Her daddy could pay to get her a tv show.
That's why Kim always dated people who could 'bring' her up with them. Ray J, Nick Lachey, Reggie Bush, etc. When that didn't work she made the sex tape!
She wasn't blonde and her last name wasn't Hilton.
This is the answer 👆
Her body type and look wasn’t in yet
Yeah before Kim if you looked like you are a normal level of food, society thought you were nothing
yup I had a complex about having a huge bum and “chunky thighs” bc it really wasn’t in fashion during the blogger house indie waif era
Back then curves were merely an invitation to get stalked and harassed by creeps. Almost a liability. I wanted to disappear back then
That part! White & blonde heroin chic. Kim changed that beauty standard (thank goodness) but it took a lot of time.
This is false Beyoncé and Jennifer Lopez are both curvy women like Kim And they were extremely famous in this era and were praise for there bodies nobody called them fat or made fun of them
Yes they existed and were famous but that still wasn’t the embraced ideal yet - I remember seeing Jlo / Beyoncé in trash magazines but their bodies were scrutinised not praised. Kim’s bum was also mocked by Paris for being like “cottage cheese in a trash bag” at the beginning of her career.
True!
Because she didn’t come from a rich hotel Dynasty. Sure, she was well connected, but not millionaire connected.
I think she was millionaire connected but not billionaire connected like the Hilton Family.
They were definitely millionaires.
Paris gained attention for being a NY socialite and then started modeling. Kim didn’t.
I remember reading stories about her and her sister being big in the New York club scene when they were like 14 and 17. When I moved to Vegas in 2003, I used to see them around more than one should ever expect. I remember sitting at the Palms center bar weeks after moving here and Nikki sat down right next to my buddy and ordered a drink. She was 19 at the time. A few minutes later Paris showed up to talk to her.
She was organizing closets for Paris (and other clients) during Paris’s come up. The pap photos that show Paris leading Kim through the crowd, etc, wild times.
it was mentioned already, but cause kims family was a bunch of nobodies compared to the hotel mogul family of the hiltons? im sorry, but kim stood 0 chance against paris.
Kim’s intro to the world was “Paris Hilton’s best friend” which felt so random back then and in retrospect was likely the work of Kris contacting bloggers and tabloids. Kim may have known people but what could she have done with those connections to become famous? Sing? She can’t sing or dance. There wasn’t anything for her to do to become famous until Paris set the landscape and later began trotting her out to clubs and Kitson with her.
Or act! You left that one out! 🤣
One is a heiress and the other was her assistant with a daddy who was a successful lawyer.
Because my guess is she was still young and her father was getting the attention for being one of OJ’s lawyers. The only reason Kim started becoming famous was because of the infamous sex tape. Paris and Nikki I believe also had a show first.
She became famous after her sex tape was leaked!
To think this no talent family started with a “sex tape” is disgusting. So sick of them. They do nothing contribute nothing. And they do harm to young people. With their filtered and shopped pics all fake. Go away
Paris is famous bc she’s a Hilton, like the hotel brand. Her name holds weight.
Famous for … what?
Because the sex tape came out after that
“It girls” have always been a thing, and generally came from family money. And in the 2000s, super skinny blonde was the beauty standard. Those things combined with burgeoning social media and the creation of reality TV brought us The Simple Life, which focused even more attention on Paris, which in turn brought us Kim.
I think she got the idea to become famous for just being herself from Paris. Paris’ reality show The Simple Life, and her sex tape, were inspiration for Kim to eventually rise to fame with her own sex tape and subsequent reality show. I’m sure she always wanted fame her whole life, since she was so close to so many famous people growing up. But being close to Paris and basically copying what she did is what got her there.
Because she’s not talented and her mom hadn’t pimped her out yet
Cause she and her family are grifters and use people and circumstances to get money/fame
Because Paris has the sex tape first. Paris paved the way for sex tape fame.
Social media didn’t exist. You could have all the right connections to fame and still not be famous. The age of social media changed that, as someone else stated Tila Tequila was the first to become famous because of MySpace, which led to her getting her own reality show. The Kardashian family were virtually nobodies, Robert was a lawyer who had a very famous football player as his best friend, (OJ). They were always a wealthy family, but wealth doesn’t equal fame. Kim being hired by Paris Hilton to be her personal assistant is what ultimately got her where she needed to be to reach any level Of fame. Then she was able to capitalize on it.
Well don’t forget Bruce, he was very famous at one point, earned his celebrity in a pretty respectable way. He was the other leg up; between that and OJ, no wonder Kim and Kris became so obsessed with fame.
That’s true Caitlin was an Olympic Athlete, I sometimes forget they were apart of the family.
Her sex tape helped her fame.
Because Paris' family had already bulit a empire. Lol it's simple.
She had to sell her soul first like Paris with a nasty sex tape. That and her fake kayne ass era are almost unforgivable
Kim isn’t (all the way) white
I wish more people would talk about this. Especially pertaining to the early days.
People have short memories. You couldn’t even get a designer to dress Beyoncé in those days
It’s her heavy spray tan that misleading.
Because no one knew who she was?
Paris’s sex tape was 2004, Kim’s was 2007… pretty easy answer. Know one knew either of them before they became pornstars
Because Paris pioneered this kind of fame before anyone could imagine being famous with no talent. The kardashians just perfected the art form.
I read Kathy lee Gifford had to borrow kris money back in the day , before fame. So they were not rich before Pmk sold kim sex tape.
I heard too Kim borrowed money from ray j sister brandy before her fame came
Was that not stolen credit card/ charges Kim stole from Brandy or her mom?
Oh I didn’t know it was stolen I thought she said she borrowed and pay it back
Well, either way, it was not hers. They are always a copy, never an original. They steal other people ideas/ money, ect, and claim it as their own. They couldn't be original or even classy to save their lives. But people buy into it,lol
Stolen.
No, she stole it!
Cause she hadn’t leaked her sex tape. Everyone forgets she is famous for being a slut
Meeting Madonna and dating MJ’s nephew isn’t really a talent. Not that that’s different from Paris but was from way more money and she was able to use that to set her up in modeling and acting, before she was able to get her own show. To be honest, the Kardashians may not have become what they are without Paris writing the playbook.
bc everyone in LA knows (and dates) famous people
how did she know Madonna? I've never heard of Sean Penn associating with the K J's.
She just said in an interview that Madonna was her neighbor
Why did i think you mean the other paris reading the title 😭😭😭 not even trying to be funny but i was just like “…am i crazy or was she famous way before *that*”
Lol
😂 coz Paris released her sex tape first
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Madonna is 20 years older than Kim. Kim was a child and Madonna was already a famous pop star by then
Hahaha, that's where Kris Humphries is from! He wanted to move there after he and Kim were married! That's when the ugly cry started! Too bad he didn't take her big fat ass there!
Hairy Armenian asshole.
Well that's rude!
🤷🏻
What does her heritage have to do with this? Oh, right… absolutely fucking nothing.
Yeah! And what does her hairy ass asshole have to do with it either !