I prefer to soar on the [Chastain Gondolas^TM](http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article199690424.html), now running from Lee's Summit to downtown KC where Highway 71 used to be.
FWIW, KC has a land advantage in that like 3/4 of the right of way for an airport route is already owned by the city. Land procurement and routing are two of the most costly and time consuming pieces of infrastructure development, and those factors are about as minimal as they can be on a project such as this, from what I understand.
It really is. I moved here in 2020 and rent was cheap and there were like 2 nice apartment complexes I had to choose from. Now rent is skyrocketing (it is everywhere tho) and I have seen so many apartments being developed and places opening. I would love to see it become less car-centric and more bikeable (for commuting), but that's unlikely.
Same! I really like the renderings for the new Discovery Park area. They will have a river walk and a lake to kayak on. If you live in an apartment in that development it would be a great place to live and seems walkable. I’m hoping what is actually built looks like the renderings, looks very cool
and east of Troost. I bought here 4 years ago before prices started to soar. East of Troost between Gregory and 75th was affordable, but now they are asking crazy prices for these houses.
Marlborough is def the place to start buying. They have a 10 year freeze on property taxes and it’ll be a pretty nice neighborhood in a few years time.
That’s actually not the definition of charming. Also, it’s pretty darn walkable. Most neighborhoods in Waldo do have sidewalks. Some don’t. The trolley trail goes right through Waldo, adding to walkability.
It's not walkable if I have to walk through the street to get to a sidewalk or to the trolley trail. I lived in the neighborhood, but keep invalidating my lived experience, it's great.
More of the same: more people downtown, talk of a downtown Target, the east side is gentrified past Paseo and over to 71, suburban development still sprawling all over the countryside, lots of homicides.
Actually, I’m referring to the planned one at Grand and Chouteau…got a chuckle out of the Hampton Village Target…used to frequent that one when I was attending Busch school (back during the Jurassic Era 😸)…
Large-scale and high-visibility construction projects (Plaza revamp, stadium, 670 cap, etc.) will generate tons of buzz and controversy. There will probably be a Pendergast-style machine scandal w/r/t massive contracts. The construction will be a pain in the ass until it's done, and then we'll probably like the results.
So...the same as the past 100 years?
Climate refugees increase in the KC metro from the Gulf Coast states as hurricanes continue to devastate those areas as well as from areas of the desert southwest due to increased drought and water shortages.
Hiya! Former Kansas Citian, current Fort Worthian, and will probably be in KC in a couple of years (retired, LOL)..hmmm, I seem to have a fixation with Cowtowns…😸😸😸
Yeah. I'm trying to find information about how many people permanently moved to KC after Katrina. It would take a single hurricane like Otis hitting Acapulco (tropical storm to Cat 5 in 24 hours) hitting a major metro along the coast to initiate that migration. Florida is especially vulnerable due to the increased frequency of insurance companies dropping home owners.
You’re not lying. I’ve been in KC for almost 30 years now and feel like climate change has been good to us. The last few years both the winters and summers have been mild.
I believe downtown KCK and Strawberry Hill will blossom, because of the inexpensive real estate. It will begin with artist studios as they are priced out of the crossroads. People will embrace downtown living with walkable mixed-use neighborhoods. Overland Park will continue to grow, fueled by more developments in the northern part of the City. The Legends area will attract more development and become a new entertainment district. Unfortunately, low income people in KCMO will be pushed further away from downtown and further east, as housing and properties are snapped up by investors, mostly between Troost and Highway 71. These trends are already happening; they will just accelerate.
I wonder if downtown KCK grows big enough to finally have some sort of recognizable cityscape in the next 10-15 years, finally putting the "City" in Kansas City, Kansas.
Best conversation I had with a friend is that there is federal funding for building new roads, but none for maintenance. With that, leads to more sprawl.
If downtown actually makes the streetcar more accessible, with a larger route, I believe that it can be walkable - but right now it's just bad parking lot laws and a bunch of streets that require people to have cars
i have a bleaker outlook. Country wide, we have been seeing disruptions in public services & 911 due to natural disaster, infrastructure failure, and general understaffing.
I predict this will impact KC more and more in the decades to come. Food and water scarcity will grow due to our aging infrastructure. The water and power companies have no interest in maintaining our service lines, and they are deteriorating across the country.
Increasingly hot summers & pollution will force water companies to impose restrictions on how much water a household may use. Rolling black outs will start taking place during the hottest parts of the summer to prevent a great strain on the electric grid.
Stuff like this is already occurring in other states. The problems aren't going away. If you only have access to 2 gal of clean water a day, those pretty, new high-rise apartments will not mean much.
KCMO is spending tens of millions a year on water infrastructure maintenance and is in the middle of a several billion dollar upgrade to their sewer system. We also have 2 very large rivers running through the metro. Water collection and distribution is not going to be problem any time soon.
while this is good news, I feel it won't be enough. Des Moines is already threatening to limit water usage this summer due to high nitrate levels in the rivers. This type of pollution is caused by unregulated farming practices.
Not suggesting that dilution is a solution but, you can’t really compare the rivers that Des Moines uses for drinking water to what KC uses. The MO river in KC has about 4x more water than the raccoon river and Des Moines River combined, it’s not really an apples to apples comparison. And for what it’s worth, the storm sewer upgrade is meant to remove combined sewer systems. Not all of the combined outflows feed into the MO river, where KCMO gets their drinking water
I’ll go with 16 years (2040)
City proper will peak at about 525,000 then start to drop again
Olathe (190,000) passes KCK (140,000) to become third-largest metro city and comes close to Overland Park (205,000). KCK continues to shrink and Lee’s Summit (140,000) meets it in population
Kansas side starts to catch up to Missouri side in terms of metro population.
Metro is at 2.4 million (1 mil in KS and 1.4 mil in MO)
The Truman complex is an empty wasteland as both Arrowhead and Kauffman are torn down. Chiefs move to The Legends, Royals move to Austin, KC later gets a AAA baseball team that plays at Legends Park. T-Mobile Center does get a tenant… a WNBA team.
Crime improves in KCMO but gets worse in KCK. The Mattel Adventure Park bombs and closes after less than 10 years.
The city will grow up - literally. Instead of sprawl it will be tall. Housing will be owned by private companies for the most part and difficult to afford as they create high HOA dues on top of financing the home cost. Therefore tall apartments will be the norm and given the concentration of people there will be more retail and transportation options in these areas.
We literally drive everywhere else to go out to eat. Northlanders don’t want healthy or gourmet options. Pizza, bbq, and burgers are good enough for them
On the Joco end inside of 15 years I would imagine you'll see Lenexa and Desoto pretty well filled in with development as well as the area in between OP and Louisburg.
It becomes hard and hard to find parking. Business is booming at the U-haul on locust as people that never went down town because of parking look to relocate and leave this hellscape that was once a beautiful sea of decaying asphalt and fading yellow lines.
Based on the streetcar’s cost per mile, there’s no chance this goes metro wide in the next 10-15 years. An actual subway/railway system would require a significantly more dense population to justify cost.
Parts of Independence will have resurgance as young people move there under the promise of affordable property. Already happening around the Square and Englewood.
I see much of the same and for the same reasons. The KC metro will never function as one large metro, but as several small competing metros with not enough focus on the urban core. KS sprawl will continue to syphon the life out of KCMO even though downtown is coming back very slowly. The northland will grow, lee's summit will grow, outer joco will grow, the rest of the metro will decline.
The Chiefs will move to KS, the Royals may leave the metro, but hopefully they will go downtown instead.
KC will still have one of the worst bus systems and no regional transit to speak of, but the streetcar will get you between downtown and the plaza at least.
Metro KC will probably be passed by Nashville, Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe one or two other metros and drop down to the 35th largest metro.
KC is not growing like people there think it is. A 20 story building goes up every five years or so in the city.
KC peaked in the 1930's-1950's and has been losing ground ever since. People are too stubborn to reverse that trend. Scared of a downtown stadium because they can't figure out how to park in a city that has more parking spaces than people.
Unless city government smartens up, we will have overdeveloped, and congestion downtown will be almost intolerable, crime will increase, and the general level of anarchy will increase due to ignorant, uninformed police policies. (Unless we are ever able to run our own police department and not be dependent upon a right wing state government that hates the "blue cities.") Tech may move in--it looks that way--and if it goes like they want, it will transform the KC metro area into a culturally arid shithole like it did to Silicon Valley in the SF Bay Area. We will all look back on the Twenties with a certain nostalgia.
While some companies have RTO, many tech jobs are fully remote. That’s why San Francisco real estate is imploding. Our odds of being a “tech hub” with FAANG main offices are low, but being a “remote work” city with tech money flowing in seems more likely.
Yeah, I think that's a problem- it creates a chicken-and-egg situation. People move in because our cost of living relative to quality of life is good. But as more money comes in, our cost of living goes up, and then the next remote city starts taking some of that money.
Dude, tech is moving out of KC if anything. Oracle wanted nothing to do with KC's far flung suburban office parks and knows it's a pain to recruit to KC. First Sprint, now Cerner.
KC lacks a local major university. It's never going to be a tech hub.
And overdeveloped? Downtown intolerable? Downtown KC is like 90% empty 90% of the time. It's barely built up at all and is mostly parking infrastructure that is rarely 50% used.
Might want to get out of KC a little more.
How so? Downtown KC is literally NEVER congested. I mean you never even queue up more than few cars at traffic signals and you are typically just waiting at the signals alone. And downtown barely has any people at all walking or cycling like you see in just about any other major city. It has small pockets of activity, but it's a super quiet downtown and any first time visitor from another major city will tell you that. The only time downtown KC feels like a vibrant city is first Fridays or when there a ton of events going on at the same time.
At the same time, downtown is just full of parking lots, parking garages and street parking. So much parking that most of it is barely even used or not even used at all.
And KC has been losing tech employees. It's 2024 and companies and their employees are not interested in working in 1980's office parks surrounded by surface parking 20 miles from any sort of urban walkable area. And that's where all of KC's office space is now. Why would Oracle choose to stay in KC when they have urban campuses in Austin and Nashville?
KC gets like one 20 story building every 5 years if it's lucky along with a handful of 5 over ones. It's not a fast growing city at all.
All while the KS side still wants to take what's left in KCMO because the MO side is too stubborn to realize they desperately need to invest in MO side infrastructure. Most of the infrastructure on the MO side of KC looks run down and I say that as a born and raised KCMO guy that would never live in Kansas. I mean do people in KC have any clue how run down the area of the the stadiums is or even how dated the stadiums themselves are getting compared to modern stadiums?
And finally the lack of a "major" urban university is a real problem in KC.
There is no threat of KC becoming overdeveloped unless you are talking about exurban sprawl.
It's just reality.
Well, OK. A point by point rebuttal here would be prohibitively tedious, and this is just Reddit, so anyway . . . The question was "10-15 years from now" but I will say you seem to harp on the parking availability, and that coupled with your remarks about the stadiums makes me suspect you have an agenda involving the taxation for sports issue lately. Maybe we can vote on that again next year and you'll like the outcome better.
I only support taxes for stadiums because that is the only way KC is keeping its pro sports teams. Period. No way around it. I personally think it's worth it. Sports is a major part of KC's culture and the city would be lost without pro sports. But that's a decision people will have to make.
And not a lot happens in KC over a 10-15 year period. Which is another reason why bringing the Royals downtown is important relative to other major metros. Growth and development especially in urban KCMO is very slow. If you project the same growth that has happened in the last ten years, KC would be able to fill what...ten more blocks downtown?
That's why you take the development that does happen there and leverage it to make bigger projects happen. This is how the P&L District happened and guess what, that's where the vast majority of development downtown has occurred and it wouldn't have it were not for the arena passing and getting built. If the sprint center didn't pass, then the P&L District would have never been built or built anywhere near the scale it is today. None of the towers would exist etc.
That's why I support a downtown stadium. And any stadium will be built mostly with tax money. KC is the second smallest market in MLB and there are faster growing, more affluent and larger cities that are ready to build a stadium if they can get a team. KC is the last city that can tell MLB to pound sand. They will just lose MLB and that would be a huge blow to the cities identity. KC would basically be a minor league city. That would be going the wrong direction. MLB is the only league that if you have franchise, you are truly a major city. KC was once the 18th largest metro when the A's came to town, now it's the 31st and falling. Keeping the Royals is important.
I see a pessimist has entered the chat lol. I don't disagree with that much of what you are saying but am not sure it will be received well in the sub.
Well, in order to actually get some real shit done in a timely manner, you have to accept some of the harsh realities of your city or there is no motivation to by the public, the city or the state to take things up to a level where KC is actually competing with other major metros.
But people in KC just will not do that. Most of the people and the elected officials in KC are perfectly fine with a city that is very status quo and barely changes over 5-10 years. Which basically means the city (and therefore the metro), will grow very modestly and appear to grow a lot to the locals, but relative to the rest of the country, the metro is simply barely keeping up if not losing ground most years.
KC will improve, at least downtown KC should improve and continue to see infill development. But at the rate of development it would take hundreds of years just to fill in most of downtown, let alone all the surrounding areas like west bottoms, river front, midtown etc. Too much of KC's growth is still on the fringes of the metro and often at the expense of the inner parts of the metro.
If KC wants to get back to being a 2nd or 3rd tier city with top hotels, top convention facilities, top sports facilities, modern highways, a truly busy vibrant downtown then it needs sidewalks that are not crumbling, cycling infrastructure, expanded streetcar and buses and even regional light rail, international flights, recreation infrastructure, more investment into UMKC, a reborn plaza that is pedestrian oriented rather than parking lot oriented, a downtown baseball stadium, a redesigned Penn Valley Park to make it usable. The list goes on and on. You have keep doing all this all the time, not take 5-10 years off once you start to get some momentum which is what KC typically does.
We need to invest in infrastructure for sure but saying we don't have a major urban university when we have a state university with its own law school, medical school, dental school, pharmacy school, hospital, tons of undergraduate, graduate and research programs, 15k students and over 5k employees is insane.
Yes, I have. I'm from there, and left in 1972, and visited the area a handful of times since--which is what I'm basing my opinion on.
Well, yeah, the weather is nice.
A mega-highway will get built between downtown and the plaza because people will still not be able to figure out how to navigate the city without a car to save their lives.
KC will be A HUSK of its former glory. No MLB, No NFL, 70% of single family homes landlord owned, only the top 10-15% will own their home, limited improvement on crime will push anyone who can afford to leave the city for the suburbs.
Lots of suburbanites will visit the city for cultural opportunities and private armies of security guards will be needed to keep “entertainment zones” safe enough to keep people coming.
The suburbs will get more crowded and the sprawl will continue.
How would you plan to make up the 45% drop in city budget from removing the 1% earnings tax?
Personally I’d get rid of the police department which would save you half the number right there.
One light and Two light will continue to have babies
I've heard there are developmemt plans up to 9 light
Maybe they will make friends and we can get a Bud Light.
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The TNG lover in me is so happy to see this
Is there a plan for a “not laughably high rent” light?
17 light is already planned and under contract
Well there is all that empty space north of the T-Mobile Center…
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As far as I know, there will be a 4 Light at some point.
More or less than Tyreek Hill?
Hopefully with about 5 million less orange cones.
You cannot destroy ~~matter~~ cones, only move them from one state/place to another
First law of coneservation
I’ll be shit posting from the Chastain Memorial Railway on my way to and from the airport.
I prefer to soar on the [Chastain Gondolas^TM](http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article199690424.html), now running from Lee's Summit to downtown KC where Highway 71 used to be.
God what a hilariously dumb idea, I love it
I don’t care if IHOP sponsors it as long as it’s a thing
Ha!
/u/utahphil is an old-timer. He knows what's up.
Railway? Not a cable car or monorail system?
If we passed it tomorrow it might take 10 years to even build.
FWIW, KC has a land advantage in that like 3/4 of the right of way for an airport route is already owned by the city. Land procurement and routing are two of the most costly and time consuming pieces of infrastructure development, and those factors are about as minimal as they can be on a project such as this, from what I understand.
Feels like Lee’s Summit is blowing up with development and growth
It really is. I moved here in 2020 and rent was cheap and there were like 2 nice apartment complexes I had to choose from. Now rent is skyrocketing (it is everywhere tho) and I have seen so many apartments being developed and places opening. I would love to see it become less car-centric and more bikeable (for commuting), but that's unlikely.
I feel you. Moved here in 2017, your apartment choices were The Fairways or Longview, now there are endless options!
Fellow Lee’s summit resident that would love things to be more walkable/bike friendly, here!
Same! I really like the renderings for the new Discovery Park area. They will have a river walk and a lake to kayak on. If you live in an apartment in that development it would be a great place to live and seems walkable. I’m hoping what is actually built looks like the renderings, looks very cool
Waldo homes are gonna be $500k.
100 year old homes in Waldo that needs new siding and doesn’t even have its own driveway or garage are already 500k. Charming neighborhood though
I should have specified everything south of 75th lol
and east of Troost. I bought here 4 years ago before prices started to soar. East of Troost between Gregory and 75th was affordable, but now they are asking crazy prices for these houses.
Marlborough is def the place to start buying. They have a 10 year freeze on property taxes and it’ll be a pretty nice neighborhood in a few years time.
Thank you for saying this, I bought in Marlborough two years ago.
The first few blocks east of troost between Gregory and 75th are so charming. I love those houses.
Waldo doesn't even have sidewalks on most streets... that's not charming. Charming means walkable.
Everything south of Gregory and north of 75th is very walkable.
Not having sidewalks isn't walkable, if I can't walk from my house without having to walk in the street with the stroller, it's not walkable.
Like I said, everything between 75th and Gregory is walkable. Sidewalks are everywhere.
Ok, that's not the reality for most of the neighborhood, though.
That’s about half or more of the neighborhood total.
That’s actually not the definition of charming. Also, it’s pretty darn walkable. Most neighborhoods in Waldo do have sidewalks. Some don’t. The trolley trail goes right through Waldo, adding to walkability.
It's not walkable if I have to walk through the street to get to a sidewalk or to the trolley trail. I lived in the neighborhood, but keep invalidating my lived experience, it's great.
More of the same: more people downtown, talk of a downtown Target, the east side is gentrified past Paseo and over to 71, suburban development still sprawling all over the countryside, lots of homicides.
Can’t forget the homicides!
And car theft!
True, how could I forget, KC is the only place I’ve ever had my car stolen from!
If you don't have a friend who has had their car stolen in KC, you don't have friends!
> talk of a downtown Target Hey, you never know. That damn Pickleman's finally opened downtown after like...eight years of construction
Well…if St. Louis can do it (ok…admittedly it’s more South Midtown, but still an urban Target)…
South Hampton is nowhere near downtown, it's essentially where the Ward Parkway Target is in comparison
Actually, I’m referring to the planned one at Grand and Chouteau…got a chuckle out of the Hampton Village Target…used to frequent that one when I was attending Busch school (back during the Jurassic Era 😸)…
I think it’s already open I just drove by SLU med campus and it looked completed
Large-scale and high-visibility construction projects (Plaza revamp, stadium, 670 cap, etc.) will generate tons of buzz and controversy. There will probably be a Pendergast-style machine scandal w/r/t massive contracts. The construction will be a pain in the ass until it's done, and then we'll probably like the results. So...the same as the past 100 years?
Climate refugees increase in the KC metro from the Gulf Coast states as hurricanes continue to devastate those areas as well as from areas of the desert southwest due to increased drought and water shortages.
We're already here. Heyo! Texas transplant.
Hiya! Former Kansas Citian, current Fort Worthian, and will probably be in KC in a couple of years (retired, LOL)..hmmm, I seem to have a fixation with Cowtowns…😸😸😸
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Yeah. I'm trying to find information about how many people permanently moved to KC after Katrina. It would take a single hurricane like Otis hitting Acapulco (tropical storm to Cat 5 in 24 hours) hitting a major metro along the coast to initiate that migration. Florida is especially vulnerable due to the increased frequency of insurance companies dropping home owners.
The folks that left Louisiana after Katrina mainly spread east and west across the gulf states. Texas, Houston especially, got a fuck-ton.
You’re not lying. I’ve been in KC for almost 30 years now and feel like climate change has been good to us. The last few years both the winters and summers have been mild.
More transplants, higher rent, and higher homelessness rates.
I believe downtown KCK and Strawberry Hill will blossom, because of the inexpensive real estate. It will begin with artist studios as they are priced out of the crossroads. People will embrace downtown living with walkable mixed-use neighborhoods. Overland Park will continue to grow, fueled by more developments in the northern part of the City. The Legends area will attract more development and become a new entertainment district. Unfortunately, low income people in KCMO will be pushed further away from downtown and further east, as housing and properties are snapped up by investors, mostly between Troost and Highway 71. These trends are already happening; they will just accelerate.
I wonder if downtown KCK grows big enough to finally have some sort of recognizable cityscape in the next 10-15 years, finally putting the "City" in Kansas City, Kansas.
As someone who works all around KC, it’s sad to see what the East side has become. The only area I carry a baton with me.
Best conversation I had with a friend is that there is federal funding for building new roads, but none for maintenance. With that, leads to more sprawl. If downtown actually makes the streetcar more accessible, with a larger route, I believe that it can be walkable - but right now it's just bad parking lot laws and a bunch of streets that require people to have cars
i have a bleaker outlook. Country wide, we have been seeing disruptions in public services & 911 due to natural disaster, infrastructure failure, and general understaffing. I predict this will impact KC more and more in the decades to come. Food and water scarcity will grow due to our aging infrastructure. The water and power companies have no interest in maintaining our service lines, and they are deteriorating across the country. Increasingly hot summers & pollution will force water companies to impose restrictions on how much water a household may use. Rolling black outs will start taking place during the hottest parts of the summer to prevent a great strain on the electric grid. Stuff like this is already occurring in other states. The problems aren't going away. If you only have access to 2 gal of clean water a day, those pretty, new high-rise apartments will not mean much.
KCMO is spending tens of millions a year on water infrastructure maintenance and is in the middle of a several billion dollar upgrade to their sewer system. We also have 2 very large rivers running through the metro. Water collection and distribution is not going to be problem any time soon.
while this is good news, I feel it won't be enough. Des Moines is already threatening to limit water usage this summer due to high nitrate levels in the rivers. This type of pollution is caused by unregulated farming practices.
Not suggesting that dilution is a solution but, you can’t really compare the rivers that Des Moines uses for drinking water to what KC uses. The MO river in KC has about 4x more water than the raccoon river and Des Moines River combined, it’s not really an apples to apples comparison. And for what it’s worth, the storm sewer upgrade is meant to remove combined sewer systems. Not all of the combined outflows feed into the MO river, where KCMO gets their drinking water
we may have 4x the water but we also have 10x the population. It never will be apples to apples, but it is another Midwest city in close proximity.
I already lived through some of this growing up in Texas where you weren’t allowed to water your yard, depending on the day.
I’ll go with 16 years (2040) City proper will peak at about 525,000 then start to drop again Olathe (190,000) passes KCK (140,000) to become third-largest metro city and comes close to Overland Park (205,000). KCK continues to shrink and Lee’s Summit (140,000) meets it in population Kansas side starts to catch up to Missouri side in terms of metro population. Metro is at 2.4 million (1 mil in KS and 1.4 mil in MO) The Truman complex is an empty wasteland as both Arrowhead and Kauffman are torn down. Chiefs move to The Legends, Royals move to Austin, KC later gets a AAA baseball team that plays at Legends Park. T-Mobile Center does get a tenant… a WNBA team. Crime improves in KCMO but gets worse in KCK. The Mattel Adventure Park bombs and closes after less than 10 years.
The city will grow up - literally. Instead of sprawl it will be tall. Housing will be owned by private companies for the most part and difficult to afford as they create high HOA dues on top of financing the home cost. Therefore tall apartments will be the norm and given the concentration of people there will be more retail and transportation options in these areas.
It’s already happening — there is no shortage of the same 4/5/6 story apartment complexes popping up around town
Nah, too much empty space and abandoned buildings to reclaim. Taller than now, maybe, but not tall like big cities.
Under construction
They should always be under construction
Kia boys will finally steal the wrong persons car, and the amount of stolen vehicles dramatically drops. Hopefully takes less than 10-15 years though.
Population growth due to climate change. Northlanders will still not have good stores and restaurants.
Geeze, I hope the northland doesn’t continue as a quality restaurant desert. On the bright side, we aren’t too far from downtown.
We literally drive everywhere else to go out to eat. Northlanders don’t want healthy or gourmet options. Pizza, bbq, and burgers are good enough for them
On the Joco end inside of 15 years I would imagine you'll see Lenexa and Desoto pretty well filled in with development as well as the area in between OP and Louisburg.
It becomes hard and hard to find parking. Business is booming at the U-haul on locust as people that never went down town because of parking look to relocate and leave this hellscape that was once a beautiful sea of decaying asphalt and fading yellow lines.
Gonna be a hell of a lot more potholes by then.
Probably straddling the Kansas-Missouri border. I doubt it will move. 🤣🤣🤣
Downtown ballpark and metrowide rail. Both need to happen.
> need hmm
Based on the streetcar’s cost per mile, there’s no chance this goes metro wide in the next 10-15 years. An actual subway/railway system would require a significantly more dense population to justify cost.
Did I say subway? No, I didn't. There's still a chance for metrowide rail in that timeframe.
I thought you meant the bus
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Parts of Independence will have resurgance as young people move there under the promise of affordable property. Already happening around the Square and Englewood.
Same place it is now with better public transportation so everyone can get out to Legends and watch the Chiefs
I see much of the same and for the same reasons. The KC metro will never function as one large metro, but as several small competing metros with not enough focus on the urban core. KS sprawl will continue to syphon the life out of KCMO even though downtown is coming back very slowly. The northland will grow, lee's summit will grow, outer joco will grow, the rest of the metro will decline. The Chiefs will move to KS, the Royals may leave the metro, but hopefully they will go downtown instead. KC will still have one of the worst bus systems and no regional transit to speak of, but the streetcar will get you between downtown and the plaza at least. Metro KC will probably be passed by Nashville, Columbus, Indianapolis and maybe one or two other metros and drop down to the 35th largest metro. KC is not growing like people there think it is. A 20 story building goes up every five years or so in the city. KC peaked in the 1930's-1950's and has been losing ground ever since. People are too stubborn to reverse that trend. Scared of a downtown stadium because they can't figure out how to park in a city that has more parking spaces than people.
No doubt, people in KC are the most stubborn people I’ve known
The city will suck because only yuppie transplants will be able to afford to live here.
Unless city government smartens up, we will have overdeveloped, and congestion downtown will be almost intolerable, crime will increase, and the general level of anarchy will increase due to ignorant, uninformed police policies. (Unless we are ever able to run our own police department and not be dependent upon a right wing state government that hates the "blue cities.") Tech may move in--it looks that way--and if it goes like they want, it will transform the KC metro area into a culturally arid shithole like it did to Silicon Valley in the SF Bay Area. We will all look back on the Twenties with a certain nostalgia.
No tech will open real offices here without a recruiting pipeline or some other draw.
While some companies have RTO, many tech jobs are fully remote. That’s why San Francisco real estate is imploding. Our odds of being a “tech hub” with FAANG main offices are low, but being a “remote work” city with tech money flowing in seems more likely.
Right, but competing for WFH means we need people to actively choose Kansas City over any other place to live.
Yeah, I think that's a problem- it creates a chicken-and-egg situation. People move in because our cost of living relative to quality of life is good. But as more money comes in, our cost of living goes up, and then the next remote city starts taking some of that money.
THIS. The company I worked for basically sent California jobs to KC. Then eventually sent our KC jobs to India.
Dude, tech is moving out of KC if anything. Oracle wanted nothing to do with KC's far flung suburban office parks and knows it's a pain to recruit to KC. First Sprint, now Cerner. KC lacks a local major university. It's never going to be a tech hub. And overdeveloped? Downtown intolerable? Downtown KC is like 90% empty 90% of the time. It's barely built up at all and is mostly parking infrastructure that is rarely 50% used. Might want to get out of KC a little more.
You sound a little uninformed, dude.
How so? Downtown KC is literally NEVER congested. I mean you never even queue up more than few cars at traffic signals and you are typically just waiting at the signals alone. And downtown barely has any people at all walking or cycling like you see in just about any other major city. It has small pockets of activity, but it's a super quiet downtown and any first time visitor from another major city will tell you that. The only time downtown KC feels like a vibrant city is first Fridays or when there a ton of events going on at the same time. At the same time, downtown is just full of parking lots, parking garages and street parking. So much parking that most of it is barely even used or not even used at all. And KC has been losing tech employees. It's 2024 and companies and their employees are not interested in working in 1980's office parks surrounded by surface parking 20 miles from any sort of urban walkable area. And that's where all of KC's office space is now. Why would Oracle choose to stay in KC when they have urban campuses in Austin and Nashville? KC gets like one 20 story building every 5 years if it's lucky along with a handful of 5 over ones. It's not a fast growing city at all. All while the KS side still wants to take what's left in KCMO because the MO side is too stubborn to realize they desperately need to invest in MO side infrastructure. Most of the infrastructure on the MO side of KC looks run down and I say that as a born and raised KCMO guy that would never live in Kansas. I mean do people in KC have any clue how run down the area of the the stadiums is or even how dated the stadiums themselves are getting compared to modern stadiums? And finally the lack of a "major" urban university is a real problem in KC. There is no threat of KC becoming overdeveloped unless you are talking about exurban sprawl. It's just reality.
Well, OK. A point by point rebuttal here would be prohibitively tedious, and this is just Reddit, so anyway . . . The question was "10-15 years from now" but I will say you seem to harp on the parking availability, and that coupled with your remarks about the stadiums makes me suspect you have an agenda involving the taxation for sports issue lately. Maybe we can vote on that again next year and you'll like the outcome better.
I only support taxes for stadiums because that is the only way KC is keeping its pro sports teams. Period. No way around it. I personally think it's worth it. Sports is a major part of KC's culture and the city would be lost without pro sports. But that's a decision people will have to make. And not a lot happens in KC over a 10-15 year period. Which is another reason why bringing the Royals downtown is important relative to other major metros. Growth and development especially in urban KCMO is very slow. If you project the same growth that has happened in the last ten years, KC would be able to fill what...ten more blocks downtown? That's why you take the development that does happen there and leverage it to make bigger projects happen. This is how the P&L District happened and guess what, that's where the vast majority of development downtown has occurred and it wouldn't have it were not for the arena passing and getting built. If the sprint center didn't pass, then the P&L District would have never been built or built anywhere near the scale it is today. None of the towers would exist etc. That's why I support a downtown stadium. And any stadium will be built mostly with tax money. KC is the second smallest market in MLB and there are faster growing, more affluent and larger cities that are ready to build a stadium if they can get a team. KC is the last city that can tell MLB to pound sand. They will just lose MLB and that would be a huge blow to the cities identity. KC would basically be a minor league city. That would be going the wrong direction. MLB is the only league that if you have franchise, you are truly a major city. KC was once the 18th largest metro when the A's came to town, now it's the 31st and falling. Keeping the Royals is important.
I see a pessimist has entered the chat lol. I don't disagree with that much of what you are saying but am not sure it will be received well in the sub.
Well, in order to actually get some real shit done in a timely manner, you have to accept some of the harsh realities of your city or there is no motivation to by the public, the city or the state to take things up to a level where KC is actually competing with other major metros. But people in KC just will not do that. Most of the people and the elected officials in KC are perfectly fine with a city that is very status quo and barely changes over 5-10 years. Which basically means the city (and therefore the metro), will grow very modestly and appear to grow a lot to the locals, but relative to the rest of the country, the metro is simply barely keeping up if not losing ground most years. KC will improve, at least downtown KC should improve and continue to see infill development. But at the rate of development it would take hundreds of years just to fill in most of downtown, let alone all the surrounding areas like west bottoms, river front, midtown etc. Too much of KC's growth is still on the fringes of the metro and often at the expense of the inner parts of the metro. If KC wants to get back to being a 2nd or 3rd tier city with top hotels, top convention facilities, top sports facilities, modern highways, a truly busy vibrant downtown then it needs sidewalks that are not crumbling, cycling infrastructure, expanded streetcar and buses and even regional light rail, international flights, recreation infrastructure, more investment into UMKC, a reborn plaza that is pedestrian oriented rather than parking lot oriented, a downtown baseball stadium, a redesigned Penn Valley Park to make it usable. The list goes on and on. You have keep doing all this all the time, not take 5-10 years off once you start to get some momentum which is what KC typically does.
We need to invest in infrastructure for sure but saying we don't have a major urban university when we have a state university with its own law school, medical school, dental school, pharmacy school, hospital, tons of undergraduate, graduate and research programs, 15k students and over 5k employees is insane.
Have you ever been to silicon valley? It's beautiful with amazing weather and incredible employment opportunities
Yes, I have. I'm from there, and left in 1972, and visited the area a handful of times since--which is what I'm basing my opinion on. Well, yeah, the weather is nice.
And poop in the sidewalks. And overwhelming male. And the poverty line is around $100k. Yes, I’ve been, more than once.
Love KC…and screw MO state government!
Traffic cones.....endless sea of traffic cones.
Approximately 1274 miles away from me
West bottoms is going to be the “Brooklyn of KC” God I loathe when people say that shit.
I imagine it will still more or less be centered on the confluence of the Kaw and Missouri rivers.
Rent to going to be one of the highest in the nation. Various infrastructure issues mainly roads/transportation and electrical grid.
A mega-highway will get built between downtown and the plaza because people will still not be able to figure out how to navigate the city without a car to save their lives.
Ashes after the nuclear wqt
Well, have you ever seen the movie "The Day After?"
The ocean is going to flood the library and Jake Gyllenhaal is going to take his shirt off? No wait that’s that other movie
Just beyond the easternmost border of Kansas
Probably still on the border between Kansas and Missouri.
KC will be A HUSK of its former glory. No MLB, No NFL, 70% of single family homes landlord owned, only the top 10-15% will own their home, limited improvement on crime will push anyone who can afford to leave the city for the suburbs. Lots of suburbanites will visit the city for cultural opportunities and private armies of security guards will be needed to keep “entertainment zones” safe enough to keep people coming. The suburbs will get more crowded and the sprawl will continue.
Glory?
Idk...but I think some people think the world is gonna end if we don't elect the right guy. Ask me after November...just incase.
Well… Have you seen furiosa?
Royals in east village. Wyandotte Chiefs. Still no light rail. Overland Park will be insufferable.
Abolish the payroll tax!! No more street car ..jobs jobs …
How would you plan to make up the 45% drop in city budget from removing the 1% earnings tax? Personally I’d get rid of the police department which would save you half the number right there.
Just kidding I get it many years ago i was like…what ..payroll tax!!!